Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Linda Orkin]

Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson 
wrote:

> Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>
>> It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
>> Wouldn't you want the same done for you?
>>
>> Linda Orkin
>> Ithaca,  NY
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of
>>> their normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and
>>> return home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we
>>> should stand back and let nature take its course and not get directly
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Will Raup
>>> Glenmont, NY
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>>> From: peter.co...@gmail.com
>>> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
>>> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com;
>>> NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> Good discussion,
>>>
>>> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
>>> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
>>> good bugs in this weather.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
>>> of emergency. Birds get sick fast.
>>>
>>> From one who lived with birds, Peter
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:
>>>
>>> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
>>> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
>>> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
>>> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
>>> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
>>> energy).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
>>> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
>>> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
>>> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
>>> traditional overwintering sites.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
>>> bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh
>>> McGuinness
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
>>> *To:* Orhan Birol
>>> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
>>> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
>>> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
>>> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
>>> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday I observed both.
>>>
>>> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>>>
>>> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
>>> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
>>> the cold.
>>>
>>> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
>>> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>>>
>>> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Orhan Birol
>>>
>>> Shelter Island
>>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Linda Orkin]

It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
Wouldn't you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup  wrote:

>
> Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
> normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
> home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
> back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.
>
> Will Raup
> Glenmont, NY
>
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
> From: peter.co...@gmail.com
> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
>
>
> Good discussion,
>
> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
> good bugs in this weather.
>
> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
> of emergency. Birds get sick fast.
>
> From one who lived with birds, Peter
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:
>
> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>
>
>
> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
> energy).
>
>
>
> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
> traditional overwintering sites.)
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
> *To:* Orhan Birol
> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>
>
>
> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
> wrote:
>
> On Sunday I observed both.
>
> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>
> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
> the cold.
>
> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>
> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Orhan Birol
>
> Shelter Island
>
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[nysbirds-l] Final reminder, and deadlines have changed. OT:New York State Ornithological Association Annual meeting in Ithaca....register soon!

[Linda Orkin]

Come one, come all! The Cayuga Bird Club hosts the New York State
Ornithological Association’s annual meeting this year the weekend of
September 19 through September 21.  Registration is in full swing and we
are excited to have people coming from all around New York State to
participate in this.  We are looking forward to seeing friends old and new
from far and wide.


The Friday night reception will be held at the Cornell Laboratory of
Ornithology from 6-9 PM. We thank Melissa Walker for working along with us
to make this happen.  There will be “heavy” hors d’oeuvres provided by
Cornell Catering, along with a wine and beer cash bar.  Two presentations
will be offered:  *All About Bird Biology *given by Mya Thompson , the
author of this  newly launched web resource, and a recently produced film
called *Inside the Lab*  (which is not currently available to the general
public). Guests can join either of two tours of the employee areas of the
Lab. The innovative sound ring, a wooden soundscape sculpture by Maya Lin,
part of her “What is missing?” series dealing with extinctions, will be
turned on for all to hear and experience.  And the wonderful new mural of
bird silhouettes, a tribute to Roger Tory Peterson and his first field
guide, will captivate our visitors who will have a check list to challenge
their ID acumen.

Bob McGuire has organized many wonderful field trips to some of our local
hot spots, and you can select the ones which may interest you.

Saturday at the Ramada will see a series of interesting paper presentations
from 1:30 to 5, with topics ranging from *The Hidden World of Bird Language*
to *Earlier Arrival Dates of Spring Migrants*, to *Piping Plover Recovery*
in NYS and many more.  There will be posters on display, and of course, the
NYSOA delegates business meeting in the morning.  A silent auction will be
ongoing throughout the day.

The banquet Saturday night at the Ramada will be buffet style, with a cash
cocktail reception preceding this.  Announcements of award winners will be
followed by our keynote speaker. We are very excited to be presenting Dr.
Bridget Stutchbury, who will talk about her groundbreaking research and
whose talk is titled *Frequent Fliers: New Discoveries in Bird Migration*.  For
those who may not know Dr. Stutchbury, you still have time to read her
three great books  written for general audiences*: Silence of the
Songbirds, Bird Detective, and most recently, The Private Lives of Birds: A
Scientist Reveals the Intricacies of Avian Social Life.*

Doesn’t this sound like a must-attend weekend?  We hope you agree! Go to
*Cayugabirdclub.org* to register and for more information.  *And please
note,  if you are registering and choosing banquet or reception, the
deadline for this is has been changed to September 11 so that we are able
to submit final numbers by September 12. *


Contact me if you need any additional information.


Best regards,

Linda Orkin

Ithaca, NY


-- 
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this evil, what is the good
of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...




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of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...




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[nysbirds-l] Reminder, and deadlines approaching.: OT:New York State Ornithological Association Annual meeting in Ithaca....register soon!

[Linda Orkin]

---

Come one, come all! The Cayuga Bird Club hosts the New York State
Ornithological Association’s annual meeting this year the weekend of
September 19 through September 21.  Registration is in full swing and we
are excited to have people coming from all around New York State to
participate in this.  We are looking forward to seeing friends old and new
from far and wide.


