RE: Saham 50 -- 5000 Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Hi, Pak Oentoeng, Bpk termasuk langka, oil dll sdh Diprediksi dgn baik Kl ada yg tdk tepat, karena kondisi situasi yg berubah Begitu cepat dan tdk terduga saya rasa semuanya diluar faktor Pd saat ramalan/prediksi dibuat, sperti : Batas AR dirubah dsbnya. Salut atas opini bapak , elaine embah, JT , DE dll Dan juga engkong kita Sbudiana ( ini, yg pendekar T Kosong, sorry Pinjam julukan bpk), harap bapak tdk pelit beri info baik itu Bull atau Bear. Thx u/ semuanya GBU Salam Bambang From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Provokator Saham Sent: 04/18/2009 22:51 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Saham 50 -- 5000 Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , \::Pak_AA:\: abdul.rahman.ra...@... wrote: Oen, bisa refer emailnya Elaine yang bilang ada saham gocapan mau ke 5000? Or El, Can you please help. Or anyone else? I am studying my long term porto Nggak tahu kok ngomong2? Ini sedikit aib buat anda P. AA Tunjukkan bahwa anda emang perhatian kpd EL. Masak EL ngomong nggak diperhatikan? Kali ini saya masih mau bantu lain kali??? http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/122553 Coba paksa El untuk ngomong saham tsb mnrt dia yg mana? Supaya tahu dia ngambek kpd anda atau tidak? Kwekwekwekwek.canda yah pak...
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Untuk trading harian pasti cici Elaine bisa lah, tinggal tulis di OB pasti naek kenceng itu saham. Misalnya BNBR, pasti besok Senin naek yang narik ke atas 5 lot-an nya member OB. thanks cici udah approve Facebook'na Pada tanggal 19/04/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com menulis: Man, you're such a serious guy. Relax. I refuse to be called bandar, I prefer 'financial investment strategist'. Kalau ada trader challenge Elaine untuk day trading, Elaine pasti kalah cuma bisa menangis minta pulang saja.. ha ha ha.. (l...@jt) You and I are not perfect. Let's accept it. [?] Elaine 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. Elaine... Good luck with your road show... Kepergian anda adalah konfirmasi atas evaluasi kesalahan prediksi saya akhir2 ini. Sedikit sharing saja... Sebenarnya saya mulai beralih dari bear menjadi bull saat anda kekeuh akan maju sendiri. So we're officially enemies now. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/137032 Ke-ngotot-an tsb yg membuat saya menjadi penasaran. Saya mulai mencari clue, yaitu dr komposisi portofolio. ...long on housing/construction, autos, infrastructure, commodities, and tech stocks... http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/136138 Dari sector housing (property) tsb lah saya mulai melakukan investigasi Petunjuk itu menjadi lebih terang dg melihat pergerakan CTRA yg dibanting (hingga 142) terus melaju sendirian. Asumsinya di sini terjadi kejanggalan Sektor properti secara FA tdk ada faktor pendukung. Hanya ada sentimen positif bhw SBI cenderung menurun sepanjang th '09. Tapi kenapa hy CTRA yg naik sendiri? Seharusnya bicara sektoral atau grup mestinya diiringi saham2 ciputra atau property lainnya. Singkat cerita saya akhirnya tahu ini adalah salah satu strategi rebalancing. Benernya ada bbrp BD yg melakukan tapi pastinya ada yg terbesar... Dari sini akhirnya saya tahu view dan asumsi mereka; mungkin dlm hal ini Elaine and the gang Fyi...di dunia perbandaran yg paling penting adalah sharing info ataupun view. Dg info yg valid, tinggal teknik dan strategi bagaimana yg perlu diambil untuk menyingkapi info tsb. Simple case...saya merasa harus menghilang di milis OB sampe tujuan anda (short term) kesampaian...hehehe Ada beberapa pengalaman berkesan lainnya. Mungkin masih ada yg bertanya2 tentang decoupling BEI terhadap regional (asia) khususnya DJIA Is it true? Hohoho... Yaitu saat koreksi Dow dari level 82xx sampai 64xx, kenapa saat itu kita tdk mengikuti membuat new low? Hal yg paling penting dipahami adalah mekanisme ttg sebuah crash dari perspektif BEI. Crash bisa terjadi saat ada arus dana yg keluar jauh lebih besar daripada yg masuk. Dan itulah yg terjadi bbrp saat lalu th '08. Namun untuk kejadian di 1Q09 tempo hari, arus keluar di BEI tdk terlalu signifikan, jadinya bear messenger keliatan seperti macan ompong. Salah satunya karena tidak ada amunisi maupun yg diboncengi Daftar short selling pun tdk kunjung direlease... Kondisi dunia perbandaran di BEI, secara umum banyak Bakal (BD local) yg kalah akibat crash di th. '08. Cuman ada 1-2 pihak yg sangat berkuasa terutama thd saham2 peliharaan mereka. Dg dana terbatas yg ada, mereka main tek tok sendiri untuk bbrp saat lamanya. Seiring perjalanan, arus dana mulai ada yg masuk walaupun sedikit, lakunya global bond RI, TO ISAT, dana pemilu, dst... Dg kombinasi itu para BD yg berkuasa ini membuat balancing portofolio supaya keliatan menarik. Target mereka adalah untuk menarik dana segar yg lebih besar... Penjelasannya; dg kondisi yg (katanye) masih suram namun mereka mampu menunjukkan performa yg bagus. Hal ini juga didukung regional yg mestakung bahkan pemilu yg (hingga saat ini) relative lancar. Menurut saya; itulah yg sebenarnya sedang terjadi dengan kenaikan BEI saat ini... Harapannya sekarang... Semoga pemilu berikutnya juga lancar dan upaya EL (and her team)...mampu menarik minat asing untuk masuk dg dana yg lebih besar. Bisa jadi suatu saat nanti Den BEI benar2 mengalami decoupling bahkan menjadi INSPIRATOR bursa asia lainnya untuk naik lebih tinggi meninggalkan Mr. Dow... Ingatlah...saat tahun `08 dimana mayoritas mengatakan (saham2 dan indeks) BAGUS tapi pemilik dana yg memutuskan untuk keluar bisa membalikkan semua penilaian tsb... Semua analis, trader maupun investor TA dan FA yg pro bull dibuat salah semua. Sebaliknya mungkin di kemudian hari mayoritas mengatakan JELEK tapi pemilik dana memutuskan masuk dan beli saham; saham dan indeks akan melaju terus tanpa memperdulikan penilaian mereka. Membuat mereka terus melongo hingga merubah penilaian mereka. Betoel???
[ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
I've never need pride, I never need your prediction El,... but I need your sweet smile only hehehehe Rgrds Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine*
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Semua koq pada nyontek ane DEAR DEAR segala seh ke Elaine Hahaha You got us, El. We now all love you. So if you go, you will break our heart. It's your fault LOL On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Elaine, Trims untuk semua sharingnya, sangat valuable buat kita semua terutama retailer. Baru kali ini saya nemuin ada bd baik hati. :) Good luck with your task, my dear. Regards, DE 2009/4/17 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com *I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine* * * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 349.gif344.gif
[ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Berarti gue bener dong waktu itu. Gak nyangka, Yudizz emang ciamik, hahaha... http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/128772 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_d...@... wrote: THE NEXT BUMI..?!? Hmmm, nice topic.. Infrastructure ya? May I guess, how about BTEL? PER = 8,81x PBV = 0,27x Debt/Equity = 0,41 EV/EBITDA = 2,99 Operating profit margin = 26,84% Sales growth = 82,77% Not bad yeah? Sebenarnya saya tertarik sama potensi saham ini. Tapi kok Bakrie maning, Bakrie maning ya... Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Provokator Saham oentoeng...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Mbah... Berarti kita sama dong. Mungkin hal ini bisa disebut gaptek; tapi itu memang sebuah kesengajaan bagi saya. Karena saya pribadi merasa intensitas waktu di depan monitor sdh sangat tinggi. Sejak pagi byk tersita untuk mengikuti sesi trading di BEI, closing market sy masih suka main forex, punya komunitas sharing juga di sana, nyampe rumah seringkali buat main game, maleman dikit main forex lage, indeks (dow fut), hobi pun masih nonton film, dst. Utk komunikasi dg temen2 lama (kantor, kuliah dst) sekalian ama bozz and para sopir saya lbh suka pake HP. Caranya kl die pake XL saya juga pake XL, telkomsel yah saya pake telkomsel juga, dst (semua operator saya punya) khan semua itu bisa lbh irit, plus nggak cape ngetik, maklum jari2 sdh cape buat trading saham ama main game...hehehe... Elaine... Kalau anda sdh menyatakan hy sbg spam dan sdh ditanggapi oleh Mbah, berarti ancaman tsb sdh tdk berlaku. Bagaimanapun temen2 yg lain akan berterima kasih banget kl anda bersedia sharing sedikit ...PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. di BEI. Sebelum anda berangkat road show... Buat saya, utk hal macam begitu khan kita satu perguruan, jadi bukan hal yg baru. Kayak saham 50 yg akan menjadi 5.000 itu menurut saya yg dimaksud bbrp saat lalu adalah BTEL. Alasannya ini dikaitkan dg booming sector telekom di masa depan, kebijakan tdk adanya penambahan freq baru oleh pem. RI sehingga asing yg masuk ke RI harus berpartner atau akuisisi (mis: QTEL thd ISAT) disandingkan dg posisi BTEL sbg pemenang tender freq tempo hari saat bersaing dg operator lainnya dst... Bener nggak EL? Please reconfirm...
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
*Elaine tidak paksa, I just thought that I could know you better, that's all. Tidak mau juga it's okay. Anyway, please join OB donation program. Bakrie telecomm? It's good one too. Elaine** * 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Mbah... Berarti kita sama dong. Mungkin hal ini bisa disebut gaptek; tapi itu memang sebuah kesengajaan bagi saya. Karena saya pribadi merasa intensitas waktu di depan monitor sdh sangat tinggi. Sejak pagi byk tersita untuk mengikuti sesi trading di BEI, closing market sy masih suka main forex, punya komunitas sharing juga di sana, nyampe rumah seringkali buat main game, maleman dikit main forex lage, indeks (dow fut), hobi pun masih nonton film, dst. Utk komunikasi dg temen2 lama (kantor, kuliah dst) sekalian ama bozz and para sopir saya lbh suka pake HP. Caranya kl die pake XL saya juga pake XL, telkomsel yah saya pake telkomsel juga, dst (semua operator saya punya) khan semua itu bisa lbh irit, plus nggak cape ngetik, maklum jari2 sdh cape buat trading saham ama main game...hehehe... Elaine... Kalau anda sdh menyatakan hy sbg spam dan sdh ditanggapi oleh Mbah, berarti ancaman tsb sdh tdk berlaku. Bagaimanapun temen2 yg lain akan berterima kasih banget kl anda bersedia sharing sedikit ...PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. di BEI. Sebelum anda berangkat road show... Buat saya, utk hal macam begitu khan kita satu perguruan, jadi bukan hal yg baru. Kayak saham 50 yg akan menjadi 5.000 itu menurut saya yg dimaksud bbrp saat lalu adalah BTEL. Alasannya ini dikaitkan dg booming sector telekom di masa depan, kebijakan tdk adanya penambahan freq baru oleh pem. RI sehingga asing yg masuk ke RI harus berpartner atau akuisisi (mis: QTEL thd ISAT) disandingkan dg posisi BTEL sbg pemenang tender freq tempo hari saat bersaing dg operator lainnya dst... Bener nggak EL? Please reconfirm... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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Yes, I couldn't agree more if you say OB donation program rather than Bakrie's IDR1,000,000,000 donation program Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:37:07 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK *Elaine tidak paksa, I just thought that I could know you better, that's all. Tidak mau juga it's okay. Anyway, please join OB donation program. Bakrie telecomm? It's good one too. Elaine** * 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Mbah... Berarti kita sama dong. Mungkin hal ini bisa disebut gaptek; tapi itu memang sebuah kesengajaan bagi saya. Karena saya pribadi merasa intensitas waktu di depan monitor sdh sangat tinggi. Sejak pagi byk tersita untuk mengikuti sesi trading di BEI, closing market sy masih suka main forex, punya komunitas sharing juga di sana, nyampe rumah seringkali buat main game, maleman dikit main forex lage, indeks (dow fut), hobi pun masih nonton film, dst. Utk komunikasi dg temen2 lama (kantor, kuliah dst) sekalian ama bozz and para sopir saya lbh suka pake HP. Caranya kl die pake XL saya juga pake XL, telkomsel yah saya pake telkomsel juga, dst (semua operator saya punya) khan semua itu bisa lbh irit, plus nggak cape ngetik, maklum jari2 sdh cape buat trading saham ama main game...hehehe... Elaine... Kalau anda sdh menyatakan hy sbg spam dan sdh ditanggapi oleh Mbah, berarti ancaman tsb sdh tdk berlaku. Bagaimanapun temen2 yg lain akan berterima kasih banget kl anda bersedia sharing sedikit ...PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. di BEI. Sebelum anda berangkat road show... Buat saya, utk hal macam begitu khan kita satu perguruan, jadi bukan hal yg baru. Kayak saham 50 yg akan menjadi 5.000 itu menurut saya yg dimaksud bbrp saat lalu adalah BTEL. Alasannya ini dikaitkan dg booming sector telekom di masa depan, kebijakan tdk adanya penambahan freq baru oleh pem. RI sehingga asing yg masuk ke RI harus berpartner atau akuisisi (mis: QTEL thd ISAT) disandingkan dg posisi BTEL sbg pemenang tender freq tempo hari saat bersaing dg operator lainnya dst... Bener nggak EL? Please reconfirm... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Saham 50 -- 5000 Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Oen, bisa refer emailnya Elaine yang bilang ada saham gocapan mau ke 5000? Or El, Can you please help. Or anyone else? I am studying my long term porto 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Mbah... Berarti kita sama dong. Mungkin hal ini bisa disebut gaptek; tapi itu memang sebuah kesengajaan bagi saya. Karena saya pribadi merasa intensitas waktu di depan monitor sdh sangat tinggi. Sejak pagi byk tersita untuk mengikuti sesi trading di BEI, closing market sy masih suka main forex, punya komunitas sharing juga di sana, nyampe rumah seringkali buat main game, maleman dikit main forex lage, indeks (dow fut), hobi pun masih nonton film, dst. Utk komunikasi dg temen2 lama (kantor, kuliah dst) sekalian ama bozz and para sopir saya lbh suka pake HP. Caranya kl die pake XL saya juga pake XL, telkomsel yah saya pake telkomsel juga, dst (semua operator saya punya) khan semua itu bisa lbh irit, plus nggak cape ngetik, maklum jari2 sdh cape buat trading saham ama main game...hehehe... Elaine... Kalau anda sdh menyatakan hy sbg spam dan sdh ditanggapi oleh Mbah, berarti ancaman tsb sdh tdk berlaku. Bagaimanapun temen2 yg lain akan berterima kasih banget kl anda bersedia sharing sedikit ...PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. di BEI. Sebelum anda berangkat road show... Buat saya, utk hal macam begitu khan kita satu perguruan, jadi bukan hal yg baru. Kayak saham 50 yg akan menjadi 5.000 itu menurut saya yg dimaksud bbrp saat lalu adalah BTEL. Alasannya ini dikaitkan dg booming sector telekom di masa depan, kebijakan tdk adanya penambahan freq baru oleh pem. RI sehingga asing yg masuk ke RI harus berpartner atau akuisisi (mis: QTEL thd ISAT) disandingkan dg posisi BTEL sbg pemenang tender freq tempo hari saat bersaing dg operator lainnya dst... Bener nggak EL? Please reconfirm... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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Pak AA, seingat saya pernah ada juga Thanks Rgds, Ferry W. http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: ::Pak_AA:: To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:19 AM Subject: Saham 50 -- 5000 Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK Oen, bisa refer emailnya Elaine yang bilang ada saham gocapan mau ke 5000? Or El, Can you please help. Or anyone else? I am studying my long term porto 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Mbah... Berarti kita sama dong. Mungkin hal ini bisa disebut gaptek; tapi itu memang sebuah kesengajaan bagi saya. Karena saya pribadi merasa intensitas waktu di depan monitor sdh sangat tinggi. Sejak pagi byk tersita untuk mengikuti sesi trading di BEI, closing market sy masih suka main forex, punya komunitas sharing juga di sana, nyampe rumah seringkali buat main game, maleman dikit main forex lage, indeks (dow fut), hobi pun masih nonton film, dst. Utk komunikasi dg temen2 lama (kantor, kuliah dst) sekalian ama bozz and para sopir saya lbh suka pake HP. Caranya kl die pake XL saya juga pake XL, telkomsel yah saya pake telkomsel juga, dst (semua operator saya punya) khan semua itu bisa lbh irit, plus nggak cape ngetik, maklum jari2 sdh cape buat trading saham ama main game...hehehe... Elaine... Kalau anda sdh menyatakan hy sbg spam dan sdh ditanggapi oleh Mbah, berarti ancaman tsb sdh tdk berlaku. Bagaimanapun temen2 yg lain akan berterima kasih banget kl anda bersedia sharing sedikit ...PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. di BEI. Sebelum anda berangkat road show... Buat saya, utk hal macam begitu khan kita satu perguruan, jadi bukan hal yg baru. Kayak saham 50 yg akan menjadi 5.000 itu menurut saya yg dimaksud bbrp saat lalu adalah BTEL. Alasannya ini dikaitkan dg booming sector telekom di masa depan, kebijakan tdk adanya penambahan freq baru oleh pem. RI sehingga asing yg masuk ke RI harus berpartner atau akuisisi (mis: QTEL thd ISAT) disandingkan dg posisi BTEL sbg pemenang tender freq tempo hari saat bersaing dg operator lainnya dst... Bener nggak EL? Please reconfirm... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Mbah... Berarti kita sama dong. Mungkin hal ini bisa disebut gaptek; tapi itu memang sebuah kesengajaan bagi saya. Karena saya pribadi merasa intensitas waktu di depan monitor sdh sangat tinggi. Sejak pagi byk tersita untuk mengikuti sesi trading di BEI, closing market sy masih suka main forex, punya komunitas sharing juga di sana, nyampe rumah seringkali buat main game, maleman dikit main forex lage, indeks (dow fut), hobi pun masih nonton film, dst. Utk komunikasi dg temen2 lama (kantor, kuliah dst) sekalian ama bozz and para sopir saya lbh suka pake HP. Caranya kl die pake XL saya juga pake XL, telkomsel yah saya pake telkomsel juga, dst (semua operator saya punya) khan semua itu bisa lbh irit, plus nggak cape ngetik, maklum jari2 sdh cape buat trading saham ama main game...hehehe... Elaine... Kalau anda sdh menyatakan hy sbg spam dan sdh ditanggapi oleh Mbah, berarti ancaman tsb sdh tdk berlaku. Bagaimanapun temen2 yg lain akan berterima kasih banget kl anda bersedia sharing sedikit ...PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. di BEI. Sebelum anda berangkat road show... Buat saya, utk hal macam begitu khan kita satu perguruan, jadi bukan hal yg baru. Kayak saham 50 yg akan menjadi 5.000 itu menurut saya yg dimaksud bbrp saat lalu adalah BTEL. Alasannya ini dikaitkan dg booming sector telekom di masa depan, kebijakan tdk adanya penambahan freq baru oleh pem. RI sehingga asing yg masuk ke RI harus berpartner atau akuisisi (mis: QTEL thd ISAT) disandingkan dg posisi BTEL sbg pemenang tender freq tempo hari saat bersaing dg operator lainnya dst... Bener nggak EL? Please reconfirm...
