RE: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Shaibal Mitra]

For the past several years I've focused my spring season reports in North 
American Birds on the curious spike in our Region of records of vagrants and 
half-hardies during March. This generally under-appreciated pattern is not only 
very well-documented but also, I argue, potentially a very significant 
indicator of how birds are responding to our changing environment.

The idea is that as temperatures increase and day length increases rapidly 
during March, birds that have over-wintered in favorable micro-environments 
(often involving feeders) begin to move around. Many of these birds were 
undetected or at least unreported through the winter, but their March movements 
increase the likelihood that they will cross paths with birders.

The basic pattern is very recognizable regardless of whether a particular 
winter survivor belongs to an extralimital species (like Rufous Hummingbird, 
Varied Thrush, Painted Bunting, or Black-headed Grosbeak) or a regularly 
occurring breeder/migrant that normally winters far to the south (like 
Orange-crowned Warbler, Northern Parula, or Rose-breasted Grosbeak): if people 
were aware of the bird through the winter, it abruptly disappears during March; 
at the same time, previously undetected birds begin to be reported as they roam 
around. The parallel between vagrant species and half-hardies implies that the 
two groups might be doing something similar--and that the "vagrants" might be 
doing more than being lost.

Anyway, regarding the following chestnut, I'd say that the accumulation of data 
strongly supports the over-wintering hypothesis.

From: Shaibal Mitra [mi...@mail.csi.cuny.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:37 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Rose-breasted Grosbeak, Bay Shore, Suffolk County

Pat Lindsay just called with news of a young male Rose-breasted Grosbeak 
singing at Gardiner County Park, which is essentially due north across Great 
South Bay from Fire Island Lighthouse. Her description rules out Black-headed 
Grosbeak, but the question of whether this bird wintered locally or just 
arrived from afar can probably only be settled if other Neotropical 
Cardinalids, tanagers, etc. show up coastally today or tomorrow.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore, NY


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[editcon...@aol.com]

Sorry - meant to add this to the thread. 

NYBG has been frozen, as much of the NYC area. Our crabapples and any other 
fruit/seed producing trees have been stripped bare with some strands left. If 
the grosbeak over wintered at the zoo there would have been more available 
food. 

In the last two weeks NYBG had a weak migration of grackles, red winged 
blackbirds and rusty blackbirds. 

The earliest record I have of a grosbeak at NYBG is mid -April from 1998 which 
was a very warm winter and early spring. 

Debbie Becker





On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Hugh McGuinness  wrote:

To further support the over-wintering hypothesis, we would predict that if this 
were a migrant, there would currently be a spate of records along the Gulf 
Coast. Checking e-bird, there are exactly two March 2015 records for the 
species, with none in the Caribbean.

Hugh

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Joe DiCostanzo  wrote:
> As Gabriel Willow and Tom Fiore have already pointed out, given the proximity 
> of the New York Botanical Garden to the Bronx Zoo where a female 
> Rose-breasted Grosbeak was reported on December 28 and February 17, this is 
> far more likely to be that same individual than an early arrival from the 
> species’ Neotropical wintering area. Though extremely rare in winter locally, 
> the species is not unprecedented at that season. I found an immature male 
> Rose-breasted in the southern part of the Botanical Garden, across the road 
> from the Bronx Zoo on the CBC 32 years ago on December 26, 1982. In the 
> species account in Bull’s Birds of New York State (1998), Bob McKinney 
> reports : “… there are many CBC reports and many other records of individuals 
> persisting for several weeks or longer with food available at feeders.” In 
> his earlier Birds of New York State (1974), John Bull says the species has 
> been recorded during the winter months, but that he wondered about the 
> possibility of confusion with Black-headed Grosbeak. However, he does cite 
> two mid-winter undoubted occurrences: 1) a bird at a feeder in Dunkirk, 
> December 1965 to late January 1966, seen by many, and 2) a male filmed at a 
> feeder in Poughkeepsie December 25, 1966 to January 12, 1967. In some 
> neighboring states, Dick Veit and Wayne Peterson in Birds of Massachusetts 
> (1993) record a handful of winter records and a few early March records [also 
> likely to be over-wintering birds]; and Joan Walsh, et al. in Birds of New 
> Jersey (1999) after reporting four CBC records state: “There are also a few 
> mid-winter reports, mainly of birds appearing at feeders.”
> 
>  
> 
> While the above records show that the species has overwintered in the 
> Northeast on rare occasions, it is truly remarkable that this individual 
> apparently managed the feat in the at times brutally cold and snowy winter we 
> have just gone through!
> 
>  
> 
> Joe DiCostanzo
> 
> www.greatgullisland.org
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> From: bounce-118934956-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-118934956-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sharron 
> Crocker
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> To: Birds - nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
> Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Hugh McGuinness]

To further support the over-wintering hypothesis, we would predict that if
this were a migrant, there would currently be a spate of records along the
Gulf Coast. Checking e-bird, there are exactly two March 2015 records for
the species, with none in the Caribbean.

