[old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
I'm not sure why you could not install a SBC in any of the trucks. Let me say up front, these are my thoughts and use as info to help, but you make the final decision of what to use and how. Its a piece of cake actually. No, it is not a direct bolt in. But, installing a later 6 is not either. By going V8, there are things to change in steps. 1. Will need to change to 12 volt system too, so some wiring may be needed. 2. Engine mounts 3. Transmission mounts 4. Driveshaft 5. Rear end mounting 6. Exhaust 7. Transmission cooling lines and cooler 8. Floor work possible 9. Steering box work 10.Brakes need updating 11.May be more as each person decides what they want Assuming stock frame with Mustang II or stock axle. You do have to either buy new, modify from another car/truck or fabricate the engine and transmission mounts. Depending on the height you set the engine as to whether the floor will need modifying. If so, cut a trans hump from any car and weld or bolt to floor. Trim floor as needed. Assuming a rear trans. mount is used and not bell housing mounts. (Really does not matter for installing bell housing mounts, are simple as welding brackets from frame to match if needed.) Assuming an auto trans. for talking. Beginning at the trans., you can use a Camaro or Nova transmission crossmember with tabs bolted or welded to frame. Or, one from Chassis Engineers http://www.chassisengineeringinc.com/page11.html Link also shows engine mounts. Or can fab your own. If using the stock steering box, if I remember right you may have to move box over 1-2 inches, weld or bolt a bracket on outside of frame for supporting box outer bolt. By moving box, means you will have to bend the steering arm slightly depending on the amount you move. You can offset the engine to passenger side and not move box or not as much. For street driving, I have not seen this offset affect anything. For rear end mounting of open drive, use original springs with shock mounting plate from a later rear end for ex. 55-57 Chev. cars. Others may work too or buy ready mades. Rear mount from Chassis Eng. http://www.chassisengineeringinc.com/page12.html Measure for drive shaft and find a used one the proper length or modify one, or have one built. If engine sits low to radiator, use a shroud so fan pulls thru all of radiator or use an electric fan. Have radiator cleaned or get a new one for V8. Remember, I did not do this as a step by step procedure. I may have forgotten to mention some things. But, that is why we can build old cars/trucks because we improvise. Just my Thoughts, Walt --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Jones, Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried it once and no matter what I did, I could never get a V8 to fit, > either straight or sideways, small block, big block, this-a-block or any > 8 cylinder that-a-block. So I thought I'd try that ol' six banger that > came with it for awhile and see what happened... Well, I've been happy > as can be ever since and would never go with anything else. > > Allen > '50 3100 > > -Original Message- > From: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bull bear > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 7:22 AM > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] V8 in a 1951 Truck > > If there is anyone that has installed a V8 in an AD truck and willing to > share their experience on a phone call or so, please contact me offline. > > Thanks. > > Bob > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! > > To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the > email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
Sorry guys, but I am no butcher to the body either. The question was asked and I replied. Some frame mods maybe, but that is making a better and safer truck. It will work. It depends on what you want to keep as OEM parts on the truck, Or if you want to use streetrod parts. I was telling basicly my thoughts, as I said not step by step. I could build one with the straight axle but would not, so I would not have to move steering. I would use an S-10 chassis or MII crossmember with original frame. It does not matter which chassis used, you still have to fab. engine mounts and trans. mount. You do NOT HAVE to use a 350 water pump which is the long pump. It is most common at the parts house but you can use the short pump from earlier years. Your brackets and pulleys dictate the pump as being the long or short pump. The pumps, some brackets and pulleys interchange from a 265 -350, including reverse flow pump. Yes, there is more to it, than in my first reply. But if we are rodders or builders we can read between the lines. If not, then maybe it would be better to have the work done by pro until enough experience or knowledge is gained. Or, buy a driver that already has the V8 in it. There are plenty of those on the market. I know, I tried for a year to get the truck with a six cyl. in it. Almost everything I looked at had a V8 in it. Not sure where frame has to be notched. It is easier to use the removable trans. mount like the Camaro or Nova of 70's. (original can be removed or modify). Just my Thoughts, Walt zzz --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My dad put a 