Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: INCO : LABA CUMAN 10 TRriliun

[Jacky Lie]

Kalau beli inco besok misalnya, dpt hak dividen gak ya!
   
  Salam,
  

tbumi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Forever Apprentice 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> INCO sekarang udah kemahalan? :) ... we shall see who, among the 
major brokerage firms, is the real master in base metals market future 
predictions ;)
> 
> 
> SIP : TBUMI
1 lembar saham INCO saat ini masih lebih murah dari satu bungkus
nasi padang dgn ayam yg dijual oleh pedangang kaki lima. Jangan 
lupa asset INCO 24T dan profit 8T, sedangkan asset warung beserta
isinya dari pedagang kaki lima tidak sampai 20 juta rupiah. 
Naik atau turun harga saham tergantung dari harga komoditi di pasar
international dan jangan lupa juga bursa regional juga sangat 
penting menentukan arah harga saham tsb. 



 

   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Commodity buble?

[Jacky]

Teman2 ada yg bisa memberitahu emiten apa saja
yg bergerak di bidang commodity di BEI.

Contoh:
CPO: AALI, LSIP, SGRO, UNSP, TBLA
CORN: BISI
COCOA: DAVO
SOYBEAN:
SUGAR:
WHEAT:
COTTON:

Tolong tambahkan jika ada yg mengetahu emiten2 tsb.

Kalo teman2 lebih prefer invest di saham berbau
commodity atau index commodity? Kenapa?

Sudah dari taun brp commodity start booming? 

Thanks very much,

Jacky
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Arpand
Date: 02/27/08 09:07:56
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Commodity buble?
 
Om DE, kalo jagung, kedele, dan terigu masuk di commodity buble juga kah?
kalo pada turun, cpro, cpin dan indf jadi membaik cogs nya kah?

salam,
Arif



2008/2/26 Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

COAL
Level 1: BUMI PTBA ITMG
Level 2: UNTR
Level 3: KARK PKPK MYRX CNKO

But my eyes on property/construction :)


Regards,
DE


2008/2/26 Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hm...yg banyak diributin kan selalu Bumi (hati2 jadi saham sejuta umat),
jadi saya assume adiknya adalah Ptba (betul pak DE/Hmin? ) Masa Itmg?  


Heryadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Yang adiknya yang mana Pak Rei?
BUMI or PTBA.
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Rei 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Commodity buble?


Setuju, memang sangat volatile dan buat trader yg timing-nya tepat (hoki),
bisa untung besar sekali. Lagi nunggu saham2 coal naik pesat nih melihat
harga cola yg naik kencang. Nggak dapat kakanya, kejar adiknya khan? ;D 

Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Weleh, itu posting tgl berapa ya... udah profit banyak dong.. tapi kan bukan
berarti unlimited profit.., ada kalanya pasar akan profit taking, kecuali
kita main long term hehe... tapi memang secara HISTORIS, saham komoditi
terutama energy, metal, dan cpo returnya sangat tinggi DAN volatile, jadi
buat yang hobi tektok bisa BOW.

Regards,
DE


2008/2/26 Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Jadi, no more "In commodity, we profit" lagi pak DE? 
Pindah ke kereta apa nih?   



Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lebih tepatnya pindah kereta..

Regards,
DE


2008/2/26 Marcello Djunaidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

jadi siap2 loncat turun kereta Pak DE?


MD


2008/2/26 Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 


Tau aja si Bozz kalau DE mau buyback.. hehe... (ge'er banget)

Santai dulu, kasih jalan buat yang mau profit taking..

Btw, kawan-kawan di US lagi hot bahas commodity bubble.. better watch on
those issues...

Regards,
DE









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[obrolan-bandar] Cheap Palm Oil May Overtake Soy on China Crop Loss, India Sales

[Jacky]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPlJFcgjwB0o&refer=home

