date:20120229


Am 01.03.12 07:14, schrieb Zhe Liu:

Hi,
I find a lot of UI controls still show the name "OpenOffice.org" .
Should all of them be changed to "Apache OpenOffice"?

Oh, normaly they should use %PRODUCTNAME% and this is Apache OpenOffice 
or OOo-Dev for developer snapshots. The Name should never been hard 
coded inside the appliaction and help.


Did, you use en-US or a zh build?

Greetings Raphael

Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test

2012-02-29 Thread Maho NAKATA

Hi Rob

Is it also possible to paste it to the blog?
just paste ... nothing more effort than rewriting, or is it a marketing matter?
thanks
 Nakata Maho

From: Rob Weir 
Subject: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:21 -0500

> As we approach the first Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice 3.4,
> it would be wonderful if we could have some more volunteers testing
> the latest dev snapshots builds. Following is some information on what
> this requires, and how you can help.
> 
> First, if you have never tested a pre-release product before, know
> that bugs are expected. That is the purpose of testing, to find bugs
> so they can be fixed. Bugs could range from UI glitches, to incorrect
> formatting to crashes or even data corruption.  So you probably don't
> want to use a test build for mission-critical tasks. Of course, I
> assume you have already backed up your important documents.  You do
> have backups, right?  Ideally you can do your testing on a separate
> machine from your main work machine, so if something goes wrong you
> will not interfere with your other work.
> 
> The above are all sensible precautions when testing any pre-release
> software product.
> 
> If you are ready to test, you can download the latest developer
> snapshot build from this page:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
> 
> We could use help verifying the install in all real-world scenarios,
> on clean OS installs, as upgrades to previous versions of OOo and as
> installs on machines where LibreOffice or Symphony are already
> installed.
> 
> Once you have installed, launch OpenOffice and look at the Help/About
> box.  If the revision shown there matches the build you installed
> (e..g, "r1293550") then the install was a success. Please send a short
> note to the ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org telling us what platform and
> scenario you installed (fresh install, upgrade, install next to
> LibreOffice, etc.).  This will help us understand what scenarios have
> already been attempted and which have not.
> 
> After you have installed, there are three approaches to testing, of
> increasing degrees of formality:
> 
> 1) Just use the dev snapshot for your ordinary work, doing your
> ordinary tasks.  When you observe a bug, submit a report on this to
> Bugzilla.
> 
> 2) Self-directed testing.  Pick an area of the product that you
> understand well, like printing or text formatting, or slide show
> transitions.  Spend an hour or two trying to exercise that feature in
> all its variations.  If there is a dialog box, try manipulating all of
> its values.  If it is a formatting option, create a document that uses
> all variations.   Try to break it.  Try to think like a bug.
> 
> A special area that could use attention is version compatibility.
> Take all of your OpenOffice.org 3.3 documents and open them up on AOO
> 3.4.  Any errors?  Formatting issues?  Crashes? Missing data?   Ditto
> for opening Microsoft Office documents.  Are there any regressions,
> e.g., things that worked in 3.3 but now break in 3.4?  Try it in the
> other direction as well.  If you create a document in AOO 3.4, can it
> be read correctly in OOo 3.3?  Did we do anything that breaks
> backwards compatibility?
> 
> Another special area is to verify the translations.  Install a
> multi-language install or a language pack and check the translation
> for completeness and accuracy.  If it looks good, please send a note
> to the list, so we know it has already been verified. If there are
> bugs, please enter into Bugzilla.
> 
> 3) Cover test cases from the test plan
> 
> A 3.4 test plan is on the wiki here:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestCases/
> 
> Results are here:  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestResults
> 
> Look for an area that has not been tested, test it, and upload your results.
> 
> In all cases, if you find bugs, report them in Bugzilla:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> 
> We can also use help re-testing bugs that have been marked as fixed,
> and confirming/reproducing newly reported bugs.  If you want to help
> in Bugzilla, sign up for an account and respond to this note and ask
> for your ID to be put in the  "qa-team" group, so you will have
> expanded permissions to edit issues.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
>

Which name should used, "OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice"?