The Friday night reception will be held at the Cornell Laboratory of
Ornithology from 6-9 PM. We thank Melissa Walker for working along with us
to make this happen.  There will be “heavy” hors d’oeuvres provided by
Cornell Catering, along with a wine and beer cash bar.  Two presentations
will be offered:  *All About Bird Biology *given by Mya Thompson , the
author of this  newly launched web resource, and a recently produced film
called *Inside the Lab*  (which is not currently available to the general
public). Guests can join either of two tours of the employee areas of the
Lab. The innovative sound ring, a wooden soundscape sculpture by Maya Lin,
part of her “What is missing?” series dealing with extinctions, will be
turned on for all to hear and experience.  And the wonderful new mural of
bird silhouettes, a tribute to Roger Tory Peterson and his first field
guide, will captivate our visitors who will have a check list to challenge
their ID acumen.

Bob McGuire has organized many wonderful field trips to some of our local
hot spots, and you can select the ones which may interest you.

Saturday at the Ramada will see a series of interesting paper presentations
from 1:30 to 5, with topics ranging from *The Hidden World of Bird Language*
to *Earlier Arrival Dates of Spring Migrants*, to *Piping Plover Recovery*
in NYS and many more.  There will be posters on display, and of course, the
NYSOA delegates business meeting in the morning.  A silent auction will be
ongoing throughout the day.

The banquet Saturday night at the Ramada will be buffet style, with a cash
cocktail reception preceding this.  Announcements of award winners will be
followed by our keynote speaker. We are very excited to be presenting Dr.
Bridget Stutchbury, who will talk about her groundbreaking research and
whose talk is titled *Frequent Fliers: New Discoveries in Bird Migration*.  For
those who may not know Dr. Stutchbury, you still have time to read her
three great books  written for general audiences*: Silence of the
Songbirds, Bird Detective, and most recently, The Private Lives of Birds: A
Scientist Reveals the Intricacies of Avian Social Life.*

Doesn’t this sound like a must-attend weekend?  We hope you agree! Go to
*Cayugabirdclub.org* to register and for more information.  And please note,
if you are registering and choosing banquet or reception, the deadline for
this is Sept. 12.


Contact me if you need any additional information.


Best regards,

Linda Orkin

Ithaca, NY


-- 
If you permit
this evil, what is the good
of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...




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this evil, what is the good
of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...




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Re:[nysbirds-l] OT:New York State Ornithological Association Annual meeting in Ithaca....register soon!

[Linda Orkin]

Correction. Please read "high energy" as "GOOD energy" after some concerned 
inquiries from leaders who don't want to be running while birding. 

Linda

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Linda Orkin  wrote:

> 
> 
> Come one, come all! The Cayuga Bird Club hosts the New York State 
> Ornithological Association’s annual meeting this year the weekend of 
> September 19 through September 21.  Registration is in full swing and we are 
> excited to have people coming from all around New York State to participate 
> in this.  We are looking forward to seeing friends old and new from far and 
> wide.
> 
> 
> 
> The Friday night reception will be held at the Cornell Laboratory of 
> Ornithology from 6-9 PM. We thank Melissa Walker for working along with us to 
> make this happen.  There will be “heavy” hors d’oeuvres provided by Cornell 
> Catering, along with a wine and beer cash bar.  Two presentations will be 
> offered:  All About Bird Biology given by Mya Thompson , the author of this  
> newly launched web resource, and a recently produced film called Inside the 
> Lab  (which is not currently available to the general public). Guests can 
> join either of two tours of the employee areas of the Lab. The innovative 
> sound ring, a wooden soundscape sculpture by Mya Lin, part of her “What is 
> missing?” series dealing with extinctions, will be turned on for all to hear 
> and experience.  And the wonderful new mural of bird silhouettes, a tribute 
> to Roger Tory Peterson and his first field guide, will captivate our visitors 
> who will have a check list to challenge their ID acumen. 
> 
> Bob McGuire has organized many wonderful field trips and you can select the 
> ones which may interest you.  These will be high energy walks to many of our 
> favorite hot spots. 
> 
> Saturday at the Ramada will see a series of interesting paper presentations 
> from 1:30 to 5, with topics ranging from The Hidden World of Bird Language to 
> Earlier Arrival Dates of Spring Migrants, to Piping Plover Recovery in NYS 
> and many more.  There will be posters on display, and of course, the NYSOA 
> delegates business meeting in the morning.  A silent auction will be ongoing 
> throughout the day. 
> 
> The banquet Saturday night at the Ramada will be buffet style, with a cash 
> cocktail reception preceding this.  Announcements of award winners will be 
> followed by our keynote speaker. We are very excited to be presenting Dr. 
> Bridget Stutchbury, who will talk about her groundbreaking research and whose 
> talk is titled Frequent Fliers: New Discoveries in Bird Migration.  For those 
> who may not know Dr. Stutchbury, you still have time to read her three great 
> books  written for general audiences: Silence of the Songbirds, Bird 
> Detective, and most recently, The Private Lives of Birds: A Scientist Reveals 
> the Intricacies of Avian Social Life.
> 
> Doesn’t this sound like a must-attend weekend?  We hope you agree! Go to 
> Cayugabirdclub.org to register and for more information.  And please note,  
> if you are registering and choosing banquet or reception, the deadline for 
> this is Sept. 12.  
> 
> 
> 
> Contact me if you need any additional information.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Linda Orkin
> 
> Ithaca, NY
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you permit 
> this evil, what is the good
> of the good of your life?
> 
> -Stanley Kunitz...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you permit 
> this evil, what is the good
> of the good of your life?
> 
> -Stanley Kunitz...
> 

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[nysbirds-l] OT:New York State Ornithological Association Annual meeting in Ithaca....register soon!