Cheap Palm Oil May Overtake Soy on China Crop Loss, India Sales 

By Claire Leow

 Feb. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Palm oil, the world's most-used cooking oil, is also
the cheapest, a discrepancy that won't last long as demand rises across Asia
s biggest countries. 
An ingredient in curries, stir-fries and Skittles candy, Malaysian palm oil
costs 17 percent less than soybean oil on the Chicago Board of Trade. Tobin
Gorey, a commodity strategist at Commonwealth Bank of Australia Ltd. in
Sydney, said the two may soon be even money, raising the prospect of at
least a $1.7 million profit from a $10 million investment. 
Rising incomes mean billions of people in Asia's developing economies seek
palm oil for fried and processed foods, according to the U.S. Department of
Agriculture. Crude oil at $100 a barrel is boosting demand for alternative
fuels such as diesel from vegetable oil. As consumption rises, supply in
China may drop after the worst snowstorms in five decades damaged crops in
January, the government reported. 
``We may have a case of mass shortage of vegetable oil in China,'' said
Rudolphe Roche, a manager at Schroders Plc's $6 billion agricultural
commodities fund in London. ``This means they will continue to import from
the rest of the world.'' Palm oil, produced in Malaysia and Indonesia, will
benefit the most because its proximity to China lowers shipping costs, he
said. 
Rising prices will increase expenses at Nissin Food Products Co., Japan's
biggest instant-noodle maker, and increase profits at Kuala Lumpur-based
Sime Darby Bhd., the world's largest publicly traded owner of palm
plantations. About 36 percent of the world's cooking oil comes from crushed
palm kernels, more than any other plant, USDA data show. 
``Ninety-three percent of all the palm oil in the world is going to food
demand,'' William Doyle, chief executive officer of fertilizer maker Potash
Corp. of Saskatchewan Inc., said in a Feb. 19 interview. ``It's enormously
powerful, and we don't see this backing off.'' 
The Precedent 
The last time palm oil was this cheap, in April 2007, prices rallied for two
months because of increasing demand, gaining 38 percent to 2,855 ringgit
($889) a metric ton on the Malaysia Derivatives Exchange to reach parity
with Chicago prices. Contracts for May delivery ended at 3,698 ringgit a ton
(52 U.S. cents a pound) on Feb. 22 in Malaysia. May soybean oil finished at
63.02 cents a pound on the CBOT. 
``There is no reason why the price of soybean oil and palm oil cannot be the
same,'' said Edgare Kerwijk, chief financial officer for Biox Group BV in
Rotterdam, which has put on hold plans for three biodiesel projects in the
Netherlands and the U.K. due to higher prices. ``The discount will narrow''
for palm oil, he said. 
U.S. manufacturers will increase consumption of soybean oil for energy by 22
percent to 3.4 million pounds in the 2007-2008 marketing year, the USDA
forecasts. The total equals 16 percent of U.S. use. 
Food Inflation 
Soaring food prices are fueling inflation. China's consumer-price gains
accelerated to 7.1 percent in January, the fastest pace in more than 11
years, the statistics bureau said Feb. 19. U.S. inflation quickened to 4.3
percent in January from 4.1 percent in December, the Labor Department said
Feb. 20. 
China's January snowstorms and rains, the worst in 50 years, affected as
much as 48 million mu (7.9 million acres) of rapeseed crops, almost half the
total area planted, the China National Grain and Oils Information Center
said Feb. 14. 
China, the biggest annual buyer of cooking oils, raised palm oil imports 18
percent in January to 360,000 metric tons, compared with a year earlier,
according to customs figures. India boosted imports 75 percent to 366,353
tons that month, and imports of all cooking oils may gain 15 percent to 5.4
million tons in the year ending Oct. 31, according to a Bloomberg News
survey of six traders and analysts. 
U.S. Imports 
``With the strong demand coming from the substitution effect this year, the
discount should narrow further from here,'' said Ben Santoso, a plantations
analyst at the brokerage arm of DBS Group Holdings, Singapore's largest bank
 He said palm oil may reach the same level as soy. 
Even the U.S., the world's largest soybean grower and exporter, is buying
more palm oil. Soyoil is hydrogenated in some foods to make them last longer
on store shelves, a process resulting in trans-fats that may raise the risk
of heart disease, according to the Food and Drug Administration. 
``Trans-fats are a big reason for more palm oil imports,'' Anne Frick, a
senior oilseed analyst for Prudential Financial Inc. in New York, said in a
Feb. 20 e-mail. 
U.S. palm oil imports may rise 13 percent to 790,000 tons in the 2007-2008
marketing season after a 17 percent gain the previous year, according to the
USDA. 
Less Momentum 
To be sure, world production of palm oil will gain 10 percen

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Kabarnya Harga CPO dan COAL

[Jacky]

CPO LAST: 3905 MYR
COAL ARA INDEX 22-Feb-08: 145.54 

 
---Original Message---
 
From: hendrik_lwww
Date: 02/25/08 12:58:31
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Kabarnya Harga CPO dan COAL
 
Kabarnya harga CPO dan COAL hari ini brapa ya??? Katanya CPO tembus 
3800 ya???

HAri ini saham2 CPO pada kenceng pisan ya.. Kok malah mining yang rada 
memble, sesi 2 gimana ya???


 
 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Selamat buat Bung DE!

[Jacky]

 
congratz bro DE...nice...
after valentine's day lg yah...
ihsg langsung ijo...ternyata bro DE bagi2 angpao :D
 
 
 
> 2008/2/19 Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Btw, saya lagi menikmati rintik hujan, plus segelas kopi ditemani 
seorang
> > gadis cantik berumur 4 hari.. hehe... my newborn baby girl... 
jadinya
> > begadang mulu nih...brr...
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > DE
> >


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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To Pak SB : Average Down 1,2,3,5,8

[Jacky]

kalo strategi average up gmn yah?
situasinya waktu break alltime high/waktu koreksi?
apakah tambah sedikit2 ato tambah banyak lotnya?

cheers,

jacky
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Bernie
Date: 02/19/08 08:49:26
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To Pak SB : Average Down 1,2,3,5,8
 

Kalo punya duit banyak dan bisa average down terus2an model 1,2,3,5,8,dst
menurut saya lebih cocok buat di meja judi,kalo loss/kalah bisa lipat terus
toh akhirnya akan menang juga gak perlu pikir . Di saham masih perlu
pusingin entry/support resist, dalam market turun dimana semua support
ditembusin bisa aja dapatnya ternyata bukan harga yang lowest
sesuai target kita. Btw,ini soal personal style kata pak arnold,gak maksud
bilang penganut avg down sebagai penjudi. Semua trader adalah spekulan,yang
bertindak setelah mengantisipasi situasi.Yang penting kan cara kita bisa
profit dan cocok dengan pribadi kita. Strategi ini ilmu baru yang belum saya
dengar,mungkin suatu waktu trader BEI bisa mengalahkan profit model
Livermore/Darvas dengan average up-nya.

