[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

The Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch in Setauket wrapped up its 8th year on
Sunday in a dismal manner, with no nighthawks being recorded. This year
was, by far, the worst with only 669 nighthawks being observed over the 41
days of the watch (August 27 - October 6). We had only one day where we
tallied a triple digit count with 103 nighthawks observed on 9/12. Totals
for the eight years are: 2046 nighthawks in 2017, 2018 nighthawks in 2018,
2757 nighthawks in 2019, 2245 nighthawks in 2020, 1819 nighthawks in 2021,
1625 nighthawks in 2022, 1022 nighthawks in 2023, and 669 nighthawks in
2024.

We do not know the cause for this decline but weather is a suspected cause.
A low pressure system sat over the North Atlantic for more than a week at
the end of the Watch and some conjectured that it created unfavorable winds
for migration.

Hopefully we'll have a better tally next year!

John Turner

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

Participants saw 103 common nighthawks at the Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch
yesterday, making it the best day of the watch so far. The two days prior
to that were productive as well.

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge nighthawk watch

[John Turner]

Recent results at the SB Nighthawk Watch have been mixed, Tonight was a
good night with 59 nighthawks passing by, mostly from east to west.   Last
night we only had five. On Labor Day the nighthawk watch was a popular
venue with 24 nighthawk fans in attendance.

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

Last night we tallied 69 nighthawks at the Watch with the highlight being a
kettle of 51 birds passing over at about 7:30 p.m. There must have been a
large insect hatch off the two ponds because for over an hour several dozen
laughing gulls fed actively over the area, acting very "nighthawkish" with
a group of several dozen chimney swifts joining them.  At the end three
bats, presumably little brown bats, joined the feeding frenzy.

John Turner

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[nysbirds-l] 2024 Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

The 2024 season of the Frank Melville Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch began
today with 38 common nighthawks seen. This represents the eighth year of
the watch by the Four Harbors Audubon Society. It runs each day from 5:30
p.m. to dusk thru to October 6th.

John Turner

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[nysbirds-l] Pileated Woodpecker Sighting on Long Island

[John Turner]

On June 5th I had a prolonged sighting of a male pileated woodpecker at the
NSLA's Humes Preserve in Mill Neck while standing at the top of the stairs
that lead down into the meadow. The bird flew from right to left across the
length of the meadow and started to both vocalize and rap on a dead
branch, soon after entering the forest. I watched it for another 30 seconds
or so before it flew north out of sight.

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

The Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch, run by the Four Harbors Audubon Society,
came to a close tonight with 36 nighthawks, many circling overhead as they
actively fed over both ponds.

The total for the season was 1,022 nighthawks which is by far the lowest
total we've had in the seven years we've been conducting the count.
Previous totals were:

2017 - 2,046
2018 - 2,018
2019 - 2,757
2020 - 2,245
2021 - 1,819
2022 - 1,625
2023 - 1,022

We don't have a clear reason why the numbers were down so much. We did have
three days in a row where the watch was washed out, the first time this has
ever happened. We also wonder if the fires raging for so long in eastern
Canada played a role in either affecting reproductive success or
migrational movements away from smoke.

We thank all the many people that visited the watch this year including two
individuals from California and one from New Zealand! It is fun to be able
to tally nighthawks together, to marvel at their migratory exploits, and to
educate many visitors to the park as they walk by on the Stone Bridge.
Hundreds of individuals now know a little bit more about nighthawk ecology,
their migration, and the bigger issue of bird conservation and what they
can do to help birds.

See you next August!

John Turner
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

Tonight produced 92 nighthawks at the Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch
including a feeding flock of 56 nighthawks at the southern end of the
southern pond. The sunset of salmon colored clouds was quite beautiful.

John Turner


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

The seventh season of the Four Harbors Audubon Society's Stone Bridge
Nighthawk Watch, in conjunction with Frank Melville Park, began last night
with 161 nighthawks seen. Two adult bald eagles, a full-cropped Cooper's
Hawk, and a Peregrine Falcon were additional highlights.  The Watch runs
through to October 6th and begins at 5:30 p.m. and runs to dark each
evening.

John Turner

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where it joins State Route 25A in a T-intersection (you'll go past signs to
Stony Brook University and go under the LIRR trestle right before the
intersection). Make a right on SR 25A heading east for just a few hundred
yards. Make a left at the next light, heading north on Main Street. Take
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[nysbirds-l] Marbled Godwits

[John Turner]

On a visit earlier today to the mud/sand flats adjacent to Cupsogue County
Park in an effort to locate red knots for a research project, I saw 11
marbled godwits actively feeding on the small northernmost sandflat. There
were many other species and collectively thousands of shorebirds were
frequenting the area, providing for a wonderful experience even though,
disappointingly, we saw no knots.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] UPDATE: Camel Farm issue, Orange Co.

[John Turner]

Anne: Thank you for the update. I greatly appreciate your and others
involvement in resolving the issue in a manner that is productive to both
the birding community and the property owner.

John

On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 7:47 PM Anne Swaim  wrote:

> (Posted on behalf of people who are tracking this issue. Please pass along
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> PSA:  Follow Up on Camel Farm
>
> Two events set in motion the recent events at this location and owner’s
> immediate desire to fill ponds:
>
> 1)Unsafe parking on Rt 62 almost caused a truck to hit parked car, and
> 2) birders being rude to landowner.
>
> Requests: Pull all the way over on Rt 62. View birds for a few minutes and
> leave. Owner doesn’t want birders there for hours or every day.
>
> Note: owner did put in a gravel parking path for birders on William Lain
> Rd. It is across from the white house (longer distance to view ponds.
> Please do not be rude to farmers.
>
> Owner will not fill in ponds, but she wanted to be clear and wanted to
> make this understood:
>  “I made these ponds and will fill them in. I like birds. I have two other
> ponds they can go to.” (Unfortunately not accessible.)
>
> Please keep in mind that birder actions have consequences and please do
> not ruin this for
>  1) birds and 2) other birders.  Thank you.
>
> Anne Swaim
> Saw Mill River Audubon
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[nysbirds-l] Status of Pileated Woodpecker on Long Island.

[John Turner]

Hi All: The Seatuck Environmental Association is trying to gain a better
understanding of the presence and distribution of the Pileated Woodpecker
on LI. We have seen tree damage evidence strongly suggesting this enigmatic
species in a north shore estate where we're doing some ecological work.

If you have any information regarding bird sightings or other evidence
(e.g. damaged trees) of this species on LI would you be so kind to let me
know at jtur...@seatuck.org?

Thank you!

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nightawk Watch

[John Turner]

While it has been a slow week at the Nighthawk Watch with only four birds
being seen last night, we have passed the 1600 bird mark with the total
currently standing at 1,603 common nighthawks.

John Turner

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[nysbirds-l] Frank Melville Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[John Turner]

We had a productive night on 9/13 at the Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch with 84
nighthawks seen in 112 minutes.

To date we've seen 1536 nighthawks with 311 birds being seen on the 10th.

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[nysbirds-l] Final 2021 Tally for Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

The Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch concluded its 2021 season tonight with a total 
of 1,819 Common Nighthawks seen. This total was 200 less birds than our next 
lowest count (2018).

Count totals from beginning of Watch:

1,819 in 2021

2,245 in 2020

2,757 in 2019

2,018 in 2018

2,046 in 2017


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

We had 136 nighthawks last night, the third best tally of the season.


Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Recent Results

[TURNER]

Following are the recent totals for the SB Nighthawk Watch:

September 19 -  68 nighthawks  

September 20 - 7 nighthawks

September 21 - 56 nighthawks 

September 22 - 129 nighthawks

Year-to-date Totals - 1371 nighthawks


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - September 18th

[TURNER]

60 nighthawks were seen by a crowd of 23 observers last night. Good views of 
Jupiter, Saturn and the growing moon through a 60x bird scope! 


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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The last two nights have been productive, especially in the second hour.

We had 169 nighthawks in 9/12 and 82 tonight..capped off by a late 
nighthawk coming in low over the bridge and skimming the surface of the 
northern pond to drink.


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[nysbirds-l] Year-to-date results for Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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Here are the results so far in 2021 for the SB Nighthawk Watch: 

August 27th - 128 nighthawks 

August 28th - 30 nighthawks

August 29th - 49 nighthawks

August 30th - 145 nighthawks

August 31st - 45 nighthawks

September 1st - 0 nighthawks

September 2nd - 9 nighthawks 

September 3rd  - 9 nighthawks

September 4th - 64 nighthawks

September 5th – 9 nighthawks

September 6th – 30 nighthawks

September 7th- 56 nighthawks

September 8th – 25 nighthawks

September 9th – 18 nighthawks 

September 10th  - 56 nighthawks

September 11th – 9 nighthawks

The results are well off the pace compared to the past four years (2017-2020).  
Last year at this time we had more than 1,700 nighthawksand what's with the 
number 9?!

John Turner


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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145 nighthawks were seen tonight at the Nighthawk Watch with three birds toward 
dusking flying low over the road affording great views. Also had two red bats.

John Turner 



Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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The 2021 season of Four Harbors Audubon Society's Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch 
started off nicely tonight with 14 participants seeing 128 Common Nighthawks in 
135 minutes, Toward dusk several nighthawks came down to feed over the pond 
along with a dozen or so chimney swifts and one brown bat.  

John Turner 


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[nysbirds-l] Fifth Annual Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch to begin soon

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It's that time again!