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. Elaine... Good luck with your road show... Kepergian anda adalah konfirmasi atas evaluasi kesalahan prediksi saya akhir2 ini. Sedikit sharing saja... Sebenarnya saya mulai beralih dari bear menjadi bull saat anda kekeuh akan maju sendiri. So we're officially enemies now. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/137032 Ke-ngotot-an tsb yg membuat saya menjadi penasaran. Saya mulai mencari clue, yaitu dr komposisi portofolio. ...long on housing/construction, autos, infrastructure, commodities, and tech stocks... http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/136138 Dari sector housing (property) tsb lah saya mulai melakukan investigasi Petunjuk itu menjadi lebih terang dg melihat pergerakan CTRA yg dibanting (hingga 142) terus melaju sendirian. Asumsinya di sini terjadi kejanggalan Sektor properti secara FA tdk ada faktor pendukung. Hanya ada sentimen positif bhw SBI cenderung menurun sepanjang th '09. Tapi kenapa hy CTRA yg naik sendiri? Seharusnya bicara sektoral atau grup mestinya diiringi saham2 ciputra atau property lainnya. Singkat cerita saya akhirnya tahu ini adalah salah satu strategi rebalancing. Benernya ada bbrp BD yg melakukan tapi pastinya ada yg terbesar... Dari sini akhirnya saya tahu view dan asumsi mereka; mungkin dlm hal ini Elaine and the gang Fyi...di dunia perbandaran yg paling penting adalah sharing info ataupun view. Dg info yg valid, tinggal teknik dan strategi bagaimana yg perlu diambil untuk menyingkapi info tsb. Simple case...saya merasa harus menghilang di milis OB sampe tujuan anda (short term) kesampaian...hehehe Ada beberapa pengalaman berkesan lainnya. Mungkin masih ada yg bertanya2 tentang decoupling BEI terhadap regional (asia) khususnya DJIA Is it true? Hohoho... Yaitu saat koreksi Dow dari level 82xx sampai 64xx, kenapa saat itu kita tdk mengikuti membuat new low? Hal yg paling penting dipahami adalah mekanisme ttg sebuah crash dari perspektif BEI. Crash bisa terjadi saat ada arus dana yg keluar jauh lebih besar daripada yg masuk. Dan itulah yg terjadi bbrp saat lalu th '08. Namun untuk kejadian di 1Q09 tempo hari, arus keluar di BEI tdk terlalu signifikan, jadinya bear messenger keliatan seperti macan ompong. Salah satunya karena tidak ada amunisi maupun yg diboncengi Daftar short selling pun tdk kunjung direlease... Kondisi dunia perbandaran di BEI, secara umum banyak Bakal (BD local) yg kalah akibat crash di th. '08. Cuman ada 1-2 pihak yg sangat berkuasa terutama thd saham2 peliharaan mereka. Dg dana terbatas yg ada, mereka main tek tok sendiri untuk bbrp saat lamanya. Seiring perjalanan, arus dana mulai ada yg masuk walaupun sedikit, lakunya global bond RI, TO ISAT, dana pemilu, dst... Dg kombinasi itu para BD yg berkuasa ini membuat balancing portofolio supaya keliatan menarik. Target mereka adalah untuk menarik dana segar yg lebih besar... Penjelasannya; dg kondisi yg (katanye) masih suram namun mereka mampu menunjukkan performa yg bagus. Hal ini juga didukung regional yg mestakung bahkan pemilu yg (hingga saat ini) relative lancar. Menurut saya; itulah yg sebenarnya sedang terjadi dengan kenaikan BEI saat ini... Harapannya sekarang... Semoga pemilu berikutnya juga lancar dan upaya EL (and her team)...mampu menarik minat asing untuk masuk dg dana yg lebih besar. Bisa jadi suatu saat nanti Den BEI benar2 mengalami decoupling bahkan menjadi INSPIRATOR bursa asia lainnya untuk naik lebih tinggi meninggalkan Mr. Dow... Ingatlah...saat tahun `08 dimana mayoritas mengatakan (saham2 dan indeks) BAGUS tapi pemilik dana yg memutuskan untuk keluar bisa membalikkan semua penilaian tsb... Semua analis, trader maupun investor TA dan FA yg pro bull dibuat salah semua. Sebaliknya mungkin di kemudian hari mayoritas mengatakan JELEK tapi pemilik dana memutuskan masuk dan beli saham; saham dan indeks akan melaju terus tanpa memperdulikan penilaian mereka. Membuat mereka terus melongo hingga merubah penilaian mereka. Betoel??? Inilah sekelumit cerita suka duka seorang bear messenger yg telah melakukan kesilapan. Story di atas mungkin cenderung subyektif, hy cocok untuk saya pribadi yg semula bearish menjadi bullish. Segera melakukan koreksi saat semuanya ternyata berbalik arah. Akhir kata mohon maaf kalau ada beberapa member di OB merasa menjadi tumbal atas kesalahan tsb... Semoga bermanfaat... Oentoeng Story Teller
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, \::Pak_AA:\: abdul.rahman.ra...@... wrote: Oen, bisa refer emailnya Elaine yang bilang ada saham gocapan mau ke 5000? Or El, Can you please help. Or anyone else? I am studying my long term porto Nggak tahu kok ngomong2? Ini sedikit aib buat anda P. AA Tunjukkan bahwa anda emang perhatian kpd EL. Masak EL ngomong nggak diperhatikan? Kali ini saya masih mau bantu lain kali??? http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/122553 Coba paksa El untuk ngomong saham tsb mnrt dia yg mana? Supaya tahu dia ngambek kpd anda atau tidak? Kwekwekwekwek.canda yah pak...
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pak oentoeng, anda luar biasa sekali. saya salut dg anda..kesalahan bukan yg terpenting disini, tapi cara berpikir dan bersikap itulah yg paling menentukan. setiap org pasti pernah buat salah. bahkan yg ahli di bidangnya (termasuk w.buffet) pun pernah salah berkali-kali. terima kasih atas ulasannya..tetaplah memberikan opini2 untuk menuntun OB members. pada akhirnya keputusan kan ada di masing2. tidak perlu tunjuk siapa yg salah atau benar, ujung2nya kita sendiri yg menentukan. 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. Elaine... Good luck with your road show... Kepergian anda adalah konfirmasi atas evaluasi kesalahan prediksi saya akhir2 ini. Sedikit sharing saja... Sebenarnya saya mulai beralih dari bear menjadi bull saat anda kekeuh akan maju sendiri. So we're officially enemies now. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/137032 Ke-ngotot-an tsb yg membuat saya menjadi penasaran. Saya mulai mencari clue, yaitu dr komposisi portofolio. ...long on housing/construction, autos, infrastructure, commodities, and tech stocks... http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/136138 Dari sector housing (property) tsb lah saya mulai melakukan investigasi Petunjuk itu menjadi lebih terang dg melihat pergerakan CTRA yg dibanting (hingga 142) terus melaju sendirian. Asumsinya di sini terjadi kejanggalan Sektor properti secara FA tdk ada faktor pendukung. Hanya ada sentimen positif bhw SBI cenderung menurun sepanjang th '09. Tapi kenapa hy CTRA yg naik sendiri? Seharusnya bicara sektoral atau grup mestinya diiringi saham2 ciputra atau property lainnya. Singkat cerita saya akhirnya tahu ini adalah salah satu strategi rebalancing. Benernya ada bbrp BD yg melakukan tapi pastinya ada yg terbesar... Dari sini akhirnya saya tahu view dan asumsi mereka; mungkin dlm hal ini Elaine and the gang Fyi...di dunia perbandaran yg paling penting adalah sharing info ataupun view. Dg info yg valid, tinggal teknik dan strategi bagaimana yg perlu diambil untuk menyingkapi info tsb. Simple case...saya merasa harus menghilang di milis OB sampe tujuan anda (short term) kesampaian...hehehe Ada beberapa pengalaman berkesan lainnya. Mungkin masih ada yg bertanya2 tentang decoupling BEI terhadap regional (asia) khususnya DJIA Is it true? Hohoho... Yaitu saat koreksi Dow dari level 82xx sampai 64xx, kenapa saat itu kita tdk mengikuti membuat new low? Hal yg paling penting dipahami adalah mekanisme ttg sebuah crash dari perspektif BEI. Crash bisa terjadi saat ada arus dana yg keluar jauh lebih besar daripada yg masuk. Dan itulah yg terjadi bbrp saat lalu th '08. Namun untuk kejadian di 1Q09 tempo hari, arus keluar di BEI tdk terlalu signifikan, jadinya bear messenger keliatan seperti macan ompong. Salah satunya karena tidak ada amunisi maupun yg diboncengi Daftar short selling pun tdk kunjung direlease... Kondisi dunia perbandaran di BEI, secara umum banyak Bakal (BD local) yg kalah akibat crash di th. '08. Cuman ada 1-2 pihak yg sangat berkuasa terutama thd saham2 peliharaan mereka. Dg dana terbatas yg ada, mereka main tek tok sendiri untuk bbrp saat lamanya. Seiring perjalanan, arus dana mulai ada yg masuk walaupun sedikit, lakunya global bond RI, TO ISAT, dana pemilu, dst... Dg kombinasi itu para BD yg berkuasa ini membuat balancing portofolio supaya keliatan menarik. Target mereka adalah untuk menarik dana segar yg lebih besar... Penjelasannya; dg kondisi yg (katanye) masih suram namun mereka mampu menunjukkan performa yg bagus. Hal ini juga didukung regional yg mestakung bahkan pemilu yg (hingga saat ini) relative lancar. Menurut saya; itulah yg sebenarnya sedang terjadi dengan kenaikan BEI saat ini... Harapannya sekarang... Semoga pemilu berikutnya juga lancar dan upaya EL (and her team)...mampu menarik minat asing untuk masuk dg dana yg lebih besar. Bisa jadi suatu saat nanti Den BEI benar2 mengalami decoupling bahkan menjadi INSPIRATOR bursa asia lainnya untuk naik lebih tinggi meninggalkan Mr. Dow... Ingatlah...saat tahun `08 dimana mayoritas mengatakan (saham2 dan indeks) BAGUS tapi pemilik dana yg memutuskan untuk keluar bisa membalikkan semua penilaian tsb... Semua analis, trader maupun investor TA dan FA yg pro bull dibuat salah semua. Sebaliknya mungkin di kemudian hari mayoritas mengatakan JELEK tapi pemilik dana memutuskan masuk dan beli saham; saham dan indeks akan melaju terus tanpa memperdulikan penilaian mereka. Membuat mereka terus melongo hingga merubah penilaian mereka. Betoel??? Inilah sekelumit cerita suka duka seorang bear messenger yg telah melakukan kesilapan.