Hugh

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Joe DiCostanzo  wrote:

> As Gabriel Willow and Tom Fiore have already pointed out, given the
> proximity of the New York Botanical Garden to the Bronx Zoo where a female
> Rose-breasted Grosbeak was reported on December 28 and February 17, this is
> far more likely to be that same individual than an early arrival from the
> species’ Neotropical wintering area. Though extremely rare in winter
> locally, the species is not unprecedented at that season. I found an
> immature male Rose-breasted in the southern part of the Botanical Garden,
> across the road from the Bronx Zoo on the CBC 32 years ago on December 26,
> 1982. In the species account in *Bull’s Birds of New York State* (1998),
> Bob McKinney reports : “… there are many CBC reports and many other records
> of individuals persisting for several weeks or longer with food available
> at feeders.” In his earlier *Birds of New York State* (1974), John Bull
> says the species has been recorded during the winter months, but that he
> wondered about the possibility of confusion with Black-headed Grosbeak.
> However, he does cite two mid-winter undoubted occurrences: 1) a bird at a
> feeder in Dunkirk, December 1965 to late January 1966, seen by many, and 2)
> a male filmed at a feeder in Poughkeepsie December 25, 1966 to January 12,
> 1967. In some neighboring states, Dick Veit and Wayne Peterson in Birds of
> Massachusetts (1993) record a handful of winter records and a few early
> March records [also likely to be over-wintering birds]; and Joan Walsh, et
> al. in *Birds of New Jersey* (1999) after reporting four CBC records
> state: “There are also a few mid-winter reports, mainly of birds appearing
> at feeders.”
>
>
>
> While the above records show that the species has overwintered in the
> Northeast on rare occasions, it is truly remarkable that this individual
> apparently managed the feat in the at times brutally cold and snowy winter
> we have just gone through!
>
>
>
> Joe DiCostanzo
>
> www.greatgullisland.org
>
> www.inwoodbirder.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-118934956-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 6:37 PM
> *To:* Birds - nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
> *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
>
>
>
>
> I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden,
> Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands)
> ...
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Hugh McGuinness]

To further support the over-wintering hypothesis, we would predict that if
this were a migrant, there would currently be a spate of records along the
Gulf Coast. Checking e-bird, there are exactly two March 2015 records for
the species, with none in the Caribbean.

Hugh

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Joe DiCostanzo jdic...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 As Gabriel Willow and Tom Fiore have already pointed out, given the
 proximity of the New York Botanical Garden to the Bronx Zoo where a female
 Rose-breasted Grosbeak was reported on December 28 and February 17, this is
 far more likely to be that same individual than an early arrival from the
 species’ Neotropical wintering area. Though extremely rare in winter
 locally, the species is not unprecedented at that season. I found an
 immature male Rose-breasted in the southern part of the Botanical Garden,
 across the road from the Bronx Zoo on the CBC 32 years ago on December 26,
 1982. In the species account in *Bull’s Birds of New York State* (1998),
 Bob McKinney reports : “… there are many CBC reports and many other records
 of individuals persisting for several weeks or longer with food available
 at feeders.” In his earlier *Birds of New York State* (1974), John Bull
 says the species has been recorded during the winter months, but that he
 wondered about the possibility of confusion with Black-headed Grosbeak.
 However, he does cite two mid-winter undoubted occurrences: 1) a bird at a
 feeder in Dunkirk, December 1965 to late January 1966, seen by many, and 2)
 a male filmed at a feeder in Poughkeepsie December 25, 1966 to January 12,
 1967. In some neighboring states, Dick Veit and Wayne Peterson in Birds of
 Massachusetts (1993) record a handful of winter records and a few early
 March records [also likely to be over-wintering birds]; and Joan Walsh, et
 al. in *Birds of New Jersey* (1999) after reporting four CBC records
 state: “There are also a few mid-winter reports, mainly of birds appearing
 at feeders.”



 While the above records show that the species has overwintered in the
 Northeast on rare occasions, it is truly remarkable that this individual
 apparently managed the feat in the at times brutally cold and snowy winter
 we have just gone through!



 Joe DiCostanzo

 www.greatgullisland.org

 www.inwoodbirder.blogspot.com



 *From:* bounce-118934956-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
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 *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak




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RE: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Shaibal Mitra]

For the past several years I've focused my spring season reports in North 
American Birds on the curious spike in our Region of records of vagrants and 
half-hardies during March. This generally under-appreciated pattern is not only 
very well-documented but also, I argue, potentially a very significant 
indicator of how birds are responding to our changing environment.