283 in a '50 1 ton. Said he'd never do it again. You have to use a 350 water pump, put a u joint in the steering column, get a new front crossmember (this was a manual transmission), move the brake pedal over, and use a different manifold to clear the steering box. There was much more to it than that, that's all I can remember. The object was to make the truck so you couldn't tell it was other than stock sitting in it or outside of it. Steering box has to move over and steering arm has to be heated and bent so it travels in its original arc. Frame has to be notched. Hell, they make frames that will take the cab and let you drop in the engine of your choice. I'd go with that before I'd change occupations and become a butcher. > - Original Message - > From: bull bear > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 7:21 AM > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > If there is anyone that has installed a V8 in an AD truck and willing to share their experience on a phone call or so, please contact me offline. > > Thanks. > > Bob > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
Nick, please reread my earlier replies. I am not trying to answer questions to have an argument. They were my thoughts, not anyone else. I don't need medication for my thoughts. However, to help someone else I will still try. Personally, I did not ask for putting in a V8, I would keep a 6. I haven't seen any other replies to help. Only excuses to not do it. It depends on each others cake. I would rather have a six but the V8 can go in. What front sheetmetal do you think needs modifying? The V8 is shorter than a six, so fits without firewall or radiator mods. True, mounts have to be added to frame. Some removing of old brackets will be needed. I did not give a complete 1,2, 3 of doing it. I said there were things to read between the lines. I agree, some people do not install very well. But, it wasn't the improper install of a V8 that kept me from buying any trucks. All, please don't have a sheltered life of not looking at many trucks with nice installs. They are out there. Please check out the link from StoveBolt that someone else did: http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/projects/johnhenry.htm Just my Thoughts, Walt zzz --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Nick's Yahoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: Walt > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > Walt said: > ""Its a piece of cake actually." > > I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can it be done? - Sure. But certainly not a piece of cake. Probably the only reason he has seen more for sale with V8 is that by the time they got done hacking them up they needed to sell them. Most of the ones I've seen have been so porely done that they wouldn't be considered road worthy and they are trying to pawn it off to some sucker. They were made for a I6 - keep em' that way. > > > > Nick K. > > 51 261 3100 > > Oak Island NC > > > > Hardly. Don't forget about butchering the front sheet metal. > > > > Recent Activity > a.. 4New Members > Visit Your Group > New Message Search > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. > > > > Share feedback on the new changes to Groups > . > > \\__,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
Things were a slower, and people more patient. Had to make do as it was after WWII and money was not plentiful. We had a 1948 Willis Jeep station wagon with a four-cylinder motor that was SMALL. My mother drove that from the middle of Oregon to LA in 1954 ...with three kids on board and no grease in the rear end after the first day. No problem at 45mph. I broke a valve spring the first time I drove it around the block about 1956. And most of the Caterpillar equipment is gasoline now, not diesel. People are in a BIG hurry. ...bill = --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, harley davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I was growing up that is all we had. > Went on 1000 mile vacation to Florida one way. > That 6 in line never let us down. I remember it > smoked so bad every time it started it looked > like we elected a new Pope. But during winter > when no one could get their new cars started we > jumped the neighborhood with that Ole Smoker. > Wolf Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
Lessee ; WHO paid for Bob's truck ? oh yeah ~ _BOB_ did ! . So , if you really don't trust a 235 to take you anywheres in America (you silly boy) by all means , plop a romping , stomping V-ate in there just please don't go rubbing my nose in it as you whistle past me. =8-) . -Nate (who having done more field repairs than most, trusts the mystery mexican rebuilt 235 in my old shop truck more than any brandy new truck) Bull Bear (Bob I think) wrote: > > > > I am fortunate to have 2 trucks. One has a 6 cylinder / 4 speed, and the other one I am contemplating the V8 so that I can take it on 4,000 mile round trip visits (driving 10 hours / day) to see my family. > > I do not have faith in my 6 cylinder that I could do that at today's highway speeds and for extended periods of time. > > I have seen several V8 conversions that did not have any sheetmetal mods and could easily be converted back to a 6 cylinder. Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