2012-02-29 Thread Zhe Liu

Hi,
I find a lot of UI controls still show the name "OpenOffice.org" .
Should all of them be changed to "Apache OpenOffice"?

-- 
Best Regards
>From aliu...@gmail.com

Re: Saved template does not appear in list of templates - OK now!

Am Donnerstag, 1. März 2012 schrieb Jean Weber :

> Well, either I made a mistake earlier or something's been fixed
> between the build where the problem described below occurred and the
> latest build, but all worked as it should when I just tried it again.
> Both Mac and Win7.
>
> Sorry for wasting your time.


No wasted time Jean, it shows that you did very good and careful testing.
Thanks.

But that is true for all of you who send reports so far. It's good to see
that so many community members started testing...

Have I mentioned before that this is very motivating? If not, it is very
motivating ;-)

Juergen


> Cheers, Jean
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:21, Jean Weber >
> wrote:
> > I have not attempted to search Bugzilla to see if a bug report exists
> > for this problem. If this is not a known bug, I will attempt to test
> > on Windows and Ubuntu as well as on Mac and file a bug report. But if
> > someone says "oh yes, we know all about that!" and can point me to the
> > bug report, I'll just add a bit to it.
> >
> > Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3, AOO build r1293550.
> > I opened an existing template (File > Templates > Edit), modified it,
> > and saved it (File > Templates > Save).
> > 1) If I go to File > Templates > Organize, the new template does not
> > appear in the list in the Template Management dialog.
> > 2) If I go to File > New > Templates and Documents, the new template
> > does not appear in the list in the Templates and Documents - My
> > Templates dialog.
> > 3) If I go to File > Templates > Edit, the new template does appear in
> > the list in the Open dialog.
> > 4) If I use Template Changer, the new template does appear in the list
> > that TC finds (Select Template dialog, essentially the same as the
> > Open dialog).
> >
> > If I save the template elsewhere on my computer, I can use Import to
> > bring it into My Templates, where cases 1) and 2) above will find it.
> > However, cases 3) and 4) now find *two* copies of the template.
> >
> > --Jean
>

Re: Draft blog post on FreeBSD port of AOO

2012-02-29 Thread Maho NAKATA

Hi Rob,

thank you very much!

Best
 Nakata Maho

From: Rob Weir 
Subject: Re: Draft blog post on FreeBSD port of AOO
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:56:42 -0500

> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Maho NAKATA  wrote:
>> Hello Rob and Pedro,
>>
>> Looks good to me. Thank you very much for polishing!
>> So please go ahead.
> 
> 
> OK.  The blog post is now published:
> 
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_has_been_ported
> 
> Let's share via social networks, blogs, etc.
> 
> I've shared on Twitter and Google+ if anyone wants to RT or Share these posts:
> 
> http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/174870013738614784
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/NiZKSUQZopB
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Anyway, here are my photos:
>> http://accc.riken.jp/maho/200811152043001.jpg
>> http://accc.riken.jp/maho/IMG_1067.jpg
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  Nakata Maho
>>
>> From: Rob Weir 
>> Subject: Re: Draft blog post on FreeBSD port of AOO
>> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:15:59 -0500
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
 On 02/27/12 13:30, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> This is based on a draft from Maho, with some additional edits from
> me.  Please take a look and suggest improvements:
>
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_has_been_ported

 If Maho approves, I have some suggestions:

 To the end of the first paragraph add " Maintaining this new port
 in Apache source tree helps improve the overall portability of
 the system and provides another valuable testing environment."

 The second paragraph, may sound better "FreeBSD is a free operating system
 based on Berkeley's 4.4 BSD source release." Add a last sentence in that
 paragraph: "Since the origins of the Internet it has been known to break 
 ftp
 performance records and power important sites like Yahoo, Hotmail and the
 ASF infrastructure."

 change (old) OpenOffice.org --> legacy OpenOffice.org

 Instead of MN and PG --> maho@ and pfg@

 The FreeBSD team did not create fork. --> The FreeBSD team did not fork.