Salam 

On 2/18/08, arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

lah ini mah personal style pak.. dan tergantung mau bikin piramida 
segede apa :)

salam
mrA

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Mas Anto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Pak SB,
> 
> Mohon dijelaskan teori Pak SB tentang Avg Down, tadi keburu napsu
> masuk di MEDC pas 4.050, let say saya ambil 1 lot, seandainya besok
> turun kira-kira di harga berapa saya harus ambil lagi yang 2 lot, 
dst
> untuk 3 lot dan 5 lot?
> 
> Buat rekan OB yang lain (aliran Avg Down) sekiranya mau menjelaskan 
juga.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> rgds
> anto
> 
> 
> ...Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, 
and
> it shall be opened unto you.
> - Luke 11:9 -
>




 
 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Thank's pak tbumi, Ben Bernanke, Bettina Tan & Dean Earwick

[Jacky]

salute buat pa DE...
aturan spt ini memang memang perlu ditegaskan..

mo digoreng brp lama..hihi..
bakal autoreject neh :D

SELL ELSA STRONG BUY FELIeh POLY yah


 
---Original Message---
 
From: kang_ocoy_maen_saham
Date: 02/17/08 21:51:38
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Thank's pak tbumi, Ben Bernanke, Bettina Tan &
Dean Earwick
 

eummh, asikkk jg euy...

sok lah lagi para ladies lampirkan poto dan alamat imel or fs or
myspace... kekekekkk... we really need more ladies active on the forum..

Big Bro DE... Ure Da Man!!!,... TOP-NOTCH

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, er1ck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> kekekke...thread ini pasti bakal panjang dah :-))
> 
> 2008/2/17 Saham Multikartu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Pak DE,
> >
> > Selanjutnya apalagi... KTP perlu nggak... ?
> >
> > Rgds,
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Felicia Rumondor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:42:15 PM
> >
> > Pak Dean Earwicker,
> > saya baru bergabung di millis ini, berikut saya lampirkan photo
saya untuk
> > keperluan registrasi di millis ini.
> > regards
> > Feli
> >
> >
>


 
 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] CPO siang ini di 3311 ( CPO Future Apr 08)

[Jacky]

future price naek...ko cpo shares diguyur mulu ya...
apakah karna efek pajak export buat cpo & biodieselkah?
pengaruhnya gimana? shortterm/longterm?

 


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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Please send berita riset lagi...

[Jacky]

wah makasih brat Pa ALX, ini yg ditunggu2...
riset2 dr asingkalo aseng saya donlot sendiri aja :)
kalo pagi2 lebih mantep tuh pak...hehe
thx anyway :D
 
---Original Message---
 
From: rony_disini
Date: 01/30/08 15:53:49
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Please send berita riset lagi...
 
yang rutin pak kalo bisa ...he...he...he... 

signal pak ALX™ juga saya nantikan terus setiap pagi...

salam
RD

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "ALX™" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Segini cukup gak?
> (see attachments)
> 
> -- 
> Salam
> ALX™
> 
> 
> On 1/30/08, Cleopatras Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Pak RD,
> >
> > sejak Pak JL lengser, kedudukan nya sempat digantikan oleh Pak BG.
tapi
> > sejak Pak BG lengser juga maka vakuum deh. seingat saya Pak ALX tetap
> > mengirim signals kok tiap pagi. Pak WD juga.
> >
> > sebenarnya banyak yang Bapak bisa sedot sendiri tanpa perlu tergantung
> > kiriman. OD, CP, LG, KI et cetera nyantumin di website mereka.
tapi yg rada
> > exklusive kaya DB seh memang kudu jadi client doski dulu.
> >
> > sekedar Info saja Pak RD.
> >
> > *rony_disini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* schrieb:
> >
> > beberapa hari belakang kok yg posting berita riset dari berbagai
> > sekuritas udah gak ada lagi ya ... dan pak ALX udah gak kirim2
> > signalnya lagi nih..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mails löschen war gestern: Yahoo! Mail jetzt mit 1GB kostenlosem
Speicher
> > .
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[obrolan-bandar] mungkinkah penyebab index hsi, ssec jatoh karna fund outflow ke indonesia???

[Jacky]