- Original Message - From: Walt To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck Walt said: ""Its a piece of cake actually." I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can it be done? - Sure. But certainly not a piece of cake. Probably the only reason he has seen more for sale with V8 is that by the time they got done hacking them up they needed to sell them. Most of the ones I've seen have been so porely done that they wouldn't be considered road worthy and they are trying to pawn it off to some sucker. They were made for a I6 - keep em' that way. Nick K. 51 261 3100 Oak Island NC Hardly. Don't forget about butchering the front sheet metal. Recent Activity a.. 4New Members Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups . \\__,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
My response was a polite attempt, as a moderator, to remind everyone that this list is (quoting from the Group Charter devised by the list owner Rob) "Dedicated to the preservation and restoration of stock 1941-1959 Chevy and GMC trucks. KEEP IT STOCK!" Although not expressly banned from discussion, V8 conversions are probably best left for other lists. In the interests of helping, I'm sure someone can refer you to a list that would love to answer your question (please ping them off group). Thank you, Allen Stock '50 3100 -Original Message- From: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:13 PM To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck Nick, please reread my earlier replies. I am not trying to answer questions to have an argument. They were my thoughts, not anyone else. I don't need medication for my thoughts. However, to help someone else I will still try. Personally, I did not ask for putting in a V8, I would keep a 6. I haven't seen any other replies to help. Only excuses to not do it. It depends on each others cake. I would rather have a six but the V8 can go in. What front sheetmetal do you think needs modifying? The V8 is shorter than a six, so fits without firewall or radiator mods. True, mounts have to be added to frame. Some removing of old brackets will be needed. I did not give a complete 1,2, 3 of doing it. I said there were things to read between the lines. I agree, some people do not install very well. But, it wasn't the improper install of a V8 that kept me from buying any trucks. All, please don't have a sheltered life of not looking at many trucks with nice installs. They are out there. Please check out the link from StoveBolt that someone else did: http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/projects/johnhenry.htm Just my Thoughts, Walt zzz --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Nick's Yahoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: Walt > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > Walt said: > ""Its a piece of cake actually." > > I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can it be done? - Sure. But certainly not a piece of cake. Probably the only reason he has seen more for sale with V8 is that by the time they got done hacking them up they needed to sell them. Most of the ones I've seen have been so porely done that they wouldn't be considered road worthy and they are trying to pawn it off to some sucker. They were made for a I6 - keep em' that way. > > > > Nick K. > > 51 261 3100 > > Oak Island NC > > > > Hardly. Don't forget about butchering the front sheet metal. > > > > Recent Activity > a.. 4New Members > Visit Your Group > New Message Search > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. > > > > Share feedback on the new changes to Groups > . > > \\__,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
Good point, Allen. We do tend to wander sometimes. Thanks for keeping us on track. If anyone wants to check out info on NON-stock old Chevy trucks, the "Oletrucks" list is probably the place to be. You can check 'em out at http://www.chevytrucks.org/resources/lists.htm Lots of good folks on that list, and tons of hot rodders. Tom Caperton '47-2nd Series ... in Whiteville, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jones, Allen To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck My response was a polite attempt, as a moderator, to remind everyone that this list is (quoting from the Group Charter devised by the list owner Rob) "Dedicated to the preservation and restoration of stock 1941-1959 Chevy and GMC trucks. KEEP IT STOCK!" Although not expressly banned from discussion, V8 conversions are probably best left for other lists. In the interests of helping, I'm sure someone can refer you to a list that would love to answer your question (please ping them off group). Thank you, Allen Stock '50 3100 -Original Message- From: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:13 PM To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck Nick, please reread my earlier replies. I am not trying to answer questions to have an argument. They were my thoughts, not anyone else. I don't need medication for my thoughts. However, to help someone else I will still try. Personally, I did not ask for putting in a V8, I would keep a 6. I haven't seen any other replies to help. Only excuses to not do it. It depends on each others cake. I would rather have