[ob] Thanks Prof JT ramalan IHSG

2009-11-26 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Untung diingetin ama Prof JT, soal tekanan jual yg tinggi. Mohon terus 
membimbing nubie. Salam hangat  lumayan. Prof JT, chart berikut bisa kejadian 
nggak ?



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[ob] N225 AORD - 2 % !

2009-10-01 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear Senior OB, nubie mohon sarannya. Beli di Jumat sore atawa Selasa aja ?
Salam



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Terkirim: Rab, 16 September, 2009 14:26:11
Judul: OOT : Mudik YUK


Dear Senior OB, mumpung dikasi THR  DOW Fut juga +28. Masa sih US  Eropa 
rally terus ? Nubie berterima kasih pada Mbah, JT, DE, El, dll.  Abis lebaran, 
nyemplung lagi


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[ob] OOT : Mudik YUK

2009-09-16 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear Senior OB, mumpung dikasi THR  DOW Fut juga +28. Masa sih US  Eropa 
rally terus ? Nubie berterima kasih pada Mbah, JT, DE, El, dll.  Abis lebaran, 
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[ob] Iklan Bloomberg

2009-08-19 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Indonesia Stock Index
May Regain Record in a Year
Aug. 20 (Bloomberg) --
Indonesia’s stock index, the world’s second-best performer this year, may
return to the record reached last year in the next 12 months as falling
interest rates boost growth, PT Batavia Prosperindo Aset Manajemen said. 
Automotive, banks and property stocks may lead gains, said Ruddy Raharjo, head 
of investment at
Batavia, Indonesia’s sixth- best performing fund in the past five years. The
Jakarta Composite Index reached a record of 2,830.26 in January last year,
before falling 61 percent to its October low. The measure has risen 68 percent
this year. 
Shares are rebounding as Indonesia posted the fastest growth among Southeast
Asian nations even as the global economy remained in recession. President Susilo
Bambang Yudhoyono’s re- election last month raised expectations the
government will maintain policies that helped the economy to expand 4 percent
in the second quarter and curb inflation to a nine-year low. 
“People were expecting company earnings to be devastated because of slumping
consumption, but that didn’t happen,” Raharjo, who manages the equivalent of
about $550 million, said in an interview in Jakarta on Aug. 18. The market is
“returning to its proper level,” he added. 
Optimism over Yudhoyono’s economic policies after his re- election
overshadowed terrorist attacks last month. The measure surged 15 percent in
July, the sixth-best among 89 indexes worldwide tracked by Bloomberg, even
after the bomb blasts at the J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels in the
capital city of Jakarta killed nine people. 
‘Healthy Correction’ 
PT Optima Kharya
Capital Securities, part of Indonesia’s Optima group, whose fund was voted
best mutual fund in the past two years by Indonesia’s Majalah Investor 
magazine, said recent gains have outpaced
earnings potential. It predicts the Jakarta Composite may fall as much as 10
percent in the next month. The index declined 2.5 percent to 2,277.75
yesterday. 
“It will be a healthy correction,” Arief
Budiman, head of research at Optima, said in an interview in Jakarta on
Aug. 18. 


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[ob] Only Way for Stocks, Commodities to Go Is Up: Charts

2009-08-06 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Prof JT, BG mantaff. Nanya PGAS  JSMR boleh TA (tabruk aja)) ? Salam he2x


Only Way for Stocks, Commodities to
Go Is Up: Charts
Published: Wednesday, 5 Aug 2009 |
9:29 
With investors buying stocks and
commodities and using the dollar as a carry trade, global stocks are just at
the beginning of a significant trend higher, Chris Zwermann, global strategist
at Zwermann Financial said Wednesday.


  
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[ob] Definisi saham murah

2009-08-03 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Mbah  Senior OB, nubie mau nanya definisi saham yang murah apa seperti dibawah 
ini ? Berarti banyak emiten yang masih kemurahan donk ? Salam kompor


Valuing Stocks
Posted By:Tom
Brennan
An explanation of how Wall Street
professionals value stocks could take all night, but Cramer has a simple rule
of thumb that any home-gamer can use.
Remember that E, the earnings,
multiplied by M, the multiple, equals P, the price. That’s the
price-to-earnings multiple. If a stock’s PE multiple is equal to or less than 
its growth rate,
then that’s a cheap stock,
Cramer said.
A stock with a PE that’s twice the growth rate follows the opposite logic: Ten
percent growth on a 20 multiple stock probably means it is time to take
profits.
Cramer learned this rule through hard-won experience. He
knows that value investors are attracted to stocks close to their growth rate,
which creates a floor. On the high end, growth investors rarely pay more than
twice the growth rate, which creates a ceiling. Now the stockholder has a range
for selling his wares. 
It’s good to hunt for value among
stocks with PEs that are about one times the growth, but be careful not buy
damaged goods. Plenty of inexpensive-looking stocks are actually quite pricey
if the fundamentals are declining and the earnings are going to miss the
estimates, Cramer said.
Again, the opposite is true. A stock
that’s trading with a multiple that is twice its growth rate looks expensive.
But if its earnings need to be revised higher, its multiple will come down and
it has more room to run. 
Bottom Line:When
you value stocks, anything with a multiple that’s lower than the growth rate
should be presumed cheap. Anything with a multiple that’s more than twice the
growth rate is expensive.



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[ob] Awas, Profit Taking

2009-06-28 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Awas, Profit Taking
Minggu, 28 Juni 2009 JAKARTA- Aksi aksi ambil untung (profit taking) akan 
menyertai
perdagangan indeks harga saham gabungan (IHSG) di Bursa Efek Indonesia (BEI)
awal pekan depan. Meskipun, nilai transaksi yang terus meningkat diprediksi
menjadi katalis penguatan kembali.

Nilai transaksi terus meningkat, meski besok diprediksi akan melemah
karena aksi profit taking, kata analis PT
Reliance Securities Tbk (RELI) Gina Novrina Nasution, saat berbincang dengan 
okezone, di
Jakarta, Minggu (28/6/2009).

Meskipun nilai transaksi yang masih cukup tinggi yaitu di atas Rp3 triliun pada
penutupan awal pekan lalu, hal itu menandakan potensi terjadinya koreksi pada
indeks Senin besok, meski aksi ambil untung investor mengikuti. Sebab, pemodal
terlihat tetap bersemangat memanfaatkan momentum pergerakan positif (bullish) 
IHSG akhir pekan lalu.

Dia mengakui, dari sisi teknis juga mendukung terjadi penguatan kembali pada
indeks awal pekan ini. Bahkan, IHSG diperkirakan akan menutup gap pada level
support di kisaran 2.008-1.979 dan resistance di kisaran 2.063-2.081.

Awal pekan besok diperkirakan indeks akan mulai mengalami tekanan jual.
Sebab, turunnya nilai transaksi pada Jumat lalu dibandingkan hari sebelumnya
mengindikasikan investor mulai menahan diri membeli kembali. Aksi profit taking
juga terlihat mulai terjadi pada beberapa saham unggulan, ungkapnya

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[ob] Oil May Top $250

2009-06-10 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Oil May Top $250, Says Gazprom CEO
By: Reuters | 10 Jun 2009 | 11:49 AM
ET
A shortage of oil and gas investment means the sector will
fail to meet demand when the global economy begins to recover, Gazprom Chief 
Executive Alexei
Miller said on Wednesday
There are no guarantees that further
increases in oil demand will be supported by a sufficient growth in investments,
the head of the Russian natural gas giant said. 
Nobody has solved the issue of
the 2012 supply gap which may emerge later than thought but which
will be deeper. It means prices may
even jump over the $250 hurdle we have forecast a year ago, Miller said
in a written text of a speech at a conference in Italy on the financial crisis
and energy

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[ob] Credit Suisse : BUMI ASII

2009-06-09 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Cut Taiwan to Buy Southeast Asia,
Credit Suisse Says (Update1)
June 8 (Bloomberg) -- Investors should switch from Taiwan to
Southeast Asian stocks as the region’s discount to North Asia is among the
largest on record, Credit Suisse Group AG said. 
Ratings for Thailand and the Philippines were raised to “overweight” from 
“underweight,” analysts Sakthi
Siva and Kin
Nang Chik wrote in a report today. Thai financial and energy companies and
Philippine telephone companies were among the most undervalued, they said. 
Indonesia, Singapore 
Indonesian coal, palm oil and consumer companies and
Singapore industrial stocks offer the largest discounts, the
analysts added. The brokerage last month raised its rating on Singapore to
“overweight” from “underweight” and upgraded Indonesia to “overweight” from
“neutral.” 
An improving outlook for earnings in Southeast Asia is supporting Credit
Suisse’s upgrade of the region, the report said. Analysts last month started
raising earnings-per-share forecasts for Indonesia, the
Philippines, Malaysia and Singapore, while Thailand had upgrades at the start 
of June. 
Thailand is one of the most “under-owned” among Asian emerging-markets, the
analysts added. Kasikornbank Pcl, Thailand’s third-biggest commercial lender by
assets, and Bank of Ayudhya Pcl, a lender controlled by General Electric Co.,
are among Thai stocks in Credit Suisse’s portfolio. 
The brokerage recommended that investors own shares of Philippine Long
Distance Telephone Co., the nation’s largest phone company, and hold PT Bumi 
Resources and PT Astra
International in Indonesia. 


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[ob] to Bill WTA , Minyak ke $ 70

2009-06-02 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Oil Could Rally Again Wednesday on
Crude Inventories
Published: Tuesday, 2 Jun 2009 |
6:20 PM ET 
Traders took a pause from the oil rally as it closed nearly
flat at $68.55 Tuesday. Still, it could rally back toward the $70 mark
Wednesday on the Energy Department's release of crude oil inventories, which
are expected to show a decline.
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[ob] To Mr. DE : IHSG

2009-05-23 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Indonesia: A Must-Own Emerging Market
May 19, 2009 
I recently came across a new offering from Market Vector Funds, the
Indonesia Index (IDX), and after doing some research I began to really like the
prospects with the emerging economy. Portfolios looking to diversify some
holdings into an emerging market will have a tough time finding a better place
to invest for the future.
The IDX sector breakdown is as follows: 29% Financials, 20% Energy, 17%
Materials, 12% Consumer Staples, 7% Consumer Discretionary, 6% Telecom, 6%
Utility, and 3% Industrials. More than 50% of the companies are considered
mid-cap, with 41.8% large cap. The PE Ratio for the fund is around 13, which is 
extremely
cheap considering the growth prospects as compared to comparable
industries in other countries.
Some of the largest components in the IDX include Bumi Resources, PT Astra,
Bank Central Asia, Telecom Indonesia, Perusahaan Gas Negara, Bank Madiri, and
Adaro Energy.
Launched in January, the IDX has climbed 60% in 5 months, but still has room
to rise when considering the Indonesian economic growth prospects combined with
valuation and an upcoming political event that could be a favorable catalyst
for the economy (think India, which gained 17% in one day on an election win
today).
It was reported in in the Jakarta Post, that Indonesian Presidential
candidate Jusuf Kalla expects economic growth to accelerate to 8% per annum by
2011 if he wins the upcoming election, which would be competitive with the
Chinese economy that is starting to slow with the rest of the World. Kalla also
plans a progressive tax system and the construction of more coal-powered
plants, which provides clues to individual investment ideas in Indonesia.
Indonesia is rich with minerals, metals, oil and has a budding tourism
industry. Indonesia is blowing away other Southeast Asian economies in GDP
growth due to less reliance on exports, low interest rates and surging consumer
confidence that creates the formula for an economy set to succeed for years to
come. Recent agreements with Vietnam on mineral and energy ties is also bullish 
for the Indonesian
markets.
Indonesia has shown resillience and has swiftly recovered from the Southeast
Asian crisis of the late 1990's through sound fiscal and monetary policies
combined with rebuilding the country's infrastructure. Since 2003, Government
debt as a percentage of GDP has almost been halved to around 30%, while
inflation has settled in around 6%, and private investment has risen nearly
20%. The ongoing fiscal policy initiatives combined with the liberalization of
the economy will make Indonesia a sound investment for years to come.
Indonesia oil production has declined in recent years due to aging reserves
and it formally exited OPEC in 2008, becoming an oil importer, but it ranks
second in the world in liquefied natural gas exports and is less reliant on oil
exports than in recent years. It also has the third largest amount of coal
reserves in the world, ranks first in tin production, and has significant gold,
silver, copper, and nickel deposits.
With the fourth highest population in the World, around 240 million, private
consumption is continuously expanding. Also, being made of 17,000+ islands
makes it ideal for Agriculture, which the world will always have a need for,
and it is a top exporter of palm oil (alternative fuel prospects), rubber,
wood, tobacco, cocoa, coffee, tea, spices and shrimp.
There are also encouraging signs of foreign investment coming in, as more
favorable laws are passed, and reforms promote the investment process, as
foreign direct investment jumped 150% from 2006 to 2007.
The Indonesian (IDX) Fund will come with some added volatility (1.8 Beta and 
36.45% annualized
volatility) and may not be for the safer crowd, but offers possible huge 
returns,
and has the lowest correlation of all economies to the developed markets
that make it an attractive addition to any portfolio.
I recently highlighted Indonesian Telecom (TLK) as a great investment idea
for an individual stock in the region, but for traders with access to foreign
markets, many of the mineral and coal plays trade at a valuation much lower
than US counterparts, and offer attractive reward/risk scenarios.


