Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-21 Terurut Topik Rei 
Ekonomi US makin tidak jelas, begitupun outlook usd maka secara alami gold +
oil bisa naik lagi. Index kita weightingnya berat di komoditas, mungkin saja
rally lagi...tapi 1000 point? Dari 1592 saja mesti 2592 lho...bisa?
Jadi kalo rally pun ini adalah "akibat", bukan krn perbuatan seseorang yg
memang sengaja membuat rally 1000 point. Makes sense?

On 9/21/08, agung aja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> bener ngga sih nih beritanya
> anehnya oil udah mulai rally tuh...
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> membingungkan...
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> --- On *Sun, 9/21/08, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
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> From: Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to
> theater near you
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 6:44 AM
>
>   gak cuap-cuap... cuman corat-coret aja... :D
>
> maklum lagi boring sekali.
>
> beginilah jadinya kalau wasit merangkap player
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> ha.ha
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>  2008/9/21 Rei >
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>>  Ah...kalo asal cuap2 saya juga jago pak Hmin :-)))
>>
>>  On 9/20/08, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>> wrote:
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>>>DJI sudah rally 1000 point lebih dari bottom tanpa koreksi dalam 3
>>> hari.
>>>
>>> El sudah memenuhi promisenya tuh
>>>
>>>  2008/9/20 Asep IG <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>>
>>>  Setuju mbah, ketidakstabilan market global bagaimana pun saya duga
>>>> masih menjadi mainstream skenario para bozz.  Tinggal bagaimana kita
>>>> para retailer menyikapi saja.  Dari ob saya belajar bagaimana 'hukum'
>>>> aksi reaksi terjadi, termasuk bagaimana anomali yang terjadi
>>>> sebenarnya 'bukan anomali lagi
>>>>
>>>> On 9/20/08, jos_martino >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Market masih belum STABIL, bisa saja Pak Oen NONGOL lagi minggu depan
>>>> > bawa pentungan 200. Makanya BOZZ antisipasi dengan mengangkat INDEX
>>>> > tinggi-tinggi supaya kalo DOWN tidak MENEMBUS LOWEST yang kemarin.
>>>> > SUBPRIME Part II BELUM LEWAT
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com,
>>>> Vincent Chase
>>>> >  wrote:
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>>>> >> to Mbah,Oen dll, is it true? or will go back to stone age at 1500 BC
>>>> > soon?
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-21 Terurut Topik agung aja 
bener ngga sih nih beritanya
anehnya oil udah mulai rally tuh...


membingungkan...






--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater 
near you
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 6:44 AM











gak cuap-cuap... cuman corat-coret aja... :D

maklum lagi boring sekali.

beginilah jadinya kalau wasit merangkap player 

ha.ha

2008/9/21 Rei 











Ah...kalo asal cuap2 saya juga jago pak Hmin :-)))


On 9/20/08, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:






DJI sudah rally 1000 point lebih dari bottom tanpa koreksi dalam 3 hari.

El sudah memenuhi promisenya tuh


2008/9/20 Asep IG <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>

Setuju mbah, ketidakstabilan market global bagaimana pun saya duga
masih menjadi mainstream skenario para bozz.  Tinggal bagaimana kita


para retailer menyikapi saja.  Dari ob saya belajar bagaimana 'hukum'
aksi reaksi terjadi, termasuk bagaimana anomali yang terjadi
sebenarnya 'bukan anomali lagi

On 9/20/08, jos_martino  wrote:


> Market masih belum STABIL, bisa saja Pak Oen NONGOL lagi minggu depan
> bawa pentungan 200. Makanya BOZZ antisipasi dengan mengangkat INDEX
> tinggi-tinggi supaya kalo DOWN tidak MENEMBUS LOWEST yang kemarin.