[Linda Orkin]

Come one, come all! The Cayuga Bird Club hosts the New York State
Ornithological Association’s annual meeting this year the weekend of
September 19 through September 21.  Registration is in full swing and we
are excited to have people coming from all around New York State to
participate in this.  We are looking forward to seeing friends old and new
from far and wide.


The Friday night reception will be held at the Cornell Laboratory of
Ornithology from 6-9 PM. We thank Melissa Walker for working along with us
to make this happen.  There will be “heavy” hors d’oeuvres provided by
Cornell Catering, along with a wine and beer cash bar.  Two presentations
will be offered:  *All About Bird Biology *given by Mya Thompson , the
author of this  newly launched web resource, and a recently produced film
called *Inside the Lab*  (which is not currently available to the general
public). Guests can join either of two tours of the employee areas of the
Lab. The innovative sound ring, a wooden soundscape sculpture by Mya Lin,
part of her “What is missing?” series dealing with extinctions, will be
turned on for all to hear and experience.  And the wonderful new mural of
bird silhouettes, a tribute to Roger Tory Peterson and his first field
guide, will captivate our visitors who will have a check list to challenge
their ID acumen.

Bob McGuire has organized many wonderful field trips and you can select the
ones which may interest you.  These will be high energy walks to many of
our favorite hot spots.

Saturday at the Ramada will see a series of interesting paper presentations
from 1:30 to 5, with topics ranging from *The Hidden World of Bird Language*
to *Earlier Arrival Dates of Spring Migrants*, to *Piping Plover Recovery*
in NYS and many more.  There will be posters on display, and of course, the
NYSOA delegates business meeting in the morning.  A silent auction will be
ongoing throughout the day.

The banquet Saturday night at the Ramada will be buffet style, with a cash
cocktail reception preceding this.  Announcements of award winners will be
followed by our keynote speaker. We are very excited to be presenting Dr.
Bridget Stutchbury, who will talk about her groundbreaking research and
whose talk is titled *Frequent Fliers: New Discoveries in Bird Migration*.  For
those who may not know Dr. Stutchbury, you still have time to read her
three great books  written for general audiences*: Silence of the
Songbirds, Bird Detective, and most recently, The Private Lives of Birds: A
Scientist Reveals the Intricacies of Avian Social Life.*

Doesn’t this sound like a must-attend weekend?  We hope you agree! Go to
*Cayugabirdclub.org* to register and for more information.  And please note,
if you are registering and choosing banquet or reception, the deadline for
this is Sept. 12.


Contact me if you need any additional information.


Best regards,

Linda Orkin

Ithaca, NY


-- 
If you permit
this evil, what is the good
of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...




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Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release

[Linda Orkin]

The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say
that the NYC DEC says this is legal.  Why would anyone stop reading after
that?  The senator refers only to NYS.

Linda


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup  wrote:

> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it
> will be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State
> DEC, otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just
> view this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going on
> north of New York City.
>
> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that
> particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their
> advantage.
>
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
>
>
> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stella
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
> holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
> to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
> people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
> Lovejoy
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

[Linda Orkin]

Go to this link to see the successful result of comments against another
shoot scheduled by Ducks Unltd.  I took the relevant part out of it, the
letter response and put it as a message on the Rod and gun club facebook
page.

http://exposingthebiggame.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/victory-ducks-unlimited-2000-bird-pigeon-shoot-cancelled/

It can be done.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY




On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Larry Trachtenberg <
trachtenb...@amsllp.com> wrote:

>  As a hunter, I'm surprised you'd quote "Glorified G" which is an
> anti-gun song, really poking fun at gun enthusiasts, don't you think.
>
> As an aside, and not to turn it into a song writing thread, I certainly
> prefer seeing Pearl Jam lyrics to Nas lyrics on this site anytime.
>
> I don't think I can add to the crow shoot comments anything that has not
> already been said.
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry Trachtenberg
>
> Ossining
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-113372021-10490...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-113372021-10490...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *John Cancalosi
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:12 PM
> *To:* Arie Gilbert
> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
>
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
>
>
>
> I don't have time to read through all these comments so as not to repeat,
> but I don't think that anyone has used the obvious description of these
> events as a "MURDER OF CROWS"!
>
>
>
> I am a hunter and have defended hunting to a number of birdwatchers
> recently. Im my opinion what we have here is no more hunting than
> bull-fighting is sport. Let them eat crow!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Arie Gilbert 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *got a gun, fact I've got two, that's okay man cause I love god, glorified
> version of a pellet gun, fell so manly, when armed...  *(Pearl Jam)
>
> Arie Gilbert
> North Babylon, NY
>
> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org
>
>
>
>  On 3/19/2014 6:50 AM, Patricia Aitken wrote:
>
>  According to their facebook page, they also had a Squirrel Skramble, to
> see who could shoot the most squirrels.  It seems like stopping these hunts
> would have to be done by changing the law, as competitive hunting is part
> of their club's culture.
>
> Best,
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:55 AM,  wrote:
>
>  I totally agree with Rich. It was a posthaste attempt to justify the
> unjustifyable.
>
> To proceed in trying to stop this we need to determine if the ability to
> shoot crows is rooted in NY En Con Law or if it stems from federal
> law...
>
>
>
> John Turner
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard
> Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
> To: Stella Miller
> Cc: Rick & Linda Kedenburg , Larry Federman , Jonathan Perez , Lynne
> Hertzog , Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L , Jim Osterlund
>
> > My guess is that nobody will consume any American Crow, Fish
> > Crow, or Raven unless one or two do so to "justify" the killing
> > now that it's been put out there. Nobody should believe that was
> > their original intention. It was just to shoot to wound or kill -
> > plain and simple. I've seen crippled crows impaired on trees or
> > flopping on ice to lure more into range. This is not
> > subsistence hunting - it's wonton killing.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > Sent from my wireless tin can
> >
> > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 11:21, Stella Miller
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Is he really confirming that they will be eating these birds?
> > Sounds as though he is putting it out there that they CAN be
> > eaten, not necessarily that they will be sitting down to a feast
> > of Crow Pot Pie.
> > >
> > > Stella
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything
> > cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people.
> > It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice
> > is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an
> > impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
> > > From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg
> > > To: Larry Federman
> > > Cc: Jonathan Perez ; Richard
> > ; Lynne Hertzog
> > ; Cesar Castillo ;
> > NYSBIRDS-L ; Jim Osterlund
> >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
> &g

Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

[Linda Orkin]

That is really  quite an appalling notice, hopefully the crows are smart
enough to stay away.  I messaged the rod and gun club on their FB page
since there is no other way to post or comment.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Stella Miller
wrote:

> By the way, the Club took down the Crow Down announcements on their FB
> page.  A few of us had already made comments.
>
> Attached is the announcement for those of you that have not seen it.
>
> Stella
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
> holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
> to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
> people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
> Lovejoy
>   --
>  *From:* Richard 
> *To:* Jonathan Perez 
> *Cc:* Lynne Hertzog ; Cesar Castillo <
> czar3...@yahoo.com>; NYSBIRDS-L ; Jim Osterlund <
> james...@optonline.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 7:34 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
>
> The congressman is actually Peter Lopez. But I think this is a rule
> generated or regulated at the state level.
>
> Sent from my wireless tin can
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:56, Jonathan Perez 
> wrote:
>
> I am no longer in the metro area, but still a member of the list.  As I am
> in DC, I usually think of who is the representative.
> Paul Tonko, a Congressional Democrat in the House represents Palenville.
>
> Here is his contact from a general Google search.
> http://tonko.house.gov/contact-me/
>
> Hope that helps! This is inhumane, indeed.
>
> -Jonathan
>
> Jonathan A. Perez
>
> J.D. Candidate
> American University Washington College of Law, 2015
> M.A., University of Virginia, 2008
> B.A., Bowdoin College 2005
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Lynne Hertzog wrote:
>
> Here is the page from the DEC on crow shooting.
> Doesn't seem right, shooting crows, at any time of year.
> http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/65847.html
> Lynne Hertzog
> On Mar 16, 2014 11:22 PM, "Cesar Castillo"  wrote:
>
> Is this just for sport, or is there a valid reason for this?
> This reminds me of
> The Birds of Killingworth by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>
>
>   On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:46 PM, Jim Osterlund <
> james...@optonline.net> wrote:
>  There aren't usually organized shoots, but you can "hunt" Corvids in
> Suffolk County 4 days a week for half the year -- September through March.
>  They make no distinction of species, so I suppose our feeble return of
> *Corvus* *corax*  only adds targets.
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Port Authority backs off Snowy Owl killings

[Linda Orkin]

I didn't see this go to Cayugabirds so I am resending. This is great news and I 
am proud of us all!!  

Linda Orkin 
Ithaca, NY

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Christina Wilkinson  wrote:

> Looks like the activism worked:
>  
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> December 9, 2013
> 
> CONTACT: Port Authority of New York and New Jersey
> 212-435-
> 
> STATEMENT FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY ON SNOWY OWLS
> 
> “The Port Authority is working with the New York State Department of 
> Environmental Conservation to move immediately toward implementing a program 
> to trap and relocate snowy owls that pose a threat to aircraft at JFK and 
> LaGuardia airports. The Port Authority’s goal is to strike a balance in 
> humanely controlling bird populations at and around the agency’s airports to 
> safeguard passengers on thousands of aircrafts each day. Over the past two 
> weeks, five planes at JFK, Newark Liberty and LaGuardia airports were struck 
> by snowy owls that have been migrating to our region in far higher than 
> typical numbers this year.” 
> 
> Great work, everyone!
>  
> Christina
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Go directly to the Inspector General of panynj to protect Snowy Owls

[Linda Orkin]

Another email to use. Let's increase the pressure and stop this insane 
solution. 

See Rick Kefenburg's email below. 