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[ob] KOMO naik

2009-05-10 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Cramer: This Rally Isn’t Over
Friday, 8 May 2009
Investors can buy almost any bank for the next week, Cramer
said, as this group emerges from the black hole into which the credit crisis
had pulled it. In fact, he called this a once in a lifetime move in the
financials.
Oil Settles Above $58 on Hopes for
Economic Revival
By: Reuters | 08 May 2009 | 03:27 PM
ET 
Oil settled above $58 barrel on Friday after positive data on the U.S.
economy.

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[ob] Senin, apa yang turun Mbah ?

2009-05-10 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Mbah, kira2 saham apa yang akan turun  untuk ngebalance komo yang naik ? Salam 
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[ob] Mbah, saya ikut prihatin

2009-04-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Mbah yang baik, nubie ikut prihatin atas dibanned milisnya sendiri. Atas signal 
yang diberikan Mbah  Senior OB tentang wave 5 dari awal hingga CLOSED, saya 
ucapkan terima kasih.  Hari ini nubie ikut rute pendek angkot Prof JT. Salam
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[ob] The bear may finally be beaten...

2009-04-02 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Rally May Finally Beat Down Bear
CNBC.com | 02 Apr 2009 | 03:00 PM 
The bear may finally be beaten.
As investors digested this week's flurry of good news—or
at least better-than-bad news—talk grew that the long slog through the
debilitating bear market could be over.
The world is not going to
zero, Nadav Baum, managing director of investments at BPU Investment
Management in Pittsburgh, says of investor sentiment these days. Things
seem to be getting better. Deals are getting done and people have more swagger
in their step. So maybe we are coming out of something.

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[ob] Global stocks set for best month in over 6 years

2009-03-31 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Global stocks set for best month in over 6 years
uesday March 31, 2009, 4:32 am EDT
LONDON (Reuters) - World stocks looked set on Tuesday to achieve their best
monthly performance in more than six years in March, while commodity prices
also rose and the Japanese yen fell.
The MSCI World index (^MIWD0PUS - News)
strengthened 0.6 percent and was on course to record its biggest monthly rise
since October 2002. But the global stock index is still down more than 12
percent this quarter after losing 22.7 percent in the October-December period
last year.
The macro landscape has been stabilizing, which has helped equities
bounce back from historical lows. But to really improve market sentiment, we
need to see the data improving and not just stabilizing, Jacques Henry,
analyst at Louis Capital markets in Paris.
In Europe, the FTSEurofirst 300 (^FTEU3 - News) index advanced 1.8
percent, and UK retailer Marks  Spencer (LSE:MKS.L - News)
soared 10 percent after reporting a smaller-than-feared drop in fourth quarter
underlying sales, lifting other embattled retailers.
The FTSEurofirst 300 is also up for the month, but still down more than 13
percent in the first three months of the year.


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[ob] Dangerous Unintended Consequences ..

2009-03-24 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dangerous Unintended Consequences 
by Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D. 
Dear Subscriber,
I've just returned from Washington, DC, where I held a press conference at the 
National Press Club and a round-robin series of meetings with members of 
Congress ... with more to come this week. 
Let me first tell you what I told them. Then, I'll explain what I think you 
should do about it ... 

Why Banking Bailouts, Buyouts, and Nationalizations 
Can Only Prolong America's Second Great Depression 
And Weaken Any Subsequent Recovery
(Edited Transcript of Press Conference Presentation)

The
Fed Chairman, the Treasury Secretary and Congress have now done more to
bail out financial institutions and pump up financial markets than any
of their counterparts in history.
But it's not nearly enough — and, at the same time, it's already far too much.
Two years ago, when major banks announced multibillion-dollar losses in 
subprime mortgages, the world's central banks injected unprecedented amounts of 
cash into the financial markets. 
But that was not enough.
Six months later, when Lehman Brothers and AIG fell, the U.S. Congress rushed 
to pass the TARP, the greatest bank bailout legislation of all time. 
But as it turned out, that wasn't sufficient either.
Subsequently,
in addition to the original goal of TARP, the U.S. government has
loaned, invested, or committed $400 billion to nationalize the world's
two largest mortgage companies ... $42 billion for the Big Three auto
manufacturers ... $29 billion for Bear Stearns, $185 billion for AIG, and $350 
billion for Citigroup ... $300 billion for the Federal Housing Administration 
Rescue Bill ... $87 billion to pay back JPMorgan Chase for bad Lehman Brothers' 
trades ... $200 billion in loans to banks under the Federal Reserve's Term 
Auction Facility (TAF) ... $50 billion to support short-term corporate IOUs 
held by
money market mutual funds ... $500 billion to rescue various credit
markets ... $620 billion in currency swaps for industrial nations ... $120 
billion in swaps for emerging markets ... trillions to cover the FDIC's new, 
expanded bank deposit insurance, plus trillions more for other sweeping 
guarantees.

And it STILL wasn't enough.

If
it had been enough, the Fed would not have felt compelled this week to
announce its plan to buy $300 billion in long-term Treasury bonds, an
additional $750 billion in agency mortgage backed securities, plus $100 billion 
more in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac paper. 

Total
tally of government funds committed to date: Closing in on $13
trillion, or $1.15 trillion more than the tally just hours ago, when
the body of this white paper was printed. 

And yet, even that astronomical sum is still not enough! 

Why not? Because of a series of very powerful reasons:

First, most of the money is being poured into a virtually bottomless pit. Even
while Uncle Sam spends or lends hundreds of billions, the wealth
destruction taking place at the household level in America is occurring
in the trillions — $12.9 trillion vaporized in real estate, stocks, and
other assets since the onset of the crisis, according to the Fed's
latest Flow of Funds.

Second,
most of the money from the government is still a promise, and even much
of the disbursed funds have yet to reach their destination. Meanwhile,
all of the wealth lost has already hit home — literally, in the
household.
Third, the government has been, and is, greatly underestimating the magnitude 
of this debt crisis. Specifically,
The
FDIC's Problem List of troubled banks includes only 252 institutions
with assets of $159 billion. However, based on our analysis, a total of
1,568 banks and thrifts are at risk of failure with assets of $2.32
trillion due to weak capital, asset quality, earnings, and other
factors. (The details are in Part I of our white paper, and the
institutions are named in Appendix A.)


When Treasury officials first planned to provide TARP funds to Citigroup,
they assumed it was among the strong institutions and that the funds
would go primarily toward stabilizing the markets or the economy. But
even before the check could be cut, they learned that the money would
have to be for a very different purpose: an emergency injection of
capital to prevent Citigroup's collapse. Based on our analysis,
however, Citigroup is not alone. We could witness a similar outcome for
JPMorgan Chase and other major banks. (See Part II of our white paper.)
AIG is big. But it, too, is not alone. Yes, in a February 26 memorandum, AIG 
made the case that its $2 trillion in credit default swaps (CDS) would have 
been the big event that could have caused a global
collapse. And indeed, its counterparties alone have $36 trillion in
assets. But AIG's CDS portfolio is just one of many: Citibank's
portfolio has $2.9 trillion, almost a trillion more than AIG's at its
peak. JPMorgan Chase has $9.2 trillion, or almost five times more than
AIG. And globally, the Bank of International Settlements reports a total of 
$57.3 

[obrolan-bandar] Chartist Analyist yang jago

2009-02-17 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Mbah  Senior OB, ramalan chartist DOW ke 7500 memang NYARIS terbukti 
(terlampir dibawah sebagian) Tapi mereka masih kalah ama Mbah  Senior2 yang 
suka kasih KOMANDO  SIGNAL. Thanks



Peter D. Schiff says economy heading
to first depression since 1930 
Posted: Oct 28, 2008 4:04 PM 

Peter Schiff or Dr. Doom sees the economy heading to its first depression since 
1930.

He sees the Dow heading to 7,500, 6000, 5,000 or lower we just have to wait and 
see.

He also says in 5 years the Dow will be below where it is today and Obama's 
term will be known as the depression era president.  
 
Ride
the Wave Back To 7500
December 3rd, 2008 
The market is looking at a weaker
open today after yesterday’s textbook rally following Monday’s collapse. 
The options recommended in the last post are still worth holding if you did not
cash out yesterday for a quick double.  At the close yesterday, I added
some December 80 put options in the Diamonds Trust index (DIA today:75.75 
Hi/Low 52wk:74.50-131.29) for $279 per contract.  Today is not
looking good, and several pieces of news support a further decline.
Research in Motion (RIMM today:44.64 Hi/Low 52wk:35.09-148.13) started things 
off by cutting earnings
and revenue targets for the third quarter.  The Labor Department also
announced productivity growth for workers has dropped from 3.6% in Q2 to 1.3 in
Q3.  And later in the week, we get more unemployment numbers, which are
also expected to rise.
This week could be extremely ugly
but I am playing it rather conservative with the 80 puts.  They should
open above $300 today but I am expecting a double within the next week. 
For higher risk/reward, if the DOW does
take a dive back toward 7500 then any put with a strike in the low 7000’s could
lead to a triple or more with a potential freefall on the horizon.


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[obrolan-bandar] OOT :Dream liner untuk si KOMO ?

2009-02-15 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear Senior OB, Apakah stimulus $ 787b -Boeing Dream liner akan berpengaruh 
untuk harga komodity ? diantaranya $120b untuk infrastructure.  Naik Boeing 
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[obrolan-bandar] OOT : judul bombatis lagee..

2009-02-10 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, Jangan2 Inilah.com cocok buat tukang c. Salam he..he


11/02/2009 - 04:52
BUMI SOS, IHSG Bakal Tenggelam!
INILAH.COM, Jakarta - Wajah muram
Bursa Efek Indonesia kemungkinan akan terpancar lagi pada perdagangan Rabu ini
(11/2), yang lagi-lagi diakibatkan faktor eksternal.
Hancurnya indeks Dow Jones lebih
dari 380 poin semalam dan anjloknya harga minyak mentah di bawah US$ 38 per
barel, tak dipungkiri akan menjadi penghambat paling besar terhadap pergerakan
harga saham di bursa regional dan bursa lokal hari ini.
IHSG yang kemarin mulai berkurang
tekanannya karena pulihnya beberapa saham unggulan, dan juga berkat dorongan
kuat dari saham Bumi Resources (BUMI), sepertinya tidak akan terjadi lagi hari
ini.
Asumsi itu cukup kuat karena melihat
begitu besarnya penurunan yang terjadi di bursa saham terbesar dunia itu dan
juga di pasar minyak. Saham-saham tambang yang kerap menjadi market mover 
kemungkinan akan mengalami tekanan hebat.
Apalagi muncul pernyataan dari
Menteri Perminyakan Aljazair Chakib Khelil bahwa OPEC tidak akan terlalu
memaksakan diri untuk mengurangi lagi produksinya jika minyak stabil di kisaran
US$ 40 per barel. 
Selain itu, hancurnya saham-saham
perbankan di Wall Street terkait dengan kecemasan pasar atas kemungkinan tidak
berjalannya rencana Depkeu AS senilai US$ 2 triliun, diperkirakan akan
mengirimkan sentimen negatif ke pasar regional dan global. 
Dengan tekanan yang begitu hebat di
pasar minyak itu, kemngkinan akan memberikan sinyal negatif terhadap investor
Bumi Resources (BUMI), yang paa perdagangan kemarin cukup kuat menahan indeks
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[obrolan-bandar] 'Darah' Masih akan Menetes di BEI

2009-02-09 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, judul yang bombatis Salam

10/02/2009 - 05:01
'Darah' Masih akan Menetes di BEI
INILAH.COM, Jakarta - 'Pendarahan'
yang terjadi di Bursa Efek Indonesia Senin (9/2), sepertinya akan berlanjut
hari ini jika mengacu pada kondisi eksternal yang mendukung ke arah pelemahan.
Perdagangan di Wall Street yang
berakhir mixed, dengan penguatan hanya dinikmati indeks Standard 
Poor's 500, sementara Dow Jones dan Nasdaq teronggok di zona negatif, tentu
akan menjadi pertimbangan tersendiri bagi investor untuk bertransaksi hari ini.
Investor di Wall Street semalam
dicemaskan oleh belum golnya pembahasan paket stimulus Barack Obama senilai
lebih dari US$ 800 miliar, yang diharapkan dapat segera membangkitkan
perekonomian AS.
Selain itu, laporan keuangan dari sejumlah perusahaan raksasa AS yang
diperkirakan memburuk, juga membuat investor was was. 
Ditambah lagi dengan kabar anjloknya harga minyak mentah di bawah level US$
40 per barel, langsung merontokkan harga saham-saham energi. Tentu kondisi itu
menggerus indeks harga saham di bursa saham terbesar dunia itu.