Four Harbor Audubon Society's 5th annual "Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch" will 
officially open at 5:30 p.m. on August 27th. We will meet at the stone bridge 
at the southern end of Frank Melville Park in Setauket and count southbound 
nighthawks. It runs from 5:30 to dusk every evening through October 6th.

Here's the four year totals: 

2017 - 2,046 nighthawks seen. 

2018 - 2,018 nighthawks seen. 

2019 - 2,757 nighthawks seen 

2020 - 2,242 nighthawks seen.


We hope to see you there!!!

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Re: [nysbirds-l] An update on the south Brooklyn beaches nests

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These unfortunate results suggest a more active, hands-on protection role by 
some individuals/entities is necessary. 

> On June 22, 2021 at 12:41 PM Gus Keri  wrote:
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the Oystercatcher nest that was built over the wrack on top of 
> the rocky beach in Shirley Chisholm State Park has gone. No eggs to be found 
> this morning. (and no fledglings in the area)
> This is the third Oystercatcher nest that failed this season. The other two 
> were at Plumb Beach and Dead Horse Point.
> Also, the Killdeer nest at Shirley Chisholm SP which had 4 eggs has vanished.
> In total, 4 nest with 12 eggs have failed.
> Last year, similar number of nests for the same species in the same areas had 
> only two Oystercatcher fledglings and one of them survived to adulthood in 
> Dead Horse Point.
> In total, over two years, one out of 25 eggs has reached adulthood. 
> This is a really sad situation for these special birds.
> Gus Keri
> 
> 
>   On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 10:58:37 -0400 Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
>  wrote 
>  > div.zm_6577200324689976142_parse_-3632554252250034675 P { margin-top: 0; 
> margin-bottom: 0 }Charadriiformes seem to be willing to keep trying to find 
> ways to adapt to the loss of nesting habitat. It's nice to see AMOY are no 
> exception. I've even seen reports of AMOY trying to adapt to rooftop nesting 
> as the terns and skimmer have too. So, while intriguing it doesn't "surprise" 
> me to hear of them trying a different strategy. Wrack, what you refer to as 
> straw, is a common nesting substrate available on beaches and marsh islands.
>  > What would be interesting to know is did the AMOY gather the wrack to nest 
> on, or did they capitalize on an existing deposit of wrack.
>  > The real question is since they are willing to adapt...are we?
>  > 
>  > Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
>  > New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
>  > 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
>  > Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
>  > Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
>  > "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when 
> we created them" -Einstein
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > From: Gus Keri 
>  > Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:54 PM
>  > To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
>  > Subject: Very interesting finding ATTENTION: This email came from an 
> external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown 
> senders or unexpected emails.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > While walking the beaches of Shirley Chisholm State Park today checking 
> the area where Oystercatchers nested last year, I noticed a "nest-protective" 
> behavior by an Oystercatcher, but it wasn't in the same area. It was in an 
> area where there is no sand above the tide level. I have never seen 
> Oystercatcher nest in areas other then sandy beaches. All the nests I have 
> seen over the year were build on sand.
>  > 
>  > Suddenly, another Oystercatcher flew off the rocky area after it saw me 
> approaching. When I checked the place, I found a nest built on straws on top 
> of rocks. It was very surprising to me. I know Willet build their nests on 
> these straws but not oystercatcher.
>  > 
>  > I remember that last year the Oystercatcher nest that was built over the 
> very limited sandy area of this beach had failed and most likely because of a 
> sea storm, The nest was very close to the high tide line.
>  > 
>  > This year, the Oystercatchers decided to use a Willet method and build a 
> nest on straws on top of the rock, way above the high tide line
>  > It is a nice way to improvise in harsh conditions and keeping the species 
> going. A survival instinct, I guess.
>  > 
>  > You can see photos of this nest on eBird:
>  > https://ebird.org/checklist/S89493742
>  > 
>  > Gus Keri
>  > 
>  > 
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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach

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Wouldn't MBTA protect oystercatchers? 


John T. 

> On May 27, 2021 at 5:54 PM Joe Jannsen  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes—that was already arranged with NPS. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for also following up.
> 
>  
> 
> Joe
> 
>  
> 
> From: bounce-125669674-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Gus Keri
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:33 PM
> To: Smith, Jason Y (DEC) ; Birding alert, 
> NYSBirds, Birding alert 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you Jason for immediate response and action.
> I hope this nest will survive until the weekend.
> Gus
> 
>  On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:01:31 -0400 Smith, Jason Y (DEC) 
> mailto:jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov > wrote 
> > div.zm_-5476009931034783622_parse_-1648336103378843337 P { margin-top: 
> 0; margin-bottom: 0 }Gus,
> > Some potential good news. I was able to contact NPS and they will try 
> and get to the area by Saturday morning to put up a symbolic fence around the 
> nest.
> > It leaves them vulnerable for the next few days...but hopefully they 
> can get the area marked off before anything happens.
> > Jason
> > Jason C. Smith |Biodiversity Ecologist
> > New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
> > 47-40 21st Street, Long Island City, NY 11101
> > Phone: 718-482-4919 | Fax: 718-482-4502
> > Email: jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov mailto:jason.sm...@dec.ny.gov
> > "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used 
> when we created them" -Einstein
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Smith, Jason Y (DEC)
> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:34 PM
> > To: gusk...@zoho.com mailto:gusk...@zoho.com  mailto:gusk...@zoho.com >
> > Subject: Oystercatchers at Plumb Beach Gus,
> > I'm a biologist with the NYDEC out of the Long Island City regional 
> office. A co-worker forwarded me your email about the Oystercatcher nest at 
> Plumb Beach.
> > While I am not familiar with this nest in 2021, I am very familiar with 
> where the Oystercatchers have tried to nest in the past on that beach. 
> Unfortunately, it has never ended well.
> > Both the National Park Service and the NYC Parks & Recreation are 
> responsible for managing that property and it is generally managed as a 
> recreational access area and not as protected area for nesting shorebirds or 
> waterbirds. Plumb Beach primarily serves as a kayak/wind surfing launch, and 
> a rest area for vehicles travelling on the Belt Parkway. As you note, there 
> is a lot of recreational foot traffic through there. And folks with dogs 
> usually take them off their leash there to run. Which is prohibited, but 
> largely goes unenforced as there are no permanent staff there.
> > The area just north of Plumb Beach, Marine Park does have an area that 
> is preserved for wildlife. Here is a link to the NYC Parks website for the 
> preserve: Forever Wild : NYC Parks (nycgovparks.org)Forever Wild : NYC 
> ParksMost of the Marine Park Preserve consists of salt marshes and uplands 
> that flank Gerritsen Creek, the westernmost freshwater inlet of Jamaica Bay. 
> Jamaica Bay is an 18,000-acre wetland estuary that provides a unique 
> environment for both wildlife preservation and urban recreation. Enclosed by 
> the ...www.nycgovparks.org
> > This area is the reason why Plumb Beach is so attractive to 
> Oystercatchers. So, in a way it was the NPS and NYC Parks' way of finding a 
> compromise for the two land use issues in the area. If the Oystercatchers 
> would only nest across the channel(north of the marina and south of the 
> bridge crossing the channel between Plumb and Marine Park) from where you are 
> likely seeing them (as you go around the bend towards the wetland north of 
> the beach) that would eliminate the conflict. That area isn't currently 
> suited obviously, otherwise the Oystercatchers would nest there. But it could 
> be set up to.
> >
> > The area where they are (likely) nesting is suited, if not for the high 
> level of recreational activity. Even without any dogs off their leash.
> > I will however reach out to colleagues at the NPS and make sure they 
> are aware of the nest and ask if they can demark the area. Unfortunately, 
> American Oystercatcher are not protected under NYS law as a threatened, 
> endangered, or special concern species. So, I cannot require them to take any 
> action. But they have tried to help Oystercatchers nesting in precarious 
> locations in the past, so there is hope.
> > From a longer-term solution perspective, I will reach out to NYC Parks 
> and see if they can't provide some signs near the concessions/restroom area 
> that alert visitors to the potential for encountering beach nesting birds 
> (and migratory shorebird stopovers too...both NPS and Parks acknowledge the 
> area for important horseshoe crab spawning area that it is). And re-enforce 
> the dog leash law for

Re: [nysbirds-l] Big nets Suffolk County.......

[TURNER]

Hi Glenn: Working for the Town of Brookhaven at the time the application was 
considered and approved, the possible impact to birds from collisions was 
something we identified and assessed. As part of this assessment I spoke to a 
number of experts about it and they thought the proposed netting was 
conspicuous enough as to not pose a danger. Further, a literature search did 
not turn up instances where this is an issue in other places, with one 
exception, if I remember correctly, of a duck flying into netting. We can 
monitor it and if it turns out to be problematic can implement steps to 
mitigate its impacts.

Having said this, it is a terrible eyesore that destroyed about 20 acres of 
forest. 