China Is Least Favored Market in Asia, Citigroup Says (Update2) 
By Chua Kong Ho
http://www.bloomberg
com/apps/news?pid=20602005&sid=a6ilIfPDtOd4&refer=world_indices
Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- China, home to the world's best- performing stock
market last year, is now the least favored in Asia outside of Japan for the
region's funds, according to Citigroup Inc. 
China overtook Taiwan and South Korea as the most ``underweight'' market for
the first time, Citigroup analysts including Elaine Chu wrote in a Jan. 25
report. 
The CSI 300 Index is valued at 43 times reported earnings even after sliding
18 percent from its record close on Oct. 16. That makes the benchmark dearer
than the Nikkei 225 Stock Average and the MSCI Asia Pacific excluding Japan
Index, which are both at 16 times profit. 
``Valuations still look expensive at this level,'' said Erwin Sanft, head of
China and Hong Kong equities research at BNP Paribas Securities (Asia) Ltd.,
in an interview. ``This is really the last throes of the bull market. We're
still going to see lower index levels from here.'' 
The CSI 300, which tracks yuan-denominated stocks traded in Shanghai and
Shenzhen, gained 162 percent last year, the most among the 90 global indexes
tracked by Bloomberg. Stocks gained as investors bet on growth in the world
s fastest-growing major economy fueling corporate earnings. 
The Hang Seng China Enterprises Index, which measures the ``H shares'' of
Chinese companies traded in Hong Kong, climbed 56 percent in 2007. The Hong
Kong index has lost 35 percent from its Oct. 30 peak, leaving it valued at
20 times earnings. 
Winter Snowstorms 
The two stock benchmarks fell today after the worst winter snowstorms to hit
China in a decade disrupted transportation as well as fuel and power
production. The CSI 300 slid as much as 7.2 percent, while the H-share index
slumped 5.9 percent. 
Share-price gains helped Chinese companies surpass many of their global
peers in market value last year. China is now home to six of the world's 25
largest companies by market value, data compiled by Bloomberg show. Only
PetroChina Co., the world's biggest company by market capitalization, is
among the top 25 in profit. 
Funds dedicated to investing in China saw net redemptions of $1.1 billion
for the week ended Jan. 23, the most in Asia, while India country funds had
outflows of $848 million, the Citigroup analysts said, citing data from EPFR
Global, a U.S.- based mutual funds research company. 
Investors withdrew a record $4.7 billion from Asian funds during the period,
the report said. 
Managers of Asian funds have also reduced their allocation to Hong Kong
stocks and increased investments in Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines,
according to the report. 
To contact the reporter on this story: Chua Kong Ho at in Shanghai or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Last Updated: January 28, 2008 01:21 EST
 

[obrolan-bandar] Rebound Agustus???

[Jacky]

Ada yg bisa memberitahu apa yg menyebabkan sell off di bulan agustus kemarin
reda?
Kalo ga salah agustus kemarin penurunan suku bunga kan di akhir agustus,
tapi DJ 
sudah rebound di sekitar 17 agustus.

Apakah dimalam tgl 17 agustus ada faktor2 fundamental seperti Bernanke
memberikan
hints penurunan suku bunga sebesar 0.5% atau ada laporan ekonomi yg bagus
atau
ada laporan keuangan emiten yg bagus2 atau hanya teknikal rebound
(oversold)?

Cheers,
Jacky

Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT memble (Ralat postingan terakhir ach)

[Jacky]

mungkin bukan di isp kitanya... 

td jg ane tanya...katanya bukan masalah di server IPOT,
tp di penyedia layanan nya...kalo ga salah napindo...
tp kurang ngarti layanan apa nya sih...

yg ane takutin gimana kalo lg ada crash gede2an...
trus kita ga bisa login
mungkin servernya kepenuhan...
mo telp pasti sibuklah...
pasrah aja gt :D
dulu etrade.com.au aja pernah ky gt soalnya...
palagi indo yg penduduknya bejibun + inet slow...mmhhh
mudah2an ipot tetep ok...overall masih memuaskan ko..

---Original Message---
 
From: Andri Irawan
Date: 01/14/08 14:41:27
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT memble (Ralat postingan terakhir ach)
 
Kok saya tanya teman saya yang di jakarta maupun di surabaya pada ga bisa
semua yah? padahal ISP nya beda2 semuanya.


2008/1/14 ahau doank <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:

Ralat:
setelah mengetahui duduk perkara koneksi IPOT ternyata bukan salah di
IPOTnya tapi
ISP nya!
 
heheheheh maafkan aku telah menuduh yg tidak baik.. 
naek kelas dech IPOT jadi innova...
 
happy cuan
:P

ahau doank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
sama nich... IPOT tong kosong nyaring bunyinya!
dulu katanya kalo udah rame gak usah khawatir,, koneksi gak akan putus bla
bla bla... 
skrg udah rame, jadi suka hang sendiri kayak etrading. di telp ke ipot
centre juga gak pernah nyambung... sibuk terus C spasi D alias Cape
Dech!
 
kesimpulannya: IPOT yg dulunya sekelas mercedes benz, skrg turun kelas jadi
avanza seperti etrading. 
 
happy cuan
:P

bobby gosal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ada yg make IPOT ?? kok tiba2 putus?? persis di saat ELAINE posting di bwh
ini..
Dear fellow traders,

This time I am selling, only 15% left, please buy them. Investors please
ignore. There, no F word :) I even use pink color.

EL

kebetulan kali yee...



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[obrolan-bandar] Tipe2 perdagangan pasar

[Jacky]

Biasanya kita hanya memantau pergerakan pasar
reguler, tapi apakah tipe2 pasar yg lain seperti
pasar tunai (TN), negosiasi (NG), dan tertutup (TS)
jg berpengaruh terhadap indeks???

Ada yg bisa menjelaskan apa sih yg terjadi di
pasar2 diatas?

Thanks

Re: Balasan: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Hati-hati ama DEWA !!

[Jacky]

HATI HATI yg blon punya DEWA...
ga bakalan diketemuin ma DEWI DEWI :D
 
---Original Message---
 
From: William Tevez
Date: 12/11/07 15:47:06
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Balasan: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Hati-hati ama DEWA !!
 
Hati HATI

exindo_trade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
ini TP baru update, ato TP lama yg diungkit-ungkit lagi pak?

