RE: [Ogf-l] RE: OGL Logos

[Roger Bert]

If 4E is not licensed then you can't brand your OGL products to D&D or d20
for that matter. The d20 System Trademark license and licensees will likely
be rescinded by WOTC. Who are you going to be branding too?

Perhaps today a little "OGL" logo means it is compatible with D&D more or
less for the very few purchasers who know what the OGL is or even notice the
logo. But this will be meaningless when the logos disappear from the real
D&D books.

If your product is not meant to be played with D&D than using a logo is
really meaningless even now. Gamers want a fun and useable game and they
could care less if publishers can re-use their material. Gamers can reuse
anything they want!

And, to be blunt, most of the publishers are not re-using material from
other companies. Sure, there has been a little. But like I said the people
who could reuse the material already know what to look for.

There is no need for an OGL logo and this is especially true if 4E is not
released under the OGL.

Product branding, artwork, and any logos should relate to the product (and
publisher) and not to the OGL.
-Roger
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Roger, marketing isn't just about what currently works under an existing
system but also what can be made to work under a new framework. If 4e is
released and isn't licensed, alternatives will become necessary to anyone
looking to continue their OGL lines with any sort of non-WotC related
branding. That too, is (as you put it), a fact.

Regards,

Steven Trustrum
 President For Life (or until the money runs out)
Misfit Studios

http://www.misfit-studios.com
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Subject: [Ogf-l] RE: OGL Logos

I can't believe that everyone is so interested in someone else's logos and
willing to debate it so much.

Here is the fact: The only logo that means anything is the d20 System logo.

It means something to most D&D players out there. It means something to them
because Wizards of the Coast spent a lot of marketing dollars on it and it
is seen on every D&D book. Heck, even all the 3E D&D player's haven't even
noticed it or care. I mean no offense to anyone but none of you need an OGL
logo. You would be better served using the time and money you would spend on
an OGL logo to make your product better.

The very, very, very few gamers out there that care about the OGL already
know what to look for.

Good Gaming.
-Roger


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[Ogf-l] RE: OGL Logos

[Roger Bert]

I can't believe that everyone is so interested in someone else's logos and
willing to debate it so much.

Here is the fact: The only logo that means anything is the d20 System logo.

It means something to most D&D players out there. It means something to them
because Wizards of the Coast spent a lot of marketing dollars on it and it
is seen on every D&D book. Heck, even all the 3E D&D player's haven't even
noticed it or care. I mean no offense to anyone but none of you need an OGL
logo. You would be better served using the time and money you would spend on
an OGL logo to make your product better.

The very, very, very few gamers out there that care about the OGL already
know what to look for.

Good Gaming.
-Roger


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RE: [Ogf-l] updates to RSRD and/or MSRD

[Roger Bert]

Greetings. Everything they have added to the MSRD after the release. Things
like the d20 Future material, Menace Manual material, and some material from
Urban Arcana. All of these were added later. I also believe they have added
to the regular SRD some material from Deities and Demigods, the epic-level
materials, and from both psionic handbooks. All in all these were helpful
contributions.

-Original Message-
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"What new material are you referring to?"


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RE: [Ogf-l] updates to RSRD and/or MSRD

[Roger Bert]

In the past there have been updates and additions. I believe it has been a
while since any new material has been contributed. I have been very
impressed with the new material that Wizards has contributed, especially to
the Modern SRD. I guess I am saying thanks to the folks at Wizards and
hoping it does continue.

Good Gaming.
-Roger

-Original Message-
Paul W. King writes:
"I've heard rumblings that there are updates to these going on. Has anyone
heard anything more than that?"



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[Ogf-l] Errata and Updates

[Roger Bert]

Greetings.

Has any of the errata such as the new Polymorph changes been incorporated
into the SRD? Have they done this in the past? Is there a web page that
lists the current file date of each individual SRD file or some way to track
changes simply? Is Wizards still making common updates to the SRD as they
have done in the past with the Modern SRD? Is it allowed to use updated
errata in d20 or OGL offerings?

Thanks.
-Roger


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RE: [Ogf-l] Potation? (def)

[Roger Bert]

I believe "Potation" is a word for distilled or extracted. It has also come
to mean drinks that have been distilled (like alcohol). It is a horrible
choice of wording in the OGL.
-Roger Bert.