John Turner



> On May 5, 2021 at 8:58 AM Glenn Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Anybody been watching the construction of the Top Golf Sports Bar on the 
> north side of the Long Island Expressway in Holtsville (Suffolk County, near 
> exit 63)??
> 
> Aside from being a huge eyesore (you can see it from exits away on the 
> LIE), the netting that they have erected must be at least 150 feet tall, and 
> there's a lot of it.
> 
> Not that this part of Long Island is a major flyway but I can't help 
> thinking that it's going to be a problem for migrating birds. Maybe somebody 
> with more time than I have can look into it.
> 
> Glenn
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[nysbirds-l] Bird Lecture by Deborah Cramer

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Join Four Harbors Audubon Society and Seatuck Environmental Association for a 
Zoom presentation, The Narrow Edge: A Tiny Bird, An Ancient Crab, and An Epic 
Journey, on Wednesday, April 28 at 7:30 p.m. Our speaker is Deborah Cramer, 
Visiting Scholar, Environmental Solutions Initiative-MIT.
To research and write The Narrow Edge, Deborah Cramer accompanied Red Knots 
along their extraordinary migration from Tierra del Fuego up to the Arctic.  In 
this talk, she’ll share photographs from her journey, and explore Long Island’s 
importance to the flyway; critical ecological connections between shorebirds 
and horseshoe crabs; the ways horseshoe crabs protect human health, including 
in the fight against Covid; and exciting developments which can restore 
horseshoe crabs and the shorebirds that need them.
Deborah Cramer is the author of two books about the sea – Great Waters and 
Smithsonian Ocean: Our Water Our World – and most recently, The Narrow Edge: A 
Tiny Bird, An Ancient Crab, And An Epic Journey, which received the Best Book 
Award from the National Academies of Science, and the Rachel Carson Book Award 
from the Society of Environmental Journalists.  Perhaps you’ve read her op-eds 
in the New York Times, or heard her talk about shorebirds on NPR.  She’s a 
visiting scholar at MIT and lives at the edge of a salt marsh in Gloucester, 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Alley Pond Park

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what frogs were they?

> On March 26, 2021 at 5:12 PM "Jaklitsch, Mike"  mailto:mjakl...@estee.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> Short afternoon walk yielded 5 FOS Phoebe, 3 GC kinglets, a Sapucker and 
> an amazing chorus of frogs at Decadon Pond
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[nysbirds-l] Ruffed Grouse Sightings on Long Island

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Hi All: I am working on an article for The Kingbird regarding the decline 
(extirpation?) of the ruffed grouse on Long Island and would appreciate any 
sightings or records birders might have. 

I can be reached directly at redk...@optonline.net mailto:redk...@optonline.net 
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Thank you!

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Diverse Late Season Morning Flight/Seawatch

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Is puckerbrush a highly technical botanical term? 

> On December 7, 2020 at 11:38 AM Shaibal Mitra  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> As nocturnal landbird migration has faded to near zero, I've been finding it 
> more difficult to make an early start. This morning I reached Robert Moses 
> SP, Suffolk County, LI at 08:30 without a clear expectation of what the light 
> wnw winds might bring: on the one hand the possibility of a rare irruptive 
> species, such as Bohemian Waxwing or even Pine Grosbeak; on the other, 
> waterbirds moving in response to freezing temperatures. What I found was a 
> very interesting mix. A few American Pipits are still moving and were joined 
> by the first big flocks (>100) of Horned Larks and and Snow Buntings I've 
> seen so far this season. Among Fringillids, I saw just one flock of American 
> Goldfinches, and single American Robin and Downy Woodpecker were calling from 
> the puckerbrush, as if bewildered at their new haunts.
> 
> But the ocean side was even more lively. Some freshwater ducks on the move 
> included a flock of nine Northern Shoveler (a very tough bird at RMSP proper, 
> from the competitive patch listing point of view), but the highlights were 
> the smaller gulls, moving from east to west in very good numbers: 13 
> Black-legged Kittiwakes, 940 Bonaparte's Gulls, seven tardy Laughing Gulls, 
> and 160 Ring-billed Gulls. None of these seemed to be lingering to feed in 
> this area, but it might be worth checking places like Jones Inlet.
> 
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> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

Indeed it was; the second highest total we've ever recorded. 

> On October 7, 2020 at 11:23 AM robert adamo  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,et al,
> 
> Thanks for keeping us informed - August 29 must have been "bananas on the 
> bridge" !
> 
> Cheers,
> Bob
> 
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:38 AM TURNER  mailto:redk...@optonline.net > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > The 2020 season for the Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch concluded last 
> > night with three nighthawks seen. As has been the case in past years, the 
> > last couple of days of the Watch saw little in the way of nighthawk 
> > movement. What distinguishes this year from the past three were the high 
> > number of birds that passed through in August, "frontloading" the count. 
> > 
> > Thanks to all who participated. It was wonderful to see and meet so 
> > many people interested in observing, and learning about, Common Nighthawks!
> > 
> > We'll see you again next year.  
> > 
> > John Turner & Patrice Domeischel (on behalf of Four Harbors Audubon 
> > Society)
> > 
> > 
> > 2020 Summary
> > 
> > Common Nighthawk Watch
> > 
> > Frank Melville Park - Stone Bridge 2020
> > 
> > August 27th - 44 nighthawks, 106 minutes (44 nighthawks, 106 
> > minutes, .415 bpm)
> > 
> > August 28th - 351 nighthawks, 131 minutes (395 nighthawks, 237 
> > minutes, 1.66 bpm)
> > 
> > August 29th -  487 nighthawks, 139 minutes (882 nighthawks, 376 
> > minutes, 2.34 bpm)
> > 
> > August 30th - 39 nighthawks, 139 minutes(921 nighthawks, 515 
> > minutes, 1.78 bpm)
> > 
> > August 31st - 169 nighthawks, 130 minutes (1090 nighthawks, 645 
> > minutes, 1.68 bpm)
> > 
> > September 1st - 177 nighthawks, 130 minutes (1267 nighthawks, 775 
> > minutes, 1.63 bpm)
> > 
> > September 2nd - 58 nighthawks, 125 minutes (1325 nighthawks, 900 
> > minutes, 1.47 bpm)
> > 
> > September 3rd - 149 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1474 nighthawks, 1020 
> > minutes, 1.44 bpm)
> > 
> > September 4th - 108 nighthawks, 124 minutes (1582 nighthawks, 1144 
> > minutes, 1.38 bpm)
> > 
> > September 5th - 9 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1591 nighthawks, 1264 
> > minutes, 1.25 bpm)
> > 
> > September 6th - 15 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1604 nighthawks, 1384 
> > minutes, 1.15 bpm)
> > 
> > September 7th - 54 nighthawks, 115 minutes (1658 nighthawks, 1499 
> > minutes, 1.10 bpm)
> > 
> > September 8th - 30 nighthawks, 122 minutes (1688 nighthawks, 1621 
> > minutes, 1.04 bpm)
> > 
> > September 9th - 6 nighthawks, 111 minutes (1694 nighthawks, 1732 
> > minutes, .978 bpm)
> > 
> > September 10th - 28 nighthawks, 110 minutes (1722 nighthawks, 1842 
> > minutes, .934 bpm)
> > 
> > September 11th - 16 nighthawks, 112 minutes (1738 nighthawks, 1956 
> > minutes, .888 bpm)
> > 
> > September 12th - 8 nighthawks, 117 minutes (1746 nighthawks, 2073 
> > minutes. .844 bpm)
> > 
> > September 13th - 10 nighthawks, 106 minutes (1756 nighthawks, 2089 
> > minutes, .840 bpm)
> > 
> > September 14th - 0 nighthawks, 100 minutes (1756 nighthawks, 2189 
> > minutes, .802 bpm)
> > 
> > September 15th - 10 nighthawks, 110 minutes (1766 nighthawks, 2299 
> > minutes, .768 bpm)
> > 
> > September 16th - 12 nighthawks, 101 minutes (1778 nighthawks, 2400 
> > minutes, .740 bpm)
> > 
> > September 17th - 15 nighthawks, 96 minutes (1793 nighthawks, 2496 
> > minutes, .718 bpm)
> > 
> > September 18th - 4 nighthawks, 100 minutes (1797 nighthawks, 2596 
> > minutes, .692 bpm)
> > 
> > September 19th - 6 nighthawks, 101 minutes (1803 nighthawks, 2697 
> > minutes, .668 bpm)
> > 
> > September 20th - 3 nighthawks, 97 minutes (1806 nighthawks, 2794 
> > minutes, .646 bpm)
> > 
> > September 21st - 1 nighthawk, 90 minutes (1807 nighthawks, 2884 
> > minutes, .626 bpm)
> > 
> > September 22nd - 9 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1816 nighthawks, 2974 
> > minutes, .610 bpm)
> > 
> > September 23rd - 31 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1847 nighthawks, 3064 
> > minutes, .602 bpm)
> > 
> > September 24th - 16 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1863 nighthawks, 3154 
> >

[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

The 2020 season for the Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch concluded last night with 
three nighthawks seen. As has been the case in past years, the last couple of 
days of the Watch saw little in the way of nighthawk movement. What 
distinguishes this year from the past three were the high number of birds that 
passed through in August, "frontloading" the count. 

Thanks to all who participated. It was wonderful to see and meet so many people 
interested in observing, and learning about, Common Nighthawks!

We'll see you again next year.  