> SUBPRIME Part II BELUM LEWAT
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Vincent Chase

>  wrote:
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>> to Mbah,Oen dll, is it true? or will go back to stone age at 1500 BC
> soon?
>>
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>

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-21 Terurut Topik Frendy 
maksudnya pak DE ini juga berharap indeks kita ke 900 ya ?
hahahahahaha.saya juga mau nih...lagi menunggu saja
hehehehehe..

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Earwicker 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater 
near you



  Kita lagi nonton: 
  Mr. Market vs Mr. Market Manipulator
  Investor vs Konsumen

  Biar gimana Mr. Market pasti menang. Segala bentuk intervensi membutuhkan 
dana besar. Pelarangan short sell dan pengambilalihan oleh pemerintah US 
membuat pasar menjadi tidak normal, dan tidak ada efek bagus, malah injeksi $ 
gede-gedean malah memperparah ekonomi.

  Dilain sisi pelarangan short sell malah "mengaburkan" kondisi perusahaan yang 
lagi carut marut. Lehman sahamnya turun 99.99% karena short sell, lah 
kenyataanya emang bangkrut..

  Fed dan pemerintah Amerika punya kekuatan dan kemampuan yang besar untuk 
mengintervensi pasar, akuisisi, nurunin rate, dsb, namun ada satu yang tidak 
bisa: menciptakan real money. 

  Disadur dari artikel di http://www.dailyreckoning.com/

  Buat investor:
  Optimis sajalah™, jika kita ketemu IHSG<1000 spt yang diramalkan pak Oen, 
mungkin 10 tahun lagi kita 10x lebih kaya dari sekarang, seperti yang dialami 
investor yang mungut "sampah" tahun 1997 dan profit taking tahun lalu. Emas 
bisa jadi alternatif investasi.

  Buat trader: 
  Satu-satunya jalan biar bisa exist di bursa cuma memanfaatkan tech. rebound, 
seperti yang baru kita rasakan kemarin, dan ini perlu TA banget gitu loh, dan 
hasilnya sangat menggairahkan ya..hehe



  Regards,
  DE

  "I've never seen anything like it," said Capital & Crisis' Chris Mayer.

  The Dow rose more than 400 points. Gold was up $46 at the close of the day. 
The dollar is falling…oil is holding steady.

  We're hosting a meeting of financial analysts here at our conference center 
in Normandy. Last night, after dinner, we all gathered around a computer screen 
- amazed, aghast and appalled.

  "I can't believe it…" "Incredible…" "What will they think of next?"

  Your Daily Reckoning editor loved it. He didn't know what to laugh at first!

  From England came word that the financial regulators had banned short selling 
of financial stocks. What did they think…that they could keep prices up by 
decree?

  But the Americans did the same thing, only dumber. The SEC issued an 
emergency edict prohibiting "abusive" short selling. What the heck is that, we 
wondered?

  Maybe it's when you sell a company when the share price has already fallen 
more than 10%… Like kicking a man when he's down; it's not very sporting.

  The feds announced a program of coordinated intervention…with $250 billion to 
be made available to the financial industry to cover its bad debts…

  And get this…CNBC: "Bad Debt Plan May Cost up to a Half a Trillion Dollars."

  Where do the feds get that kind of money? Ha…ha…ha…

  But we're not the only ones… Russia is new to the ways of late, degenerate 
capitalism. But it's getting the hang of it fast. It too is manipulating 
markets with a $20 billion injection "to boost the stock market."

  And then, there's this item from Bloomberg:

  The latest crises "expose the flaws" and "tarnish the image" of the U.S. 
economy.

  They're missing the point completely. It is not "flaws" that are being 
exposed - it's the whole consumer economic model and the whole generation of 
jackass economists who created it. They rejected the insights of classical 
economics. Instead of encouraging saving and capital formation, they thought 
they could nurture growth by luring consumers to spend more money.

  "Tarnish the image?" No, this crisis will eventually destroy the image 
altogether, not tarnish it.