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RE: [Ogf-l] re: Looking for spreadsheet of d20 PHB spells (Roger Bert)

[Roger Bert]

Thanks for this suggestion, but like most software out there it is not 3.5
compatible yet.
-Roger

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Subject: [Ogf-l] re: Looking for spreadsheet of d20 PHB spells (Roger
Bert)


DM's Familiar, www.paladinpgm.com/dmf, has them in a DBF format which you
should be abel to merge. Download the free demo and look in the DATA folder.
The spell.dbf has all the spells in it.

Todd

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[Ogf-l] Looking for spreadsheet of d20 PHB spells

[Roger Bert]

Greetings. Sorry for the slightly-off topic message here.

I am looking for a spreadsheet or file with the particulars of the d20/PHB
spells so I can create some spell cards with a lucky Mail Merge or two. I
was going to type this in myself but I figured this must have been done
before. Any CSV, Excel, or compatible format will work.

Thanks and Good Gaming.
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RE: [Ogf-l] Why OGL?

[Roger Bert]

Hello. Video Game RPG's are strictly not allowed under the d20 System
Licenses. And I wonder why you would want to try to build a D&D based game
that you could never call D&D without a license from Wizards of the Coast.

In my humble opinion, many times have designers tried to model D&D for
officially licensed video games and failed. Why try to model D&D when you
could never call it that? Instead come up with something that works for you
and your potential customers that is fun! So what if it is similar to D&D
because just about every level-based RPG gives D&D a nod or too.

Good Gaming!
-Roger Bert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Hello,
  I'm new here and I'm contemplating using the D&D OGL in a freeware MMORPG
I'm developing. I've read it and understand the basics but I feel I'm
missing something. Now, as I understand it it, I still won't be able to use
an official logo or even make a reference to D&D like, based on or uses
'Dungeons and Dragons 3.5' rules. If this is so, WHY SHOULD I BOTHER? I
could just go the route of a game like Darkstone that looks and smells like
a D&D game but it's merely cooinsidental (wink-wink).

Athlor

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RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing (PSI)

[Roger Bert]

Seriously they are redoing the Psi handbook too? I know they are redoing all
the splatbooks. What else is being redone?
-Roger

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I VERY MUCH believe that some third-party material WILL be making it into
the 'kernel' next spring. Remember the accidental reissue of the psionics
chapter when they did the final SRD release? Those prestige classes from If
Thoughts Could Kill were in it instead of the ones from the PsiHB.

And the PsiHB3.5 comes out in the spring, so here's my $10 bet that we'll
see some third-party material in it.

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At 17:08 -0700 7/21/03, Fred wrote:
>--- woodelf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  At 10:25 -0400 7/21/03, William Wise wrote:
>>  >Tell them it works like Linux...
>>
>>  ...except a Linux where anybody can develop anything they want,
>>  except a new TCP/IP stack, and no matter what you do or how good it
>>  is, your changes will never be reincorporated into new Linux builds.
>
>Think so?  Take a look in some of the recent Dragon magazines, where
they've
>published OGC content.  That's now available to a HUGE number of games.

it's still not being incorporated into "the kernel".  not saying it
never will, but until WotC decides to take all that cool OGC floating
around out there and make the next version of D&D the latest,
cutting-edge game they can, using the very best ideas out there, D&D
itself isn't directly benefitting from open-source development.
Indirectly, sure, from the whole "network externalities" thing.  But
not from the "many monkeys" thing.

and since WotC doesn't own Dragon any more, it's even less like
reworking the core stuff than it would've been had a WotC-owned
Dragon published unofficial game stuff.
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RE: [Ogf-l] d20 License/ was SRD released

[Roger Bert]

Greetings. Has/Will the d20 System license document change? Thanks.
-Roger
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RE: [Ogf-l] 3.5

[Roger Bert]

You have to give them a few days to sell those books people. :)
-Roger

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[Ogf-l] Sample OGL/d20 Legal Notice Questions

[Roger Bert]