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Data Saham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> TP dr si BOZZ buat DEWA ada di 850
> 
> Perambah Hutan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Hati-hati.
> Buat yang blom masuk, jangan masuk dulu, ini harga kritis...
> Nanti kena floating, repot.
> Mending cari saham lain saja, masih banyak kok saham bagus di BEJ
> 
> salam.
> 
> Data Saham wrote:
> >
> > ayoo BOZZ aku dukung deh...DEWA udah keluarin jurus mabook 
tuh :D
> > 
> >
> > */Data Saham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> > semakin jelas aksi Bandar masuk lebih jauh ke DEWA, dengan 
uang
> > berlimpah ruah dari hasil penjualan ANTMsemoga ga lama 
lg ke
> > 800.
> >
> > */Data Saham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> > sekarang sedang masa akumulasi oleh si BOZZ...makanya 
harganya
> > naik
> >
> > */William Tevez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> > DEWA sudah Mabo... Mau ngeluarin jurus 
saktinya
> > 
> > 
> > TV
> >
> > */Data Saham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> > setelah si Bozz mengalah di ANTM, semoga 
sebagian
> > dananya masuk ke DEWA...:))
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Harga Minyak Capai US$87,90 per Barel

[Jacky]

ada yg bisa menjelaskan kalau harga minyak turun
effect nya apa aja ya(khususnya bei/emerging market) ?

sektor2 apa yg dirugikan dan diuntungkan oleh turunnya minyak?

satu lagi, kalau interest rate US ga jd turun 0.5%(unchanged) atau
turun dikit 0.25%, apa yg bakal terjadi yah?

cheers,
jacky 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Okki Syahbana
Date: 12/10/07 12:05:20
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Harga Minyak Capai US$87,90 per Barel
 
Harga Minyak Capai US$87,90 per Barel 
--
---

Senin, 10 Desember 2007 11:21:15
StockWatch (Jakarta) - Harga minyak mentah tercatat turun pada 
perdagangan lanjutan melalui fasilitas elektronik Nymex (New York 
Mercantile Exchange), Globex. Pada Minggu (9/12) pukul 22:08 waktu 
New York atau Senin pukul 10:08 WIB, minyak WTI (West Texas 
Intermediate) untuk penyerahan Januari 2008 turun US$0,38 dari harga 
penutupan Jumat (7/12) sebesar US$88,28 per barel menjadi US$87,90 
per barel. 

Dibuka pada US$88,27 per barel, WTI Januari 2008 diperdagangkan pada 
kisaran harga US$87,75-88,40 per barel.

Pada perdagangan Jumat (7/12), WTI Januari 2008 ditutup melemah 
US$1,95 per barel, dari US$90,23 menjadi US$88,28 per barel. Volume 
transaksi WTI Januari 2008 pada hari itu mencapai 279.601 kontrak 
dengan harga terendah US$87,07 dan tertinggi US$90 per barel.

Adapun WTI untuk penyerahan Februari 2008 diperdagangkan pada 
kisaran US$87,20-89,65 sebelum akhirnya ditutup pada US$88,15 per 
barel, turun US$1,79 dari harga penutupan sehari sebelumnya, 
US$89,94 per barel.

Pada perdagangan lanjutan Senin (10/12) ini, WTI Februari 2008 juga 
tercatat melemah US$0,33 menjadi US$87,82 per barel. Harga kisaran 
kontrak minyak mentah ini antara US$87,70-88,02 per barel. (Baso 
Amir)


 
 

OOT SORRY RE: [obrolan-bandar] Tanya Koneksi Internet 295rb

[Jacky]

dpt dr website indosat lg promo neh...
ITC Fatmawati Pintu I
6-17 Desember 2007
PROMO MODEM GRATIS & PAKET HEMAT Rp 160.000.

ada yg bisa recommend wireless hsdpa speed???
quota 2gb
harga dibawah 200rb 
standard bulanan tanpa ikutan plan 12/18months

apa mesti promo? 
harganya kan udah dijack up dl karena including modem


saya pake XL 64kbps 275rb unlimited quota & time
bisa buat trading ko...
cuman agak lambat kl buka2 charts2 gt an..
kl liat running price seh ok ga ada masalah...

o yah...tmn2 udah ada yg coba hsdpa wireless router?
apa aja seh optionnya...???

cheers,
jacky

---Original Message---
 
From: A Moeis Ibrahim
Date: 12/07/07 15:59:06
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Tanya Koneksi Internet 295rb
 
Setahu saya bukan IM2 tapi XL
AMI
 
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mas Anto
Sent: 07 Desember 2007 15:04
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tanya Koneksi Internet 295rb
 
Coba di:
http://www.indosatm2.com/popup.php/promo/3G_popup_brochure

rgds
anto

On Dec 7, 2007 12:22 PM, grahasurya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Miliser yth,
>
> Beberapa minggu lalu saya sempat membaca postingan dari seorang miliser
> (saya lupa namanya) yang menawarkan pemasangan koneksi mobile internet,
> kalau tidak salah IM2 seharga 290-an ribu per bulan, dan hanya berlaku
> sampai bulan Des ini.
>
> Saya sudah coba search tapi tidak ketemu.
>
> Buat ybs, atau miliser yg mengetahui hal tsb, tolong kabari saya ya.
> Saya mau pasang nih.
>
> Trims.
> Grahasurya
>
> 
 
 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Training Analisa Fundamental

[Jacky]

tmn2 ada yg tau ga kalo di bdg kursus2 gini
bisa didpt dimana?

apa ada klub2 investasi gt?

cfa gt kalo di itb ada ga ya?

apa udah ada binus center/sejenisnya di bdg?