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, ny

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Rick & Linda Kedenburg  
wrote:

> Hi All, I found this address on the PA website. Maybe people can get more 
> done directly through the PA inspector general's office than the regular 
> contact protocol on their website.
> Rick
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg 
>> Date: December 9, 2013 5:24:31 PM EST
>> To: inspectorgene...@panynj.gov
>> Subject: Wasting taxpayers money
>> 
>> Dear Inspector General,
>> 
>> This is a travesty and the people authorizing this at the PA are 
>> misinformed. Snowy Owls are loners do not fly in flocks and when they 
>> migrate it is individually at low levels. Wake up PA they are no threat to 
>> aircraft!
>> 
>> Stop wasting our money it does nothing for safety and is like stealing money 
>> from the taxpayers while violating common decency.
>> 
> Rick Kedenburg
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Port Authority 'wildlife specialists' hunt snowy owls at New York City's 
> airports
> 
> Whooodunit? Snowy owls, apparently. After one was sucked into an airplane 
> turbine, the species has been added to a list of birds that 'wildlife 
> specialists' kill to protect planes from bird strikes.
> 
> Comments (32)
> BY THOMAS TRACY , EDGAR SANDOVAL AND TINA MOORE / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
> 
> MONDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2013, 2:25 AM
>> 
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Resources to use in contacting wildlife agencies and elected officials re: Snowy Owl Killings...

[Linda Orkin]

Thanks Andrew. I have sent this to Cayuga birds also. 

All see below. 

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, ny

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On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> I have compiled from all the e-mails sent on the subject of the killing of 
> Snowy Owls at JFK, a list of the resources a number of you submitted.  The 
> list can be accessed here 
> http://birdingdude.blogspot.com/2013/12/nyc-kills-snowy-owls-while-boston-saves.html
> 
> This way, it is easier than wading through e-mail threads.  It covers phone 
> numbers to the online petition link.  If anyone has any other resources to 
> add, please e-mail me and I will add it to the list.
> 
> Also, if anyone has already penned a letter to the Governor and would be 
> willing to share their format as a template, I would gladly add it.  This 
> will help those who are too busy to craft one themselves.
> 
> Keep up the pressure y'all!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Andrew Baksh
> Queens, NY
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[nysbirds-l] Petition about Snowy Owl killings

[Linda Orkin]

Hey All,

The American Bird Conservancy just alerted people to this petition that is
circulating.  For those of you who may not have time or inclination to make
phone calls.

http://www.change.org/petitions/the-port-authority-of-new-york-and-new-jersey-stop-shooting-snowy-owls-at-new-york-metro-area-airports-2?share_id=pSTiVqbmWU&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

Thanks.

Linda Orkin
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at JFK

[Linda Orkin]

Thanks so much Alicia, I just called Barbara Lifton's office.  The woman I
spoke with had just read an article this morning (Ithaca Journal?) about
these owls and their arrival so was at least informed as to the underlying
information. She is going to check out who to contact and get back to me.

I did emphasize that we were looking for humane solutions to this "problem"
and that other airports seemed to do just fine with trap and release.  I
also said a Snowy that is trapped and released will not be looking to
return to that airport but would be happen in many wide open farm fields
and refuges.

I will let everyone know what I learn. I feel this can't wait.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Linda,
>
> I can't send messages to the list from webmail, which is all I can
> access from work, but if you or someone else called Assemblywoman Lifton's
> office, I am *sure* you could (1) get contact fax info &/or email
> addresses for the proper supervising agency or agencies, so protests could
> go directly to the agencies and not be delayed by the Governor's office
> (and BTW, I am not at all sure the DEC *is* the correct agency); and (2)
> might get Assemblywoman Lifton's staff to make some independent inquiries
> of those agencies, which could have definite and quick impact on the policy
> since funding decision for agencies go through the legislature.  The object
> is to make noise, lots of noise, not to actually change anyone's idea of
> what they think would be best ...
>
>  Also, all comments should emphasize this isn't a birds vs.people
> issue, that there are ways to fully protect both - again, not to persuade
> the agency, but just so they can't frame it as crazy birders ignorant of
> public safety issues.
>
>  Best -
>
>Alicia
>
> P.S.  People should cc the governor's office AND Assemblywoman Lifton on
> anything sent to any agencies!
>
> P.P.S.  Ideally, you also want to send messages to the chairperson of
> whatever committee supervises the particular agency - again, the
> Assemblywoman's office can give you that information.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From:
> Linda Orkin 
>
> To:
> "Betsy Russell" , "nysbirds-l" <
> NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>
> Cc:
> , "CAYUGABIRDS-L" 
> Sent:
> Mon, 9 Dec 2013 12:43:00 -0500
>
> Subject:
> Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at JFK
>
>
> Thanks Betsy for this information. I think it is horrendous that such a
> time sensitive and destructive issue can only be addressed by snail mail in
> this day and age. I am doing as you suggest, but still urge all to flood
> Cuomo's office with phone calls.  (518) 474-8390
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Betsy Russell 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I did call the NYC phone # given this morning in order to register my
>> sentiments re: Snowy Owls being shot at JFK.  The call was routed to Albany
>> where is was kindly and carefully explained to me that this issue needs to
>> be addressed by the public in writing, hard copy, snail mail if it is ever
>> going to reach the agency (DEC) that will most likely address it.  The
>> woman said that one should also request a reply with contact info. so that
>> you can follow up if you want to.
>>
>> I asked about e-mailing and the woman said the way the system worked in
>> Albany it should only be hard copy. They scan them into their system and
>> then send all letters regarding a particular issue on the the agency that
>> will most likely address it. She explained if it is not done by hard copy
>> your complaints will enter a big black hole.  For what it's
>> worth...this is the address I was given.
>>
>>
>> New York State Govenor's Correspondence Unit
>> 1 Commerce Plaza
>> 99 Washington Ave.
>> Albany, NY 12231
>>
>> Betsy Russell
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Glenn Wilson 
>> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 12:09 pm
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at
>> JFK
>>
>> Speaking of bird control, it is going to the dogs. grin (And this is
>> probably the wrong forum to talk about goose for the holiday.)
>> www.birdstrikecontrol.com/bcs.html - Border Collies are now the
>> fastest-growing and most popular form of bird control on airports, military
>> airbases, golf courses and other venues across the country. Links 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at JFK

[Linda Orkin]

Yes, I called too and chose option 3, to speak with an assistant. She asked
me if there was a bill number, I said no, I'm calling to register extreme
displeasure. She took my zip code.  I will try some other methods also
suggested to me.