John Turner & Patrice Domeischel (on behalf of Four Harbors Audubon Society)


2020 Summary

Common Nighthawk Watch

Frank Melville Park - Stone Bridge 2020

August 27th - 44 nighthawks, 106 minutes (44 nighthawks, 106 minutes, .415 bpm)

August 28th - 351 nighthawks, 131 minutes (395 nighthawks, 237 minutes, 1.66 
bpm)

August 29th -  487 nighthawks, 139 minutes (882 nighthawks, 376 minutes, 2.34 
bpm)

August 30th - 39 nighthawks, 139 minutes(921 nighthawks, 515 minutes, 1.78 bpm)

August 31st - 169 nighthawks, 130 minutes (1090 nighthawks, 645 minutes, 1.68 
bpm)

September 1st - 177 nighthawks, 130 minutes (1267 nighthawks, 775 minutes, 1.63 
bpm)

September 2nd - 58 nighthawks, 125 minutes (1325 nighthawks, 900 minutes, 1.47 
bpm)

September 3rd - 149 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1474 nighthawks, 1020 minutes, 
1.44 bpm)

September 4th - 108 nighthawks, 124 minutes (1582 nighthawks, 1144 minutes, 
1.38 bpm)

September 5th - 9 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1591 nighthawks, 1264 minutes, 1.25 
bpm)

September 6th - 15 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1604 nighthawks, 1384 minutes, 1.15 
bpm)

September 7th - 54 nighthawks, 115 minutes (1658 nighthawks, 1499 minutes, 1.10 
bpm)

September 8th - 30 nighthawks, 122 minutes (1688 nighthawks, 1621 minutes, 1.04 
bpm)

September 9th - 6 nighthawks, 111 minutes (1694 nighthawks, 1732 minutes, .978 
bpm)

September 10th - 28 nighthawks, 110 minutes (1722 nighthawks, 1842 minutes, 
.934 bpm)

September 11th - 16 nighthawks, 112 minutes (1738 nighthawks, 1956 minutes, 
.888 bpm)

September 12th - 8 nighthawks, 117 minutes (1746 nighthawks, 2073 minutes. .844 
bpm)

September 13th - 10 nighthawks, 106 minutes (1756 nighthawks, 2089 minutes, 
.840 bpm)

September 14th - 0 nighthawks, 100 minutes (1756 nighthawks, 2189 minutes, .802 
bpm)

September 15th - 10 nighthawks, 110 minutes (1766 nighthawks, 2299 minutes, 
.768 bpm)

September 16th - 12 nighthawks, 101 minutes (1778 nighthawks, 2400 minutes, 
.740 bpm)

September 17th - 15 nighthawks, 96 minutes (1793 nighthawks, 2496 minutes, .718 
bpm)

September 18th - 4 nighthawks, 100 minutes (1797 nighthawks, 2596 minutes, .692 
bpm)

September 19th - 6 nighthawks, 101 minutes (1803 nighthawks, 2697 minutes, .668 
bpm)

September 20th - 3 nighthawks, 97 minutes (1806 nighthawks, 2794 minutes, .646 
bpm)

September 21st - 1 nighthawk, 90 minutes (1807 nighthawks, 2884 minutes, .626 
bpm)

September 22nd - 9 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1816 nighthawks, 2974 minutes, .610 
bpm)

September 23rd - 31 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1847 nighthawks, 3064 minutes, .602 
bpm)

September 24th - 16 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1863 nighthawks, 3154 minutes, .590 
bpm)

September 25th - 53 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1916 nighthawks, 3244 minutes, .590 
bpm)

September 26th - 42 nighthawks, 90 minutes (1958 nighthawks, 3334 minutes, .587 
bpm)

September 27th - 61 nighthawks, 88 minutes (2019 nighthawks, 3422 minutes, .590 
bpm)

September 28th - 57 nighthawks, 87 minutes (2076 nighthawks, 3509 minutes, .591 
bpm)

September 29th - 70 nighthawks, 83 minutes (2146 nighthawks, 3592 minutes, .597 
bpm)

September 30th - 42 nighthawks, 87 minutes (2188 nighthawks, 3682 minutes, .594 
bpm)

October 1st - 42 ni hthawks, 84 minutes (2230 nighthawks, 3766 minutes, .592 
bpm)

October 2nd - 6 nighthawks, 75 minutes (2236 nighthawks, 3841 minutes, .582 bpm)

October 3rd - 1 nighthawk, 70 minutes (2237 nighthawks, 3911 minutes, .571 bpm)

October 4th - 1 nighthawk, 75 minutes (2238 nighthawks, 3986 minutes, .561 bpm)

October 5th - 1 nighthawk, 73 minutes (2239 nighthawks, 4059 minutes, .551 bpm)

October 6th - 3 nighthawks, 72 minutes (2242 nighthawks, 4131 minutes, .542 
bpm) 


This year's total was the second highest total in the four years of the watch:

2017 - 2,046 nighthawks seen. 

2018 - 2,018 nighthawks seen. 

2019 - 2,757 nighthawks seen 

2020 - 2,242 nighthawks seen.
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

Last night (September 29th) was one of the top three most enjoyable nights in 
the four years we've been conducting the Nighthawk Watch! We had 70 birds- a 
good but not spectacular total- but what distinguished it was how close the 
birds were to the ground. There was some insect hatch off the pond drawing the 
nighthawks down and for the last 30-40 minutes we watched between 15-20 birds 
hawking back and forth over the north pond well below the treeline. This 
allowed us to see their plumage exceptionally well and were interested to note 
how bright their white wing blazes were. When a bird was flying directly at me, 
it reminded me of the wing lights on a plane. 

I've sometimes  wondered what might be the adaptive value of  the wing blazes 
and "why" the blazes evolved. Seeing how bright they are I wonder if one 
function they serve is to startle aerial insects, causing them to move, thereby 
making them more noticeable...

John Turner


Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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north to the end where it intersects State Route 25A. Make a right heading east 
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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September 28th - 57 nighthawks, 87 minutes;

Current Season Total ( 2076 nighthawks, 3509 minutes, .591 bpm)

The highlight, and underscoring how each day is different, were the the eight 
nighthawks we watched (beginning at 6:41 p.m. and lasting for 14 minutes, until 
6:55 p.m.) feeding over the north pond, serving as our grand finale! It was a 
great show. 


John T. 


Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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north to the end where it intersects State Route 25A. Make a right heading east 
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it forms a t-intersection. Look to left and you'll see the stone bridge 
crossing over water. Make a right and immediately find a parking space on the 
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

Things have ticked up a bit at the Nighthawk Watch after a slow period: 

September 25th - 53 nighthawks

September 26th - 42 nighthawks

September 27th - 61 nighthawks 

We have passed the 2,000 mark with a total of 2,019 nighthawks having been seen 
in 2020. We have nine more days to go. 


In past years the totals have been:

2017-2046 nighthawks

2018-2018 nighthawks

2019-2757 nighthawks



Last night the birds were actively feeding and provided prolonged views at 
relatively low heights. A group of nighthawks to our south, varying between 
half a dozen to fifteen birds, fed for 45 minutes before moving on. 

John Turner  


Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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The Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch has slowed over the past week, but if past 
experience holds true we should get another push of nighthawks before early 
October.

September 12th - 8 nighthawks, 117 minutes (1746 nighthawks, 2073 minutes. .844 
bpm)

September 13th - 10 nighthawks, 106 minutes (1756 nighthawks, 2089 minutes, 
.840 bpm)

September 14th - 0 nighthawks, 100 minutes (1756 nighthawks, 2189 minutes, .802 
bpm)

September 15th - 10 nighthawks, 110 minutes (1766 nighthawks, 2299 minutes, 
.768 bpm)

September 16th - 12 nighthawks, 101 minutes (1778 nighthawks, 2400 minutes, 
.740 bpm)

September 17th - 15 nighthawks, 96 minutes (1793 nighthawks, 2496 minutes, .718 
bpm)

September 18th - 4 nighthawks, 100 minutes ( 1797 nighthawks, 2596 minutes, 
.692 bpm)


John 


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north to the end where it joins State Route 25A. Make a right heading east on 
25A. Make left at first light onto Main Street. Take this north to end where it 
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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September 10th - 28 nighthawks, 110 minutes (1722 nighthawks, 1842 minutes, 
.934 bpm).

Last night was interesting. While the tally was low, there was a tremendous 
flight of aerial insects (looked like flying ants) leading the nighthawks to 
stay overhead and feed for minutes on end, along with many barn and tree 
swallows, a lone purple martin, and chimney swifts.  Even laughing gulls joined 
the fray.

At dusk we observed 6 red bats over the north pond.

John Turner



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north to the end where it joins State Route 25A. Make a right heading east on 
25A. Make left at first light onto Main Street. Take this north to end where it 
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September 4th - 108 nighthawks, 124 minutes (1582 nighthawks, 1144 minutes, 
1.38 bpm)

September 5th - 9 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1591 nighthawks, 1264 minutes, 1.25 
bpm). This was the slowest night yet. 

We also saw a red bat feeding over the southern pond, starting several minutes 
before dusk.


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch, Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

September 2nd - 58 nighthawks, 125 minutes (1325 nighthawks, 900 minutes, 1.47 
bpm)

September 3rd - 149 nighthawks, 120 minutes (1474 nighthawks, 1020 minutes, 
1.44 bpm)


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Re: [nysbirds-l] StoneBridge Nighthawk results - 8/28

[TURNER]

Hi Angus: You raise a bunch of good questions and we have few answers. We're 
not sure what it is about the Stone Bridge/Setauket Mill Ponds that make them 
such a productive place to see nighthawks. I suspect there are a few micro and 
macro factors to explain the site's productivity.

As for the micro:

1) The two elongated ponds seem, in late summer through early fall, to produce 
an impressive hatch of aerial insects which obviously attracts nighthawks, 
swallows, and swifts once they get near. On many nights of the watch, toward 
dusk, we'll see upwards of a dozen or so nighthawks circling low over the ponds 
actively feeding (I've seen them skim the water a few times to drink).