  But let us return to the story as we've been telling it. There's a war going 
on…a battle between a natural market correction…and an artificial attempt to 
avoid it. On the one hand, Mr. Market wants to correct the excesses of the 
boom/bubble period that began in 1982. On the other, Misters Bernanke and 
Paulson want to prevent him. Mr. Market takes down asset prices. Mr. Market 
Manipulators push them back up.

  We know who the ultimate victor will be. Mr. Market never loses. One way or 
another, real prices must come down. That's just the way it works. Night 
follows day…whether you like it or not. Stocks, bonds, property, art become 
expensive…and then they become cheap. Recently, they've been expensive…soon, 
they will be cheap.

  As recently as a few months ago, it looked like the feds might be able to 
hold off a correction. Government-caused inflation was pushing up prices all 
over the world. Oil hit $147. Gold shot over $1000

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-21 Terurut Topik Halim Mintareja 
gak cuap-cuap... cuman corat-coret aja... :D

maklum lagi boring sekali.

beginilah jadinya kalau wasit merangkap player

ha.ha

2008/9/21 Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  Ah...kalo asal cuap2 saya juga jago pak Hmin :-)))
>
> On 9/20/08, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>DJI sudah rally 1000 point lebih dari bottom tanpa koreksi dalam 3
>> hari.
>>
>> El sudah memenuhi promisenya tuh
>>
>> 2008/9/20 Asep IG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Setuju mbah, ketidakstabilan market global bagaimana pun saya duga
>>> masih menjadi mainstream skenario para bozz.  Tinggal bagaimana kita
>>> para retailer menyikapi saja.  Dari ob saya belajar bagaimana 'hukum'
>>> aksi reaksi terjadi, termasuk bagaimana anomali yang terjadi
>>> sebenarnya 'bukan anomali lagi
>>>
>>> On 9/20/08, jos_martino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > Market masih belum STABIL, bisa saja Pak Oen NONGOL lagi minggu depan
>>> > bawa pentungan 200. Makanya BOZZ antisipasi dengan mengangkat INDEX
>>> > tinggi-tinggi supaya kalo DOWN tidak MENEMBUS LOWEST yang kemarin.
>>> > SUBPRIME Part II BELUM LEWAT
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase
>>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> to Mbah,Oen dll, is it true? or will go back to stone age at 1500 BC
>>> > soon?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-21 Terurut Topik Rei 
Ah...kalo asal cuap2 saya juga jago pak Hmin :-)))

On 9/20/08, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>DJI sudah rally 1000 point lebih dari bottom tanpa koreksi dalam 3
> hari.
>
> El sudah memenuhi promisenya tuh
>
> 2008/9/20 Asep IG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Setuju mbah, ketidakstabilan market global bagaimana pun saya duga
>> masih menjadi mainstream skenario para bozz.  Tinggal bagaimana kita
>> para retailer menyikapi saja.  Dari ob saya belajar bagaimana 'hukum'
>> aksi reaksi terjadi, termasuk bagaimana anomali yang terjadi
>> sebenarnya 'bukan anomali lagi
>>
>> On 9/20/08, jos_martino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Market masih belum STABIL, bisa saja Pak Oen NONGOL lagi minggu depan
>> > bawa pentungan 200. Makanya BOZZ antisipasi dengan mengangkat INDEX
>> > tinggi-tinggi supaya kalo DOWN tidak MENEMBUS LOWEST yang kemarin.
>> > SUBPRIME Part II BELUM LEWAT
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> to Mbah,Oen dll, is it true? or will go back to stone age at 1500 BC
>> > soon?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> 
>>
>> + +
>> + + + + +
>> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
>> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
>> + + + + +
>> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-21 Terurut Topik Dean Earwicker 
Kita lagi nonton:
Mr. Market vs Mr. Market Manipulator
Investor vs Konsumen

Biar gimana Mr. Market pasti menang. Segala bentuk intervensi membutuhkan
dana besar. Pelarangan short sell dan pengambilalihan oleh pemerintah US
membuat pasar menjadi tidak normal, dan tidak ada efek bagus, malah injeksi
$ gede-gedean malah memperparah ekonomi.