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[obrolan-bandar] Raw materials rally, fuelled by oil, metals gains

2008-12-15 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Raw materials rally, fuelled by oil, metals gains
* Reuters, Monday December 15 2008 
* Industrial raw materials rally;
eye OPEC cuts, China boost
* Copper, oil up more than 2 pct,
rubber surges 7 pct
By Nick Trevethan
SINGAPORE, Dec 15 (Reuters) -
Industrial raw materials led commodities higher on Monday, as investors
anticipated big cuts by oil producer cartel OPEC this week and on hopes that
Beijing's plans to reflate its economy will boost demand for base metals.
Sentiment also got a lift from sharp
gains in Asian equity markets, declines in the dollar, and hopes that the White
House can salvage plans, scuttled by lawmakers on Friday, for a lifeline for
U.S. auto industry.
London copper futures bounced more
than 2.8 percent and crude oil rose 2.2 percent after China announced plans to
boost money supply by 17 percent over the weekend and investors anticipated
tighter energy supplies.
U.S. light crude for for January
delivery rose $1.04 to $47.34 a barrel by 0630 GMT, having risen earlier to
$47.41.
OPEC ministers are in agreement on
the need to cut output when they meet on Wednesday in Algeria to prop up
sagging prices, OPEC President Chakib Khelil said on Saturday, but declined to
say by how much the organisation would cut.
OPEC's bullish comments on
supply cuts, such as 2 million barrels per day, is supporting the price,
said Ken Hasegawa, a commodity derivatives sales manager at broker Newedge in
Tokyo.
Iran will propose that OPEC cuts its
oil output by between 1.5 and 2 million bpd, Iran's oil minister was quoted as
saying on Sunday.
China aims to increase its money
supply by 17 percent in 2009, Beijing said over the weekend, as it unveiled a
broad blueprint for easing financial conditions to help oil the wheels of the
world's fourth-largest economy.
That's a very big increase
relative to growth and inflation expectations, and if (banks) can be induced to
lend, it should significantly reflate the economy, said Wensheng Peng,
economist at Barclays Capital in Hong Kong.
 
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[obrolan-bandar] DOW naik 11 % Oil 8 %

2008-11-24 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dow's biggest 2-day run since '87
Citigroup
rescue and Obama economic team picks propel stocks. Dow sees its biggest
two-session point gain ever and biggest two-session percentage gain in 21
years.
  

Oil to $80 as OPEC Cut Expected
OPEC meets Nov. 29 to consider
further output cuts as oil's price continues to fall. Gareth Lewis-Davies from
Dresdner Kleinwort sees the oil cartel cutting production and the cut
stabilizing the market. He also sees oil at $80 by year end.

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[obrolan-bandar] Polling the big 3 auto industries

2008-11-19 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear Senior OB, DOW  new low. Bagaimana kalau the big 3, tidak di bail out ? 
... Salam


CNBC Poll: Tell Us What You Think
 What happens if the auto industry doesn't get a government bailout?   * 21085 
responses 
 Big selloff in stock market
48%   
 Little selloff
31%   
 No selloff
12%   
 Don't know
9%


  
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[obrolan-bandar] Akra Sobi

2008-11-03 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear Senior OB, AKRA  SOBI 2 bersaudara apakah mau turun lagi ? Adakah CA yang 
membuat turun ? Kinerja Q3 AKRA kemarin bagus. Thanks atas infonya



  
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[obrolan-bandar] Commodities...

2008-10-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
In Times of 'Zombie Banks,' Buy
Commodities: Jim Rogers
| 22 Oct 2008 | 05:51 AM 
The fundamentals for commodities were not affected by government
policies that are propagating inflation, Jim Rogers, CEO of Rogers
Holdings, told CNBC Wednesday.
I bought more agriculture this week, Rogers
told Squawk Box Europe. What's happening is that there will
be less supply of everything if we ever come out of (the credit crunch). Nobody
can get a loan for a zinc mine or, long term, increase crop production.
If history is any guide, things
to buy are things that are doing fine right now like water treatment companies
in Asia or agriculture, Rogers added.
Treasury
Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke should resign
for keeping alive zombie banks that should be allowed to fail, he
said.
The Japanese government refused to let financial
institutions fail in the 1990s, Rogers said. 
It's 18 years later and
their stock market is 75 or 80 percent below what it was 18 years ago, he
added.
Rogers also said that
interest-rate cuts are coming.
I know we are going to get
aggressive rate cuts everywhere, that's why I'm long short-term government
bonds in the U.S., but shorting long-term government bonds because it's not
going to help, it's going to add to inflation, he said.
dstdst



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[obrolan-bandar] OOT : reduksi 1 atau 2 juta barrel ?

2008-10-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
OPEC Wants You To Pay More for Gas
By Vivienne
Walt/Paris Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2008
For many consumers, the only silver lining on the global financial crisis
has been the falling oil price it has precipitated. But OPEC is determined to
put an end to the relief at the gas pump. Concerned to protect their countries'
financial health, oil ministers from the 13 members of the cartel of
oil-producing countries meet in Vienna on Friday with only one item on their 
agenda — cutting their oil output in order to
drive up world prices. Oil prices have been slashed by more than half in just
three months, from $147 a barrel in July to as low as $67.50 a barrel on
Wednesday. That has prompted current OPEC president, Algerian Oil Minister
Chakib Kjelil, to propose that the group cut up to 2 million barrels from its 
daily 32-million barrel output,
hoping to push the price back up to about $90 a barrel. The effect would be to
raise prices in the U.S. and Europe, just when Western leaders are scrambling
to soften the landing of their slowing economies. OPEC's proposal, fumed
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown last Friday, is absolutely
scandalous.Never much loved outside of its member states, OPEC is a
convenient whipping boy for leaders responding to consumer pain, but oil 
analysts
say it may not deserve all the blame. Its members have certainly earned mammoth
windfalls from rocketing oil prices over the past year, but some face the
prospect of domestic political upheaval if oil prices fall too low. The recent
windfall has, for example, given Iran — OPEC's second-biggest oil producer — a
cushion to neutralize the impact of Western sanctions over its nuclear program,
and to ameliorate the effect of a struggling economy. But because Iran imports
crucial refined diesel to keep its cars and factories running, it needs to sell
its crude oil for $60 a barrel or more, according to oil analysts. So,
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has plenty of incentive to push his OPEC
colleagues to vote for production cuts: If falling prices force his government
to cut its heavy gasoline subsidies, he won't help his chances of reelection in
a tough presidential race next June. There is a lot of popular unrest
when they cut subsidies or put on gas quotas, says Robert Johnston,
Director of Energy for the Eurasia Group in Washington. For similar reasons,
Venezuela President Hugo Chavez wants OPEC to cut production by about 1 million 
barrels a day, warning
that his country would face dire economic problems if oil prices continue
falling.The needs of gas-guzzling Western nations, however, are exactly the
opposite. Ironically, though, a falling world oil price negates the goal stated
by Barack Obama and John McCain to cut America's dependence on foreign oil,
especially from the volatile Middle East. That's because although it only
accounts for about one-fifth of U.S. imports, oil from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and
other Middle Eastern countries is
much cheaper to produce than the more politically popular alternative
of oil drilled in Canada or the United States. Even more than the lower prices,
OPEC leaders have been jolted by the lightning speed with which they have
tumbled. But their influence over prices is more limited than many in Western
countries believe, or OPEC members would like: OPEC members, in fact, produces
only one-third of the world's oil; the rest comes from Canada, Russia, Mexico,
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[obrolan-bandar] CNBC Poll Bail out : abis lebaran

2008-09-25 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, iseng2 ikut poll CNBC mengenai bailout :


CNBC Poll: What Do You Think?
 When do you think Congress will pass the financial bailout bill?   * 23317 
responses 
 Over the weekend
36%   
 Friday
21%   
 Not until next week
19%   
 Never
14%   
 Don't know
6.3%   
 Thursday
3.7%


  
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] TA: EUR?USD Next Week

2008-09-20 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Thanks pak Jos, kayaknya euro naik terus, khan dollar lagi banjir. Saham komo 
nanjak terus. Salam



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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] TA: EUR?USD Next Week


EUR/USD membentuk TRIANGLE FLAG (segitiga warna kuning), kemungkinan minggu 
depan akan BOUNCING di dalam segitiga tsb. Bila menembus keatas maka EURO akan 
meneruskan RALLY, demikian juga komoditi. Bila sebaliknya grafik menembus ke 
bawah maka EURO akan koreksi ke 1.3880-1.3775, demikian juga komoditi  IHSG 
akan KOREKSI.
Gambar: (bila tidak keliatan bisa KLIK DISINI: EURUSD TRIANGLE )
Good Luck
rgs,
JM


  
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Panic buying

2008-09-19 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Ibu Tan, newbie ikutan aja apa kata Ibu. abis bener sih... Salam  Thanks 



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Terkirim: Jumat, 19 September, 2008 16:16:41
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Panic buying


Puihhh.. very tired in a busy market.. panic buying, you may call it. Sorry 
forgot to sent you email yesterday and today.. maintain balance cash and equity 
:-) 1900 resistance but still room to go up.. 


  
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[obrolan-bandar] Elaine...2 thumb up

2008-09-17 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Postingan Ibu Elaine soal oil kebawah $ 90 mungkin bisa mungkin juga tidak. 
tapi jelas nembus $ 100. Artinya Elaine bisa ngalahain Goldman  CNN Money 
straff writer.  Salam



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Terkirim: Rabu, 17 September, 2008 17:57:51
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Goldman Sach menurunkan target oil dari 147 ke 115 
(bloomberg)


Goldman Sach menurunkan target oil dari 147 ke 115 (bloomberg)

Dulu ketika minyak mau turun, GS prediksi minyak minyak akan 
naik ke 147.

Masih mending battery mobil GS, engga banyak prediksi...hehehe. ..




  
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[obrolan-bandar] Berkat OENTOENG...jadi cuan

2008-09-16 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Berkat hint dari pak Oentoeng, kalo bull rider. newbie cuan walau keluarnya 
kecepetan. Thanks pak, keep posting pls



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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Gelar Pendekar Tangan Kosong .Re: MITOS si BEJO 
(The Untold Story)


--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, oentoeng_qq 
oentoeng_qq@ ... wrote:

 Sekarang ini kalau sudah banyak yg bosan bahkan muak dengan 
postingan 
 saya, lebih baik saya take a rest dulu sambil nungguin apakah 
level 
 15xx bisa terlihat pada tahun ini?

Tadi jam 09:48 BEI telah mencapai mencapai 1598.702 
Berarti sudah MATCH...

Target berikutnya: 13xx

Semoga bisa membantu...
Sehingga sedekah yg anda salurkan TIDAK SALAH ALAMAT!?


 Very sorry ini memang bukan prediksi untuk harian, tapi sesuai 
 permintaan yaitu untuk masa mendatang...
 