2) The sight lines from the Stone Bridge are impressive. You can see north into 
Conscience Bay, good views to the east, fair views to the west, and very good 
vantage points to the south. That much open sky over wetland habitat may play a 
role in our ability to see and count the birds. 

Regarding macro:

1) We suspect that the site is simply well located for a general west- and 
southbound movement of nighthawks.  I think the birds fly across the Sound with 
no problem, being such strong fliers and the fact that even over LI Sound there 
is probably ample food for nighthawk in the form of small insects. But rather 
than continuing south across the island, once they hit the north shore, they 
generally follow the LI Sound shoreline in a westerly direction, breaking 
south/southwest across the island at some point further west than Setauket, 
before exiting the NYC metro area. While its  anecdotal, a few times I've been 
further east (most recently at Paul Adam's now closed hummingbird sanctuary in 
Riverhead)) and have watched a half dozen to a dozen or so nighthawks flying 
west along the top of the bluffs (perhaps taking advantage of the deflecting 
currents from the bluff face). 

For 35 years I lived in Massapequa Park (south shore of Nassau County) and if I 
saw half a dozen to a dozen nighthawks a year in the fall it was a good season. 
And while there are occasional reports of birds in the middle and south shore 
of Suffolk County it seems most of the sightings take place along the north 
shore. So what I think may be going on is: nighthawks fly across the Sound to 
the north shore and then move west, building in obvious abundance as they do. 
This would explain why nighthawk concentrations aren't especially noted along 
the North Fork but do become meaningful futher west.   

Jim Clinton once ran a nighthawk watch for years in Wading River (I 
believe)if we could get his data it would prove helpful.  

If additional nighthawk watches were established in other LI locations or we 
could monitor specfic birds during fall migration we might get a more complete 
picture as to what is going on.  

As for how long an individual bird stays around, we don't know for sure but I 
suspect its for a short time of a day or so. The later arriving birds feed and 
then probably roost in the woodlands near the ponds and head off the next day.

So..there's a lot we don't know but it is fun trying to figure it out.

John Turner 



> On August 29, 2020 at 9:30 PM Angus Wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've always been impressed and puzzled by the remarkable number of 
> nighthawks recorded in early fall year from the Setauket Mill Pond area. 
> Nowhere else on Long Island has numbers anywhere close to this. In fact, 
> single-digit counts are the norm elsewhere except perhaps a few spots that 
> are also close to the north shore of the island. I'm curious to know what 
> aspect of the geography might explain this disparity? I would have guessed 
> that south-bound migrants are reluctant to cross the full width of the Sound 
> and perhaps make shorter jumps via Fisher's and Plumb Islands, mirroring the 
> preference of several hawk species. However, that would predict large counts 
> on the North Fork, which I'm unaware of. Alternatively is there something 
> about the ponds and woodland of Setauket that is uniquely attractive to 
> migrating Nighthawks? If the attraction is good rooting and feeding 
> prospects, is there evidence that the birds counted on a particular evening 
> remain in the area a night or two, or do they inevitably move on? Finally, is 
> there any evidence of significant numbers on other north-facing extensions 
> into Long Island Sound such a Eaton's Neck or Caumsett?
> 
> Angus Wilson
> New York City
> 
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 8:42 AM TURNER < redk...@optonline.net 
> mailto:redk...@optonline.net > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > We had a banner evening with 351 nighthawks passing by the watch, 
> > making it the 2nd highest daily total we've ever recorded.  We had a kettle 
&g

[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

Last two nights at the Nighthawk Watch have been productive:

August 31st - 169 nighthawks, 130 minutes 

September 1st - 177 nighthawks, 130 minutes

Year-to-date total so far: 1267 nighthawks, 775 minutes, 1.63 birds per minute)


John Turner


Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch Directions: Long Island Expressway to Nicolls Road 
(Exit 62). Take Nicolls Road north to the end where it joins State Route 25A. 
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch Results - August 30th

[TURNER]

Things cooled off quite a bit bird wise last night with "only" 39 nighthawks 
being seen in 139 minutes of recorded time with all the birds south of the 
south pond providing only a few satisfying views. Eighteen participants took 
part

John T. 

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch Results - August 29th

[TURNER]

We recorded the second highest total ever last night (breaking the previous 
second highest total established the night before) with 487 nighthawks seen, 
including a kettle of 94 birds. Several dozen chimney swifts actively fed over 
the ponds during the entire time. Nineteen facemask-wearing, 
socially-distancing participants watched the show. 

For those interested, the current issue of The Kingbird has an article on the 
SBNW which Patrice Domeischel and I co-authored; it summarizes the results of 
the first three years of the watch (it follows and updates an earlier article I 
wrote on the first year results).  

John Turner


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Make a right heading east on 25A. Make left at first light onto Main Street. 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] StoneBridge Nighthawk results - 8/28

[TURNER]

The Nighthawk Watch is actually in Setauket near Stony Brook. 

Directions: Long Island Expressway to Nicolls Road (Exit 62). Take Nicolls Road 
north to the end where it joins State Route 25A. Make a right heading east on 
25A. Make left at first light onto Main Street. Take this north to end where it 
forms a t-intersection. Look to left and you'll see the stone bridge crossing 
over water. Make a right and immediately find a parking space on the road 
across from or near the old Setauket Post Office.  


John 

> On August 29, 2020 at 9:12 AM "Krinsky, Robert"  wrote:
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> Stony Brook Long Island!  Not far from the University.
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[nysbirds-l] StoneBridge Nighthawk results - 8/28

[TURNER]

We had a banner evening with 351 nighthawks passing by the watch, making it the 
2nd highest daily total we've ever recorded.  We had a kettle of about 130 
birds circling above us at one point. Many swallows and swifts and even some 
laughing gulls were feeding on the insect swarms above us. 

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch results

[TURNER]

The Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch in Setauket, NY, sponsored by the Four Harbors 
Audubon Society and Frank Melville Park, began its fourth year last night with 
44 nighthawks being seen in 106 minutes. Unfortunately with the powerful 
weather front that came through, bringing drenching rains, we had to cut the 
watch short. We enjoyed an adult bald eagle that came into a nearby Norway 
Spruce and perched for 10-15 minutes in full view...

The Watch runs through to October 6th, beginning at 5:30 each evening. Hope you 
can make it down if you are a fan of goatsuckers! 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area

[TURNER]

Joe is influential and a good man. 

> On May 19, 2020 at 4:45 PM Gus Keri  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot, Joe. This is great.
> I didn't think it was possible.
> 
> 
> Sent using Zoho Mail
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> 
>   On Tue, 19 May 2020 16:36:34 -0400 Joe Jannsen  wrote 
> 
>  > 
>  > Gus,
>  >  
>  > I reached out to a Gateway contact to see if they can get this nest 
> protected.
>  >  
>  > Thanks.
>  >  
>  > Joe
>  >  
>  > From: bounce-124641923-10871...@list.cornell.edu 
> On Behalf Of Gus Keri
>  > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:47 PM
>  > To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert 
>  > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Oystercatcher nest in unprotected area
>  >  
>  > Hi everyone,
>  > 
>  > I know we are not supposed to reveal nesting locations but I think 
> everyone who is going to visit Plumb beach should be aware of this one. I 
> have never seen a nest in this place which is not protected and have many 
> people and dogs roaming the beach.
>  > 
>  > Today, I found an Oystercatcher nest in a very open area where birders 
> walk sometimes. I know because I walked this area many time before, 
> particularly, in search of Sparrows. And it is very easy for any one to step 
> over the eggs accidently.
>  > 
>  > The nest is located at the far east end, near the large wooden board. I 
> posted few photos on my eBird list to make it easy to find the nest.
>  > You can see them here: https://ebird.org/checklist/S69331372
>  > 
>  > Unfortunately, nothing can be done about off-leash dogs which is a common 
> problem in this place. Although, for some reason, I have not run into any 
> dogs during my last two visits. I don't know if the social distancing 
> secondary to the Coronavirus has any thing to do with.
>  > 
>  > I have a reason to believe that social distancing and stay-at-home policy 
> have allowed for the Oystercatchers to build a nest on this beach.
>  > 
>  > So, please, If you are planning to go to Plumb beach, watch your steps.
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>  > Gus Keri
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[nysbirds-l] Hunters Garden in Eastport, LI, NY

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A late morning birding trip to Hunters Garden proved both quiet and productive. 
Highlights included numerous singing ovenbirds; several pine warblers involved 
in what appeared to be territorial skirmishes as they sort out boundaries; a 
hermit thrush that provided several close-up looks; a blue-grey gnatcatcher 
building a nest already adorned with lichens; a flicker excavating a cavity; a 
drop dead prolonged view of a radiant, male northern parula; a pair of chipping 
sparrows; and what I assume to be a mated pair of scarlet tanagers alongside 
the road on the way in, with both flying down to the road to catch insects. 
Also, several Spring Azures, several skippers patrolling up and down the sandy 
road, a Painted Lady, and what appeared to be an elfin species although I 
couldn't identify it as to species.

Ran into Steve Biasetti and friends who saw wood thrush, and several other 
warbler species. 


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RE: [nysbirds-l] spring arrivals: Eastern Phoebe

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Hi Shai: Bearberry does that to a lot of birds.
One of the carpeting plants in the 50,000 acre LI pine barrens preserve.  