a six but the V8 can go in. What front sheetmetal do you think needs modifying? The V8 is shorter than a six, so fits without firewall or radiator mods. True, mounts have to be added to frame. Some removing of old brackets will be needed. I did not give a complete 1,2, 3 of doing it. I said there were things to read between the lines. I agree, some people do not install very well. But, it wasn't the improper install of a V8 that kept me from buying any trucks. All, please don't have a sheltered life of not looking at many trucks with nice installs. They are out there. Please check out the link from StoveBolt that someone else did: http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/projects/johnhenry.htm Just my Thoughts, Walt zzz --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Nick's Yahoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: Walt > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > Walt said: > ""Its a piece of cake actually." > > I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can it be done? - Sure. But certainly not a piece of cake. Probably the only reason he has seen more for sale with V8 is that by the time they got done hacking them up they needed to sell them. Most of the ones I've seen have been so porely done that they wouldn't be considered road worthy and they are trying to pawn it off to some sucker. They were made for a I6 - keep em' that way. > > > > Nick K. > > 51 261 3100 > > Oak Island NC > > > > Hardly. Don't forget about butchering the front sheet metal. > > > > Recent Activity > a.. 4New Members > Visit Your Group > New Message Search > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. > > > > Share feedback on the new changes to Groups > . > > \\__,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/grou
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
I am fortunate to have 2 trucks. One has a 6 cylinder / 4 speed, and the other one I am contemplating the V8 so that I can take it on 4,000 mile round trip visits (driving 10 hours / day) to see my family. I do not have faith in my 6 cylinder that I could do that at today's highway speeds and for extended periods of time. I have seen several V8 conversions that did not have any sheetmetal mods and could easily be converted back to a 6 cylinder. Walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nick, please reread my earlier replies. I am not trying to answer questions to have an argument. They were my thoughts, not anyone else. I don't need medication for my thoughts. However, to help someone else I will still try. Personally, I did not ask for putting in a V8, I would keep a 6. I haven't seen any other replies to help. Only excuses to not do it. It depends on each others cake. I would rather have a six but the V8 can go in. What front sheetmetal do you think needs modifying? The V8 is shorter than a six, so fits without firewall or radiator mods. True, mounts have to be added to frame. Some removing of old brackets will be needed. I did not give a complete 1,2, 3 of doing it. I said there were things to read between the lines. I agree, some people do not install very well. But, it wasn't the improper install of a V8 that kept me from buying any trucks. All, please don't have a sheltered life of not looking at many trucks with nice installs. They are out there. Please check out the link from StoveBolt that someone else did: http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/projects/johnhenry.htm Just my Thoughts, Walt zzz --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Nick's Yahoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: Walt > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > Walt said: > ""Its a piece of cake actually." > > I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can it be done? - Sure. But certainly not a piece of cake. Probably the only reason he has seen more for sale with V8 is that by the time they got done hacking them up they needed to sell them. Most of the ones I've seen have been so porely done that they wouldn't be considered road worthy and they are trying to pawn it off to some sucker. They were made for a I6 - keep em' that way. > > > > Nick K. > > 51 261 3100 > > Oak Island NC > > > > Hardly. Don't forget about butchering the front sheet metal. > > > > Recent Activity > a.. 4New Members > Visit Your Group > New Message Search > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. > > > > Share feedback on the new changes to Groups > . > > \\__,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
When I was growing up that is all we had . Went on 1000 mile vacation to Florida one way . That 6 in line never let us down . I remember it smoked so bad every time it started it looked like we elected a new Pope .But during winter when no one could get their new cars started we jumped the neighborhood with that Ole Smoker. Wolf __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