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Salut untuk kerendahan hati dan kejantanan anda ... anda luar biasa sekali dalam mengidentifikasi dan menyadari kesalahan prediksi yang anda buat ... Keep on posting Pak! To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com From: oentoeng...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:49:43 + Subject: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. Elaine... Good luck with your road show... Kepergian anda adalah konfirmasi atas evaluasi kesalahan prediksi saya akhir2 ini. Sedikit sharing saja... Sebenarnya saya mulai beralih dari bear menjadi bull saat anda kekeuh akan maju sendiri. So we're officially enemies now. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/137032 Ke-ngotot-an tsb yg membuat saya menjadi penasaran. Saya mulai mencari clue, yaitu dr komposisi portofolio. ...long on housing/construction, autos, infrastructure, commodities, and tech stocks... http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/136138 Dari sector housing (property) tsb lah saya mulai melakukan investigasi Petunjuk itu menjadi lebih terang dg melihat pergerakan CTRA yg dibanting (hingga 142) terus melaju sendirian. Asumsinya di sini terjadi kejanggalan Sektor properti secara FA tdk ada faktor pendukung. Hanya ada sentimen positif bhw SBI cenderung menurun sepanjang th '09. Tapi kenapa hy CTRA yg naik sendiri? Seharusnya bicara sektoral atau grup mestinya diiringi saham2 ciputra atau property lainnya. Singkat cerita saya akhirnya tahu ini adalah salah satu strategi rebalancing. Benernya ada bbrp BD yg melakukan tapi pastinya ada yg terbesar... Dari sini akhirnya saya tahu view dan asumsi mereka; mungkin dlm hal ini Elaine and the gang Fyi...di dunia perbandaran yg paling penting adalah sharing info ataupun view. Dg info yg valid, tinggal teknik dan strategi bagaimana yg perlu diambil untuk menyingkapi info tsb. Simple case...saya merasa harus menghilang di milis OB sampe tujuan anda (short term) kesampaian...hehehe Ada beberapa pengalaman berkesan lainnya. Mungkin masih ada yg bertanya2 tentang decoupling BEI terhadap regional (asia) khususnya DJIA Is it true? Hohoho... Yaitu saat koreksi Dow dari level 82xx sampai 64xx, kenapa saat itu kita tdk mengikuti membuat new low? Hal yg paling penting dipahami adalah mekanisme ttg sebuah crash dari perspektif BEI. Crash bisa terjadi saat ada arus dana yg keluar jauh lebih besar daripada yg masuk. Dan itulah yg terjadi bbrp saat lalu th '08. Namun untuk kejadian di 1Q09 tempo hari, arus keluar di BEI tdk terlalu signifikan, jadinya bear messenger keliatan seperti macan ompong. Salah satunya karena tidak ada amunisi maupun yg diboncengi Daftar short selling pun tdk kunjung direlease... Kondisi dunia perbandaran di BEI, secara umum banyak Bakal (BD local) yg kalah akibat crash di th. '08. Cuman ada 1-2 pihak yg sangat berkuasa terutama thd saham2 peliharaan mereka. Dg dana terbatas yg ada, mereka main tek tok sendiri untuk bbrp saat lamanya. Seiring perjalanan, arus dana mulai ada yg masuk walaupun sedikit, lakunya global bond RI, TO ISAT, dana pemilu, dst... Dg kombinasi itu para BD yg berkuasa ini membuat balancing portofolio supaya keliatan menarik. Target mereka adalah untuk menarik dana segar yg lebih besar... Penjelasannya; dg kondisi yg (katanye) masih suram namun mereka mampu menunjukkan performa yg bagus. Hal ini juga didukung regional yg mestakung bahkan pemilu yg (hingga saat ini) relative lancar. Menurut saya; itulah yg sebenarnya sedang terjadi dengan kenaikan BEI saat ini... Harapannya sekarang... Semoga pemilu berikutnya juga lancar dan upaya EL (and her team)...mampu menarik minat asing untuk masuk dg dana yg lebih besar. Bisa jadi suatu saat nanti Den BEI benar2 mengalami decoupling bahkan menjadi INSPIRATOR bursa asia lainnya untuk naik lebih tinggi meninggalkan Mr. Dow... Ingatlah...saat tahun `08 dimana mayoritas mengatakan (saham2 dan indeks) BAGUS tapi pemilik dana yg memutuskan untuk keluar bisa membalikkan semua penilaian tsb... Semua analis, trader maupun investor TA dan FA yg pro bull dibuat salah semua. Sebaliknya mungkin di kemudian hari mayoritas mengatakan JELEK tapi pemilik dana memutuskan masuk dan beli saham; saham dan indeks akan melaju terus tanpa memperdulikan penilaian mereka. Membuat mereka terus melongo hingga merubah penilaian mereka. Betoel??? Inilah sekelumit cerita suka duka seorang bear messenger yg telah melakukan kesilapan. Story di atas mungkin cenderung subyektif, hy cocok untuk saya pribadi yg semula bearish menjadi bullish. Segera melakukan koreksi saat semuanya ternyata berbalik arah. Akhir kata mohon maaf kalau ada beberapa member di OB merasa menjadi tumbal atas kesalahan tsb... Semoga bermanfaat