 Perhaps add "In FreeBSD, OpenOffice and LibreOffice porters share their
 efforts
 in a common mailing list: off...@freebsd.org.

 The "Notably, Jung-uk Kim ..." line should be moved to the end of the
 "Historically," paragraph.

 "Technically, porting is not difficult."  --> "Technically, porting has not
 been very difficult.".
 After " ... linux and FreeBSD are very similar", I would add "MacOSX and
 FreeBSD also
 share many similarities which have helped improve both ports."

 I would put that paragraph before the "Since the OpenOffice project
 migrated".

>>>
>>> OK.  I made those changes on the draft.
>>>
>>> One thing that is not clear to me is the reference to the "dynamic
>>> liner issue".  Would it be worth linking to a bug report or something
>>> to explain what this was?
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>

> Maybe we could get photographs of Maho and Pedro as well?


 Maybe just Maho's since he is the one signing ;).


 cheers,

 Pedro.
>>>
>

report builder extension: cannot be installed into r1293550 on XP, win7 64-bit or Ubuntu

2012-02-29 Thread lou ql

On 1 March 2012 03:49, drew jensen  wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 09:18 -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
> > As we approach the first Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice 3.4,
> > it would be wonderful if we could have some more volunteers testing
> > the latest dev snapshots builds. Following is some information on what
> > this requires, and how you can help.
> >
> > First, if you have never tested a pre-release product before, know
> > that bugs are expected. That is the purpose of testing, to find bugs
> > so they can be fixed. Bugs could range from UI glitches, to incorrect
> > formatting to crashes or even data corruption.  So you probably don't
> > want to use a test build for mission-critical tasks. Of course, I
> > assume you have already backed up your important documents.  You do
> > have backups, right?  Ideally you can do your testing on a separate
> > machine from your main work machine, so if something goes wrong you
> > will not interfere with your other work.
> >
> > The above are all sensible precautions when testing any pre-release
> > software product.
> >
> > If you are ready to test, you can download the latest developer
> > snapshot build from this page:
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
> >
> > We could use help verifying the install in all real-world scenarios,
> > on clean OS installs, as upgrades to previous versions of OOo and as
> > installs on machines where LibreOffice or Symphony are already
> > installed.
>
> Installed on Ubuntu 11.04 alongside LibO 3.5 (64bit), OpenJDK 1.6 - no
> problems.
>
> Installed a few extensions - mixed results
> - Report Builder - install good, a couple of quick reports, good.
>

I installed it to the ooo-dev r1291124 successfully on XP.  But today when
I try to install into r1293550, there always be a message "Could not create
java implementation loader", I tried on XP, win7 64-bit and Ubuntu, by
using the build which provides full normal install sets...

In IP_clearance page (
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/IP_Clearance) I notice
that several libararies are removed which are used by report builder
extension, should this extension still be usable without those libararies?
What's the impact of the removing?