About three years ago a friend of mine moved from near Seattle to near Denver about 1600 miles one way. As part of that move we drove and towed some of this cars to his new home. That was as much as 14 hours in one day and our only vehicle problems were lights that failed. One of the cars we drove was powered by a bone stock 235. That one kept up just fine with the others and except for loosing a headlight it performed flawlessly. On that trip I personally drove a '72 Chevy pickup with a 350. The '57 Chevy with the 235 passed me several times, never needed to stop for fuel as soon as I did, and from the demeanor of the driver, was more comfortable and a more pleasant drive. While I'll admit I like V-8's I'm not convinced a healthy 235 wouldn't be perfectly adequate for modern long-distance driving, unless you plan to exceed the posted speed limit or haul a large load. Unless you have some significant performance needs beyond running the freeway at speed it may be much cheaper to rebuild that 235 than to replace it with a V-8. Or if you need more performance look into a 261 or a GMC 270 or 302. If you think about all the things that need to be replaced or rebuilt to make a V-8 swap My '55 1st GMC easily runs 70+ with a 270 under the hood. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.OldSub.com - Original Message - From: bull bear To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck I am fortunate to have 2 trucks. One has a 6 cylinder / 4 speed, and the other one I am contemplating the V8 so that I can take it on 4,000 mile round trip visits (driving 10 hours / day) to see my family. I do not have faith in my 6 cylinder that I could do that at today's highway speeds and for extended periods of time. I have seen several V8 conversions that did not have any sheetmetal mods and could easily be converted back to a 6 cylinder. Walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nick, please reread my earlier replies. I am not trying to answer questions to have an argument. They were my thoughts, not anyone else. I don't need medication for my thoughts. However, to help someone else I will still try. Personally, I did not ask for putting in a V8, I would keep a 6. I haven't seen any other replies to help. Only excuses to not do it. It depends on each others cake. I would rather have a six but the V8 can go in. What front sheetmetal do you think needs modifying? The V8 is shorter than a six, so fits without firewall or radiator mods. True, mounts have to be added to frame. Some removing of old brackets will be needed. I did not give a complete 1,2, 3 of doing it. I said there were things to read between the lines. I agree, some people do not install very well. But, it wasn't the improper install of a V8 that kept me from buying any trucks. All, please don't have a sheltered life of not looking at many trucks with nice installs. They are out there. Please check out the link from StoveBolt that someone else did: http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/projects/johnhenry.htm Just my Thoughts, Walt zzz --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Nick's Yahoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: Walt > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > Walt said: > ""Its a piece of cake actually." > > I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can it be done? - Sure. But certainly not a piece of cake. Probably the only reason he has seen more for sale with V8 is that by the time they got done hacking them up they needed to sell them. Most of the ones I've seen have been so porely done that they wouldn't be considered road worthy and they are trying to pawn it off to some sucker. They were made for a I6 - keep em' that way. > > > > Nick K. > > 51 261 3100 > > Oak Island NC > > > > Hardly. Don't forget about butchering the front sheet metal. > > > > Recent Activity > a.. 4New Members > Visit Your Group > New Message Search > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. > > > > Share feedback on the new changes to Groups > . > > \\__,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ___
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
you guys and all your high power inline sixes. i'll take my chevy II with it's 194 6 anywhere, anytime. the only other engine offered that year was a 152 4 cyl. (this is humor, do not take my post too serious) Kurt 58 3100 Apache project the "Duracell Project" it keeps going... and going... >From: "Steve Hanberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:09:35 -0800 > >About three years ago a friend of mine moved from near Seattle to near >Denver about 1600 miles one way. As part of that move we drove and towed >some of this cars to his new home. That was as much as 14 hours in one day >and our only vehicle problems were lights that failed. > >One of the cars we drove was powered by a bone stock 235. That one kept up >just fine with the others and except for loosing a headlight it performed >flawlessly. > >On that trip I personally drove a '72 Chevy pickup with a 350. The '57 >Chevy with the 235 passed me several times, never needed to stop for fuel >as soon as I did, and from the demeanor of the driver, was more comfortable >and a more pleasant drive. > >While I'll admit I like V-8's I'm not convinced a healthy 235 wouldn't be >perfectly adequate for modern long-distance driving, unless you plan to >exceed the posted speed limit or haul a large load. Unless you have some >significant performance needs beyond running the freeway at speed it may be >much cheaper to rebuild that 235 than to replace it with a V-8. Or if you >need more performance look into a 261 or a GMC 270 or 302. > >If you think about all the things that need to be replaced or rebuilt to >make a V-8 swap > >My '55 1st GMC easily runs 70+ with a 270 under the hood. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.OldSub.com > > ----- Original Message - > From: bull bear > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > > > I am fortunate to have 2 trucks. One has a 6 cylinder / 4 speed, and the >other one I am contemplating the V8 so that I can take it on 4,000 mile >round trip visits (driving 10 hours / day) to see my family. > > I do not have faith in my 6 cylinder that I could do that at today's >highway speeds and for extended periods of time. > > I have seen several V8 conversions that did not have any sheetmetal mods >and could easily be converted back to a 6 cylinder. > > > > Walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick, please reread my earlier replies. > I am not trying to answer questions to have an argument. > They were my thoughts, not anyone else. > I don't need medication for my thoughts. > However, to help someone else I will still try. > > Personally, I did not ask for putting in a V8, I would keep a 6. > > I haven't seen any other replies to help. > Only excuses to not do it. > > It depends on each others cake. > > I would rather have a six but the V8 can go in. > > What front sheetmetal do you think needs modifying? > The V8 is shorter than a six, so fits without firewall or radiator > mods. > True, mounts have to be added to frame. > Some removing of old brackets will be needed. > I did not give a complete 1,2, 3 of doing it. > I said there were things to read between the lines. > > I agree, some people do not install very well. > But, it wasn't the improper install of a V8 that kept me from buying > any trucks. > > All, please don't have a sheltered life of not looking at many > trucks with nice installs. They are out there. > Please check out the link from StoveBolt that someone else did: > http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/projects/johnhenry.htm > > Just my Thoughts, > Walt > > zzz > --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Nick's Yahoo" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Walt > > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM > > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > > > > Walt said: > > ""Its a piece of cake actually." > > > > I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his > medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher > more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can > it be done? - Sure. But ce
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
At 63 YOA, I can attest that the old stove bolt flat six Chevy engines have made my family scrapbook full, figuretively. Beginning with driving to AZ from WI in 1948 in a Chevy to driving my 52 3100 currently; the Chevies have always gotten us there and back home again. My 52 3100 with a smoker 216 starts quicker than my MB 320 CE. Charlie in AZ --- harley davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I was growing up that is all we had . > Went on 1000 mile vacation to Florida one way . > That 6 in line never let us down . I remember it > smoked so bad every time it started it looked > like we elected a new Pope .But during winter > when no one could get their new cars started we > jumped the neighborhood with that Ole Smoker. > Wolf > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! > > To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no > body, just the email), to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
I am one weird cookie because personally, I don't care if GOD bought it, its sacriledge to hack up one of these trucks, cut the frame, move the steering gearbox, etc, etc to put a power plant in the truck that changes the weight and balance characteristics, makes the brake system less efficient, changes the wear and tear characteristics of the rest of the parts in the drivetrain, and basically trashes a once beautiful piece of our heritage. I say the same thing every time I see a vintage ford car that someone made into a rod. Make no mistake, its MY problem, but its noteworthy for people who are on the edge, deciding, "do I keep it basically original, or do I make a hotrod out of it" to know that there are people in this world that CRINGE everytime they see a hotrod that could have been a classic. Deve www.speedprint.com/Deves50 -Original Message- From: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vwnate1 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:58 PM To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