John 

> On March 27, 2020 at 5:43 PM Shaibal Mitra  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bob's and Sarah's report clearly indicates a good flight overnight. Patricia 
> Lindsay and I were fortunate to be able to observe some of this flight 
> further east on the barrier beach of southwestern Suffolk County. 
> Particularly abundant here were Slate-colored Juncos, Song Sparrows, 
> Golden-crowned Kinglets, and Yellow-shafted Flickers; also included were two 
> each of Phoebe, Brown Creeper, and Field Sparrow, and best of all was a 
> Vesper Sparrow (singing!) from a little patch of Arctostaphylos moorland on 
> Captree Island (nice looking spot, but not a chance of local breeding).
> 
> We walked around a little between Robert Moses SP golf course and Democrat 
> Point; it was a good day because we learned a little bit more about our 
> patch, watching how westward-moving Flickers, Golden-crowned Kinglets, and 
> Myrtle Warblers behave at the puckerbrush-moorland ecotone.
> 
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-124500941-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
> [bounce-124500941-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Robert Paxton 
> [r...@columbia.edu]
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 5:28 PM
> To: NYSBIRDS
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] spring arrivals: Eastern Phoebe
> 
> We found eleven Eastern Phoebes in about a half-mile (120th street to 110th 
> street) at the  north end of Riverside Park, Manhattan, in about an hour (4 
> to 5 p.m). We found none in a similar walk yesterday. No other spring 
> migrants observed today.
>   Bob Paxton and Sarah Plimpton
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Re: [nysbirds-l] (Over)Certainty in eBird reports (Brooklyn Painted Bunting info)

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it was a shallow hole.


> On February 13, 2020 at 8:32 AM Bob Grover  wrote:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Banded herring gull - blue point NY

[TURNER]

Well, the value of banding.we now know about more about gull longevity.

> On January 15, 2020 at 12:22 AM leorm...@gmail.com mailto:leorm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> A photo of a banded ring-billed gull taken atop someone’s car at the 
> Town’s dock in Blue Point (just west of Corey Beach) was recently posted on a 
> Facebook group.
> 
> After entering the data on the USGS site, i received notification 
> (remarkably in just 12 hours) that the bird was banded in Varennes Quebec 
> (just outside Montreal) in 2014 and that the bird was hatched in 2011 or 
> earlier.
> * Luke
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Greater white-fronted goose. Hook Pond, East Hampton

[TURNER]

horned grebe?


> On January 2, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bruce Horwith  wrote:
> 
> I checked out Hook Pond, looking for tundra swan, where it shows up 
> pretty reliably each year. No swans, but 1 greater white-fronted goose among 
> several hundred Canada. It had a pinkish-gray bill, no orange evident. Also 
> present, 1 grey ghost, 1 bald eagle (like several other spots on LI, you can 
> expect to see bald eagle in East Hampton year round now), 8 hooded grebe, 3 
> common mergansers, 4 gadwall, several black ducks and a few mallard.
>   
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cuomo vetoes bird-friendly buildings bill

[TURNER]

All of us who have been working on this (Audubon New York, many NY Audubon 
chapters, NYSOA, Seatuck Env. Assn. and others) will regroup and work with the 
Governor's office and Assemblyman Englebright and Senator Hoylman that 
addresses all the expressed concerns. On the positive side the Governor has 
expressed interest in dealing with this issue. It's highly unfortunate the DEC 
never expressed any concern to the sponsors or advocates during the process 
which would have, obviously, provided us with the opportunity to work through 
the issues. But enough of this, as I know advocacy for legislation is not the 
purpose of the Listserve.

John


> On November 21, 2019 at 9:16 PM Tim Dunn  wrote:
> 
> You’re right. 
> 
> Maybe a pared down version and some trimming of the “problem” provisions 
> could get something passed though. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim Dunn
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > > On Nov 21, 2019, at 7:56 PM, TURNER  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > >  problematic my ass.
> > 
> > 
> > > > > On November 21, 2019 at 3:09 PM Christina Wilkinson 
> >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > FYI:
> > > 
> > > State legislation that sought to promote bird-friendly 
> > > building facades was shot down by Gov. Andrew Cuomo who vetoed the 
> > > “problematic” effort this week.
> > > 
> > > https://ny.curbed.com/2019/11/21/20975012/new-york-bird-friendly-buildings-veto-andrew-cuomo
> > >  
> > > https://ny.curbed.com/2019/11/21/20975012/new-york-bird-friendly-buildings-veto-andrew-cuomo
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cuomo vetoes bird-friendly buildings bill

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problematic my ass.


> On November 21, 2019 at 3:09 PM Christina Wilkinson  
> wrote:
> 
> FYI:
> 
> State legislation that sought to promote bird-friendly building facades 
> was shot down by Gov. Andrew Cuomo who vetoed the “problematic” effort this 
> week.
> 
> https://ny.curbed.com/2019/11/21/20975012/new-york-bird-friendly-buildings-veto-andrew-cuomo
>  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Brown Pelican and Golden-crowned Sparrow still around?

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Andrew: The GCS was under the feeder through yesterday. Haven't seen any 
reports today. Given the abundant food there I'd suspect he'll stick around 
fora while; don't know about the pelican.
John T.


> On November 18, 2019 at 11:39 AM Andrew Block  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if the Brown Pelican in Montauk and the Golden-crowned 
> Sparrow are still around?  I was thinking of going for them tomorrow if they 
> are still there.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew 
> 
> Andrew v. F. Block
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Osprey and bald eagle - e Patchogue

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did he get it?

> On October 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM leorm...@gmail.com mailto:leorm...@gmail.com 
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> 
> This afternoon I had the good fortune of watching an osprey fly overhead 
> with a fish in its talons. Moments later an adult bald eagle followed lazily 
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

Sixteen observers came out on Sunday night, the last night of the Nighthawk 
Watch, to look for nighthawks but were, alas, disappointed since none were 
observed. As a consolation prize several species of "winter" ducks have arrived 
in the pond next to the watch including Northern Shoveler, A. Wigeon both of 
which displayed males coming out of eclipse plumage.  

For the season (August 27th-October 6th) we saw 2,757 nighthawks in 4,276 
minutes logged, an average of .644 birds per minute. This figure was well above 
the totals for 2017 and 2018 in which we saw 2,046 and 2,018 birds, at a rate 
of .513 and.499 birds per minute, respectively. 

Thank you for coming out and participating. Hopefully, we'll see many of you 
again next year.  The Nighthawk Watch has become one of the go-to social events 
of the Three Village Area!! 

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

Last night we had a highly productive count with 237 nighthawks coming through. 
Typically, by early October the numbers start waning so the total for 10/1 was 
a large surprise. Will be curious to see how the weather over the next couple 
of days affects the count. 

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch, Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

September 25th- 92 nighthawks, 97 minutes (2165 nighthawks, 3316 minutes)

September 26th- 15 nighthawks, 87 minutes (2180 nighthawks, 3403 minutes)

September 27th- 172 nighthawks, 95 minutes. (2352 nighthawks, 3498 minutes)

September 28th- 90 nighthawks, 92 minutes (2442 nighthawks, 3590 minutes) 

The last four nights have remained productive with the totals shown above.  The 
Watch has established a new seasonal total for the number of nighthawks seen 
with 2,442 birds seen to date, breaking the 2017 high total of 2,046 birds, and 
we still have eight more days to go!  (We saw 2018 nighthawks in 2018)

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

Another productive night with stunning skies and clouds with 152 nighthawks 
flying through it. We've now passed 2,000 birds.saw the red bat 
again..we were joined by Spike Millington, Vice President and Director of 
the Asia Program at the International Crane Foundation. 


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch correction

[TURNER]

Oops!...make that rectrices, not remiges.having taught Ornithology you'd 
think I wouldn't make that mistake!

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

Observers enjoyed another solid day of Caprimulgid viewing with 155 nighthawks 
being tallied. Many birds at medium to low elevations; two more tailless birds 
were observed. 

Relating to this taillessness, the BNA account for this species suggests the 
bird undergoes its definitive basic molt, which is a complete molt, on its 
wintering grounds. This would indicate no molting during migration; thus our 
observations of several tailless birds suggests some other reason for the loss 
of all the tail feathers, such as attempted predation, or that the account is 
wrong, at least as it relates to the remiges. 

Anyone with more information or has thoughts about the tailless birds we're 
seeing can reach me off-line at redk...@optonline.net 
mailto:redk...@optonline.net


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[TURNER]

The Nighthawk Watch was productive tonight. We had 156 nighthawks, often with a 
dozen birds in view at one time; another bird with no tail! The red bat 
appeared again.


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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Things have picked up with yesterday's total of 66 nighthawks and tonight's 
total of 104 birds, after being shut out three days in a row for the first time 
since the Nighthawk Watch began in 2017.  Had a red bat again, perhaps the same 
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch -Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

September 17th - 0 nighthawks  

September 18th - 0 nighthawks

September 19th - 0 nighthawks

September 20th - 66 nighthawks; including another tailless bird. A good view of 
another red bat.


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch, Setauket, NY

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Tonight 5 visitors saw 14 nighthawks and a Cooper's Hawk disturbing a 
mumuration of blackbirds.


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket, NY

[TURNER]

September 12 - 2 nighthawks (rainy and windy)

September 13 - 5 nighthawks

September 14 - 15 nighthawks

September 15 - 27 nighthawks and one highly visible red bat feeding over the 
North Pond in Frank Melville Park!