 
 Good Luck !
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Buat penyebar rumor FED RATE UP

2008-09-13 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Bernanke May Be Wrong:
Next Fed Rate Move Might Be Down, Not Up
Sept. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben
S. Bernanke and his fellow policy makers agreed at their August meeting
that their next move on interest rates would probably be up. They may turn out
to be wrong. 
Inflation looks likely to ebb, thanks to falling commodity prices and
contained labor costs.
The U.S. economy, meanwhile, may be set to take another lurch down as consumer
spending gives way and the credit crunch intensifies with the plunge inLehman 
Brothers
Holdings Inc.'s shares. 
``If the consumer balance sheet starts to unwind quickly, you'd get another
disinflationary force and then the Fed would be brought back into play with
lower rates,'' says Mohammed
El- Erian, co-chief executive officer of Pacific Investment Management Co.
in Newport Beach, California. 
Bernanke and his colleagues are likely to hold their benchmark rate at 2 percent
when they meet Sept. 16 and may keep it there until 2009, trading in federal
funds futures indicates. Still, the odds of a rate cut by year-end have been
growing. As of yesterday, futures trading showed about a one-in-three chance of
a December reduction, up from zero odds at the beginning of September. 
San Francisco Fed President Janet
Yellen left open the possibility of a rate cut in comments to reporters
after a Sept. 4 speech in Salt Lake City. ``There is some chance'' of easing
credit ``if things start going seriously wrong,'' she said. 
Policy Decision 
She made clear, though, that she agreed with her fellow policy makers, who
``generally anticipated that the next policy move would be a tightening,''
according to the minutes of the Fed's last meeting on Aug. 5. 
If the Fed instead ends up lowering borrowing costs, it wouldn't be the
first time Bernanke and his colleagues have been forced to shift their stance
from fighting inflation to supporting growth. When the credit crisis first
struck in August 2007, the Fed cut its discount rate on loans to banks just 10 
days after declaring that inflation was its
overriding concern. 
Investors have remained on edge since then, even after the Fed-assisted
takeover of Bear Stearns Cos. in March and the rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac this month. Shares in Lehman Brothers dropped more than 70 percent this 
week as the firm reported
a record $3.9 billion loss for the third quarter and concern mounted about its
capital levels. 


  
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[obrolan-bandar] BBRI masuk top asia versi Forbes...tapi jatuh paling dalam

2008-09-05 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear Senior OB, BBRI jatuh paling dalam. Salam sama2 nyangkut besok ! he2x


The Fab 50
1. Acer 
2. Angang Steel 
3. Asustek Computer 
4. Bank Rakyat Indonesia 
5. Bharat Heavy Electricals 
6. Bharti Airtel 
7. BHP Billiton 
8. Brambles 
9. Cheung Kong Holdings 
10. China Construction Bank 
Bank Rakyat Indonesia 
09.03.08, 6:00 PM ET 
 Previous: Asustek Computer Next:Bharat Heavy Electricals   

Industry: Banking 
Country: Indonesia 
Size  Valuation  Performance 
Market Value $8.1 bil  Forward P/E 12  5 yr avg ROC 1 22%  
Sales $2.7 bil Price to Sales 2.6  EPS Growth Est 2 21%  
 Dividend Yield 3.4%  

Lends to small business, including the woman in the market selling vegetables,
farmers raising chickens and growing rice, traders taking the rice to market,
weavers, fishermen and cooks. The government owns 57%, but Bank Rakyat,
which means People's Bank, claims to have been profitable for 20
years, even during the Asian financial crisis. 570 branches across Indonesia's
mostly rural archipelago collect savings from 33 million mostly lower-income
customers. Does good and does well; return on capital has averaged 22% over the
last 5 years.







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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Serbu Finansial Stock NOW!!


 
 


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[obrolan-bandar] Semoga hari ini IHSG naik disemua sektor

2008-08-26 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear para senior OB, Semoga doa newbie terkabul. DJIA walau volume tipis tapi 
hijau  minyak juga naik gara2 Gustav datang sampai 5 hari kedepan.Salam


Sector
summary DJIA
Sector Change 
Basic Materials +0.70%  
Capital Goods +0.30%  
Conglomerates -0.16%  
Cons. Cyclical +0.66%  
Cons. Non-Cyclical -0.54%  
Energy +1.30%  
Financial +0.44%  
Healthcare +0.11%  
Services +0.02%  
Technology -0.15%  
Transportation +0.15%  
Utilities +0.73% 
 
 Gustav Biggest Threat to Gulf Oil
Since Katrina
Aug.26
1:56 PM ET 
The oil market's taking notice that
Hurricane Gustav could be the first major storm to wreak havoc with Gulf of
Mexico oil production areas in several years, and it should be clear by the
weekend just how serious that threat could be. 
This could be the most
significant storm in that area since Katrina and Rita in 2005, said John
Kilduff, M.F. Global senior vice president. 
Oil prices are up today on both concern about Hurricane Gustav and on increasing
geopolitical tension, as Russia formally recognized the breakaway Georgian
regions. Gustav is a category one hurricane and could soon reach category two
level. Natural gas futures were also up sharply. 
Oil [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
116.40.13  (+0.11%)   ], though, is off its highs for the day, and GRZ 
Energy's Anthony
Grisanti told CNBC's Rebecca Jarvis at the NYMEX that some models are showing
that the hurricane could cross the Gulf south of the oil production areas,
reducing the risk. 
I think the bottom's in for
now. I don't see $115 (per barrel) being tested, said Kilduff, a CNBC
contributor. The storm situation may be serious enough to get us back
over $120 and possibly maintaining that level. 


  
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] BI Rate

2008-08-26 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak JM, ada kemungkinan BI rate naik 0,25 % lagi di awal Sep. Kalau nggak 
salah, salah satu yang prediksi itu adalah UBS deh. Ada komentar lain dari 
rekan OB ?Salam 



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Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Agustus, 2008 08:32:42
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] FOMC Minutes


Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) setuju untuk menaikkan RATE. 
Tetapi tidak dijelaskan kapan timingnya, jadi SAMA AJA BOHONG.
Bisa bulan depan, 3 bulan lagi atau malah tahun depan.

Traders malah pesimis tahun ini bakal ada kenaikan. Karena survey 
mengatakan hanya ada 22% kemungkinan FED Rate bakal NAIK 0.25% sampai 
akhir tahun.

Good News-nya, FED Rate belum akan naik dalam waktu dekat:
1. Memberi napas untuk oil rebound dulu. Saham komoditi bakal ikutan 
naik.

2. BI Rate yang sudah naik 100 basis poin. Tetapi FED Rate belum naik 
sedikitpun masih di 2%. Tentu konyol kalo BI RATE tetap naik bulan 
September ini. Jadi kemungkinan BI Rate TETAP, good for Banking  
Property.

rgs,
JM




  
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[obrolan-bandar] Opa Buffet nambah NRG Energy Conoco

2008-08-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear All, opa Buffet nambah saham NRG Energy  Conoco. yang lihainya : nambah 
pas lagi turun. Salam

Aug.14
5:32 PM ET 
Warren Buffett Adds NRG Energy
Stake, May Have Bet Against InBev's Bid for Anheuser-Busch
Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway
has added a new stake in NRG Energy 
according to a just-released
portfolio 'snapshot' of its holdings in U.S. publicly-traded stocks as of June
30.
At today's closing price of $35.22,
the 3.2 million shares are worth about $113 million.  NRG shares are down
from a near-term high of about $44 in mid-June, so Buffett may have taken a
short-term hit on his new holding in the Texas energy
provider.
The Berkshire filing also says that
some confidential information has been omitted from the portfolio
listing, including information regarding Berkshire's position in ConocoPhillips 
  I assume that means Berkshire
is adding to its position in Conoco, listed at 17.5 million shares worth $1.33
billion as of March 31, but there's no way to know for sure.
We also don't know if Conoco is the only stock included in the secret part of 
Berkshire's filing with the
SEC.   Buffett oftens gets
permission to temporarily hold back information on some holdings to thwart
'copycats.'
Today's SEC
filingdoes reveal additions to
Berkshire's stakes in Sanofi Aventisand Ingersoll-Rand  
Berkshire's stake in Ingersoll
soared more than 500 percent, from 937,000 shares on March 31 to 5.6 million
shares on June 30.  The Sanofi stake increased by 8.8 percent, or 317,200
shares to 3.9 million shares.  (The number of Berkshire's Union Pacific 
shares doubled from the first
quarter due to a 2-for-1 stock split in late May.)



  
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[obrolan-bandar] ITMG ...tobathh dah...

2008-08-13 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Newbie sekarang minus dikit, beli dibawah. Kalo besok masih turun... bisa 
gulung2..cape d..



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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] ITMG ada apa?


Revenue up by 51%, tp harga stock ITMG dihajar -9% ada apa yah? Miss 
expectation?
Sudah boleh dicollect di harga segini?


  
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[obrolan-bandar] OOT : Golok nancap dikelapa.....

2008-08-11 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, dikiranya turun cuma 5-7 %, nggak taunya ada yang sampai  10 %. 
yachgolok nancap dikelapa... Salam sama2 nyangkut yuk



  
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[obrolan-bandar] Stocks Ready to Rally Now That Worst Is Over: Analyst

2008-08-11 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear all, agar jangan nyungsep terus...posting ya enak2 aja.he2x

Stocks Ready to Rally Now That Worst
Is Over: Analyst
By CNBC.com | 11 Aug 2008 | 05:38 AM
ET 
Just
the potential for a U.S. recovery will bring the enormous amounts
of under-invested cash back into the stock market and could send shares higher
in the near tem, Philip Manduca, head of investments at ECU Group told
Squawk Box Europe.
I do believe there is a sentiment out there, right
or wrong, that the US is going to recover, he said. 
There is this feeling that
the worst is behind us in terms of the housing market … and there is a feeling
that economic indicators that are coming out (of the U.S.) are less bad than
they were estimated to be.
I know that there's an
enormous amount of money on the sidelines that is under-invested… if you get
any further rally in the US market it will self-propel, Manduca added.
Inflation in the U.S. and Western Europe is not
domestic, but imported and this may bring relief to investors who may expect
central banks to embark on an easing cycle, Manduca added. 
But economic growth prospects are
still gloomy and getting into the equity markets is still tough, he said.
The current correction in the price of oil shows that
speculators have driven the market for the past six months and they were
allowed to do so because it was one of the few areas where banks were still
making money, he said.But commodities prices
will remain high, with the price of oil depending on how much Asia, and
especially China, will slow down in the following months, Manduca added


  
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[obrolan-bandar] Plantation shares seen dragging Malaysia stocks lower

2008-08-10 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
FYI, Pak JM, ABN, Senior OB, namanya juga ramalan. Salam

Plantation shares seen dragging Malaysia stocks lower
Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:45pm EDT
 
KUALA
LUMPUR, Aug 11 (Reuters) - Malaysian stocks are
expected
to ease on Monday, with more selling
pressure likely
in the
plantation stocks amidst falling crude palm oil prices,
dealers
said.
 We see a further slide in the CPO
prices, as supply is
exceeding
demand, while declining crude oil prices have also
lowered
the attraction for biofuel, said a dealer at a major
local
brokerage house.
 This means that the plantation stocks,
including big caps
like
Sime Darby and IOI Corp are likely to see more selling and
could
drag the index down, the dealer said.
 Sime Darby (SIME.KL: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock
Buzz) is Malaysia's biggest listed firm,
while
IOI Corp (IOIB.KL: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock
Buzz) is ranked sixth in terms of market
capitalisation.
 Both the firms lost 10.26 percent and 9.45
percent
respectively
last week, much more than the nearly 2.5 percent
fall
in the benchmark Kuala Lumpur Stock Index .KLSE.
 On Friday, the index closed 0.9 percent lower
at 1,120.31
points.
The August index futures KLIQ8 put the index at
1,118.0
points.
 Dealers said the next support level for the
index was seen
at
1,098 points.


  
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[obrolan-bandar] BBKP apa kabar ?

2008-08-08 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak JM, Aria S.  Senior OB, Mohon pencerahan dihari yang INDAH he2X. 
Omong2 BBKP beberapa hari ini volume gendut2  (tgl 8, 6,5) tapi harga mandeg di 
400. Kalo mau turun, nggak usah bilang2. Salam.
NB : Kalo minyak turun terus, maka bursa IDX bakal ANEH. Banyak  yang 
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[obrolan-bandar] OOT : Semoga ada angin segar di Selasa Malam

2008-08-03 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
 Dear Senior OB, Semoga ada angin segar di Selasa Malam dari si botak. Kalo 
mengharap emas hitam turun dalam sih sulit. Wah,  kalo tak ada angin segar bisa 
berantakan. Salam dari newbie yang mo blanja Senin. 


