BUMPY scenario mulai jalan...RE: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock
Scenario IHSG BUMPY yg embah bilang sebelum Lebaran mulai berjalan: http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png Note: - Make sure that you STILL have cash when BIG correction come !!! _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:41 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanb http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png andar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
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*Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.sa...@... wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@... Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 329.gif333.gif
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We already in war. Just recently China arested rio tinto exec for espionage. I it's a clear statement that they take this economic turmoil as a war. Anyway.. Gold will still outpaced stock market.. At least for the next 3-5 years On 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid. The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. Is this correct? I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.sa...@... wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@... Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 329.gif333.gif
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If it was a war (1960's), America lost after Vietnam War and flotation of USD to Gold. The Bretton Wood system disbanded in 1970's meaning the peg was lifted. Still, America chugs and left the rest of the world behind, economically. So did they lose when they close down Bretton Wood? On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Cold War part II? Elaine* * * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com wrote: We already in war. Just recently China arested rio tinto exec for espionage. I it's a clear statement that they take this economic turmoil as a war. Anyway.. Gold will still outpaced stock market.. At least for the next 3-5 years On 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid. The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. Is this correct? I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.sa...@... wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@... Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 329.gif333.gif
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Sharia teaching endorse using dinar (4.235g of 22 carat gold) and dirham (silver). +++ --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. Is this correct?
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yes, in the holy texts they only mention dinar (gold) and dirham (silver). not a single word of fulus (paper) i found. i waited eagerly when HSBC and BSM announced they would launched gold saving, but looks like some invisible hand banned this kind of saving. nonetheles, i faithfully begun stockpilling bullion and bought bond, reducing stock trading account and keeping the investment account. however, its hard to short the USD when your bank charge a hefty fee for withdrawing your own money. do you know that stockpiling gold is also banned in sharia? wealth should be put in circulation, creating more wealth and distribute the economy to the whole society. that's why they taxes gold saving above certain weight after a year. On 9/18/09, Mo_Cuan syarif...@yahoo.com wrote: Sharia teaching endorse using dinar (4.235g of 22 carat gold) and dirham (silver). +++ --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. Is this correct? -- === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!
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Sdh coba gadai emas di Pegadaian ? Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin -Original Message- From: CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:33:20 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock yes, in the holy texts they only mention dinar (gold) and dirham (silver). not a single word of fulus (paper) i found. i waited eagerly when HSBC and BSM announced they would launched gold saving, but looks like some invisible hand banned this kind of saving. nonetheles, i faithfully begun stockpilling bullion and bought bond, reducing stock trading account and keeping the investment account. however, its hard to short the USD when your bank charge a hefty fee for withdrawing your own money. do you know that stockpiling gold is also banned in sharia? wealth should be put in circulation, creating more wealth and distribute the economy to the whole society. that's why they taxes gold saving above certain weight after a year. On 9/18/09, Mo_Cuan syarif...@yahoo.com wrote: Sharia teaching endorse using dinar (4.235g of 22 carat gold) and dirham (silver). +++ --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. Is this correct? -- === BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!
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*[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_predict...@... wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links B0C.gif
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Mau bikin right shoulder ya ? Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:41:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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Yuh.. I love it ^^ -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:41:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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Berarti habis liburan harus cash position nih Regards, EdBa -Original Message- From: stock.bree...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:06:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock Yuh.. I love it ^^ -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:41:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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*Elaine suka memaksa ya? [?] thank's Embah. -500 is fine to me. Elaine bantu ya.. Artomoro juga.. together we will have our super-discount!!! (no actually I'll just wait until the market correct itself, I dunno how and I dunno when [?]) Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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i take it as big fund is coming to stay, but not without a discount. which sector? - the one benefiting from weak dollar and strong rupiah - the one with domestic driven revenue what do you think? btw, can someone please jack ASII up to 50K? :-) On 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: Elaine suka memaksa ya? [?] thank's Embah. -500 is fine to me. Elaine bantu ya.. Artomoro juga.. together we will have our super-discount!!! (no actually I'll just wait until the market correct itself, I dunno how and I dunno when [?]) Elaine On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since
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Asiiik..asiik..setelah cash on hand.. Kelar liburan bisa dapat barang murah.. this is just wonderful. Elaine..I would really like to comment something useful, but I am afraid all that come out from me is blah blah blah.. So..instead, I just say Elaine, I Love you!! Happy Hari Raya dear!! s|n (south|north) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:08:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *Elaine suka memaksa ya? [?] thank's Embah. -500 is fine to me. Elaine bantu ya.. Artomoro juga.. together we will have our super-discount!!! (no actually I'll just wait until the market correct itself, I dunno how and I dunno when [?]) Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view