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Saya setuju BTEL untuk longterm porto.. Jika ekonomi tambah maju, maka orang akan punya min 2 telfon.. satu GSM dan satu CDMA.. BTEL dengan marketingnya yang mantap, bisa memenangkan persaingan CDMA.. liat aja 2008, nasabah naik hampir 2 kali lipat.. jika 2009 naik lagi 2 kali lipat, waw Apalagi SLI udah di launching.. udah pada lihat iklan SLI BTEL.. Semoga BTEL sukses menggusur SLI Telkom dan ISAT, he he.. masalahnya ane ndak punya TLKM dan ISAT, ha ha.. Salam, ND 2009/4/18 ::Pak_AA:: abdul.rahman.ra...@gmail.com Oen, bisa refer emailnya Elaine yang bilang ada saham gocapan mau ke 5000? Or El, Can you please help. Or anyone else? I am studying my long term porto 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.comoentoeng_qq%40yahoo.com : --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Mbah... Berarti kita sama dong. Mungkin hal ini bisa disebut gaptek; tapi itu memang sebuah kesengajaan bagi saya. Karena saya pribadi merasa intensitas waktu di depan monitor sdh sangat tinggi. Sejak pagi byk tersita untuk mengikuti sesi trading di BEI, closing market sy masih suka main forex, punya komunitas sharing juga di sana, nyampe rumah seringkali buat main game, maleman dikit main forex lage, indeks (dow fut), hobi pun masih nonton film, dst. Utk komunikasi dg temen2 lama (kantor, kuliah dst) sekalian ama bozz and para sopir saya lbh suka pake HP. Caranya kl die pake XL saya juga pake XL, telkomsel yah saya pake telkomsel juga, dst (semua operator saya punya) khan semua itu bisa lbh irit, plus nggak cape ngetik, maklum jari2 sdh cape buat trading saham ama main game...hehehe... Elaine... Kalau anda sdh menyatakan hy sbg spam dan sdh ditanggapi oleh Mbah, berarti ancaman tsb sdh tdk berlaku. Bagaimanapun temen2 yg lain akan berterima kasih banget kl anda bersedia sharing sedikit ...PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. di BEI. Sebelum anda berangkat road show... Buat saya, utk hal macam begitu khan kita satu perguruan, jadi bukan hal yg baru. Kayak saham 50 yg akan menjadi 5.000 itu menurut saya yg dimaksud bbrp saat lalu adalah BTEL. Alasannya ini dikaitkan dg booming sector telekom di masa depan, kebijakan tdk adanya penambahan freq baru oleh pem. RI sehingga asing yg masuk ke RI harus berpartner atau akuisisi (mis: QTEL thd ISAT) disandingkan dg posisi BTEL sbg pemenang tender freq tempo hari saat bersaing dg operator lainnya dst... Bener nggak EL? Please reconfirm... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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*Man, you're such a serious guy. Relax. I refuse to be called bandar, I prefer 'financial investment strategist'. Kalau ada trader challenge Elaine untuk day trading, Elaine pasti kalah cuma bisa menangis minta pulang saja.. ha ha ha.. (l...@jt) You and I are not perfect. Let's accept it. [?] Elaine** * 2009/4/18 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. Elaine... Good luck with your road show... Kepergian anda adalah konfirmasi atas evaluasi kesalahan prediksi saya akhir2 ini. Sedikit sharing saja... Sebenarnya saya mulai beralih dari bear menjadi bull saat anda kekeuh akan maju sendiri. So we're officially enemies now. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/137032 Ke-ngotot-an tsb yg membuat saya menjadi penasaran. Saya mulai mencari clue, yaitu dr komposisi portofolio. ...long on housing/construction, autos, infrastructure, commodities, and tech stocks... http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/136138 Dari sector housing (property) tsb lah saya mulai melakukan investigasi Petunjuk itu menjadi lebih terang dg melihat pergerakan CTRA yg dibanting (hingga 142) terus melaju sendirian. Asumsinya di sini terjadi kejanggalan Sektor properti secara FA tdk ada faktor pendukung. Hanya ada sentimen positif bhw SBI cenderung menurun sepanjang th '09. Tapi kenapa hy CTRA yg naik sendiri? Seharusnya bicara sektoral atau grup mestinya diiringi saham2 ciputra atau property lainnya. Singkat cerita saya akhirnya tahu ini adalah salah satu strategi rebalancing. Benernya ada bbrp BD yg melakukan tapi pastinya ada yg terbesar... Dari sini akhirnya saya tahu view dan asumsi mereka; mungkin dlm hal ini Elaine and the gang Fyi...di dunia perbandaran yg paling penting adalah sharing info ataupun view. Dg info yg valid, tinggal teknik dan strategi bagaimana yg perlu diambil untuk menyingkapi info tsb. Simple case...saya merasa harus menghilang di milis OB sampe tujuan anda (short term) kesampaian...hehehe Ada beberapa pengalaman berkesan lainnya. Mungkin masih ada yg bertanya2 tentang decoupling BEI terhadap regional (asia) khususnya DJIA Is it true? Hohoho... Yaitu saat koreksi Dow dari level 82xx sampai 64xx, kenapa saat itu kita tdk mengikuti membuat new low? Hal yg paling penting dipahami adalah mekanisme ttg sebuah crash dari perspektif BEI. Crash bisa terjadi saat ada arus dana yg keluar jauh lebih besar daripada yg masuk. Dan itulah yg terjadi bbrp saat lalu th '08. Namun untuk kejadian di 1Q09 tempo hari, arus keluar di BEI tdk terlalu signifikan, jadinya bear messenger keliatan seperti macan ompong. Salah satunya karena tidak ada amunisi maupun yg diboncengi Daftar short selling pun tdk kunjung direlease... Kondisi dunia perbandaran di BEI, secara umum banyak Bakal (BD local) yg kalah akibat crash di th. '08. Cuman ada 1-2 pihak yg sangat berkuasa terutama thd saham2 peliharaan mereka. Dg dana terbatas yg ada, mereka main tek tok sendiri untuk bbrp saat lamanya. Seiring perjalanan, arus dana mulai ada yg masuk walaupun sedikit, lakunya global bond RI, TO ISAT, dana pemilu, dst... Dg kombinasi itu para BD yg berkuasa ini membuat balancing portofolio supaya keliatan menarik. Target mereka adalah untuk menarik dana segar yg lebih besar... Penjelasannya; dg kondisi yg (katanye) masih suram namun mereka mampu menunjukkan performa yg bagus. Hal ini juga didukung regional yg mestakung bahkan pemilu yg (hingga saat ini) relative lancar. Menurut saya; itulah yg sebenarnya sedang terjadi dengan kenaikan BEI saat ini... Harapannya sekarang... Semoga pemilu berikutnya juga lancar dan upaya EL (and her team)...mampu menarik minat asing untuk masuk dg dana yg lebih besar. Bisa jadi suatu saat nanti Den BEI benar2 mengalami decoupling bahkan menjadi INSPIRATOR bursa asia lainnya untuk naik lebih tinggi meninggalkan Mr. Dow... Ingatlah...saat tahun `08 dimana mayoritas mengatakan (saham2 dan indeks) BAGUS tapi pemilik dana yg memutuskan untuk keluar bisa membalikkan semua penilaian tsb... Semua analis, trader maupun investor TA dan FA yg pro bull dibuat salah semua. Sebaliknya mungkin di kemudian hari mayoritas mengatakan JELEK tapi pemilik dana memutuskan masuk dan beli saham; saham dan indeks akan melaju terus tanpa memperdulikan penilaian mereka. Membuat mereka terus melongo hingga merubah penilaian mereka. Betoel??? Inilah sekelumit cerita suka duka seorang bear messenger yg telah melakukan kesilapan. Story di atas mungkin cenderung subyektif, hy cocok untuk saya pribadi yg semula bearish menjadi bullish. Segera melakukan koreksi saat semuanya ternyata berbalik arah. Akhir kata mohon maaf kalau ada