Japan
close to declaring recession
By David Pilling in Tokyo, FT
Published: August 3 2008 17:47 |
Last updated: August 3 2008 17:47
Japan’s government may be forced to declare that the country has
entered a technical recession, according to several economists, although any
downturn is likely to be far shallower than previous contractions in 2001 and
1998.


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: OOT : Enaknya...belanja di SENIN


Rasanya hari ini ada koreksi. Jadi belanjanya lebih murah hari ini kan?

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sulistyo_winarto@ ... wrote:

 Dear Senior OB, mohon advice : apakah belanja lebih mudah di hari
 Senin ?  Salam hormat. 
 
 
 
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  Dear Senior OB, enak jualan dulu. mumpung porto biru semua. Salam
CUAN !
 





  
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[obrolan-bandar] Juli, minyak akan turun terus ?

2008-07-26 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak JM  Senior OB, apakah minyak bakal turun karena Arab + Angola mulai 
menaikkan produksi minyak di Juli  stagnant demand  menguatnya $. Salam
NB : jangan liat prediksi  Analis kalo minyak menuju $83/barrel (CNBC)



  
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[obrolan-bandar] Minyak - 1,78 % tapi coal + 6 % jadi....

2008-07-25 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, jadi Senin beli saham coal aja...Salam



  
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[obrolan-bandar] Minyak $125 Coal - 4,19 %

2008-07-23 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Maaf pak Rheza, baru bisa balas. Coal bisa dilihat di DOW Jones coal index 
(DOWI:DJUSCL) (terlampir)...Salam
NB : Disclaimer ONwong cuma bisa copy paste he2x


Oil Settles Below $125, Hitting a
Six-Week Low
Sectors:Oil
and Gas
By Reuters | 23 Jul 2008 | 09:40 AM
ET 
Oil prices fell $4 to a six-week low
Wednesday after a U.S. government report reinforced concerns high prices and
economic turmoil were slashing into the nation's energy demand.
The slide extends oil's losses to
more than $20 from the all-time peak above $147 a barrel hit July 11—the
steepest drop in dollar terms in the market's history.
The deteriorating demand
picture reinforces our belief that oil prices are approaching a tipping point,
investment bank Lehman Brothers said in a research note.
U.S.
crude oil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
124.480.04  (+0.03%)] fell $3.98 to settle at $124.44 a barrel after 
touching a low of
$124.30. London Brent 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
125.35-4.20 
(-3.24%)] crude fell $4.11 to $125.44 a
barrel.
The losses came after the U.S.
Energy Information Administration released a report showing a surprisingly
large increase in domestic gasoline stockpiles last week, accompanied by weak
implied demand.


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Coal - 6,85 %  Oil turun  $3


dapet data Coal intraday di US -6,85 % tu liatnya dmn pak?

thx b4

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 Pak JM  Senior OB, Bakal merah tuakah IHSG hari ini ? Coal intraday
di US -6,85 % sempat sampai - 8%. Minyak sempat turun  $ 5. SALAM 
 
 
 
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Coal - 6,85 % Oil turun $3

2008-07-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak JM  Senior OB, Bakal merah tuakah IHSG hari ini ? Coal intraday di US 
-6,85 % sempat sampai - 8%. Minyak sempat turun  $ 5. SALAM 



  
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[obrolan-bandar] YPAS...bandarnya sadizz

2008-07-21 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, Ada yang suka YPAS  sikarung plastik ? Seperti perangkap serangga. 
Harga dinaikin, lalu setelah laler pada ngumpul. Harga diturunin - 8 % hingga 
ke 460. Sore dinaikin ke 490.  Kalau udah CL semua, dikerek lagi ke 600. Salam.



  
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[obrolan-bandar] Iklan : sektor2 yang naik

2008-07-16 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, Kalo ngikutin DJIA sektor yang naik adalah :

Sector
summary
Sector Change 
Basic Materials -0.06%  
Capital Goods +2.39%  
Conglomerates +2.66%  
Cons. Cyclical +3.57%  
Cons. Non-Cyclical +0.91%  
Energy -1.24%  
Financial +6.69%  
Healthcare +0.55%  
Services +3.08%  
Technology +2.43%  
Transportation +5.31%  
Utilities -0.76%  


  
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Turun semua..

2008-07-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak JM, newbie SETUJU BANGET NGET !! Salam.
BBRI  UNVR moga2 naik 


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Turun semua.. :-(


SttBank, Consumer, infrastructure !

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 CPO turun, Coal turun, nikel turun.. Apa dong yang naik supaya IHSG 
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[obrolan-bandar] Cum date, update

2008-07-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, Mohon inputan update cum-date terbaru
Tgl 15/7 : GJTL Rp 5, HEXA Rp 21
Tgl 16/7 : TPIA Rp 200
Tgl 17/7 : TINS Rp 1772
Tgl 21/7 : ANTM Rp 215,2
Tgl 28/7 : BUMI Rp 45, TSPC Rp 25
Salam


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[obrolan-bandar] OOT : Plywood rekan

2008-07-13 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, harga plywood  rekan di thn 2008  2007. Harga FOB Indonesia  Malay 
 Brasil. Penurunan import US, mungkin karena krisis perumahan. Mudah-mudahan 
tidak mempengaruhi emiten di Indonesia. Salam 



  
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[obrolan-bandar] PGAS....poco-poco

2008-07-07 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Aria S  Senior OB, tul khan PGAS poco2 di 12350 ? tapi support kayaknya 
kuat di 12300 an. BUY atau sabar nunggu di 11500 ? Salam



  
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[obrolan-bandar] Asian palm-oil industry rating outlook positive - Moody's

2008-06-29 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Mbah, nebeng nonton BF di Lampung .Salam


Asian palm-oil industry rating
outlook positive - Moody's
| 26 Jun 2008 | 02:09 AM ET 
MUMBAI (Thomson Financial) - Moody's
Investors Service said it has a positive rating outlook for the Asia Pacific's
rated palm-oil industry over the next 12 to 18 months after a rapid rise and
continued high prices for crude palm oil (CPO) in the past 18 months
strengthened balance sheets of Asian palm-oil producers, who responded by
buying more plantations and increased planting of greenfield properties.
Peter Choy, Moody's vice president,
senior credit officer and the lead author of the report, said most issuers are
now more inclined to focus on organic growth, to delay their downstream,
bio-diesel projects due to higher feedstock costs and to avoid new purchases
amid higher asset prices.
The positive outlook for the
sector will not necessarily translate into upgrades for rated firms because the
market is at a cyclical peak and some issuers are still integrating earlier
expansions or are still small, Choy said.


  
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[obrolan-bandar] OOT : komoditas Beras tidak naik... syukur

2008-06-27 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB, hanyakomoditas beras yang UN-CHANGED diBloombergtv. selainnya naik 
semua. Ya syukurlah. Salam newbie nyangkuter



  
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] UNSP...tobat2 dech

2008-06-26 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Thanks pak Vincent  Hani P., emang jitu nasehatnya. Mbok ya posting ulasan CPO 
cepetan gituu. Kayaknya si Minyak yang bikin susah bakalan naik lagi ya ? Thanks



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Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] UNSP...tobat2 dech


dgn harga cpo yg koreksi dibawah trendline, pajak export dinaikin 5% knp unsp 
musti naik cepet cepet

Prasetyo, Hani Hani.Prasetyo@ standardchartere d.com wrote: 
Om Sulis kecepetan masuknya…. Kalo ngungsep  ke 1700 – 1800 baru oke masuknya…
CPO lagi koreksi… PE…. Mungkin udah mulai musim panen SAWIT ya… 
Temen2 ada yang punya report industri sawit yg bahas dari proses tanam sampei 
CPO siap ekspor.. 
tolong dishare dong


 
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] On Behalf Of Sulistyo Winarto
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:47 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] UNSP...tobat2 dech
Dear OB-er, kemarin dikira beli di 1930 udah murah. Eh, malah turun ke 1910. 
Padahal saudara Agri pada naik. UNSP bikin kuciwa. he2x...Salam nyangkuter 
(gara2 ngikutin analyst)
Analyst: Christine Salim (6/24/2008 2:31:00 PM)
Bakrie Sumatra Plantation (UNSP) – Maintain BUY
Price: Rp1,980 – Target Price: Rp2,550 
Aggressive Expansion Mode
· Aggressive expansion. 
· Sales will jump after ARBV consolidation.
· Greenfielddevelopment acceleration.
· CPO and rubber prices remains high
· PER’08 will decline to 11.7x from current 15.1x after ARBV 
consolidation 
·Reiterate BUY, target price Rp2,550/shr (29% upside)
E-Samuel


 
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[obrolan-bandar] ALMI JPRS ..diam2

2008-06-25 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB-er, Mohon valuasi ALMI  JPRS. Diam2 merangkak naik. ALMI bagi deviden 
Rp 50 ntar 17/9/08 melebihi deviden BUMI...he2x..becanda aja... Salam 



  
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[obrolan-bandar] GJTL...ada ngeguyur ?

2008-06-25 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear Para Senior OB YTH, di GJTL harga awal 450 lalu turun perlahan ke 430. 
Pada sore hari, harga 430 langsung jatuh ke 400. lalu rebound ke 425.  Apakah 
MU, PG atau AY yang ngeguyur ? atau ada yang ngeshort ? Mohon 
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[obrolan-bandar] UNSP...tobat2 dech

2008-06-25 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB-er, kemarin dikira beli di 1930 udah murah. Eh, malah turun ke 1910. 
Padahal saudara Agri pada naik. UNSP bikin kuciwa. he2x...Salam nyangkuter 
(gara2 ngikutin analyst)

Analyst: Christine Salim (6/24/2008 2:31:00 PM)
Bakrie Sumatra Plantation
(UNSP) – Maintain BUY
Price: Rp1,980 – Target Price: Rp2,550 
 
Aggressive Expansion Mode
· Aggressive expansion. 
· Sales will jump after ARBV consolidation.
· Greenfield development acceleration.
· CPO and rubber prices remains high
· PER’08 will decline to 11.7x from current 15.1x after ARBV
consolidation 
·Reiterate BUY, target price Rp2,550/shr (29% upside)
E-Samuel


  
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[obrolan-bandar] OOT :TINS...kenapa tidak terkoreksi ?

2008-06-24 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear para Senior OB, harga timah turun -2,6 %, tapi harga TINS malah naik ? ada 
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] BUY CPRO ??

2008-06-23 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak KIM  Herman, bisa dibaca di Kontan hari ini tapi dikolom RUMOR hal 4. 
Salam no opinion


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Terkirim: Selasa, 24 Juni, 2008 09:32:43
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] BUY CPRO ??


Pak Herman, is it true? 
Kalau ada info boleh japri ke saya, karena utk hal ini saya tidak menerima 
kabar sedikitpun.


- Original Message 
From: Herman Tobing herman.tobing@ gmail.com
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:57:38 AM
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] BUY CPRO ??


Pemiliknya akan melepas sebagian sahamnyaplacement  untuk bayar hutang . Jadi 
mungkin masih akan turun lagi.

Salam ,

Herman 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Liong Oei [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: 24/06/08 7:40 AM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] BUY CPRO ??