Dilain sisi pelarangan short sell malah "mengaburkan" kondisi perusahaan
yang lagi carut marut. Lehman sahamnya turun 99.99% karena short sell, lah
kenyataanya emang bangkrut..

Fed dan pemerintah Amerika punya kekuatan dan kemampuan yang besar untuk
mengintervensi pasar, akuisisi, nurunin rate, dsb, namun ada satu yang tidak
bisa: menciptakan real money.

Disadur dari artikel di http://www.dailyreckoning.com/

Buat investor:
Optimis sajalah™, jika kita ketemu IHSG<1000 spt yang diramalkan pak Oen,
mungkin 10 tahun lagi kita 10x lebih kaya dari sekarang, seperti yang
dialami investor yang mungut "sampah" tahun 1997 dan profit taking tahun
lalu. Emas bisa jadi alternatif investasi.

Buat trader:
Satu-satunya jalan biar bisa exist di bursa cuma memanfaatkan tech. rebound,
seperti yang baru kita rasakan kemarin, dan ini perlu TA banget gitu loh,
dan hasilnya sangat menggairahkan ya..hehe



Regards,
DE
*

"I've never seen anything like it," said Capital &
Crisis'
Chris Mayer.

The Dow rose more than 400 points. Gold was up $46 at the close of the day.
The dollar is falling…oil is holding steady.

We're hosting a meeting of financial analysts here at our conference center
in Normandy. Last night, after dinner, we all gathered around a computer
screen - amazed, aghast and appalled.

"I can't believe it…" "Incredible…" "What will they think of next?"

Your Daily Reckoning editor loved it. He didn't know what to laugh at first!

>From England came word that the financial regulators had banned short
selling of financial stocks. What did they think…that they could keep prices
up by decree?

But the Americans did the same thing, only dumber. The SEC issued an
emergency edict prohibiting "abusive" short selling. What the heck is that,
we wondered?

Maybe it's when you sell a company when the share price has already fallen
more than 10%… Like kicking a man when he's down; it's not very sporting.

The feds announced a program of coordinated intervention…with $250 billion
to be made available to the financial industry to cover its bad debts…

And get this…CNBC: "Bad Debt Plan May Cost up to a Half a Trillion Dollars."

Where do the feds get that kind of money? Ha…ha…ha…

But we're not the only ones… Russia is new to the ways of late, degenerate
capitalism. But it's getting the hang of it fast. It too is manipulating
markets with a $20 billion injection "to boost the stock market."

And then, there's this item from Bloomberg:

The latest crises "expose the flaws" and "tarnish the image" of the U.S.
economy.

They're missing the point completely. It is not "flaws" that are being
exposed - it's the whole consumer economic model and the whole generation of
jackass economists who created it. They rejected the insights of classical
economics. Instead of encouraging saving and capital formation, they thought
they could nurture growth by luring consumers to spend more money.

"Tarnish the image?" No, this crisis will eventually destroy the image
altogether, not tarnish it.

But let us return to the story as we've been telling it. There's a war going
on…a battle between a natural market correction…and an artificial attempt to
avoid it. On the one hand, Mr. Market wants to correct the excesses of the
boom/bubble period that began in 1982. On the other, Misters Bernanke and
Paulson want to prevent him. Mr. Market takes down asset prices. Mr. Market
Manipulators push them back up.

We know who the ultimate victor will be. Mr. Market never loses. One way or
another, real prices must come down. That's just the way it works. Night
follows day…whether you like it or not. Stocks, bonds, property, art become
expensive…and then they become cheap. Recently, they've been expensive…soon,
they will be cheap.

As recently as a few months ago, it looked like the feds might be able to
hold off a correction. Government-caused inflation was pushing up prices all
over the world. Oil hit $147. Gold shot over $1000. Investors were getting
rich in Chinese stocks and London property. Consumer price inflation was
rising everywhere. Back then, it looked like consumers would be the big
casualties of this war. They were facing much higher prices…with declining
incomes.