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You don't seem to sure if you can get the discount EL...unlike 2008 :-)Maybe we will continue on having this party (can we?) and then when the party's over (sometime next year?), the bears can come in and collect all the rubbish. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Elaine suka memaksa ya? [?] thank's Embah. -500 is fine to me. Elaine bantu ya.. Artomoro juga.. together we will have our super-discount!!! (no actually I'll just wait until the market correct itself, I dunno how and I dunno when [?]) Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus
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I think we have to start thinking about the different between Interest and Usury. Now the bank interest in the 1st world has reached a number of below 2% / annum Meanwhile the profit sharing system in shariah could reached a math number of 30% / deal Usury is the excessive charge of interest of loans Pls refer to Usury in wikipedia Considering the numbers above, dont you think we have to change our understanding?? Just a thought . A3K From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kucing_liar1 Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 4:49 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock geee...ive become more amaze with islamic teachings beside the gold it self...it doesnt allow the interest rate right? the economic should be based on real sector and also push the wealth to be distributed right??? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@... wrote: yes, in the holy texts they only mention dinar (gold) and dirham (silver). not a single word of fulus (paper) i found. i waited eagerly when HSBC and BSM announced they would launched gold saving, but looks like some invisible hand banned this kind of saving. nonetheles, i faithfully begun stockpilling bullion and bought bond, reducing stock trading account and keeping the investment account. however, its hard to short the USD when your bank charge a hefty fee for withdrawing your own money. do you know that stockpiling gold is also banned in sharia? wealth should be put in circulation, creating more wealth and distribute the economy to the whole society. that's why they taxes gold saving above certain weight after a year. On 9/18/09, Mo_Cuan syarif...@... wrote: Sharia teaching endorse using dinar (4.235g of 22 carat gold) and dirham (silver). +++ --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. Is this correct?
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H S formations is under-way then - go ahead. _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ruzli...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock Mau bikin right shoulder ya ? Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin _ From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:41:22 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya. Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan. Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro economy yg BARU !!! http://www.obrolanb http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png andar.com/pwlihsgbumpy.png --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?] Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology? Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Elaine, Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang sudah banyak yg lupa... Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting... --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos more than I'm allowed to. Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan 2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%. I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions. They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way, everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.* *** The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this correct? * * I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz.. Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?] Elaine** * On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction iching_prediction@ wrote: ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua ke el..he..he --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus
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Elaine I love you -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus have been shrinking vs China (it means your import from China is much bigger than your export). If this continues, you may get trade deficits, and deficits may weaken your currency. (and may in return force me to sell bonds)* #3 About stock:... India has just having INFLATION on soft commodity sector (food), its ripple effect may pick up the palm oil demand. (Please elaborate from fundamental/technical pov). I think it should bring positive sentiment to the plantation sector (palm oil, corn, soybean) Embah, what do you think? Elaine* ** No choice. It depends on your govt action.* B0C.gif
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'Elaine, I love you'. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus have been shrinking vs China (it means your import from China is much bigger than your export). If this continues, you may get trade deficits, and deficits may weaken your currency. (and may in return force me to sell bonds)* #3 About stock:... India has just having INFLATION on soft commodity sector (food), its ripple effect may pick up the palm oil demand. (Please elaborate from fundamental/technical pov). I think it should bring positive sentiment to the plantation sector (palm oil, corn, soybean) Embah, what do you think? Elaine* ** No choice. It depends on your govt action.* B0C.gif
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Elaine you love me :) Sent from my BuyBakrie® Power by DEWA -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus have been shrinking vs China (it means your import from China is much bigger than your export). If this continues, you may get trade deficits, and deficits may weaken your currency. (and may in return force me to sell bonds)* #3 About stock:... India has just having INFLATION on soft commodity sector (food), its ripple effect may pick up the palm oil demand. (Please elaborate from fundamental/technical pov). I think it should bring positive sentiment to the plantation sector (palm oil, corn, soybean) Embah, what do you think? Elaine* ** No choice. It depends on your govt action.* B0C.gif
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Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy. Lop u full baby... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I love you'. [?] Happy hari raya! Elaine** * On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *Dear all, would you like to share with me? **#1 About bonds:.. I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders, but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the monetary condition. #2 About currency:... ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus have been shrinking vs China (it means your import from China is much bigger than your export). If this continues, you may get trade deficits, and deficits may weaken your currency. (and may in return force me to sell bonds)* #3 About stock:... India has just having INFLATION on soft commodity sector (food), its ripple effect may pick up the palm oil demand. (Please elaborate from fundamental/technical pov). I think it should bring positive sentiment to the plantation sector (palm oil, corn, soybean) Embah, what do you think? Elaine* ** No choice. It depends on your govt action.* B0C.gif