btw...di bej banyak tuh kursus2 buat pemula..
seminggu sekali tuh di hari wkend biasanya...
yah saya mah dr desa..jauh eui ka ibukota..
bisa tekor di ongkos dibensin ma akomodasi
dibanding biaya kursusnya...
padahal pengen bgt ikutan begini2anhikss...

oyah...thx buat yg bisa ngaseh inpo...ciao
 
---Original Message---
 
From: kang_ocoy_maen_saham
Date: 11/27/07 18:23:28
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Training Analisa Fundamental
 
Well Sir.. saya kan dapet ilmunya gratis, dr buku2. apa yg saya tulis
disini juga ga pernah ada hal-hal baru. di buku2 investment en finance
jg pasti ada. it just wont fair to take charges on things i get
freely. malu lah, bisa dimarahin dosen entar. 

untuk kursusnya pak sonny., ya mungkin harga mahalnya krn sewa tempat
en bikin handout or worksheetnya emg udah mahal kali. meski sebenernya
nambahin dikit dr nilai itu ya mending belajar resmi valuasi or kursus
CFA aja sekalian ke Binus ato UI ato semacamnya (saya blon pernah ikut
tp pernah liat silabus2nya dan oke2 tuh..). mungkin yg mahalnya biaya
"intensif"nya kali pak, kalo ketemu lgsg kan yg ga dimengerti bisa
ditanya langsung. kalo mahalnya di cost "intensifitas"nya itu masih
bisa diterimalah. mungkin emang selepas kursus ini dijamin "ngerti
komprehensif" ya rada mahal mgkn wajar.

hanya mungkin sebagai sesama kamerad pengguna ilmu-ilmu valuasi, kalo
misalnya worksheet yg didapat adalah worksheet bawaan dr literatur ato
worksheet latihan gratisan dr homepage literature. dan ilmu yg
diajarkan jg ga terlalu "classified" dan dapetnya dr buku dan materi2
standar. ya its just not "fair" i think to charge "mahal" untuk
materi2 yg kita dapat gratis dan sebenernya hak intelektual orang lain
(kita dapet ilmunya mudah dan murah, trus si worksheetnya jg dr
penerbit/pengarang buku2 investasi).

well its only an opinion though. saya sendiri masih amatiran. mungkin
kalo level "expert" emang rate-nya kudu rada beda. kudu mahal coz
knowledge kan emang mahal.
cuman kalo mo jaminan kepastian "expert" en "silabus ciamik" ya
mending sekalian ikut training di lembaga pendidikan resmi macem Bina
Insan ato Binus center atau LPM UI aja. kayanya ga ngeleverage jauh2
dr 95 deh. lebih dr 2X pertemuan lg, dan bersertifikat pula.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "abdulrahim abdulrahim"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Itulah asyiknya dunia cyber.
> You can get most of what you need FREELY. And people giving what you
> need will give you kindfully
> Thank you kang Ocoy
> 
> Saran saya. Dari pada ikutan seminar 950rb-an ini, mending diskusi di
> sini di bawah bimbingan kang Ocoy. Trus yang puas, bisa traktir kang
> Ocoy
> 
> On Nov 27, 2007 10:43 AM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hahaha, engga lah mbah.. ilmu yg saya bagi kan ga seberapa.. lagian
> > saya dapet ilmunya jg dari orang.. maksudnya dr buku2 orang, dr
> > diajarin orang, dr pelajarin riset orang...
> >
> > ya 950 ribu kan bisa aja sewa tempatnya 50, makan 10, trus
> > bikin worksheet capek2, trus fotokopian, trus sertifikat... he2x
> >
> > kalo saya mah itung2 berbagilah, exchange alias trade-off.. lha
temen2
> > disini en embah jg kalo kasih info jg gratis kan.. ya sama lahh saya
> > jg... ilmu kalo ga dibagi en ada gunanya entar ditanyain en diminta
> > tanggung jawab mbah.. serem saya...
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"
> >
> >
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Kang Ocoy yang mempopulerkan Fundamental Analysis tapi
> > > pak Tasrul yang dapet 950k/orang
> > >
> > > Pak Tasrul harus kasih Royalty ama kang ocoy nih.. hehehe...
> > >
> > > At least instrukturnya pak Sonny Akbar harus kasih KULIAH
> > > GRATIS dimilis OB secara GRATIS dimilis OB seperti yg
> > > dilakukan Kang Ocoy...
> > >
> > > Kalo engga, embah ngerasa ENGGA FAIR ama Kang Ocoy...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tasrul Tanar 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FYI..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1 day Training : FUNDAMENTAL Analysis...
> > > (Batch 1) Materi :
> > > > 1. Perhitungan discount rate
> > > > * Cost of equity
> > > > * Cost of capital
> > > > 2. Aplikasi CAPM dan bond yield risk premium
> > > > 3. Aplikasi perhitungan discounted cash flow valuation
> > > > * Dividend discount model
> > > > * Free cash flow model
> > > > * One, two and three stage growth and terminal value
> > > valuation
> > > > 4. Relative valuation
> > > > * PER (trailing vs forward looking)
> > > > * PBV (trailing vs forward looking)
> > > >
> > > > Semua perhitungan di atas dipermudah dengan menggunakan Excel…..
> > > > Just input into the model, use your assumption and find the
> > > intrinsic value……
> > > >
> > > > Tanggal : Sabtu, 1 Desember 2007 jam 09'00 s/d 15'00
> > > > Pengajar : Sonny A. Akbar ( Analis Fundamental dari Over

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Basic Stock Valuation Worksheet - Have Fun with It!