1,360 nighthawks to date. 


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch, Setauket, NY

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The skies above Frank Melville Park graced us with 95 nighthawks last night 
including the same or yet another tail-less bird. They came through in a steady 
stream of mostly two, three, and four bird groups.


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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Participants saw 151 nighthawks tonight with many good views of overhead birds 
allowing for identification of male, female, and juvenile birds. For the first 
time we had a tail-less nighthawk go by, looking more like a bat than a bird. 
Also had two adult bald eagles.

As of tonight, we've seen 1,216 nighthawks so far this season. 

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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We had 43 birds last night and 139 nighthawks tonight. About a dozen came down 
toward dusk to feed over the pond, providing great views.  Interestingly, 23 
birds headed in the opposite direction - from the southwest to the northeast - 
from what we usually observe.

It was nice to welcome some birders who live in the Big Apple and a reporter 
writing an article on the Watch.


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[nysbirds-l] Recent results at the Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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September 4th – 69 nighthawks

September 5th - 179 nighthawks (with 25 coursing back and forth over the north 
pond at dusk)

September 6th – 3 nighthawks (windy and rainy)

September 7th – 91 nighthawks 


We're coming into what should be the best week at the watch. On tomorrow's date 
in 2017 we set the all-time total of 573 nighthawks.. 


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The Watch produced 88 nighthawks tonight with a nice closing show of 9 birds 
coming down lower and feeding over the north pond along with a few swallows and 
swifts.


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Fourteen birders afflicted with nighthawk fever came to the watch and saw 30 
birds tonight.


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Re: [nysbirds-l] More Nighthawks

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We had 30 at the Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch


> On August 31, 2019 at 9:22 PM Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> 
> I covered the Quaker Ridge Hawk Watch at the Greenwich Audubon Center 
> this afternoon, which was really about putting myself in position to 
> hopefully watch Common Nighthawk migration later on. That did not disappoint. 
> Between 5:30 and 7:45, I counted 281 (including one group of 72). The busiest 
> time was 6-6:30. Except for what built into a group of 7 feeding in the area 
> for about 20 minutes, all were purposefully moving through in various 
> southerly trajectories. Yes, this site is in Connecticut, but close to the 
> New York border, and should get people thinking about NY locations to watch. 
> The site is also well south of Croton Point, so those would all have been 
> different birds. Who knows how many were moving through on a broad front?
> 
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> 
> Steve Walter
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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch -Setauket

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After batting zero in Wednesday's rainy watch, we were hoping the skies would 
be filled with nighthawks on Thursday night. Alas, this was not to be with only 
12 birds tallied...but a better result tonight with 148 nighthawks seen, 
many of which were actively feeding overhead. 


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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The 2019 "Frank Melville Park Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch" in Setauket kicked 
off last night with 20 Common Nighthawks seen. Thousands of grackles swarmed to 
the reed beds in the park to roost for the night and eight wood ducks were seen 
on the ponds.  Many DC Cormorants were seen, virtually all flying from the 
northeast to the southwest, presumably moving from feeding grounds to roosting 
grounds at the Stony Brook Mill Pond. 

The watch will continue, weather permitting, every night until October 6th from 
5:30 p.m. to dusk.


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Suffolk Sightings_8/22/19

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how far is a tad?


> On August 23, 2019 at 2:23 AM robert adamo  wrote:
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> After reading Arie Gilbert's post re: finding an A. Avocet at "Mecox" 
> this AM (although his coordinates put the bird at the Tiana Beach Bay Side 
> Marina, Dune Rd., E. Quogue) I found this Avocet at 4:30 PM, just a tad east 
> of the marina, at the sandy beach built up by the breach caused by our last 
> hurricane. This evening, upon reading the posts of Chris Gangemi and Anthony 
> Collerton, I see we almost assuredly had 2 of this species here on the East 
> End Thursday ! 
> 
> I first saw this species on 6/17/75 in Montana, which was followed by my 
> first in NYS on 8/31/78 at JBWR, and then by my first in Nassau County on 
> 9/24/04, at the Oceanside Marsh. Therefore, today's sighting was quite 
> special for me, being my very first AMAV in Suffolk County...my home county ! 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Does the Hermit Thrush still breed on Long Island???

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Hi David: As a person who does a fair amount of hiking and birding in the LI 
Pine Barrens, it has been many years since I've heard Hermit Thrush singing; 
this is somewhat surprising given the success conservationists have had in 
preserving tens of thousands of acres of suitable habitat.  

John Turner

> On June 28, 2019 at 8:56 AM David Nicosia  wrote:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Eastern Long Island Rarities Today

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It would be worthwhile to know if it had been shot. 

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 09:15 PM, Paul R Sweet wrote:

If anyone picks this bird up we would like to have the specimen.





Thanks, Paul




Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural 
History | Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | 
Mob 718 757 5941



On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:38 PM, David Barrett mailto:mil...@gmail.com> > wrote:











Relevant to the COMMON MURRE not being seen at Shinnecock Inlet, Joe 
Girgente today found and photographed a deceased COMMON MURRE to the 
west of the inlet at Triton Beach and reported it on the Queens and Long 
Island alerts:





https://twitter.com/BirdQueens/status/1085255871377170441 









David Barrett


@BirdQueens on Twitter












On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:25 PM Steve Walter mailto:swalte...@verizon.net> > wrote:









The Thick-billed Murre at Shinnecock Inlet was in sight from about 8:00 
to 9:30 this morning and then again briefly just after 1:30. At least 
one
Razorbill was  in the inlet in the morning, providing closer looks than 
the Murre. To my knowledge, the Common Murre was not seen. 2 or 3
Red-necked Grebes were reported at the mouth of the inlet and further 
out. A bit odd was a Ruddy Duck with Common Eiders (where the inlet 
meets the bay).


 

The American White Pelican was present for a while in Mecox Bay’s 
Hayground Cove, before flying out around 11:20. I t was best viewed when 
someone came out to feed the swans. It was the only big white bird that 
stayed put. Without
  such intervention, it can easily be hidden by the many swans, 
especially if sleeping with head and bill tucked in.


 

With the prospects of better Alcid pictures not looking good as the 
afternoon progressed (none in sight and dimming sun), I decided to do 
the wild goose chase thing. None were visible as I arrived at Doctor’s 
Path (Riverhead). I went over
  to Northville Turnpike (Rt. 105), where I found a small flock (by 
standards of that area) in the field to the east. The
Barnacle Goose was a quick find. Within a few minutes, flock after flock 
and overall huge numbers of geese began coming in from a southwest 
direction, and landing in the large field on the west side of 105. A few 
minutes after that, small groups from
  the east side of 105 (and eventually all of them) joined the larger 
group. I was hoping to photograph the Barnacle flying by. I photographed 
one random flock to test the lighting. Never got the Barnacle, but 
looking at the pictures when I got home revealed
  a Greater White-fronted Goose (pure dump luck there). Possibly, this 
is the one I saw in the west field and reported to the What’s App a few 
minutes later.

 

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] They're back !

[JOHN TURNER]

Bob:  Not many birders are willing to explore the "vulture circuit"; 
you're a brave man!

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 11:58 PM, robert adamo wrote:

I happened to look skyward as I was leaving the Riverhead Library at ~ 
1600 and saw 2 Turkey Vultures circling above. My eyes automatically 
moved to the nearby Roanoke Ave Elementary School, where a another bird 
was resting on the chimney. Driving closer toward the school, I noticed 
7 more TV's on the antennae of the Riverhead Fire Dept building, located 
just across the street from the school. By the time I finished driving 
the entire vulture circuit (and not finding any more) I returned to the 
F.D. (at ~ 1630) all the vultures had moved on !

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[nysbirds-l] 2018 Totals for Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket

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The Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch finished with a whimper with only five 
birds being seen during the last week. The best day was 9/11 when we 306 
nighthawks. 

We saw thousands of blackbirds flying north each day toward the end of 
the count as they headed to roost in the Phragmites stands in Conscience 
Bay and hundreds to thousands of robins flying southeast.  Several 
Peregrines flew by including one bird with prey in its talons. Many 
cormorants passed to the southwest and migrating ospreys both sounth and 
west. Occasional warblers and the daily movements of kingfishers and 
wood ducks. 


Too many balloons, both individually and in bunches, floating by 
though...  


 
Final Totals for 2018 Season: 


2018 birds 
4,041 minutes 
41 Days 
.499 birds per minute 
Best Day: 9/11 - 306 nighthawks


Final Totals for 2017 season:


2,046 nighthawks 
3,984 minutes 
40 Days 
.513 birds per minute

Best Day: 9/8 - 573 nighthawks


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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Despite the steady rain (which passed, providing us with a beautiful and 
strong double rainbow!) we had 114 nighthawks tonight with a dozen 
coming down lower over the pond toward dusk to feed. A wonderful night 
that started out rough...   


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket

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For the last three days we've had these totals at the watch: 


September 15th- 71


September 16th- 77


September 17th- 65


As of tonight we're up to 1,648 nighthawks seen in 2,473 minutes of 
time...


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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57 soggy nighthawks tonight in 98 minutes of time. 

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket

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After several days of little to no action presumably due to the 
inclement weather, the nighthawks arrived today with 306 birds being 
counted. This total represents the second highest total recorded to 
date, eclipsed by the 573-bird day last September 8th. 


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[nysbirds-l] Results for Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket, NY

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September 2nd - 106 nighthawks, 118 minutes
September 3rd - 141 nighthawks, 130 minutes, including 29 birds feeding 
over the north end of the north pond at dusk.  