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Bukannya emang sekarang udah begitu ya. Saya aja bawa 4 HP; 2 GSM 2 CDMA, biar murah, hihihi... Perlu anda tahu, Esia (BTEL) itu salah satu operator yang fokus membidik kalangan middle low, fokus pada layanan basic seperti telepon dan SMS. Ini sangat efektif dari segi cost karena tidak perlu lagi buang2 duit untuk mengembangkan internet broadband seperti operator GSM. Promo2nya seperti SMS Rp 1 per karakter juga sangat kreatif. Mestinya kalo tidak ada halangan, 2 tahun lagi jumlah pelanggan Esia akan menyalip Flexy. Saya pasang target BTEL nopek untuk 12 bulan ke depan. Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, nyari duit nyariduit...@... wrote: Saya setuju BTEL untuk longterm porto.. Jika ekonomi tambah maju, maka orang akan punya min 2 telfon.. satu GSM dan satu CDMA.. BTEL dengan marketingnya yang mantap, bisa memenangkan persaingan CDMA.. liat aja 2008, nasabah naik hampir 2 kali lipat.. jika 2009 naik lagi 2 kali lipat, waw Apalagi SLI udah di launching.. udah pada lihat iklan SLI BTEL.. Semoga BTEL sukses menggusur SLI Telkom dan ISAT, he he.. masalahnya ane ndak punya TLKM dan ISAT, ha ha.. Salam, ND
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Pak... Tanya yg sama nih. Kalau bakri ngga nambah atau ngurangin jumlah saham yg dimiliki prshnya, apakah ada gunanya buat prsh tersebut mengusahakan saham naik atau turun? Makasih. On 4/19/09, y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com wrote: Bukannya emang sekarang udah begitu ya. Saya aja bawa 4 HP; 2 GSM 2 CDMA, biar murah, hihihi... Perlu anda tahu, Esia (BTEL) itu salah satu operator yang fokus membidik kalangan middle low, fokus pada layanan basic seperti telepon dan SMS. Ini sangat efektif dari segi cost karena tidak perlu lagi buang2 duit untuk mengembangkan internet broadband seperti operator GSM. Promo2nya seperti SMS Rp 1 per karakter juga sangat kreatif. Mestinya kalo tidak ada halangan, 2 tahun lagi jumlah pelanggan Esia akan menyalip Flexy. Saya pasang target BTEL nopek untuk 12 bulan ke depan. Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, nyari duit nyariduit...@... wrote: Saya setuju BTEL untuk longterm porto.. Jika ekonomi tambah maju, maka orang akan punya min 2 telfon.. satu GSM dan satu CDMA.. BTEL dengan marketingnya yang mantap, bisa memenangkan persaingan CDMA.. liat aja 2008, nasabah naik hampir 2 kali lipat.. jika 2009 naik lagi 2 kali lipat, waw Apalagi SLI udah di launching.. udah pada lihat iklan SLI BTEL.. Semoga BTEL sukses menggusur SLI Telkom dan ISAT, he he.. masalahnya ane ndak punya TLKM dan ISAT, ha ha.. Salam, ND -- Sent from my mobile device Mico Wendy m...@konsep.net yahoo: micowendy, icq: 1384769, msn: micowendy PT Konsep Dot Net - www.konsep.net Turning Concept into Reality Web Programming - Software Development
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Emiten yang baik seharusnya tidak peduli akan fluktuasi harga saham perusahaan. Mereka menjadi pemegang saham mayoritas memang tujuannya untuk ikut ambil bagian dalam bisnis tersebut, fokusnya adalah untuk meningkatkan kinerja perusahaan. Kalo kinerja perusahaan bagus, labanya naik tiap tahun, otomatis harga saham akan ngikut sendiri. Investor akan happy, selain dapat deviden, saham mereka harganya meningkat. Itu contoh yang baik, bisa Anda temukan misalnya pada emiten grup Astra. Sekarang kita bicara contoh yang tidak baik. Bakrie itu sudah terkenal jago Financial Engineering. Sebagai emiten mereka tidak berfokus untuk cari keuntungan dari bisnis di sektor riil, mereka lebih suka cari cuan dari menggoreng harga sahamnya dengan berbagai CA, lewat akuisisi perusahaan ini dan itu. Apa untungnya kalo harga saham naik? Ya antara lain, mereka kan bisa aja REPO saham miliknya. Begitu dapet cash dia akuisisi perusahaan baru, harga saham naik lagi. Akuisisi lagi, pake hutang, bayarnya dikonversi jadi Debt to Equity Swap, dst... Cara yang kotor untuk berbisnis? Bisa saja anda bilang begitu. Tapi nyatanya investor juga senang tuh, yang penting kan harga sahamnya naik. Buktinya BUMI tetap aja jadi saham sejuta umat. Cuma hati2 saja, model bisnis seperti ini cepat atau lambat akan memicu bubble. Kalo suatu saat si emiten pengin buyback di harga rendah bisa aja investor dikerjain seperti kasus BUMI, turun dari 8750 ke 385. Intinya kalo mau invest di sini, Anda hanya bergantung kebaikan hati bandar. Itulah kenapa saya bilang emiten grup Bakrie itu enak banget buat trading, tapi nggak cocok buat invest long term. Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Mico Wendy micowe...@... wrote: Pak... Tanya yg sama nih. Kalau bakri ngga nambah atau ngurangin jumlah saham yg dimiliki prshnya, apakah ada gunanya buat prsh tersebut mengusahakan saham naik atau turun? Makasih.