- a couple of addon, custom spell checkers - all good
> - PostgreSQL SDB extension - failure to load, missing file.
> - Template Changer - hangs AOO during install (twice)
> - MySQL - no reason to try (that is a huge hit guys)
>
> Will go ahead and do this all on Vista (32Bit) w/ existing 3.3 later
> today.
>
> So - looking at the test page I guess the Bases test are mine to
> add..and I'll start when I have the Vista VM running.. :-/ how ironic
> for that to be the case today.. (sorry comment not likely to be
> understood by many here, but a few may)
>
> Otherwise - I suppose bugzilla will also be in order here and there.
>
> Good job by the way...
>
> //drew
>
>
>
> >
> > Once you have installed, launch OpenOffice and look at the Help/About
> > box.  If the revision shown there matches the build you installed
> > (e..g, "r1293550") then the install was a success. Please send a short
> > note to the ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org telling us what platform and
> > scenario you installed (fresh install, upgrade, install next to
> > LibreOffice, etc.).  This will help us understand what scenarios have
> > already been attempted and which have not.
> >
> > After you have installed, there are three approaches to testing, of
> > increasing degrees of formality:
> >
> > 1) Just use the dev snapshot for your ordinary work, doing your
> > ordinary tasks.  When you observe a bug, submit a report on this to
> > Bugzilla.
> >
> > 2) Self-directed testing.  Pick an area of the product that you
> > understand well, like printing or text formatting, or slide show
> > transitions.  Spend an hour or two trying to exercise that feature in
> > all its variations.  If there is a dialog box, try manipulating all of
> > its values.  If it is a formatting option, create a document that uses
> > all variations.   Try to break it.  Try to think like a bug.
> >
> > A special area that could use attention is version compatibility.
> > Take all of your OpenOffice.org 3.3 documents and open them up on AOO
> > 3.4.  Any errors?  Formatting issues?  Crashes? Missing data?   Ditto
> > for opening Microsoft Office documents.  Are there any regressions,
> > e.g., things that worked in 3.3 but now break in 3.4?  Try it in the
> > other direction as well.  If you create a document in AOO 3.4, can it
> > be read correctly in OOo 3.3?  Did we do anything that breaks
> > backwards compatibility?
> >
> > Another special area is to verify the translations.  Install a
> > multi-language install or a language pack and check the translation
> > for completeness and accuracy.  If it looks good, please send a note
> > to the list, so we know it has already been verified. If there are
> > bugs, please enter

Re: Success installing AOO on Windows 7

For Windows 7, the file from here worked for me (all menus & toolbars
ok, including in Writer), when another one did not show menus &
toolbars in Writer:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots

--Jean

2012/3/1 YangTerry :
>
> I use OOO dev snapshot which product ID is OOo-Dev.
> http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-Rev.1293550/win32/OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe
>
> Thanks,
> Wei
>
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:17:17 +0800
>> Subject: Re: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
>> From: louqin...@gmail.com
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> On 1 March 2012 10:10, YangTerry  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Failed to send with screenshot.
>> >
>> > This issue repro only in Writer editor. Other editor are fine.
>> > And the build number is 1293550.
>> >
>>
>> There are two r1293550 builds, which one are you using? I just clean
>> installed the one provides full normal install sets, it works fine.
>>
>>
>> > > From: polo8...@hotmail.com
>> > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: RE: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
>> > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:06:33 +0800
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > > There is an issue at my side, After installed AOO 3.4 at my Win7 64bit
>> > machine, check with all editor there is blank menu and toolbar in the UI.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > But other editor is fine, Is there anyone can confirm this issue on Win7
>> > 64bit machine?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Terry
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:49:09 +1000
>> > > > Subject: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
>> > > > From: jeanwe...@gmail.com
>> > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> > > >
>> > > > AFAIK this Windows 7 machine has all Win7 updates installed. It has
>> > > > OOo 3.3 and LO3.4 on it. I removed a previous ooo-dev (3.2!) following
>> > > > instructions Rory pointed me to. When I got the most up to date
>> > > > Windows installation file for AOO (from the cwiki page), it installed
>> > > > with no problem and appears to be working and has all the menus and
>> > > > toolbars. I'll test it more later when actually doing things.
>> > > >
>> > > > The only thing I noticed was that the splash screen on startup came
>> > > > up, disappeared, and then came up again, before the program actually
>> > > > started for the first time. This has not occurred on startup since
>> > > > then.
>> > > >
>> > > > --Jean
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>

RE: Success installing AOO on Windows 7

2012-02-29 Thread YangTerry


I use OOO dev snapshot which product ID is OOo-Dev.
http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-Rev.1293550/win32/OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe

Thanks,
Wei

> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:17:17 +0800
> Subject: Re: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> From: louqin...@gmail.com
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> 
> On 1 March 2012 10:10, YangTerry  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Failed to send with screenshot.
> >
> > This issue repro only in Writer editor. Other editor are fine.
> > And the build number is 1293550.
> >
> 
> There are two r1293550 builds, which one are you using? I just clean
> installed the one provides full normal install sets, it works fine.
> 
> 
> > > From: polo8...@hotmail.com
> > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:06:33 +0800
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > There is an issue at my side, After installed AOO 3.4 at my Win7 64bit
> > machine, check with all editor there is blank menu and toolbar in the UI.
> > >
> > >
> > > But other editor is fine, Is there anyone can confirm this issue on Win7
> > 64bit machine?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:49:09 +1000
> > > > Subject: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> > > > From: jeanwe...@gmail.com
> > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK this Windows 7 machine has all Win7 updates installed. It has
> > > > OOo 3.3 and LO3.4 on it. I removed a previous ooo-dev (3.2!) following
> > > > instructions Rory pointed me to. When I got the most up to date
> > > > Windows installation file for AOO (from the cwiki page), it installed
> > > > with no problem and appears to be working and has all the menus and
> > > > toolbars. I'll test it more later when actually doing things.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I noticed was that the splash screen on startup came
> > > > up, disappeared, and then came up again, before the program actually
> > > > started for the first time. This has not occurred on startup since
> > > > then.
> > > >
> > > > --Jean
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Success installing AOO on Windows 7

2012-02-29 Thread lou ql

On 1 March 2012 10:10, YangTerry  wrote:

>
> Failed to send with screenshot.
>
> This issue repro only in Writer editor. Other editor are fine.
> And the build number is 1293550.
>

There are two r1293550 builds, which one are you using? I just clean
installed the one provides full normal install sets, it works fine.


> > From: polo8...@hotmail.com
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:06:33 +0800
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> > There is an issue at my side, After installed AOO 3.4 at my Win7 64bit
> machine, check with all editor there is blank menu and toolbar in the UI.
> >
> >
> > But other editor is fine, Is there anyone can confirm this issue on Win7
> 64bit machine?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Terry
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:49:09 +1000
> > > Subject: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> > > From: jeanwe...@gmail.com
> > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > > AFAIK this Windows 7 machine has all Win7 updates installed. It has
> > > OOo 3.3 and LO3.4 on it. I removed a previous ooo-dev (3.2!) following
> > > instructions Rory pointed me to. When I got the most up to date
> > > Windows installation file for AOO (from the cwiki page), it installed
> > > with no problem and appears to be working and has all the menus and
> > > toolbars. I'll test it more later when actually doing things.
> > >
> > > The only thing I noticed was that the splash screen on startup came
> > > up, disappeared, and then came up again, before the program actually
> > > started for the first time. This has not occurred on startup since
> > > then.
> > >
> > > --Jean
> >
> >
>
>

R: Industrial images ?

Nevermind.. thanks to Ricardo for pointing out these
work.

--- Mer 29/2/12, Pedro Giffuni  ha scritto:

> Da: Pedro Giffuni 
> Oggetto: Industrial images ?
> A: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Data: Mercoledì 29 febbraio 2012, 16:41
> FWIW,
> 
> I noticed this in my build:
> ...
> packimages: WARNING skipping non-existing directory:
> '../unxfbsdx.pro/misc/industrial'
> ...
> 
> 
> Anyone knows if we are using them or not? If we are not
> using them it sounds like a good time to put them back
> in.
> 
> Pedro.
> 
>

RE: Success installing AOO on Windows 7

2012-02-29 Thread YangTerry


Failed to send with screenshot.

This issue repro only in Writer editor. Other editor are fine.
And the build number is 1293550.

