Re: [oi-dev] What's wrong with Pale Moon?
On 2021-01-09 04:19, v...@bb-c.de wrote: Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev writes: Our Firefox is way too outdated. Pale Moon is the only browser working well on OI. I came across a page on their site but can't find it again, it basically stated that the packaging of Pale Moon on OI was resisted by OI developers. So what's wrong with Pale Moon? I know their branding issue. But we could easily overcome it by not build with their official branding, our browser will be named New Moon and everything is fine. Please let me know more about your decision. Thanks. There was a long discussion on this mailing list in December 2019. Please check the list archives for details. Basically, the Pale Moon developers insist that one use private copies of a large number of libraries. If the system version of these libs are used instead, the Pale Moon devs consider that a license violation. Also, they came across as arrogant and high-handed, which was not well- received in the OI community. I can also say that the same was perceived by those (of which I'm one) attempting to make it available on FreeBSD. Regards -- Volker -- Volker A. BrandtConsulting and Support for Solaris-based Systems Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim, GERMANYEmail: v...@bb-c.de Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 46 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt "When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead" ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev -- ~40yrs of UNIX and counting ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] What's wrong with Pale Moon?
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 04:19, Volker A. Brandt wrote: > Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev writes: > > I know their branding issue. But we could easily overcome it by not build > > with their official branding, our browser will be named New Moon and > > everything is fine. Please let me know more about your decision. Thanks. > There was a long discussion on this mailing list in December 2019. > Please check the list archives for details. > > Basically, the Pale Moon developers insist that one use private copies > of a large number of libraries. If the system version of these libs are > used instead, the Pale Moon devs consider that a license violation. It may be a violation of the right-to-use licence for the "Pale Moon" trademark, but that is as far as I know not a restriction that you can really have with MPLv2.0 code. If you ship the browser without the trademarked materials such as the name and logo, I don't believe you have violated the copyright licence they advertise on their code -- even if it's not the way they would prefer you to ship the software. Cheers. -- Joshua M. Clulow http://blog.sysmgr.org ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] What's wrong with Pale Moon?
If I can I already done. I know I'm just a little man I can't deal with monster like Firefox. My requirements are low. A browser could load non videos site fine is enough for me. So I decided to continue with Epiphany. BTW, it's the GNOME project's official browser. Being backed by GNOME, it's not a fringe browser IMHO. Epiphany has no problems loading JavaScript heavy site like Facebook. Pale Moon does, though. On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 22:54:17 +0700 Volker A. Brandt wrote > Hung Nguyen Gia writes: > > Well. Have read the whole discussion. Too bad, Pale Moon is the only way > > to > > watch 4K quality videos on youtube on OI. Our outdated Firefox can't deal > > with this. > > Then your efforts would be well-spent on helpinh to build a newer Fire- > fox release, which several people are already working on IIRC. Further > dividing effort on fringe browsers is not the best strategy IMHO. > > However, don't let that deter you. Your time is your own, and any and > all interest in OpenIndiana is welcome. > > > Regards -- Volker > -- > > Volker A. BrandtConsulting and Support for Solaris-based Systems > Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ > Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim, GERMANYEmail: v...@bb-c.de > Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 46 > Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt > > "When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead" > ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] What's wrong with Pale Moon?
Hung Nguyen Gia writes: > Well. Have read the whole discussion. Too bad, Pale Moon is the only way to > watch 4K quality videos on youtube on OI. Our outdated Firefox can't deal > with this. Then your efforts would be well-spent on helpinh to build a newer Fire- fox release, which several people are already working on IIRC. Further dividing effort on fringe browsers is not the best strategy IMHO. However, don't let that deter you. Your time is your own, and any and all interest in OpenIndiana is welcome. Regards -- Volker -- Volker A. BrandtConsulting and Support for Solaris-based Systems Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim, GERMANYEmail: v...@bb-c.de Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 46 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt "When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead" ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] What's wrong with Pale Moon?
Well. Have read the whole discussion. Too bad, Pale Moon is the only way to watch 4K quality videos on youtube on OI. Our outdated Firefox can't deal with this. If you rejected Pale Moon then please help me with the porting of the Epiphany Browser. You could see my mail about this on this list. I'm currently stuck at libdazzle. Epiphany can't deal with youtube, too. But at least it has no problem loading github's modern interface. Our Firefox just showed it age, it works very badly with github's modern interface. BTW, I think I will contact athenian200 to get his binary build. I will continue using Pale Moon to be able to watch 4K videos on youtube on OI, regardless of it's accepted to be packaged by the OI team or not. On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 19:19:09 +0700 Volker A. Brandt wrote > Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev writes: > > Our Firefox is way too outdated. Pale Moon is the only browser working > > well on OI. I came across a page on their site but can't find it again, it > > basically stated that the packaging of Pale Moon on OI was resisted by OI > > developers. So what's wrong with Pale Moon? > > > > I know their branding issue. But we could easily overcome it by not build > > with their official branding, our browser will be named New Moon and > > everything is fine. Please let me know more about your decision. Thanks. > > There was a long discussion on this mailing list in December 2019. > Please check the list archives for details. > > Basically, the Pale Moon developers insist that one use private copies > of a large number of libraries. If the system version of these libs are > used instead, the Pale Moon devs consider that a license violation. > > Also, they came across as arrogant and high-handed, which was not well- > received in the OI community. > > > Regards -- Volker > -- > > Volker A. BrandtConsulting and Support for Solaris-based Systems > Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ > Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim, GERMANYEmail: v...@bb-c.de > Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 46 > Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt > > "When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead" > ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] What's wrong with Pale Moon?
Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev writes: > Our Firefox is way too outdated. Pale Moon is the only browser working well > on OI. I came across a page on their site but can't find it again, it > basically stated that the packaging of Pale Moon on OI was resisted by OI > developers. So what's wrong with Pale Moon? > > I know their branding issue. But we could easily overcome it by not build > with their official branding, our browser will be named New Moon and > everything is fine. Please let me know more about your decision. Thanks. There was a long discussion on this mailing list in December 2019. Please check the list archives for details. Basically, the Pale Moon developers insist that one use private copies of a large number of libraries. If the system version of these libs are used instead, the Pale Moon devs consider that a license violation. Also, they came across as arrogant and high-handed, which was not well- received in the OI community. Regards -- Volker -- Volker A. BrandtConsulting and Support for Solaris-based Systems Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim, GERMANYEmail: v...@bb-c.de Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 46 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt "When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead" ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
[oi-dev] What's wrong with Pale Moon?
Our Firefox is way too outdated. Pale Moon is the only browser working well on OI. I came across a page on their site but can't find it again, it basically stated that the packaging of Pale Moon on OI was resisted by OI developers. So what's wrong with Pale Moon? I know their branding issue. But we could easily overcome it by not build with their official branding, our browser will be named New Moon and everything is fine. Please let me know more about your decision. Thanks. ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