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine*
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Seharusnya tantangan EL bukan ke mbah, tapi ke anggota milis, seperti : WHOS MAKE BIGGEST DONATION TO MBAH Gitu dong... Ayo... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine*
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*Elaine kasih sharing strategy, kalau mau make money dari IDX saja... lolz.. [?] I assume all OB members made profit this month, if you're not then... well seems you may have problem with God. Elaine** * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM, slwtid slw...@yahoo.com wrote: Seharusnya tantangan EL bukan ke mbah, tapi ke anggota milis, seperti : WHOS MAKE BIGGEST DONATION TO MBAH Gitu dong... Ayo... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 360.gif
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Makasih ya El, kamu adalah aset yg sangat berharga di OB. Semoga roadshow kamu sukses ya See you, we'll miss you... Salam, Jkunci Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:18:17 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK *I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine** * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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Elaine, saya bicara setiap hari dan trading bareng mr oentoeng. Sebenarnya mr oentoeng sudah bull dan bergabung dgn saya sejak saya masuk di project wave 5. No problem dgn itu. Tapi yg jelas, semua sudah pasti happy dgn ihsg saat ini. anda memang gak perlu kami, tapi kami pasti memerlukan dirimu. Saya dan pasukan juga mau take a rest n relax dulu, beberapa hari kedepan, buat menyegarkan fikiran saja. Dont forget warga OB, kami selalu merindukan mu. Ihsg 2000? Nantilah, kita fikirkan cara dan strategy nya. sekarang santai dulu. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine** * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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Take a vacation El? Come to Bali, have you ever been to KUDETA? If not, I'll treat you there Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:11:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine*
RE: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Weleh weleh Mbah cuti 24 - 26 Apr ada tanda tanda apa lagi nih Mbah ? nanti cucu2 pada kehilangan induk nggak ada yg komando dicaplok Elang lagi. _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:11 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine*
[ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
THX EL for your advice (UNSP) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Elaine kasih sharing strategy, kalau mau make money dari IDX saja... lolz.. [?] I assume all OB members made profit this month, if you're not then... well seems you may have problem with God. Elaine** * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM, slwtid slw...@... wrote: Seharusnya tantangan EL bukan ke mbah, tapi ke anggota milis, seperti : WHOS MAKE BIGGEST DONATION TO MBAH Gitu dong... Ayo... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Face book nya cicie Elaine alamat emailnya apa? Boleh di-add ngga? Juga temen temen Obrolan Bandar yang lain? Join Facebook juga dong mbah... add me too Mira
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
I agree with your magic word. It is a pity you leave OB. please stay with us. Your emails are unic chemictry for OB, believe me.. he he I am not bothered by anyone here, especially you my dear.. anyway, thanks for your emails.. Rgds, ND On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine** * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 349.gif344.gif
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
dear... as most colleagues here feel that you're the most valuable member in this OB. Hwvr, you have a right to decide whether wanna share such important market info to this forum or not. But for sure, we will be more than happy if you could share it. As you know, most of OBers are small trader or investor, so usually we got layer 2 or 3 market info. So, by you are part this family this could be broken up to be layer 2 or even layer 1. Anyway, good luck, hope the best 4 u. If you have time just drop an email this will good for us. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine** * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 349.gif344.gif
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
DON'T LEAVE US EL kalo Elaine pergi saya gak mau invest lagi, back to tek tok! On 4/18/09, Lucky Trader soluckytra...@gmail.com wrote: dear... as most colleagues here feel that you're the most valuable member in this OB. Hwvr, you have a right to decide whether wanna share such important market info to this forum or not. But for sure, we will be more than happy if you could share it. As you know, most of OBers are small trader or investor, so usually we got layer 2 or 3 market info. So, by you are part this family this could be broken up to be layer 2 or even layer 1. Anyway, good luck, hope the best 4 u. If you have time just drop an email this will good for us. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 349.gif344.gif
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Ngancem nih ye...hehe Like she cares. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:54 AM, d' Coffino coff...@gmail.com wrote: DON'T LEAVE US EL kalo Elaine pergi saya gak mau invest lagi, back to tek tok! On 4/18/09, Lucky Trader soluckytra...@gmail.com wrote: dear... as most colleagues here feel that you're the most valuable member in this OB. Hwvr, you have a right to decide whether wanna share such important market info to this forum or not. But for sure, we will be more than happy if you could share it. As you know, most of OBers are small trader or investor, so usually we got layer 2 or 3 market info. So, by you are part this family this could be broken up to be layer 2 or even layer 1. Anyway, good luck, hope the best 4 u. If you have time just drop an email this will good for us. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 349.gif344.gif
[ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Tuh neng El udah kasih hint IHSG akan ke 2.000 sebentar lagi neng El akan ke investor kelas SUPER KAKAP: Goldman Sach, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway artinya kalo SUKSES indeks akan BANJIR dana ASING lagi...dalam tren Bullish spt ini maka strategi yg tepat adalah BH; Buy and Hold or INVEST kata neng Eljangan JUAL saham Anda murah, Blue Chip masih byk yg MURAH apalagi yang Black Chip :)) klo ingin INVEST warrant silahkan cek disini: http://www.ksei.co.id/services.asp?id=4no=412cat=4bhs=I --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine** * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Re: Do you still need me, Embah? Join FACEBOOK
Dear Elaine, Trims untuk semua sharingnya, sangat valuable buat kita semua terutama retailer. Baru kali ini saya nemuin ada bd baik hati. :) Good luck with your task, my dear. Regards, DE 2009/4/17 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com *I just want to know you better -- that's all.. [?] You know, I mostly get information earlier than any traders especially retails. It feels 'unfair' if I was just giving only bear warning last year, the casualties were enormous and I KNOW many retail portfolios were hit badly, even though I gave A LOT of warning last year. So I decided to re-join OB last Nov and that time it was bull warning. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just sharing what you need to know. Anyway you are right, I'M EXHAUSTED. Managing clients expectation is very tough job, but we managed to bring them back to invest in IDX. I need a rest too, so I guess I'll take a break from OB for a while. Ada Oentoeng, JT, Arto, Dean, Halim, please lead OB to 2000. Anyway I was just spammed with FB request... [?] Embah, thank you for allowing me to be here. I may not be the nicest girl in OB, but personally OB is like a virtual family to me. Forgive my harsh jokes to any members here. Elaine ada roadshow for 3 months, I hope I can bring more investor to IDX. My targets are big institutional investor like Goldman Sachs, DBS, Barclays and Berkshire Hathaway. Wish me luck. And lastly, my message is just only this magic word: INVEST. You don't have to trade online to be rich. Elaine* * * On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: We all need you, dear... I never touch Facebook, Friendster or alike.. Don't worry about IHSG, if the Retailer pull out from market, Big Player will do the OPPOSITE, believe me !!! they are CONTRARIAN.. But if IHSG goes down, it is NOT because of the retailer in OB, it will be caused by the regional market... We can do nothing, dear. Take a vacation, Elaine pasti lagi cape deh. Making prediction in the milist cause more STRESS than trading because It is not about money but PRIDE. You know a lot of OB's senior quit from OB, it is not because of money but PRIDE. Most Senior people afraid OF losing their pride except your beloved one JT. We all know that you are still THE BEST eventhough the index goes down next week. Frankly speaking: I DON'T KNOW whether IHSG will go up or go down next week. But because We don't know, we should not be exposed. It is reasonable, isn't it ?. So just relax, you are THE BEST dear, you don't need us but We need YOU swear Note: - Embah plan to take DAY OFF on April 24,25 and 26. On Monday 27, I will be back. *Looks like there's only small number of investor here tsk tsk.. well, I won't ask for money, but I need you guys to FORCE EMBAH OENTOENG TO JOIN FACEBOOK. I'll wait for a week, if they still don't do it, it means they don't want me here anymore and I have no option than to sign off from OB.please.. [?]? Elaine bisa kasih target PEAK for any stocks, from bluechips to living dead stocks.. People power. Elaine* + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 349.gif344.gif