Linda


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM, steve rosenthal  wrote:

> i called the number and if you wait for option 3 (speak to an
> assistant) you can leave a polite message with a real live person, as
> i did.  whether of course that has any impact is to be seen.
>
> On 12/9/13, Linda Orkin  wrote:
> > Thanks Betsy for this information. I think it is horrendous that such a
> > time sensitive and destructive issue can only be addressed by snail mail
> in
> > this day and age. I am doing as you suggest, but still urge all to flood
> > Cuomo's office with phone calls.  (518) 474-8390
> >
> > Linda Orkin
> > Ithaca, NY
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Betsy Russell
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I did call the NYC phone # given this morning in order to register my
> >> sentiments re: Snowy Owls being shot at JFK.  The call was routed to
> >> Albany
> >> where is was kindly and carefully explained to me that this issue needs
> >> to
> >> be addressed by the public in writing, hard copy, snail mail if it is
> >> ever
> >> going to reach the agency (DEC) that will most likely address it.  The
> >> woman said that one should also request a reply with contact info. so
> >> that
> >> you can follow up if you want to.
> >>
> >> I asked about e-mailing and the woman said the way the system worked in
> >> Albany it should only be hard copy. They scan them into their system and
> >> then send all letters regarding a particular issue on the the agency
> that
> >> will most likely address it. She explained if it is not done by hard
> copy
> >> your complaints will enter a big black hole.  For what it's
> >> worththis is the address I was given.
> >>
> >> New York State Govenor's Correspondence Unit
> >> 1 Commerce Plaza
> >> 99 Washington Ave.
> >> Albany, NY 12231
> >>
> >> Betsy Russell
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  -Original Message-
> >> From: Glenn Wilson 
> >> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> >> Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 12:09 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at
> >> JFK
> >>
> >>  Speaking of bird control, it is going to the dogs. grin
> >> (And this is probably the wrong forum to talk about goose for the
> >> holiday.)
> >> www.birdstrikecontrol.com/bcs.html - Border Collies are now the
> >> fastest-growing
> >> and most popular form of bird control on airports, military airbases,
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at JFK

[Linda Orkin]

Thanks Betsy for this information. I think it is horrendous that such a
time sensitive and destructive issue can only be addressed by snail mail in
this day and age. I am doing as you suggest, but still urge all to flood
Cuomo's office with phone calls.  (518) 474-8390

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Betsy Russell wrote:

> I did call the NYC phone # given this morning in order to register my
> sentiments re: Snowy Owls being shot at JFK.  The call was routed to Albany
> where is was kindly and carefully explained to me that this issue needs to
> be addressed by the public in writing, hard copy, snail mail if it is ever
> going to reach the agency (DEC) that will most likely address it.  The
> woman said that one should also request a reply with contact info. so that
> you can follow up if you want to.
>
> I asked about e-mailing and the woman said the way the system worked in
> Albany it should only be hard copy. They scan them into their system and
> then send all letters regarding a particular issue on the the agency that
> will most likely address it. She explained if it is not done by hard copy
> your complaints will enter a big black hole.  For what it's
> worththis is the address I was given.
>
> New York State Govenor's Correspondence Unit
> 1 Commerce Plaza
> 99 Washington Ave.
> Albany, NY 12231
>
> Betsy Russell
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Glenn Wilson 
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 12:09 pm
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at JFK
>
>  Speaking of bird control, it is going to the dogs. grin
> (And this is probably the wrong forum to talk about goose for the holiday.)
> www.birdstrikecontrol.com/bcs.html - Border Collies are now the 
> fastest-growing
> and most popular form of bird control on airports, military airbases, golf
> courses and other venues across the country.
>
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> digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=icwdm_wdmconfproc
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> Geese
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Bird Listening Devices for the Home

[Linda Orkin]

It would be good for me at least if responses went to all. I am also 
interested. 

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

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On Mar 22, 2013, at 9:15 AM, "Willie D'Anna and Betsy Potter" 
 wrote:

> We have a baby monitor for listening to the birds from inside the house.  
> Recently, the baby part (that is, the microphone), fell off of our deck and 
> the system no longer works.  We get a lot of enjoyment from this so we want 
> to replace it.  The system is wireless, with the microphone outside and the 
> speakers inside.  The quality is decent but not great – the microphone does 
> not pick up higher frequency songs and calls very well, for instance. 
>  
> I was hoping others on this list might be able to offer some options and/or 
> recommendations.  The wireless feature of our device is very convenient, as 
> we can just carry the speaker to any part of the house where we will be 
> spending some time.  However, I wondered if a wired device might have better 
> quality.  Does anyone have experience with the latter?
>  
> Any thoughts and suggestions on this subject would be most appreciated.
>  
> Good birding!
> Willie
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Trumpeter Yaphank

[Linda Orkin]

She perhaps knows already but I'm sure appreciates your presence. Convey all of 
our regrets for human cruelty. 