Sejak kemarin banyak yang bahas, ada yang pro bull, ada yang pesimis.
Mana yang benar 
 
Kalau kita lihat pergerakan saham ini dari 700 bisa turun ke 240, dan main biz 
adalah si bongkok udang.
Gambaran saya sbb:
 
1. Waktu terjadi pembelian aset Dipasena oleh CPRO, maka CPRO mendapat hiu 
yang masih harus dirawat agar bisa berfungsi opmtimal. Nah selama masa 
perawatan ini harga akan turun. Simple.
2. Jika sudah sehat (biasanya secara optimal bisa makan waktu 2 - 3 tahun, ini 
meliputi perbaikan prasarana, pembangunan cold storage + pabrik pakan dan 
manajemen) , maka hiu siap dilepas utk mencari laba.
3. Pertanyaannya apakah hiu ini semakin sehat atau lebih banyak bolak balik 
ke meja operasi? Secara jangka pendek (dalam 6 - 12 bulan), jika ada kenaikan 
produksi 50%, maka bisa dikatakan hiu bertambah sehat. Ini adalah indikasi 
yang paling sederhana.
4. Saya melihat CPRO sekarang sudah  on the right track. Secara pasar di 
tahun 2009 - 2010, apakah orang masih suka dan mau makan udang? Kalau ya, maka 
prediksi Pak Victorinus Andrew  bisa menjadi kenyataan. Banyak org yang dari 
makan tempe akan makan kaviar.. Atau Elaine prediksi TP 2000?
5. Terakhir, semua investasi ada resiko. Dan sekali lagi saya belajar dari Bp. 
SB, kita berusaha secara maksimal dan sisanya serahkan ke YME.
Ini penting supaya bisa tidur enak, karena di biz tambak resikonya tinggi 
sekali juga. Jika ada sakit, bakteri, virus atau perubahan pola makan, maka 
bukan tidak mungkin kebangkrutan di depan mata.
 
Semoga bermanfaat.

- Original Message 
From: Salomo Gaol [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:13:20 PM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] BUY CPRO!

Hemmm,
as the old saying goes:
i will believe only after i put my finger to the hand!
Salam,
slg

On 6/23/08, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg wrote:
 LOL... kamu lucu deh, honey.  [:p]
 Jadi hari ini kamu beli CPRO? ...



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 you.can.call. me.elaine@ ... wrote:

 *Here comes the shocking news!*

 Sector: Aquaculture

 *CPRO – Central Proteinaprima, Tbk (CPRO IJ)*

 IDR 250/Target Price: IDR 2000something



 With neither governments nor oil companies looking like they are going
 to
 take any action, the current high oil prices are likely to continue
 for some
 time. Gas prices at the filling station will stay high too, so the
 average
 motorist is going to get no relief from the huge monthly gas bills he
 or she
 is facing. As a result of this, there are products on the market
 claiming
 that they can tell you how to run your car on shrimp - this sounds
 too
 good to be true, so what's the truth?



 The truth is actually somewhere between the fact and the hype. What
 these
 systems do is feed SHRIMP gas into your engine along with the regular
 gasoline. SHRIMP gas is created by passing an electrical current, say
 from
 your car battery, through plain shrimp. Remember your chemistry from
 High
 School? The formula for shrimp is all bull***t - two parts
 exoskeleton, one
 part is whatever. SHRIMP has the same proportions, but the two
 components
 are mixed, rather than chemically combined. The SHRIMP gas increases
 the
 efficiency of your engine dramatically, and although some systems
 claim a
 100% reduction in fuel consumption, most people achieve an increase in
 MPG
 of about 50% - still pretty impressive!



 Right now you're probably thinking that if these products are really
 that
 good, they must be expensive. And where can you get them? In fact, the
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 Are you sick of high gas 

[obrolan-bandar] LTLS UNSP cumdate hari ini ?

2008-06-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB,  LTLS  UNSP cum-date hari ini ya ? Thanks



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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] GGRM...Buktikan Hijaumu

2008-06-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Bandar Junior, newbie emang beli di 6650. Cuma iklannya khan tunjukkan 
MERAHMU. Udah masang juga di 6550. Moga2 dapet berkah bln Juli'08. Salam siap 
nyangkut di GGRM. Thanks pak


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Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] GGRM...Buktikan Hijaumu


GGRM akan bagi dividen Rp.250,- cum 18 Juli 

Akan ada satu lagi berita yg sangat positif mengenai aksi korporasi GGRM, just 
watch it closely.  Kalau berita ini keluar, insya Allah slogan GGRM akan 
menjadi BUKTIKAN HIJAUMU

6650 harga bagus buat collect

Invest Wisely 


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From: sulistyo_winarto sulistyo_winarto@ yahoo.co. id
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] GGRM...tunjukkan MERAHMU
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 3:05 AM


Pak Aria S  Tasrul, GGRM mantap rasanya koq turun terus ? Salam

 



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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] TENDER OFFER APEX !!!

2008-06-21 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak qasuaribo, APEX tanpa TO pun sudah pernah di 2500. Begitu melihat turun 
dalam, newbie nyoba kemarin balik beli  di 1850. Moga2 bisa turun lagi di 1750. 
Salam nyangkuter


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] TENDER OFFER APEX !!!


Sejujurnya memang saya kena (ketipu) TO nya APEX ini. Resiko di BEI. 
Tapi ada yang sangat mengganjal pikiran saya. Ketika APEX membuat 
keterbukaan informasi akan akuisisi + TO. Transaksi Apex menjadi luar 
biasa besar dan naik hebat sekali. Saya yakin banyak fresh money dari 
institusi yang biasa parkir diluar bursa ikut masuk. Bayangkan cuma 
nunggu waktu 2 bulan bisa cuan 20%-25%. Tapi pada harga 2200-2250 
begitu banyak yang berebut ngedump saham ini. Sangat mencurigakan. 
Setelah itu BAPEPAM LK ngeluarin indikasi peraturan baru, yang sangat 
aneh!. Sungguh suatu permainan 'CANTIK'. Saya cuma bisa ucapkan 
SELAMAT Anda berhasil dan sukses !!!. .




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[obrolan-bandar] Global market crash ? DJIA Kamis malam ?

2008-06-18 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Para Senior  rekan OB, Mohon dikaji kembali lampiran berita global market 
crash. Mungkin ada udang dibalik Ote2..Siapa tau RBS punya maksud tertentu 
...Salam dari newbie yang nyangkut hari ini  esok.
NB : Kamis malam, DJIA laporan Jobless + Phil. FED survey



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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] ASII sales up 30% (fresh from oven)

2008-06-16 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Mbak Diana L., bukannya berita itu udah tgl 2 Juni ? Salam ya


Indonesia's May vehicle sales up 29 pct y/y
Mon Jun 2, 2008 5:39am EDT
JAKARTA, June 2 (Reuters) - Indonesia's vehicle sales are estimated to have
risen by 29 percent in May to 49,500 units from a year ago, despite a
government decision to hike fuel prices by 30 percent that month, an industry
official said on Friday.
Jodjana Jody, head of sales at Toyota Astra
Motor, told Reuters that Toyota (7203.T: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) 
sold
17,522 units last month, up 32.9 percent from the same month in 2007. 
Toyota Astra Motor, owned by PT Astra International Tbk ASII.JK, the largest
automotive distributor in the country, is the distributor of Toyota cars in
Indonesia. 
Indonesia's automotive was severely hit the last time the government raised
fuel prices in October 2005, but the sector has started recovering from that
slowdown. 
Sales in the first four months of 2008 rose by nearly 60 percent, helped by
lower interest rates and despite the country's consumer confidence being dented
by building inflation. 
However, analysts say the central bank's decision last month to hike its
benchmark rate by 25 basis points, the first hike since late 2005, could hurt
sales in the future. 
They say high inflation from rising food prices and energy costs could also
weigh on the automotive industry. 
But some analysts and industry experts have said that they still expect this
year's vehicle sales to top 500,000 units, compared to 434,449 units in 2007,
even after the hike in subsidised fuel prices.


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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Cum date bbri

2008-06-15 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak deephouses 123. cum-date BBRI 18/6/08 Rp 195.
Mudah-mudahan BBRI bisa jaya lagi, tapi rasa2-nya agak sulit, ada sentimen 
rate. Thanks


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Cum date bbri


Mau nanya cum date bbri 18 
juni atau 20 juni ya? 




   
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[obrolan-bandar] APEX tender offer Agustus

2008-06-10 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Kang Ocoy  Senior OB, APEX tender offer di Agustus harga tetap 2.450. Newbie 
mohon saran apakah untuk dapat + 13% harus nungguin 2 bulan ?...Salam



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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] APEX

2008-06-09 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Irawan, seneng APEX juga toh ?? he2x...sama. newbie collect sebelum 
cum-date , termasuk Abang-nya. Salam cuan


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Terkirim: Senin, 9 Juni, 2008 14:24:36
Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] APEX


tapi asal mau break high digembosi KZ melulu tuh...
knapa ya ?



2008/6/9 Bet Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] com:

apex 1-2 minggu ini bisa lebih rame lagi krn ada tawaran yang menarik dari 2 
investor lainnya selain mira ... sprt bisa lebih tinggi dari 2500
 


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From: Irawan Sudarman [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
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Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 12:04:31 PM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] APEX


pantes aja volumenya nge-joss..!!
mau bikin cup and handle kyknya.


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Bls: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] APEX RESMI

2008-06-09 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Kang Ocoy,  Pak Irawan  Landlord, APEX resmi dijual ke MIRA kemarin di 2450. 
cum-date udah lewat 4/6/08.
mah jualnya kalo nggak kuat nanjak lagi. kemarin keder di MEDC  5500 ada 
10.000 lot + diguyur terus.
Moga2 Selasa tak ada scenario yang aneh2... Salam newbie


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Topik: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] APEX


Pak Sulis,

Saya mAh malah Daftar Ujian CFA ni Full dibayarin Gain Singkat dr si
APEX Nih, kekekeke. coba waktu itu dikasih beli di cenggo padahal
Frederikksen aja lepas ni barang 2340 Taon Lalu. ekekekekek.. .. 

Tos Dulu Ah sesama PengCollect APEX. tp jujur mah saya ga rela kalo yg
ngambilnya MIRA. kasian si APEXnya... 

Mo Dilepas di berapa nih kira2 pak?. saya sebagian udah diambil
gainnya buat daptar ujian, sebagian lagi mo tunggu tendernya beres.
gainnya lmayan bisa beli gadget2 baru. minggu depan ada pameran
komputer lg. ekekekekek. 

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sulistyo_winarto@ ... wrote:

 Pak Irawan, seneng APEX juga toh ?? he2x...sama. newbie collect
sebelum cum-date , termasuk Abang-nya. Salam cuan
 
 




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[obrolan-bandar] OOT :berkah CPO , bisa naik rating Fitch

2008-06-06 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Indonesia's Ciliandra Perkasa IDR
raised to 'BB-'; outlook stable - Fitch
| 06 Jun 2008 | 03:36 AM ET 
BANGALORE (Thomson Financial) -
Fitch Ratings said it has raised Indonesia-based palm oil plantation company
P.T. Ciliandra Perkasa's issuer default rating (IDR) to 'BB-' with a stable
outlook from 'B+', citing the company's improved financial, operating profiles
and the ratings agency's expectation that Perkasa will continue to further
improve its credit metrics. At the same time, the ratings agency has upgraded
Ciliandra's national long-term rating to 'A+(idn)' from 'A(idn)'. The company
should maintain its strong operating cash flow generation, supported by the
anticipated increase of its crude palm oil (CPO) production and the current
high CPO prices, Fitch said.
The ratings agency said the company
may acquire further land for future development despite having a large
unplanted land bank, but Fitch added this can instead be done by its parent
company - Singapore-listed First Resources Ltd. - which owns 95.51 percent of
Ciliandra.
Always...kompor mode



   
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[obrolan-bandar] AALI cum date..Benny S

2008-06-06 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
To : pak Benny, kura2 dalam perahu..pura2 tak tau. AALI cum date 16/6. Rp 
625/shm.. Salam


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Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] MINYAK TEMBUS $133, PESTA CPO DAN BATUBARA


Ngomong2, ada yang tau kapan cum date AALI  pembagian devidennya ya
advise please,,

Ben

abdulrahim abdulrahim wrote:

 2008/6/6 Bumi T [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.id mailto:t_bumi% 40yahoo.co. id:
  Banyak pengamat minyak menyatakan minyak bahkan bisa tembus $ 150
 
  di Juni 2008.
 
  HAPPY CUAN UTK INVESTOR CPO DAN BATUBARA !

 Kira2 kapan bisa pesta saham CPO pak TBUM?

 Soalnya sejak om TBUM bilang saham CPO bakal menggeser saham Coal dan
 Nickel (weekend kemaren ngomongnya), saham CPO terjun bebas semua
 deh. khi khi khi (seemingly, some bandars are watching you)
 Klo gak nunggu deviden, udah gw buang semua tuh AALI.

 




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[obrolan-bandar] Oil $150 By July 4?