The idea is that as temperatures increase and day length increases rapidly 
during March, birds that have over-wintered in favorable micro-environments 
(often involving feeders) begin to move around. Many of these birds were 
undetected or at least unreported through the winter, but their March movements 
increase the likelihood that they will cross paths with birders.

The basic pattern is very recognizable regardless of whether a particular 
winter survivor belongs to an extralimital species (like Rufous Hummingbird, 
Varied Thrush, Painted Bunting, or Black-headed Grosbeak) or a regularly 
occurring breeder/migrant that normally winters far to the south (like 
Orange-crowned Warbler, Northern Parula, or Rose-breasted Grosbeak): if people 
were aware of the bird through the winter, it abruptly disappears during March; 
at the same time, previously undetected birds begin to be reported as they roam 
around. The parallel between vagrant species and half-hardies implies that the 
two groups might be doing something similar--and that the vagrants might be 
doing more than being lost.

Anyway, regarding the following chestnut, I'd say that the accumulation of data 
strongly supports the over-wintering hypothesis.

From: Shaibal Mitra [mi...@mail.csi.cuny.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:37 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Rose-breasted Grosbeak, Bay Shore, Suffolk County

Pat Lindsay just called with news of a young male Rose-breasted Grosbeak 
singing at Gardiner County Park, which is essentially due north across Great 
South Bay from Fire Island Lighthouse. Her description rules out Black-headed 
Grosbeak, but the question of whether this bird wintered locally or just 
arrived from afar can probably only be settled if other Neotropical 
Cardinalids, tanagers, etc. show up coastally today or tomorrow.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Joe DiCostanzo]

As Gabriel Willow and Tom Fiore have already pointed out, given the proximity 
of the New York Botanical Garden to the Bronx Zoo where a female Rose-breasted 
Grosbeak was reported on December 28 and February 17, this is far more likely 
to be that same individual than an early arrival from the species’ Neotropical 
wintering area. Though extremely rare in winter locally, the species is not 
unprecedented at that season. I found an immature male Rose-breasted in the 
southern part of the Botanical Garden, across the road from the Bronx Zoo on 
the CBC 32 years ago on December 26, 1982. In the species account in Bull’s 
Birds of New York State (1998), Bob McKinney reports : “… there are many CBC 
reports and many other records of individuals persisting for several weeks or 
longer with food available at feeders.” In his earlier Birds of New York State 
(1974), John Bull says the species has been recorded during the winter months, 
but that he wondered about the possibility of confusion with Black-headed 
Grosbeak. However, he does cite two mid-winter undoubted occurrences: 1) a bird 
at a feeder in Dunkirk, December 1965 to late January 1966, seen by many, and 
2) a male filmed at a feeder in Poughkeepsie December 25, 1966 to January 12, 
1967. In some neighboring states, Dick Veit and Wayne Peterson in Birds of 
Massachusetts (1993) record a handful of winter records and a few early March 
records [also likely to be over-wintering birds]; and Joan Walsh, et al. in 
Birds of New Jersey (1999) after reporting four CBC records state: “There are 
also a few mid-winter reports, mainly of birds appearing at feeders.”

 

While the above records show that the species has overwintered in the Northeast 
on rare occasions, it is truly remarkable that this individual apparently 
managed the feat in the at times brutally cold and snowy winter we have just 
gone through!

 

Joe DiCostanzo

  www.greatgullisland.org

  www.inwoodbirder.blogspot.com

 

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

 




I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[gabriel willow]

There was a female-type Rose-breasted Grosbeak reported from the Bronx Zoo on 
Feb. 17.  That's quite close to NYBG, I wonder if she is the same bird who 
survived the past three weeks or so?  Seems likely.  And if so, I'd guess she 
overwintered, rather than being an early arrival.  There's a photo of the Zoo 
bird on eBird, perhaps it could be determined if it's the same individual by 
molt or plumage details?
Good sighting!
Gabriel WillowNYC Audubon 

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 6:47 PM, Zach Schwartz-Weinstein 
 wrote:
   

 There's a photo on Facebook and it's definitely a Grosbeak.


On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Will Raup  wrote:


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It's an almost an extraordinary sighting.
Typical arrival times is late April downstate, and around May 1st for areas 
south of the Adirondacks.
Was female Purple Finch ruled out?  They seem to be moving right now.
Any photos?
Will RaupGlenmont, NY

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:36:54 -0400
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
From: croc...@gmail.com
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu


I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...

Sharron Crocker
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Zach Schwartz-Weinstein]

There's a photo on Facebook and it's definitely a Grosbeak.