[Jacky]

bro charles...
saya ada tuh..udah diupload...
mudah2an bener yg itu...jd ga usah repot2 scan lg ya :D
hope it helps...

cheers,
jacky
 
---Original Message---
 
From: kang_ocoy_maen_saham
Date: 11/26/07 11:58:02
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Basic Stock Valuation Worksheet - Have Fun
with It!
 
saya mah gada euy.. yg laen??, anyone got the book??

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kang, ocoy, sy newbie di bidang equity market. Ada temen yg saranin baca
> dulu bukunya Martin J Pring judulnya Technical Analysis Explained 4th
> edition.
> 
> Punya nggak ebook nya.
> 
> 
> 
> Saya sudah cari di gramedia, kinokuniya & spectra, tapi pd kosong.
> 
> Malah yg kebeli adalah study guide nya [isinya Tanya jawab gitu].
> 
> 
> 
> Kalo ada tolong upload ke milis kang.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> NB. Ini postingan sy yg pertama, salam untuk semua senior disini!
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of kang_ocoy_maen_saham
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:26 AM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Basic Stock Valuation Worksheet - Have Fun
with
> It!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Several Days ago somebody ask me for excel worksheet example on stock
> valuation... here it goes, since a DCF or FCFE worksheet is a rather
> complex for newbie to comprehend, ill start with just a very simple
> one... because its simple, it is very-very less dependable... but
> quite an appropriate one for just learning the input is simple and
> therefore i guess it wouldnt be difficult for anyone to use it... 
> 
> Cek
> 
> http://finance.
> <http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/files/>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/files/
> 
> since kmaren jg ada yg nanya BLTA, untuk contohnya coba ke saham ini,
> krn karakteristiknya jg stable growth jd relatif lebih enak dipake
> buat contoh...
> 
> untuk inputnya bisa diambil dari laporan keuangan biasa aja,
> 
> cb ambil dr ; 
> 
> http://stocks.
> <http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/overview.asp?symbol=BLTA.JK>
> us.reuters.com/stocks/overview.asp?symbol=BLTA.JK
> 
> sedikit tutorial utk membuat Hitungan fair value saat ini ;
> 
> pertama2 buka worksheet "data input sheet",
> 
> C5 sampe C13 itu bisa diinput dr laporan keuangan,
> 
> C13 dan selanjutnya itu asumsi atau forecast kita.
> 
> F7 Perkiraan realistis exit harga 5 tahun ke depan.
> 
> penjelasan :
> 
> Riskfree rate = SBI ato kupon SUN jangka panjang (tergantung preferensi)
> 
> Beta saham = historikal sensitivitas saham kpd market, bisa didapet di
> bloomberg ato reuters 
> 
> dividen = perkiraan DPR kira2(atau payout ratio historikal)dikali
> perkiraan laba bersih.
> 
> Stock Repo = Jumlah perkiraan saham yg akan dibuyback perusahaan pada
> tahun itu hingga batas level tertinggi ketentuan buyback perusahaan,
> ditinggalkan tidak terisi (dikosongkan) jg gapapa kalo keterangan ttg
> itu tidak ada/sulit didapat.
> 
> Market Premium = perkiraan return rata2 market equity.
> 
> Expected Growth Rate = perkiraan pertumbuhan laba perusahaan (bisa
> CAGR atau perkiraan yg berbeda2 utk masing2 tahun)
> 
> nah dari bagian 21 kebawah itu hasil komputasi dgn ;
> 
> saya asumsikan variasi bbrp valuasi dasar ini bisa mencover utk skdar
> "ancer2" valuasi...
> 
> Komputasi Gordon Growth Model (Constant dr tahun awal valuasi) 
> Variable Growth (tingkat pertumbuhan bervariasi)
> Dividen + Earning Model
> PER Model (highest valuation model)
> 
> penjelasan mengenai formula dan komputasi dr masing2 model ada di
> sheet tersendiri yg sebaiknya dilihat jg untuk tahu cara kerjanya.
> 
> Personal Note and Warning : 
> 
> untuk sekedar dasar2 atau perkiraan "kasar2an", worksheet ini cukup
> berguna... hanya ya itu, ini mah simpel pisan jd saya jg ga mau
> merekomenkan untuk menggunakan ini utk buat "forward value" alias
> target nilai wajar di masa yg akan "datang"... karena utk buat
> "forward value" kita harus buat Laporan keuangan forecast sendiri utk
> tahun2 ke depan, baru dimasukkan sbg input didalam worksheet yg jauh
> lebih advance dr worksheet ini.
> 
> saya sendiri ingin mengingatkan bahwa "there is no shortcut to
> expertise".., maksudnya kalo model ini bisa kepake, alangkah baiknya
> tetep dipelajari di buku referensi dan textbook2 finance dan valuasi
> utk cara kerja, filosofi dan latihan pembuatan tentang masing2 model
> dalam worksheet ini. sukur2 bisa latihan soal dr mulai bikin manual
> sampe ke kompu

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: newbie mo belajar saham???