Linda Orkin

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> widowed swan on the Yaphank lake. 
> Peter Priolo
> Ctr. Moriches
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Re:[nysbirds-l] [cayugabirds-l] OT: Guide to Birding in the Cayuga Lake Basin article

[Linda Orkin]

  This conversation has really piqued my interest in reading some solid
data so I am going to look carefully at the Second NYS Breeding Bird Atlas.
The data can be accessed on line here

http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7312.html

for anyone who wants to fill in the gaps on their own observations.

Thanks to all who have responded.  I appreciate your input and I know Sue
does also.

Best
Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY



This is a subject

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:12 PM,  wrote:

> I'm sure the experts know more than I do, but in 35 years, I have seen:
>
> new to our area: Carolina Wren, House Finch, Raven, fish Crow and even TVs,
> Sandhill Cranes. Migrating: Trumpet & Tundra Swans.
>
> Far greater #: Canada Geese, in migration: Snow Geese.
>
> Fewer in our area: Brown Thrasher, Blackburnian Warbler, Chimney Swift,
> Nighthawk, Golden-winged W, as well as Blue-winged W, Barn Owl, Martin.
>
> Returned through human effort: Peregrine.
>
> I'm sure those more knowledgeable than I will fill in my gaps & correct
> any mistakes.
>
> Sarah Fern
>
>  Linda Orkin  wrote:
> > For those who may be interested, Sue Heavenrich has written an article
> > about this Guide and it appears in this week's Tompkins County Weekly.  A
> > good overview of the book. Here is a link to the pdf page.
> >
> > http://www.tompkinshosting.com/tompkinsweekly/TompkinsWeekly120409.pdf
> >
> > Also, she had emailed me with the following request which I forward in
> the
> > event that someone may wish to help her with this. I am reluctant to just
> > give out names of people to her without some expression of interest
> > beforehand. If anyone does want to take this on, please email me and I
> will
> > put you in touch with her.
> >
> >
> > Now I have another question for you - or maybe I already asked it & we
> > didn't have time to explore:
> > Does anyone in the club have bird count numbers or data that might show
> > whether/how bird populations have changed over past 35 years? Am working
> on
> > something re: climate change & bird range expansion or northward
> > expansion
> > ~Sue
> >
> > Thanks in advance if  you can help out.
> >
> > LInda Orkin
> > Ithaca, NY
> >
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Re: [nysbirds-l] OT: Guide to Birding in the Cayuga Lake Basin article

[Linda Orkin]

Hey Willie and All,

You can find out how to get ahold of this book by checking the list of vendors 
on our website, Cayugabirdclub.org. For people that live in the Cayuga Lake 
area, the book is readily available locally. As far as I can tell, Wildbirds 
Unlimited at Sapsucker Woods is the only place where you can buy this online. 
So far. 

Thanks
Linda Orkin 
Ithaca NY

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Willie D'Anna and Betsy Potter" 
 wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for posting the link to the article.  Perhaps this was an oversight 
> but as far as I could tell, neither you nor the article’s author indicated 
> how a birder could acquire this book.  I am sure I am not the only one who 
> would be interested.
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Willie
> 
>  
> 
> From: bounce-47216062-15084...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-47216062-15084...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Orkin
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L; cny-naturalhist...@darkstar.cortland.edu; nysbirds-l
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OT: Guide to Birding in the Cayuga Lake Basin article
> 
>  
> 
> For those who may be interested, Sue Heavenrich has written an article about 
> this Guide and it appears in this week's Tompkins County Weekly.  A good 
> overview of the book. Here is a link to the pdf page.
> 
> http://www.tompkinshosting.com/tompkinsweekly/TompkinsWeekly120409.pdf
> 
> Also, she had emailed me with the following request which I forward in the 
> event that someone may wish to help her with this. I am reluctant to just 
> give out names of people to her without some expression of interest 
> beforehand. If anyone does want to take this on, please email me and I will 
> put you in touch with her.  
> 
> 
> Now I have another question for you - or maybe I already asked it & we didn't 
> have time to explore:
> Does anyone in the club have bird count numbers or data that might show 
> whether/how bird populations have changed over past 35 years? Am working on 
> something re: climate change & bird range expansion or northward expansion
> ~Sue
> 
> Thanks in advance if  you can help out.
> 
> LInda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
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[nysbirds-l] OT: Guide to Birding in the Cayuga Lake Basin article

[Linda Orkin]

For those who may be interested, Sue Heavenrich has written an article
about this Guide and it appears in this week's Tompkins County Weekly.  A
good overview of the book. Here is a link to the pdf page.

http://www.tompkinshosting.com/tompkinsweekly/TompkinsWeekly120409.pdf

Also, she had emailed me with the following request which I forward in the
event that someone may wish to help her with this. I am reluctant to just
give out names of people to her without some expression of interest
beforehand. If anyone does want to take this on, please email me and I will
put you in touch with her.


Now I have another question for you - or maybe I already asked it & we
didn't have time to explore:
Does anyone in the club have bird count numbers or data that might show
whether/how bird populations have changed over past 35 years? Am working on
something re: climate change & bird range expansion or northward
expansion
~Sue

Thanks in advance if  you can help out.