2008-06-06 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Posted By:Lee
Brodie
Topics:Economy
(U.S.) | Stock Market| Stock Picks
Sectors:Oil
and Gas
Oil prices 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
138.5410.75  (+8.41%)]shot
up nearly $11 to a new record Friday after Morgan Stanley predicted prices
would hit $150 by the Fourth of July. The unprecedented jump is all but certain
to drive gas prices well past the $4 mark in the coming weeks. 
Oil's meteoric surge, which pushed
prices more than 8 percent higher in a single day, added to a huge increase
Thursday to cap oil's biggest two-day gain in the history of the New York
Mercantile Exchange. The burst higher -- which also came on rising Middle East
tensions -- also raised the prospect of accelerating inflation by adding to
already strained transportation costs.

What does this mean for the stock market? For further insights we turn to
strategic investor Dennis Gartman. Following is a synopsis of his main points.
What happened on Friday?
The oil trade has come unhinged,
Gartman says. I am completely afraid to trade crude oil. I’ve doubled up on my
nat gas stocks as a kind of hedge. 

What’s gone wrong?
I think the floor itself has become
de-populated, Gartman replies. Large traders who in the past might have taken
the short side of the trade to create liquidity are simply not there. Everyone
has pulled their horns in. There’s an illiquid market and Friday the news out
of Israel and Iran as well as the Morgan Stanley $150 estimate created the
perfect storm.
Does this increase the chance of
government intervention?
You
bet, he says. I have to think more government officials are looking at the $11
jump in crude and saying we have to do something.


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[obrolan-bandar] MIRA TBLA, warrant cair

2008-06-04 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Senior OB, kemarin TBLA  MIRA turun. apakah gara2 warrant-nya cair hari ini ? 
inflasi dong. Salam



   
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[obrolan-bandar] Prediksi BI rate 9 % diakhir 2008

2008-05-23 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Irawan S,  Jos M,  Senior OB, mengingat BBM mau naik  inflasi juga 
ikutan. maka diprediksi BI rate harus naik mengimbanginya.
Mohon petunjuk  komentar disektor mana yang masih berkembang. ...salam dari 
newbie yang nyangkut  rame2 SIPD di 50.
NB : special thanks to Boyz  Aria S untuk PTBA-nya



  
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Saham2 di 52 week low

2008-05-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear friend, ISAT , TLKM, KLBF, TSPC, BMTR, KOIN, MAPI sudah disekitar 52 week 
low. Malah BMTR sudah dibawah 52 week low. sedangkan ISAT  TLKM barusan naik 
dikit (malu kale). Kasihan khan investor yang taun lalu beli saham. Salam



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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA ke 12.500 + ENRG ?

2008-05-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto

Pak Boyz, PTBA OK sedang ENRG juga pak ?
Salam ..mo ikutan


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Terkirim: Kamis, 22 Mei, 2008 23:19:02
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA ke 12.500


Duh,  belum sempat lihat-lihat chart nih...
kayaknya PTBA akan membuat J curve lagi... 
Bro jsxtrader  rekan-rekan lain, any comment? 
(ngomporin mode on) 


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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] SIPD bergerak

2008-05-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Mo_cuan, SIPD diantri  YU, ZP, DD, HK.. padahal saham ganjal pintu. Jangan2 
mau digoreng lagi !. Ikutan goreng yuk ?
Thanks


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Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SIPD bergerak


ada berita apa yah???
kayaknya sipd bakal ke 100-an lagi nih...
+++mo cuan pengen liat sipd nyalip BTEK hahaha+++

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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA ke 12.500

2008-05-22 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Boyz  Aria Santosa.Thanks atas tips nya. Kalo tiap hari ngasih hints. 
Moga2 amal Bapak dapat berkah dari YME. Thanks berat


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA ke 12.500


Duh,  belum sempat lihat-lihat chart nih...
kayaknya PTBA akan membuat J curve lagi... 
Bro jsxtrader  rekan-rekan lain, any comment? 
(ngomporin mode on) 


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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar TSPC pelit!

2008-05-21 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Ini saham khusus buat orang tua atau jantungnya lemah... Nilai betanya dibawah 
1. butuh 1 minggu untuk keluar dengan cuan yang tipisss. Mending TINS, ASII, 
BRPT,MIRA, ENRG.. Salam


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Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar TSPC pelit!


Walah, sekarang banyak dedemitnya om mending jauhin aja tuh barang.  ga kayak 
tahun-tahun waktu masih buat pabrik baru di cikarang 
Lagi-an tuh prsh banyak akal bulusnya sama karyawannya. 


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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:50:41 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Bandar TSPC pelit!


Ngantri di 520 dari pagi gak dapet-dapet nih... Bandarnya yang pelit 
atau akunya yang terlalu nawar kemurahan ya...? he he...

Salam,
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[obrolan-bandar] Iklan : TOP 10 Winner 2008 versi majalah Globe

2008-05-21 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
FYI, cuplikan majalah Globe Asia edisi Perfect storm  :energy  commodity will 
continyu to enjoy strong growth in 2008 despite a weaker global economy.
TOP 10 WINNER :
1. BUMI - mining
2. PTBA - mining
3. MEDC - Oil
4. ENRG - Oil
5. AALI - Agro
6. LSIP - Agro
7. UNTR - Heavy eq.
8. UNSP - Agro
9. UNVR - consumer
10. KLBF - pharmacy 

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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] SMGR bagi dividen

2008-05-20 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Irawan, cement industries sensitif pada BBM  inflasi. Jadi sama2 dech 
nunggu turun dulu. kayaknya beberapa hari ini ada kesempatan belanja. Salam 
dari newbie.
NB : BBM untuk industri emang udah naik, cuman industri masih banyak yang 
ngeteng di SPBU + lain tempat 


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Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SMGR bagi dividen


Iya, tekanan jualnya lumayan kuat.
Tapi saya yakin harganya engga bakal turun banyak, pak.
Paling banter ke 4200. 
Kalau sampai ke 4000, pasti udah diserbu ama retailer.


2008/5/19 www.titan [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.tw:

SMGR 29MAY 2008 CUM dIVIDEN Rp. 149,66
Kok melorot ya hari ini...?

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[obrolan-bandar] Mohon arahan..minyak masih naik terus vs IDX

2008-05-20 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Mbah  Senior OB, Mohon arahan / tips buat newbie.
CNBC 20/5/08 : bilang kalo demand minyak lebih besar daripada supplynya

2001: Crude oil SUPPLY EXCEEDED demand by more the 1
million barrels per day. (Supply: 76.7 million bpd / Demand 75.7 million bpd) 
2008: Crude oil DEMAND EXCEEDS
supply by almost 5 million barrels per day. (Supply: 82.6 / Demand 87.23) 

Sedangkan estimasi UBS  JP Morgan, IDX target 2008 = 2850 - 2900 an.Kalo ada 
sign Bullish dari OB, ya belanja terus.

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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kumpulan Berita Buruk Hari Ini

2008-05-17 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Boyz  Riky W., masih ada lagiBila BBM naik, maka WAJIB BI RATE 
naik..Koq pada nakutin newbie trader sih ?...Salam Disclaimer


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kumpulan Berita Buruk Hari Ini


hehehe...
Bener tuh, very bad news. Terutama poin no.3.
Terbukti kok historically, kalo musim bola -spt piala dunia - nilai transaksi 
BEI langsung turun.
Money flow analysis, uang bandar hengkang dari bursa and pindah ke pertaruhan 
bola.


salam,


--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Ricky Wakiman ricky.wakiman@ ... 
wrote:

 Ada tiga berita buruk hari ini yang mungkin bisa berpengaruh pada BEI:
 
 1. Menurut Menko Boediono, setelah naik 30%, pemerintah akan menerapkan smart 
 card. Harga BBM tanpa smart card (kartu kendali) akan disamakan dengan harga 
 pembelian di pasar dunia atau harga pembelian industri secara 
 bertahap.(Catatan: pada tanggal 15 Mei harga premium di pasar internasional 
 sudah setara Rp 9.450,- atau sekitar 100% lebih tinggi dari harga di sini 
 saat ini.)
 
 2. Pada berita berjudul serem Ekonomi di Tepi Jurang di Kompas hari ini, 
 PBB memperkirakan angka pertumbuhan ekonomi dunia hanya akan capai 1,8% 
 sepanjang tahun 2008 akibat masalah penurunan sektor keuangan dan perumahan 
 di AS yang diperkirakan akan terus berlanjut sampai 2009 sehingga memperburuk 
 krisis kredit di negara-negara industri maju. Hal ini diperburuk dengan 
 anjloknya kurs USD, ketidakseimbangan global, naiknya harga minyak, pangan 
 dan komoditas lainnya.
 
 3. Kontan hari ini memilih headline Kepulauan Riau Setuju Ada Kasino. 
 Disebutkan bahwa, selain Pemprov, sebagian anggota DPR juga sudah setuju. 
 Diperkirakan jumlah turis ke Bintan akan naik 8 kali lipat menjadi sedikitnya 
 3 juta orang setahunnya. (Komentar: Bisnis ini akan menjadi saingan berat 
 bagi BEI karena sebagian pemain saham gorengan dan short term trader akan 
 memindahkan operasinya ke kasino tersebut. :-))
 
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] bisnis operator telkom mirip bisnis angkot

2008-05-16 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Para senior OB, apa hari ini keluar lap keu TLKM ?  kalo bagus dibeli, kalo 
jelek... Salam


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] bisnis operator telkom mirip bisnis angkot


bisnis operator telkom mirip bisnis angkot, yg penting diperbanyak 
terus biar rame dan dapat duit dari izin trayek baru dari angkot.

Kalau gini, TLKM gimana bisa ke 13.000 

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[obrolan-bandar] Pengaruh BBM ke bursa 2005

2008-05-16 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pengaruh kenaikan BBM pada bursa thn 2005, klipping dari Kompas.  Semoga 
bermanfaat. No comment  Disclaimer ON. Salam



   
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI pindah ke PTBA??

2008-05-15 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Aria YTH, BUMI double top reversal di 7700, ada kemungkinan balik ke 7100.
disclaimer paklha wong saya dapet dari orang... Thanks


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Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI pindah ke PTBA??


Pak Wencen Yth,
Terima kasih untuk petunjuknya.
Apakah bisa minta tolong posting gambarnya atau penjelasan teknikalnya
seperti bagaimana utk BUMI  PTBA.
Terima kasih.

Salam,
Ace

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Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI pindah ke PTBA??

Secara teknikal, ptba berpeluang kuat untuk naik.
Bumi hati2 dg profit taking, bisa terkoreksi hingga 7100.Biar aman, 
mending tunggu koreksi dulu hingga paling tidak 7200.
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[obrolan-bandar] FYI : Indonesia GDP

