Re: [Ogf-l] Creative Commons alternate copyright system
Users of the license and licensed material. We've had several cases discussed on this list where used material has not been attributed to the original source (the whole Section 15 discussion), and debates over how certain types of material can be used. I was wondering how the users of Creative Commons have gotten around or through these issues. -Fletch!Tim Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Oct 2004 Mike scribbled a note about [Ogf-l] Creative Commons alternate copyright syst: I thought that the following article might be of interest to those on this list. It sounds very similar to the system founded under the OGL. I wonder then how they plan to overcome many of the accountability and referencing issues that are discussed so frequently on this board. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2004-10-12-creative-commo ns_x .htmThe Creative Commons licence is a generic license that has been around for a good while (a few years at least). I am not sure what you mean by how they plan to get around certain issues. Who is "they"?___Ogf-l mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] Creative Commons alternate copyright system
On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 06:10:41AM -0700, Mike Kletch wrote: Users of the license and licensed material. We've had several cases discussed on this list where used material has not been attributed to the original source (the whole Section 15 discussion), and debates over how certain types of material can be used. I was wondering how the users of Creative Commons have gotten around or through these issues. I would expect that it would be resolved in the same manner in which you'd resolve someone using standard copyrighted material; appropriate legal action. Although a lot of the problems people have with Section 15 vanish: First, it's possible to use a CC license which does not require attribution. In that case obviously there's no equivalent to Section 15. Second, it's possible to use a CC license which doesn't require derivative works to use a CC license, in which case the derivation chain doesn't necessarily exist. Third, even if you do use a CC license which requires a) attribution and b) the licensee to share his or her work, the attribution clause is not as complex as the OGL's attribution clause. You have to keep copyright notices intact; you have to give the original author credit; you have to give the title of the original work; and you have to give this credit in a manner comparable to other comparable authorship credit. The big win here is that the CC isn't concerned with preventing people from identifying compatability. The OGL needed to be written in a manner which prevented people from claiming compatability with DD, so the attribution guidelines are stringent and inflexible. The CC had no such requirement; thus, you get flexibility. -- Bryant Durrell [] http://www.innocence.com/~durrell [] 9/11/2001 [] Has anybody ever seen a drama critic in the daytime? Of course not. They come out after dark, up to no good. -- P. G. Wodehouse ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] Creative Commons alternate copyright system
At 5:24 -0700 10/16/04, Mike Kletch wrote: I thought that the following article might be of interest to those on this list. It sounds very similar to the system founded under the OGL. I wonder then how they plan to overcome many of the accountability and referencing issues that are discussed so frequently on this board. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2004-10-12-creative-commons_x.htm Mostly, they just avoid them in the first place. Keep in mind, the Creative Commons licenses are a collection of licenses, rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. And they've been around for at least a year or three. Anyway, the WotC OGL has two masters: it is both trying to be a copyleft *and* an extra-strong protection for some sorts of IP. The problems with referencing under the WotC OGL come primarily from the trademark restriction clause, something that none of the CC licenses have--they just rely on normal copyright/trademark/patent as being strong enough. Most of the other problems we've discussed on this list stem from the WotC OGL being poorly worded, leading to ambiguity in various areas. The CC licenses are clearly and un-ambiguously worded. Finally, the multiple-license approach is a very different way of addressing users' differing ideas on how they want to share. The WotC OGL caters to different users by allowing the user to decide what to share and what not to. This is good. But the specific implementation leads to the practical issue of documents with some open content and some not-. With the CC licenses, all your content is equally open, and you simply pick the license that makes it the degree of openness you want. That is also good, but in a different way. So, in summary, the majority of the issues over the WotC OGL that have been discussed here simply are non-issues for the CC licenses. Most of them are *not* inherent to open-content development in general (which is part of why we haven't been able to draw upon the large body of experience with open-content licenses in the software world all that much when framing these discussions). -- woodelf* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webpages.charter.net/woodelph/ The Laws of Anime http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm: #24 Law of Americanthropomorphism Americans in Anime appear in one of two roles, either as a really nasty skinny 'Bad Guy' or a big stupid 'Good Guy'. First Corollary - The only people who are more stupid than the big dumb Americans are the American translators. (Sometimes referred to as the Green Line Effect.) Second Corollary - The only people who are more stupid than the American translators are the American editors and censors. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] Creative Commons alternate copyright system
On 16 Oct 2004 Mike scribbled a note about [Ogf-l] Creative Commons alternate copyright syst: I thought that the following article might be of interest to those on this list. It sounds very similar to the system founded under the OGL. I wonder then how they plan to overcome many of the accountability and referencing issues that are discussed so frequently on this board. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2004-10-12-creative-commo ns_x .htm The Creative Commons licence is a generic license that has been around for a good while (a few years at least). I am not sure what you mean by how they plan to get around certain issues. Who is they? ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