Deve, I agree with you about hot rods, but I also like eating fish eggs. And accordion music. So I guess we all live in glass houses. I remind myself how much these guys (and gals too) love these hot rods. It is a cultural fact that hot rodding and customizing cars in general are American art forms which long ago transcended their original transportation context. I grew up building plastic models of Ed Big Daddy Roth's Rat Fink et al (and we would frequently enjoy exploding them with cherry bombs) and inventing my own wild*ss death-machines out of spare parts. Mr Roth's machines are now displayed in high-end galleries from time to time and owned by museums. Not CAR museums, but ART museums. My favorite memories (from New Mexico) are my nursery school teacher picking us up in her Model A and my father borrowing his friend's 37 Chevy pickup to go steal sand from the desert for our new sand box. And moving to Ohio (to a five year old Ohio, Iowa and Idaho are the same place!) and counting the Impalas and DeSotos and Oldsmobiles (which looked like they were crying) -- and the wonderful hard worming trucks with smiles on their faces. The stock trucks had enough color and fantasy built into them already for a five year old, and for a fifty-year old it remains just as powerful. jt On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Deve wrote: > I am one weird cookie because personally, I don't care if GOD > bought it, its > sacriledge to hack up one of these trucks, cut the frame, move the > steering > gearbox, etc, etc to put a power plant in the truck that changes > the weight > and balance characteristics, makes the brake system less efficient, > changes > the wear and tear characteristics of the rest of the parts in the > drivetrain, and basically trashes a once beautiful piece of our > heritage. I > say the same thing every time I see a vintage ford car that someone > made > into a rod. > > Make no mistake, its MY problem, but its noteworthy for people who > are on > the edge, deciding, "do I keep it basically original, or do I make > a hotrod > out of it" to know that there are people in this world that CRINGE > everytime > they see a hotrod that could have been a classic. > > Deve > www.speedprint.com/Deves50 > > -Original Message- > From: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vwnate1 > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:58 PM > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: *Possible SPAM* Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck
You are correct no need for butchery, GM did the engineering for you starting in '54 and both 55's. We use these factory mountings even when installing later 6's. When using automatics side mounts are recommended as used in the 60's. Lee Prosser WA - Original Message - From: bull bear To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: *Possible SPAM* Re: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck I am fortunate to have 2 trucks. One has a 6 cylinder / 4 speed, and the other one I am contemplating the V8 so that I can take it on 4,000 mile round trip visits (driving 10 hours / day) to see my family. I do not have faith in my 6 cylinder that I could do that at today's highway speeds and for extended periods of time. I have seen several V8 conversions that did not have any sheetmetal mods and could easily be converted back to a 6 cylinder. Walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nick, please reread my earlier replies. I am not trying to answer questions to have an argument. They were my thoughts, not anyone else. I don't need medication for my thoughts. However, to help someone else I will still try. Personally, I did not ask for putting in a V8, I would keep a 6. I haven't seen any other replies to help. Only excuses to not do it. It depends on each others cake. I would rather have a six but the V8 can go in. What front sheetmetal do you think needs modifying? The V8 is shorter than a six, so fits without firewall or radiator mods. True, mounts have to be added to frame. Some removing of old brackets will be needed. I did not give a complete 1,2, 3 of doing it. I said there were things to read between the lines. I agree, some people do not install very well. But, it wasn't the improper install of a V8 that kept me from buying any trucks. All, please don't have a sheltered life of not looking at many trucks with nice installs. They are out there. Please check out the link from StoveBolt that someone else did: http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/projects/johnhenry.htm Just my Thoughts, Walt zzz --- In old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com, "Nick's Yahoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: Walt > To: old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: [old-chevy-truck] Re: V8 in a 1951 Truck > > > Walt said: > ""Its a piece of cake actually." > > I didn't want to get into this, but Walt has not been taking his medication. Piece of Cake! Don't think so. You have to butcher more sheet metal and change more things than you can imagine. Can it be done? - Sure. But certainly not a piece of cake. Probably the only reason he has seen more for sale with V8 is that by the time they got done hacking them up they needed to sell them. Most of the ones I've seen have been so porely done that they wouldn't be considered road worthy and they are trying to pawn it off to some sucker. They were made for a I6 - keep em' that way. > > > > Nick K. > > 51 261 3100 > > Oak Island NC > > > > Hardly. Don't forget about butchering the front sheet metal. > > > > Recent Activity > a.. 4New Members > Visit Your Group > New Message Search > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. > > > > Share feedback on the new changes to Groups > . > > \\__,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/old-chevy-truck/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