Greetings and Salutations.I am new to the Open Game 
world and am looking to publish some OGL and/or d20 materials on the 
Internet.
In an exercise to learn the legal information posting 
requirements for d20 System licensed products I have created the following fake 
sample legal statement. I would appreciate any advice or comments on what I did 
wrong. You can comment here or e-mail me direct. Thanks for your 
time.Good 
Gaming.*Roger Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED]*
Sample Legal Information
This publication of Sample Product Name is done under the 
terms of the Open Game License Version 1.0a, the d20 System License Version 4.0, 
and the d20 System Guide Version 3.0.
This publication requires the use of the Dungeons & Dragons(R), Third 
Edition Core Books, and the Psionics Handbook, published by Wizards of the 
Coast, Inc.
Dungeons & Dragons(R) and Wizards of the Coast(R) are registered 
trademarks of Wizards of the Coast, Inc., a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc., and are 
used with permission.
'd20 System' and the 'd20 System' logo are trademarks of Wizards of the 
Coast, Inc., a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc., and are used according to the terms 
of the d20 System License version 4.0. A copy of this License can be found at www.wizards.com/d20.
Notice of Open Game Content:Portions of this publication contain 
Open Game Content as defined under the Open Game License Version 1.0a. Open Game 
Content may only be Used under and in terms of the Open Game License.
Designation of Product Identity:All material other than game rules 
already considered Open Gaming Content is considered Product Identity as 
described in Section 1(e) of the Open Game License Version 1.0a. This includes, 
but is not limited to, product and product line names, logos and identifying 
marks including trade dress; artifacts; creatures, characters; stories, 
storylines, plots, thematic elements, dialogue, incidents, language, artwork, 
symbols, designs, depictions, likenesses, formats, poses, concepts, themes and 
graphic, photographic and other visual or audio representations; names and 
descriptions of characters, spells, enchantments, personalities, teams, 
personas, likenesses and special abilities, places, locations, environments, 
countries,  creatures, geographic locations, gods, historic events, 
equipment, magic items, magical or supernatural abilities or effects, 
organizations, logos, symbols, or graphic designs; and any other trademark or 
registered trademark clearly identified as Product identity by the owner of the 
Product Identity, and which specifically excludes the Open Game Content. In 
addition, the following specific materials are also designated as Product 
Identity: the names "Sample Publishing Inc", "Crazy World Book", 
and "Crazy Sample Guide";  the name, descriptions, and all text of 
the following Races, Classes, Skills, Feats, Equipment, Weapons, Magic Items and 
Spells, "Bolon, Runner, Freaker, Crazy Dude, Self-Bomb, Magic Gatekey, 
and Dirty Spell"; and all text under the 'Description' header of any of 
the Races, Classes, Skills, Feats, Equipment, Weapons, Magic Items and 
Spells.
Designation of Open Gaming Content:With the exception of Product 
Identity, the text of all Races, Classes, Skills, Feats, Equipment, Weapons, 
Magic Items and Spells adopted from the System Reference Document and the 
Modern System Reference Document herein are considered Open Game Content. 
All Stat Blocks, excepting the name or proper name associated with the Stat 
Block and any Product Identity included within, are Open Game Content. All text 
in Chapter 7, "The Silly Mechanic", is hereby designated as Open Game 
Content.
OPEN GAME LICENSE Version 1.0aThe following text is the property 
of Wizards of the Coast, Inc. and is Copyright 2000 Wizards of the Coast, Inc 
("Wizards"). All Rights Reserved.
1. Definitions: (a)"Contributors" means the copyright and/or trademark owners 
who have contributed Open Game Content; (b)"Derivative Material" means 
copyrighted material including derivative works and translations (including into 
other computer languages), potation, modification, correction, addition, 
extension, upgrade, improvement, compilation, abridgment or other form in which 
an existing work may be recast, transformed or adapted; (c) "Distribute" means 
to reproduce, license, rent, lease, sell, broadcast, publicly display, transmit 
or otherwise distribute; (d)"Open Game Content" means the game mechanic and 
includes the methods, procedures, processes and routines to the extent such 
content does not embody the Product Identity and is an enhancement over the 
prior art and any additional content clearly identified as Open Game Content by 
the Contributor, and means any work covered by this License, including 
translatio