But then, financial institutions began to take incoming…and pretty soon…the
whole battalion of investors, worldwide, were getting beaten back. Stock
market investors suffered flesh wounds in the United States; the Dow is down
about 17%. In China, investors have practically had their heads blown off;
the Shanghai index has lost 67%. Commodity investors got whacked too. Oil is
down a third from its high. Y

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-20 Terurut Topik Vincent Chase 
g kirain hongkong hsi cuman dlm 1 hari dah kelebihan 1000pts

Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
DJI sudah rally 1000 point lebih dari bottom tanpa koreksi dalam 3 hari.

El sudah memenuhi promisenya tuh

2008/9/20 Asep IG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Setuju mbah, ketidakstabilan market global bagaimana pun saya duga
 masih menjadi mainstream skenario para bozz.  Tinggal bagaimana kita
 para retailer menyikapi saja.  Dari ob saya belajar bagaimana 'hukum'
 aksi reaksi terjadi, termasuk bagaimana anomali yang terjadi
 sebenarnya 'bukan anomali lagi
 
 On 9/20/08, jos_martino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > Market masih belum STABIL, bisa saja Pak Oen NONGOL lagi minggu depan
 > bawa pentungan 200. Makanya BOZZ antisipasi dengan mengangkat INDEX
 > tinggi-tinggi supaya kalo DOWN tidak MENEMBUS LOWEST yang kemarin.
 > SUBPRIME Part II BELUM LEWAT
 >
 >
 > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase
 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >>
 >> to Mbah,Oen dll, is it true? or will go back to stone age at 1500 BC
 > soon?
 >>
 >
 >
 >
 
 
 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-20 Terurut Topik Halim Mintareja 
DJI sudah rally 1000 point lebih dari bottom tanpa koreksi dalam 3 hari.

El sudah memenuhi promisenya tuh

2008/9/20 Asep IG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Setuju mbah, ketidakstabilan market global bagaimana pun saya duga
> masih menjadi mainstream skenario para bozz.  Tinggal bagaimana kita
> para retailer menyikapi saja.  Dari ob saya belajar bagaimana 'hukum'
> aksi reaksi terjadi, termasuk bagaimana anomali yang terjadi
> sebenarnya 'bukan anomali lagi
>
> On 9/20/08, jos_martino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Market masih belum STABIL, bisa saja Pak Oen NONGOL lagi minggu depan
> > bawa pentungan 200. Makanya BOZZ antisipasi dengan mengangkat INDEX
> > tinggi-tinggi supaya kalo DOWN tidak MENEMBUS LOWEST yang kemarin.
> > SUBPRIME Part II BELUM LEWAT
> >
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> to Mbah,Oen dll, is it true? or will go back to stone age at 1500 BC
> > soon?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
>
> + +
> + + + + +
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: coming soon '1000 points rally' to theater near you

2008-09-19 Terurut Topik Asep IG 
Setuju mbah, ketidakstabilan market global bagaimana pun saya duga
masih menjadi mainstream skenario para bozz.  Tinggal bagaimana kita
para retailer menyikapi saja.  Dari ob saya belajar bagaimana 'hukum'
aksi reaksi terjadi, termasuk bagaimana anomali yang terjadi
sebenarnya 'bukan anomali lagi

On 9/20/08, jos_martino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Market masih belum STABIL, bisa saja Pak Oen NONGOL lagi minggu depan
> bawa pentungan 200. Makanya BOZZ antisipasi dengan mengangkat INDEX
> tinggi-tinggi supaya kalo DOWN tidak MENEMBUS LOWEST yang kemarin.
> SUBPRIME Part II BELUM LEWAT
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> to Mbah,Oen dll, is it true? or will go back to stone age at 1500 BC
> soon?
>>
>
>
>