[Jacky]

ditinggal bentar banyak banyak bgt ya imelnya..
aktif bener neh milis... :))

thx embah jsx_consultant, mbah bowie, mbah rei, 
kang ocoy, mbah cleopatra, mbah gdbrook,
mbah tbumi atas supportnya...jd pengen cpt2
aja neh turun gunungnya... :)

ya mungkin bro andrew mikirnya jg ke regional
yg rd2 bearish...takut banyak nubie yg kecemplung :0

ya kalo nubie tdnya pengen praktekin concept
yg sering disebut2 dimilis2 malah...
fear when people greedy
greedy when people fear
jd skrg2 neh org2 lg pd fear pa greedy ya??? :))

jd yg direcommend suheng2 online trading pake
apa dunk? yg ga banyak tipu2nya n banyak
feature TA & FAnya..

abis dulu pernah maen index nikkei hangseng..
ongkos sekola mahal bener...hihi...
maen RD taon 2002/3 jg rusak dikit2...
br2 ini masuk RD di index 2700an...wu
mesti mandi kembang tujuh rupa kali ye...
makanya mo coba invest di saham skrg..
cuma maseh serem2 gt..udah gatot berkali2 neh :0
sekali lg makasih banget buat masukan2nya suhu2 :)

hv a great wkend then

cheers,
jacky
 
---Original Message---
 
From: tbumi
Date: 11/23/07 14:25:54
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: newbie mo belajar saham???
 
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, gdbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How engine can keep on running ?, it need fuel to be pumped into
> ignation chamber.
> and how to warm a cooled air in winter?, wood need to be thrown to 
fire.
> 
> This is winter and engine is running out of gas. newbies bring a new
> hope to a stock market.
> 
> gdbrook
> 
> 
> On Nov 22, 2007 6:25 PM, Jacky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >

SIP : TBUMI
Utk main saham anda tak usah cari suhu atau les dimana mana.
Yg terpenting anda harus bisa cari news terpercaya dari luar
negeri saja.
News yg baik akan mengangkat saham tersebut. Memang
utk pemula masih butuh waktu utk mendapatkan news. Tapi
pemula bisa berkomunikasi dgn anggota OB kalau ada kesulitan
utk investasi di saham.
Banyak anggota OB juga berpengalaman sekali di saham. Belajar
langsung di lapangan dgn modal sedikit dulu sambil cari
ilmu, nanti baru bertahap tambah modalnya. 
Tidaklah susah utk main saham, sangat sederhana saja.
Anda jangan sampai ditakut takuti oleh orang lain. 

> >
> >
> > allo semua suhu2, dewadewi, bandar2 :o
> >
> > salam kenal, saya br join milis ob..
> > nama saya jacky
> > mo minta masukan dari suhu2 disini...
> > kalau saya mau belajar jual beli saham gimana ya?
> >
> > ga ada background finance begitu2...
> > masa langsung buka acc di sekuritas seh?
> > trus buy sell doank...
> > ongkos sekolanya bisa mahal atuh yah...hihi...
> >
> > kalo suheng2 belajar menimba ilmu dimana ya?
> > ada emang kursus nya?
> > kalo ebook seh dah baca dikit2...
> > apa yah link2 yg bagus buat belajar saham?
> > yg nyambung ke jsx, kan banyak jg info yg
> > ga gitu ngaruh ke economy indo :o
> >
> > nama saham ANTM aja br tau singkatannya...
> > aneka tambang...hihi...dimana ya bisa dpt list
> > saham2 yg dilisting ma BEJ & profile2 companynya..?
> >
> > udah donlot amibroker...ga ngarti jg cr makenya :)
> > ada yg punya ebooknya?
> > kalo suheng2 recommend buka account di sekuritas
> > yg ordernya diexecute lewat telp ato yg online?
> >
> > soalnya ane punya koneksi jg cuma xl 64kbps..
> > cukup kuat ga ya buat online trading...
> > ntar takutnya harganya ga real time neh...
> >
> > oh iyahapa seh kelebihan & kekurangan
> > trading saham langsung sama reksadana
> > n futures...
> >
> > cheers,
> > jacky
> >
> >
>


 
 

[obrolan-bandar] newbie mo belajar saham???

[Jacky]

allo semua suhu2, dewadewi, bandar2 :o

salam kenal, saya br join milis ob..
nama saya jacky
mo minta masukan dari suhu2 disini...
kalau saya mau belajar jual beli saham gimana ya?

ga ada background finance begitu2...
masa langsung buka acc di sekuritas seh?
trus buy sell doank...
ongkos sekolanya bisa mahal atuh yah...hihi...

kalo suheng2 belajar menimba ilmu dimana ya?
ada emang kursus nya?
kalo ebook seh dah baca dikit2...
apa yah link2 yg bagus buat belajar saham?
yg nyambung ke jsx, kan banyak jg info yg 
ga gitu ngaruh ke economy indo :o

nama saham ANTM aja br tau singkatannya...
aneka tambang...hihi...dimana ya bisa dpt list
saham2 yg dilisting ma BEJ & profile2 companynya..?

udah donlot amibroker...ga ngarti jg cr makenya :)
ada yg punya ebooknya?
kalo suheng2 recommend buka account di sekuritas
yg ordernya diexecute lewat telp ato yg online?

soalnya ane punya koneksi jg cuma xl 64kbps..
cukup kuat ga ya buat online trading...
ntar takutnya harganya ga real time neh...

oh iyahapa seh kelebihan & kekurangan
trading saham langsung sama reksadana
n futures...

cheers,
jacky