Stonebridge Nighthawk Watch to date: 


717 birds - 1127 minutes - .636 birds per minute


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch - Setauket, NY

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Tonight, approximately a dozen participants counted 211 Common 
Nighthawks from the stone bridge nighthawk watch. It included three 
kettles of 30 or more nighthawks, including one group of 70 birds. 


We also had an immature Bald Eagle fly over the north pond heading east. 
 


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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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August 28th - 71 birds
August 29th- 74 birds. 
Cold Front on Thursday could make for interesting results on Friday. 


Anyone who comes down gets a beautiful new nighthawk watch pin.


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[nysbirds-l] Setauket Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

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The 2018 season was kicked off last night with 68 nighthawks being seen 
in 141 minutes. Also, many chimney swifts and several dozen laughing 
gulls hawking for insects high over the ponds.


All are welcome.


John Turner  

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[nysbirds-l] Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch Results

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Although the Nighthawk Watch won't start until Monday night, some of us 
can't help ourselves and have been going there before the offical 
kickoff.


We weren't disappointed as we saw 189 nighthawks last night, with one 
"kettle" involving 54 birds. As dusk came on, we had a dozen nighthawks 
and at least two dozen swifts coursing low over the pond and twenty feet 
over the bridge. Then, in the span of about 30 seconds all the birds 
left, making for a remarkable end. 


John Turner 

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[nysbirds-l] Setauket - Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[JOHN TURNER]

Four Harbors Audubon Society kicked off the 2018 field season for the 
Nighthawk Watch at the Stone Bridge at Frank Melville Park with a Power 
Point presentation yesterday at the Red Barn in the Park on the "what", 
"why", "where", "when", and "how" of the Watch. Many of the thirty-five 
or so participants then walked to the bridge to look for nighthawks. We 
had 21 nighthawks pass by, all coming from the south, with thirteen 
 breaking west while a flock of eight broke east. Lots of Chimney Swifts 
as well. 


The Stone Bridge Watch will officially kick off next Monday (8/27) at 
5:30, the same date as last year. All are welcome!


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Nickerson Beach Report.

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Things took a turn for the better today!

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 07:20 PM, Long Island Birding wrote:

Hello all,
To summarize there were 7 tern species seen at Nickerson Beach Today.


Sandwich Tern (found by Doug Futuyma)
Arctic Tern (found by Adelia Honeywood)
Gull-Billed Tern
Forster's Tern 
Roseate Terns
Least Terns 
Common Terns



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RE: [nysbirds-l] Henslows Sparrow redux: Shawangunk Grasslands, NWR (Ulster County)

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I totally agree with Rick. 

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 07:51 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

Karen:  Don’t confuse lack of interest with folks not having enough 
expertise on the topic to feel they are qualified to contribute to the 
discussion (e.g., me).  I for, one, was fascinated, and look forward to 
further developments.
 
Rick Cech
 
P.S.  Also add kudos for the fine tern id discussion, Joe, Shai & 
others. We’re fortunate to have individuals in the community with such 
depths of insight and experience.
 
From: bounce-122638804-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Karen Fung
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:46 PM
To: nysbirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Henslows Sparrow redux: Shawangunk Grasslands, NWR 
(Ulster County)
 
Hi All,
A few weeks ago, I posted a query to the list, noting that this year's 
Henslow's Sparrow at Shawangunk is singing a different song compared to 
the single song recorded by multiple observers last year, and wondering 
if that was enough of an indication that this year's bird is a different 
individual.  That post did not really elicit much interest, based on the 
little feedback I received.

 

Since then, I wrote to a few people directly, including Nathan Pieplow, 
whose book, "Peterson Field Guide to Bird Sounds of Eastern North 
America", was published last year. Am including my direct query to him. 
Nathan agrees that this year's bird is almost certainly a different 
individual, and he gave me permission to post his reply, which you will 
see below.

 

For those interested, the screen shot of the spectrograms that I sent to 
him is now online on my website, in this gallery. You can see from the 
screen shot that the first four spectrograms show a "Mi-Re-Do" sequence 
of notes, and they are all from this year's bird. The remaining 
spectrograms show a "Mi-Do-Re" type sequence of notes. Both three 
syllable "songs", just a different sequence of sounds.

 

https://www.birdsiviews.com/Henslows-Sparrow-Shawangunk-Grasslands/ 


 

If you want to see and play back the entire eBird collection of 
spectrograms and audio files for both Shawangunk birds, the link is 
here:

 

https://ebird.org/media/catalog?taxonCode=henspa&mediaType=a®ion=Ulster,%20New%20York,%20United%20States%20(US)®ionCode=US-NY-111&q=Henslow%27s%20Sparrow%20-%20Ammodramus%20henslowii
 


 

Nathan's reply and my query to him follow here.

 

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Karen,

 

Thanks for the email! I'm very glad you like my book. We need to get 
more people using it!

 

I'm about as certain as I can be that the 2018 bird is a different 
individual than the 2017 bird. Here's why:

·  Henslow's is a poorly studied species. But in the research for my 
book, I never found a documented case of an individual Henslow's 
switching songtypes on a recording.
·  You've got a pretty good sample size of recordings here. I went 
through all the 2018 recordings and every rendition is identical. I 
didn't go through all the 2017 recordings but in my sample, they were 
all identical to each other and different from the 2018 bird.
·  All the 2017 and 2018 recordings in your sample are stereotyped, not 
plastic. This basically ensures the recordings come from adult birds. It 
has been shown in many passerine species that once birds are adults, 
they cannot learn new songs. A few birds have been shown to break this 
rule (like Northern Mockingbird), but it would be a surprise for 
Henslow's Sparrow.
·  The 2017 and 2018 songs differ in many details -- one is not merely a 
truncation of the other. 

This is actually a pretty good test case for the number of songtypes per 
individual Henslow's Sparrow. If birders visit the same bird many times 
over the course of a season and never document any song variation, it's 
very good evidence that each individual has a single songtype. Plus, it 
happens to fit with the little we know about song in Henslow's, and a 
great deal that we know about song in passerines in general.

 

So, I'd say you have a new bird this year.

 


 

Nathan


 
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:59 AM, Karen Fung mailto:easternblueb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear Nathan,

I very much enjoyed your presentation at the Linnaean Society (NY) last 
year, and bought your book as soon as it came out.  I grew up playing 
the piano as a hobby, so am used to seeing sounds presented in visual 
form.  Spectrograms are a great aid in learning bird song!

 

Anyway, I'm writing to hopefully get your thoughts on whether you think 
the male Henslow's Sparrow that is currently singing at Shawangunk 
Grasslands NWR (NY: Ulster County) is a different bird from last year's 
since its spectrogram is slightly different.  See below for part of an 
email that I sent to local birders.  Was to

RE: [nysbirds-l] Riverhead Vulture Roosting Complex

[JOHN TURNER]

i understand you're feeling better?

On Tue, May 01, 2018 at 12:01 AM, robert adamo wrote:

Tonight between 6:45 & 7:00 PM, I drove the above locations.. The only 
birds seen was a single Turkey Vulture in the spruce stand at the 
intersection of Roanoke Ave and Elton St., and 2 Black Vultures on the 
chimney of the Roanoke Ave Elementary School.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Strange place for Osprey nest

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Glenn: I believe that is the 56-acre property owned by the Local 
Engineers of the Teamsters where union members practice using various 
types of heavy duty equipment.


John T. 

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 08:22 PM, GQ wrote:






Strange location for an active Osprey nest. It’s located in some kind of
empty paved construction lot next to a small VFW building on the west 
end of
Victory Ave in Brookhaven (Suffolk), just east of Horseblock Road.


There is a strange structural metal platform, supported by 4 telephone
poles and the nest is on top of this structure. The nest has been there 
all
winter and today an Osprey was on top of it.


This location is not in sight of any water, although the Carman’s River 
is
fairly close to the east, and Wertheim NWF to the south.


I pass it several times a week and there seems to be very few cars 
inside,
can’t imagine what goes on in there.


 


Here are some coordinates: 40.798985, -72.907650


 


Cheers,


 


Glenn Quinn


Hauppauge, NY


 




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RE: [nysbirds-l] Mourning Dove nest

[JOHN TURNER]

Hi Andrew: Interesting observation. That is a very early report. I 
wonder if the light in anyway will affect the birds. BTW - I believe 
mourning doves are not passerines but in a different bird order..

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Block wrote:

I had a Mourning Dove pair on their nest yesterday at my Dad's place in 
Bronxville.  I think that's the earliest I've seen one.  Poor things 
built the nest in a spruce right by one of those annoying very bright 
LED security lights beaming down on them all night.  Cool stuff.  I 
think that's also the earliest I've seen a passerine nest.


Andrew

 
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Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4629 
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon - West Sayville

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Earlier this afternoon I saw a beautiful male Eurasian Wigeon on the 
Mill Pond located on the north side of Montauk Highway just east of West 
Sayville. Not surprisingly, it was associating with several dozen 
American Wigeon. 


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[nysbirds-l] Late Osprey

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While checking out some sites for the possible installation of fish 
passages in northern Nassau County earlier today, I saw an osprey with 
fish in its talons on the pond that feeds the Saddle Rock Grist Mill 
situated on the Great Neck peninsula. This is one of the later dates 
I've had for Osprey on Long Island. 


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[nysbirds-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

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