LInda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

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[nysbirds-l] Troupial

[Linda Orkin]

-
I wish someone could find a way to catch this bird. It will never survive
the winter. Perhaps there is a rehabber or an experienced mist netter
somewhere nearby who could assist And as an added incentive,  if one is
necessary, these birds appear to be quite valuable from a cursory search on
the internet.

Thanks

Linda

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Baksh wrote:

> Gary Strauss just called to report that the Troupial is being seen right
> now at the same location as posted in my e-mail on the 28th.
>
>
> Good Birding!
>
> Andrew Baksh
> Queens NY
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Andrew Baksh wrote:
>
>> Late this afternoon, I received a call from Erik Miller about a mystery
>> Oriole like looking bird that was found by Mary Normandia at Gerry Pond
>> Park in Roslyn NY.  I got out to the area and took some documentation shots
>> for review.  Erik later called and left a message indicating that he had
>> identified the bird as a Troupial (see the Birds of the West Indies) for
>> reference.  I think Erik's ID is spot on. Here is a link to a few photos
>> posted on my 
>> blog.
>>
>> Good Birding!
>>
>> Andrew Baksh
>> Queens NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Troupial at Roslyn NY...

[Linda Orkin]

I wish someone could find a way to catch this bird. It will never survive
the winter. Perhaps there is a rehabber or an experienced mist netter
somewhere nearby who could assist And perhaps, as an added incentive, these
birds appear to be quite valuable after a cursory search on the internet.

Thanks

Linda

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Baksh wrote:

> Gary Strauss just called to report that the Troupial is being seen right
> now at the same location as posted in my e-mail on the 28th.
>
>
> Good Birding!
>
> Andrew Baksh
> Queens NY
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Andrew Baksh wrote:
>
>> Late this afternoon, I received a call from Erik Miller about a mystery
>> Oriole like looking bird that was found by Mary Normandia at Gerry Pond
>> Park in Roslyn NY.  I got out to the area and took some documentation shots
>> for review.  Erik later called and left a message indicating that he had
>> identified the bird as a Troupial (see the Birds of the West Indies) for
>> reference.  I think Erik's ID is spot on. Here is a link to a few photos
>> posted on my 
>> blog.
>>
>> Good Birding!
>>
>> Andrew Baksh
>> Queens NY
>> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photos of a yellow cardinal! (NOT in NY)

[Linda Orkin]

Hey Ruth,

Yes, but they metabolize the foods they eat and formulate the pigments.  The
paper that accompanies these photos is very interesting and explains much
about this mutation and how it affects the metabolic activity to end up with
a different color.

Linda

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 3:40 PM,  wrote:

>  Cindy and all,
>  I doubt this is a mutation. Cardinals get their red color from their food,
> and maybe this bird just didn't get the right stuff.
> Ruth
> Rockville Centre, NY
>
>
>
> Feb 6, 2011 01:03:43 AM, catbird...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Hi, even though this bird was not found in NYS, I thought it was unusual
> enough to be of interest to everyone. Photos of cardinal with a rare yellow
> color mutation (reminds me of a yellow tomato) taken last month in Kentucky,
> and a link to a scientific paper on a similar, collected bird at the bottom
> of the page.
>
> http://www.biology.eku.edu/kos/yellow_NOCA.htm
>
> Cindy Wodinsky
> Cedarhurst, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] American White Pelican

[Linda Orkin]

I thought it was illegal to have the body of a bird.  Can someone really
give this bird away and then have it stuffed and thwart necropsy info?

Linda Orkin

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Nicole Corrao
wrote:

>  Hello Birders,
>
> I thought all would be interested in an American White Pelican sighted by a
> man in Bellport.  The man claimed he found the body of the pelican along
> some water on the grounds of the Bellport Country Club.
>
> Today I picked up the bird and I am keeping it in a freezer here in the
> Wildlife Office at the Department of Environmental Conservation.  The man
> who found it gave it to a friend who wants it stuffed, so unfortunately we
> are not doing a necropsy of the bird.  We can deduce that the bird probably
> died of exposure and/or starvation since the bird shows no visible signs
> of trauma.
>
> The bird was discovered dead on 1/8/11, so I am thinking that with all the
> snow and bad weather, the bird somehow got off its normal wintering
> migratory route?
>
> Some say there were also sightings in Setauket, but these cannot be
> confirmed.
>
>
>
> Nicole Corrao
> NYS DEC-Region 1
> Sportsman Education Program
> Wildlife Technician
> 50 Circle Road
> SUNY Stony Brook
> Stony Brook, NY 11790
>  nxcor...@gw.dec.state.ny.us
> (631) 444-0255
>

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[nysbirds-l] NYC Audubon checklist link from May Birdathon

[Linda Orkin]

Here is a link that I found...

http://www.nycaudubon.org/Birdathon/PDF/ChecklistFINAL.pdf

It is quite extensive. Hope it helps.

Linda


On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:13 AM,  wrote:

> The official Checklist of the Birds of New York State is maintained and
> published by the New York State Ornithological Association. The new 2010
> edition is currently available.
>
> It is online at our Web site: nybirds.org
>
> Hard copy booklets may be ordered online through our Web site or by mail.
> They are $2 each or $15 for 10. Mail orders, with check (US dollars only),
> should be sent to:
> NYSOA, PO Box 296, Somers NY 10589.
>
> Berna Lincoln
> NYSOA
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