> On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Will Raup  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's an almost an extraordinary sighting.
> 
> Typical arrival times is late April downstate, and around May 1st for areas 
> south of the Adirondacks.
> 
> Was female Purple Finch ruled out?  They seem to be moving right now.
> 
> Any photos?
> 
> Will Raup
> Glenmont, NY
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:36:54 -0400
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
> From: croc...@gmail.com
> To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
> 
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> I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Will Raup]

It's an almost an extraordinary sighting.
Typical arrival times is late April downstate, and around May 1st for areas 
south of the Adirondacks.
Was female Purple Finch ruled out?  They seem to be moving right now.
Any photos?
Will RaupGlenmont, NYDate: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:36:54 -0400
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
From: croc...@gmail.com
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu

I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...

Sharron Crocker
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Zach Schwartz-Weinstein]

There's a photo on Facebook and it's definitely a Grosbeak.


 On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 It's an almost an extraordinary sighting.
 
 Typical arrival times is late April downstate, and around May 1st for areas 
 south of the Adirondacks.
 
 Was female Purple Finch ruled out?  They seem to be moving right now.
 
 Any photos?
 
 Will Raup
 Glenmont, NY
 
 
 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:36:54 -0400
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
 From: croc...@gmail.com
 To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
 
 
 I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
 Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...
 
 Sharron Crocker
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Joe DiCostanzo]

As Gabriel Willow and Tom Fiore have already pointed out, given the proximity 
of the New York Botanical Garden to the Bronx Zoo where a female Rose-breasted 
Grosbeak was reported on December 28 and February 17, this is far more likely 
to be that same individual than an early arrival from the species’ Neotropical 
wintering area. Though extremely rare in winter locally, the species is not 
unprecedented at that season. I found an immature male Rose-breasted in the 
southern part of the Botanical Garden, across the road from the Bronx Zoo on 
the CBC 32 years ago on December 26, 1982. In the species account in Bull’s 
Birds of New York State (1998), Bob McKinney reports : “… there are many CBC 
reports and many other records of individuals persisting for several weeks or 
longer with food available at feeders.” In his earlier Birds of New York State 
(1974), John Bull says the species has been recorded during the winter months, 
but that he wondered about the possibility of confusion with Black-headed 
Grosbeak. However, he does cite two mid-winter undoubted occurrences: 1) a bird 
at a feeder in Dunkirk, December 1965 to late January 1966, seen by many, and 
2) a male filmed at a feeder in Poughkeepsie December 25, 1966 to January 12, 
1967. In some neighboring states, Dick Veit and Wayne Peterson in Birds of 
Massachusetts (1993) record a handful of winter records and a few early March 
records [also likely to be over-wintering birds]; and Joan Walsh, et al. in 
Birds of New Jersey (1999) after reporting four CBC records state: “There are 
also a few mid-winter reports, mainly of birds appearing at feeders.”

 

While the above records show that the species has overwintered in the Northeast 
on rare occasions, it is truly remarkable that this individual apparently 
managed the feat in the at times brutally cold and snowy winter we have just 
gone through!

 

Joe DiCostanzo

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 http://www.inwoodbirder.blogspot.com www.inwoodbirder.blogspot.com

 

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

 




I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[gabriel willow]

There was a female-type Rose-breasted Grosbeak reported from the Bronx Zoo on 
Feb. 17.  That's quite close to NYBG, I wonder if she is the same bird who 
survived the past three weeks or so?  Seems likely.  And if so, I'd guess she 
overwintered, rather than being an early arrival.  There's a photo of the Zoo 
bird on eBird, perhaps it could be determined if it's the same individual by 
molt or plumage details?
Good sighting!
Gabriel WillowNYC Audubon 

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 6:47 PM, Zach Schwartz-Weinstein 
zac...@gmail.com wrote:
   

 There's a photo on Facebook and it's definitely a Grosbeak.


On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:


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It's an almost an extraordinary sighting.
Typical arrival times is late April downstate, and around May 1st for areas 
south of the Adirondacks.
Was female Purple Finch ruled out?  They seem to be moving right now.
Any photos?
Will RaupGlenmont, NY

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:36:54 -0400
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
From: croc...@gmail.com
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu


I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...

Sharron Crocker
NYC

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak

[Will Raup]

It's an almost an extraordinary sighting.
Typical arrival times is late April downstate, and around May 1st for areas 
south of the Adirondacks.
Was female Purple Finch ruled out?  They seem to be moving right now.
Any photos?
Will RaupGlenmont, NYDate: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:36:54 -0400
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Female Rose Breasted Grosbeak
From: croc...@gmail.com
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu

I've been told that this is an early sighting.  New York Botanical Garden, 
Bronx, NY, Thursday 3/12/15 around 2:00 at the swamp (Mitsubishi Wetlands) ...

Sharron Crocker
NYC

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