2008-05-15 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Indonesia's GDP Growth Exceeds 6%
for Sixth Quarter (Update2) 
By Aloysius Unditu
May 15 (Bloomberg) -- Indonesia's
economy grew more than 6 percent for a sixth quarter as the lowest borrowing
costs in three years spurred demand for homes and exports advanced on higher
prices of coal and palm oil. 
Gross domestic product in Southeast Asia's
biggest economy expanded 6.28 percent in the three months ended March 31 from a
year earlier, compared with 6.25 percent in the fourth quarter, the statistics
bureau said today in Jakarta. The median forecast of 17 economists surveyed by
Bloomberg News was 6.20 percent. 
Private consumption, which accounts for about 70
percent of the economy, may cool amid plans by the government to raise fuel
prices by as much as 30 percent to cut government outlays. Spending may also
drop after Bank Indonesia raised borrowing costs for the first time in more
than two years to tame the fastest inflation in 19 months. 
``Companies in the consumer sector
will be hit,'' Destry Damayanti, chief economist at PT Mandiri
Sekuritas in Jakarta. ``Higher inflationary pressures have dampened people's
purchasing power.'' She expects growth to slow to 5.9 percent this year after a
6.3 percent expansion in 2007. 
Welfare Minister Aburizal Bakrie said yesterday that fuel prices
will probably be increased 30 percent after the government completes a plan to
compensate 19.1 million poor families for lost income on May 23. 
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, facing elections next
year, wants to thwart protests from the poor, who are already paying more for
staples such as noodles and cooking oil. 
Rising prices of coal, palm oil and
tin helped boost exports by 15 percent, the fastest pace since the last quarter
of 2004. Prices of power-station coal shipped from Newcastle, Australia, the
world's biggest export harbor for the fuel, reached an 11- week high in the
week ended May 9 at $133.6 a metric ton. 
Private Spending 
Private consumption expanded 5.5
percent in the first quarter, almost matching the previous period's 5.62
percent, which was the fastest since the first quarter of 2004. Government
spending grew 3.6 percent in the quarter, and investment rose 13.3 percent, the
statistics bureau said. 
Six quarters of above 6 percent
growth is ``comfortably the longest period of strength since the Asian crisis
and enough we think to be contributing to the sharp pickup in inflation,'' said 
Robert Prior-Wandesforde, a senior economist at
HSBC Holdings Plc in Singapore. ``It's not impossible that inflation will hit
15 percent or so in the next few months.'' 
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
expects higher fuel prices to drive year-on-year inflation to 12 percent in
June from 8.2 percent in April. 
Accelerating inflation and the
proposed fuel price increase may slow sales of cement and motorcycles this 
year. 
Cement, Autos 
``We expect there will be a decline
in cement sales in the second half of the year as the impact of the fuel price
increase'' is felt, said Urip Timuryono, chairman of the Indonesian Cement
Producers Association in Jakarta. ``Companies will finish ongoing construction
projects but they are unlikely to start new ones.'' 
Cement, auto and consumer-related
companies were among those to benefit most from Bank Indonesia's 4.75
percentage points of rate cuts from May 2006. 
Indonesia's construction industry
expanded 8.3 percent in the quarter from a year earlier. Manufacturing grew 4.3
percent in the period. 
Car sales increased 47 percent to a
three-year high last month. Revenue at HeidelbergCement AG's unit PT Indocement 
Tunggal Prakarsa rose to a record
7.3 trillion rupiah last year. 
``People are more cautious now in
buying homes,'' said Hendra Sugandi, a director at PT Lippo Karawaci,
Indonesia's biggest publicly traded real estate developer by assets. 
Indonesia is raising fuel prices to
lower a subsidy bill estimated at about 14 percent of total government revenue. 
Budget Deficit 
Crude oil prices have risen 30
percent this year, increasing the burden on the government, which has kept
local gasoline, diesel and kerosene prices steady for almost three years. 
Concern the deficit would widen
partly explains why Indonesian bonds have handed holders a loss of 8.8 percent
this year, the worst performance of 10 Asian local-currency debt markets,
according to indexes compiled by HSBC Holdings Plc. 
The last time investors lost faith
in the government's ability to curtail its budget deficit in the face of rising
fuel costs, investors dumped Indonesian assets, causing the rupiah to tumble 7
percent to a four-year low in August 2005. 
The government more than doubled
fuel prices a month later that year and Bank Indonesia increased borrowing
costs to 12.75 percent to stem inflation. 
Gross domestic product rose 2.15
percent in the three months ended March 31 from the fourth quarter. Economic
growth may slow to 6 percent in 2008 from 6.3 percent last year as private
consumption will decline, 

Bls: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA sudah masuk jarak tembak

2008-05-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Adam R.  Senior OB yang demen  PTBA, kira2 dalam TP dalam waktu  DEKET  
berapa yah ? Salam dari newbie


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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA sudah masuk jarak tembak


reload, dor.. dor..dor..., reload.. dor dor..dor... 


  
 
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Bls: [obrolan-bandar] TGL BERAPA BBM NAIK??

2008-05-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
SBY bilang kalo BLT dulu jalan baru BBM naik ? yang bener yang mana ? Ada rapat 
paripurna kabinet soal BBM nih
Salam.
NB : BBM  BI rate, musti naik lah




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Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TGL BERAPA BBM NAIK??


rumornya BBM naik besok sore
 
beritanya di : http://economy. okezone.com/ index.php/ ReadStory/ 2008/05/14/ 
20/109293/ pemerintah- umumkan-kenaikan -bbm-besok- sore

 
On 5/14/08, Kidod25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: 
ada yg tahu tgl berapa BBM naik?

17?
24?
31?

dalam bulan mei ini ..

 



  
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Hati2 rumor BCIC

2008-05-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear friend OB, Mohon hati-hati rumor BCIC katanya mau dibeli investor Tim 
Teng, Eropa  USA. saham bakal ke Rp. 200. rumor dah dibantah oleh PD.  PER-nya 
sekarang udah 40 an.  Salam



  
 
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[obrolan-bandar] BUMI ASII...pak Hendrik

2008-05-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Hendrik, Apa bener HARI INI BUMI masih bisa naik ?  Kalo  ASII mungkin iya. 
Mohon pencerahan TA nya donk... Salam 



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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Stock Picking 15/5/2008


BUMI TP 8100
INCO TP 7100

DEWA TP 500 (masih idup juga ni saham ^.^ )

ASII TP 22.500 
(Kenaikan harga BBM masyarakat udah antisipasi sehingga ga akan buat 
penurunan penjualan yang signifikan, mungkin mobil turun penjualannya 
tapi Motor Honda naik ^^)

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[obrolan-bandar] TP PTBA.. Pak Wencen

2008-05-14 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Wencen, TP PTBA di E-Samuel  TRIM adalah 14.000an tapi tidak ada kenaikan 
yang  straight line (terlampir cuplikan).  Salam  Disclaimer



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Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI pindah ke PTBA??


Secara teknikal, ptba berpeluang kuat untuk naik.
Bumi hati2 dg profit taking, bisa terkoreksi hingga 7100.Biar aman, 
mending tunggu koreksi dulu hingga paling tidak 7200.
TP PTBA 12000


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[obrolan-bandar] PER Gozco vs CPO

2008-05-13 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Para senior OB, kalo di KONTAN tgl. 13/5/-8 hal 4, dibilang  PER Gozco sekitar 
7. 
sedang PER versi Kontan untuk CPO : AALI 11,66 ; LSIP 12,96 ; SGRO 9,46 ; UNSP 
30,91 ; TBLA 5,04
Versi Mbah, lihat di investdata aja.
Newbie sih ngikut OB aja...salam


   
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[obrolan-bandar] redemption reksa-dana saham

2008-05-11 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Cuma sharing aja : net redemption reksa-dana saham pada awal bln Mei, Rp. 188 
M. Investor siap2 beli BBM kaleSalam



   
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[obrolan-bandar] Minyak, beda kepentingan maka beda hasil Analystnya

2008-05-10 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Vincent, Andi  Senior OB... Kalau beda kepentingan maka bisa2 hasil 
analystnya juga beda. Lihat Analyst Lehman vs Morgan. (yang satu bilang $80  
satunya ke $200)  Thanks


The Case For $80 A Barrel Oil
05.09.08, 2:37 PM ET
Oil prices may hang above $100 a barrel for the rest of this year but will
fall as low as $80 next year as world demand slackens and Saudi Arabia tries to 
buy influence with the incoming
president by pumping more crude oil, an influential Lehman Brothers analyst 
said in a report issued today.
Saudi engineers have been working on several big projects that could boost
the nation's output by 1.3 million barrels a day--more than the expected
increase in global demand next year--but the secretive nation is likely
to keep its political tool, excess production capacity, close to its chest 
until it has
a new U.S. president to win over, Edward Morse writes. 
Saudi production is currently a little less than 10 million barrels a day.
The Lehman report contrasts sharply with a Goldman Sachs (nyse: GS - news - 
people ) prediction earlier this week that crude prices could soar as high as 
$200
a barrel as non-OPEC producers struggle to maintain output, let alone increase
it.
Crude oil hit a record $126 on the NYMEX Friday, almost double the price of
a year ago.
Only time will tell
who's right, but the analysts at Lehman make a strong case for falling
prices as the markets absorb bearish signs such as the Chinese stockpiling oil
in advance of the Olympics, and the estimated 28 million barrels Iran is
storing in tankers because it can't find a market for the heavy,
difficult-to-refine crude.


  
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Wah... TIN new records

2008-05-09 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Aria S., Angelo  Andi...TIN new record lagi tapi ingat TINS bisa 
anjlok...Salam dari yang nungguin di 30.000


Oil at record $126; tin at new record too
Fri May 9, 2008 5:04pm EDT
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Investment money continued to pour in to energy markets
on Friday, taking crude oil to a fifth straight record-high session, while
soybean prices surged after a sharp cut in U.S. harvest projections. 
In other agricultural markets, rice prices were mixed on lingering supply
woes in Asia and projections for a bumper crop next year GRA/ and soft
food commodities like coffee, cocoa and sugar rose on the back of a weak
dollar. 
In precious metals, platinum hit a near two-month high after the launch of
two exchange-traded notes that will aid investment in the metal used largely in
exhaust emission systems of cars and in jewelry-making. 
Gold prices rose modestly after their recent divergence from the oil rally.
Copper fell after a buildup in inventories at exchanged-monitored warehouses in
Asia although tin hit record highs to buck the weaker trend in most industrial
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[obrolan-bandar] Greenspan, Mining, commodity ...BULL !!

2008-05-08 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Dear OB-ers, barukali ini Pak tua  Greenspan  bicara nggak miring. Mining  
komoditi masih jadi raja. Salam cuan dari newbie yang mau ngurangi porto...


Greenspan says worst of credit crisis over: sources
Thu May 8, 2008 3:48pm EDT
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said on
Thursday that the worst of
the credit crisis is over, according to sources who attended a speech he
delivered in New York.
Greenspan also said house prices still had a
long way to fall and that it was unlikely they would stabilize by year-end,
according to meeting attendees who provided Reuters details of the speech at
the Alternative Public Strategies Conference. 
Conference organizers said Greenspan had requested that members of the media
intending to cover his speech could only do so in their personal capacity and
would not be allowed to report on whatever he said. 
As chairman of the Fed, Greenspan oversaw the reduction of interest rates to
as low as 1 percent, which some critics charge provided fuel for the real
estate bubble. Greenspan has vehemently rejected assertions that he is the
cause of the problem.
US STOCKS-Mining, oil and tech sectors lift Wall St
Thu May 8, 2008 4:43pm ED
By Ellis Mnyandu 
NEW YORK, May 8 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks rose on Thursday as a surge in
global commodity prices propelled mining and energy shares higher, while
technology shares gained after a top strategist said they were a good value. 
Oil prices rose to a third straight closing record high and metal prices
advanced as the U.S. dollar fell, driving up the shares of Chevron Corp (CVX.N: 
Quote, Profile, Research)
and Alcoa Inc (AA.N: Quote, Profile, Research).
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[obrolan-bandar] TINS memble.....

2008-05-07 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Pak Angelo, Andi, Vic  Ricky..koq nggak posting2  soal TINS ?  Newbie kemarin2 
udah siap2 ambil di 3. padahal saat yang tepat : minyak  dollar turun  
harga Tin juga pas turun. Sekarang harga dah naik  Inventory dah -100.  Salam 
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[obrolan-bandar] Saham VS Minyak...terulang

2008-05-07 Terurut Topik Sulistyo Winarto
Oil Rally
May Stall Rebound By US Economy, Stocks
07 May 2008
| 02:20 PM ET
The continued surge in
oil prices is starting to cut into economic growth--and with it, the slowly
recovering stock market.
So
far, the economy and stocks have taken the unprecedented rise in energy costs
in stride. But that's beginning to change. 
Higher oil costs already
are curbing some discretionary spending by consumers, which could slow the
economic recovery. The stock market, in turn, could see its recent rally stall
on worries about oil's impact on inflation and economic growth.  That's
largely what happened in the market on Wednesday. 
And
if stocks fall back, investors are likely to put more money in oil and other
commodities, pushing prices up even more. 
 

Main Street May Rain on Wall Street Recovery Parade
Wall Street seems to have concluded that the worst of the credit crisis
is over and investors are looking to better economic times ahead, but
Main Street is sending the opposite signal.
While banks have raised cash by the billions to shore up
balance sheets that were battered by bad bets on mortgages and other loans, the
front-line staff in charge of doling out that money to consumers and companies
remain downbeat, suggesting that the economy may stay in the doldrums for some
time. 
The U.S. Federal Reserve's
quarterly survey of senior loan officers, released this week, showed widespread
tightening of credit. The percentage of banks reporting tougher lending
standards was close to, or above, historical highs for nearly all loan
categories in the survey. 
Banks clamped down on loans to
companies large and small, to prime and subprime mortgage holders, and on
credit cards, home equity lines and other consumer credit. Most banks blamed a
less favorable economic outlook for the tightening terms rather than their own
bruised balance sheets. 


   
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