> From: polo8...@hotmail.com
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:06:33 +0800
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> There is an issue at my side, After installed AOO 3.4 at my Win7 64bit 
> machine, check with all editor there is blank menu and toolbar in the UI.
> 
> 
> But other editor is fine, Is there anyone can confirm this issue on Win7 
> 64bit machine?
> 
> Thanks,
> Terry
> 
> > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:49:09 +1000
> > Subject: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> > From: jeanwe...@gmail.com
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > 
> > AFAIK this Windows 7 machine has all Win7 updates installed. It has
> > OOo 3.3 and LO3.4 on it. I removed a previous ooo-dev (3.2!) following
> > instructions Rory pointed me to. When I got the most up to date
> > Windows installation file for AOO (from the cwiki page), it installed
> > with no problem and appears to be working and has all the menus and
> > toolbars. I'll test it more later when actually doing things.
> > 
> > The only thing I noticed was that the splash screen on startup came
> > up, disappeared, and then came up again, before the program actually
> > started for the first time. This has not occurred on startup since
> > then.
> > 
> > --Jean
> 
>

RE: Success installing AOO on Windows 7

2012-02-29 Thread YangTerry





Hi all,
There is an issue at my side, After installed AOO 3.4 at my Win7 64bit machine, 
check with all editor there is blank menu and toolbar in the UI.


But other editor is fine, Is there anyone can confirm this issue on Win7 64bit 
machine?

Thanks,
Terry

> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:49:09 +1000
> Subject: Success installing AOO on Windows 7
> From: jeanwe...@gmail.com
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> 
> AFAIK this Windows 7 machine has all Win7 updates installed. It has
> OOo 3.3 and LO3.4 on it. I removed a previous ooo-dev (3.2!) following
> instructions Rory pointed me to. When I got the most up to date
> Windows installation file for AOO (from the cwiki page), it installed
> with no problem and appears to be working and has all the menus and
> toolbars. I'll test it more later when actually doing things.
> 
> The only thing I noticed was that the splash screen on startup came
> up, disappeared, and then came up again, before the program actually
> started for the first time. This has not occurred on startup since
> then.
> 
> --Jean

Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test

2012-02-29 Thread NoOp

On 02/29/2012 06:18 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> As we approach the first Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice 3.4,
> it would be wonderful if we could have some more volunteers testing
> the latest dev snapshots builds. Following is some information on what
> this requires, and how you can help.
> 
> First, if you have never tested a pre-release product before, know
> that bugs are expected. That is the purpose of testing, to find bugs
> so they can be fixed. Bugs could range from UI glitches, to incorrect
> formatting to crashes or even data corruption.  So you probably don't
> want to use a test build for mission-critical tasks. Of course, I
> assume you have already backed up your important documents.  You do
> have backups, right?  Ideally you can do your testing on a separate
> machine from your main work machine, so if something goes wrong you
> will not interfere with your other work.
> 
> The above are all sensible precautions when testing any pre-release
> software product.
> 
> If you are ready to test, you can download the latest developer
> snapshot build from this page:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
...
Repeat of the question that I asked on the users list:

...
Which version are you looking for feedback/testing on?

http://people.apache.org/~arielch/packages/r1293550/linux_x86/OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
or
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/packages/r1293550/linux_x86/OOo_3.4.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz

I see the "The r* links provides full normal install sets instead of
development builds to test upgrades and system integration." However I
suspect that some will download one, and some will download the other.
So I think it helpful if you clarify as to which one you want
feedback/testing on - particularly since they are ~138MB each.

Just to add to that:

$ md5sum OOo_3.4.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
421f9ea3b95217a15bae9bbb7ccaa4a7
OOo_3.4.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
Size: 144872066
Help|About OpenOffice.org - identifies as:
OpenOffice.org 3.4.0
OOO340m1 (Build:9586)
2012-02-27 07:43:04 (Mon, 27 Feb 2012) - Rev. 1293550
Installs in: /opt/openoffice.org3/

This of course creates the issue of the RC installing over any
pre-exisiting 3.2.x version already installed in /opt/openoffice.org3/
and /opt/openoffice.org/. Testers should be warned of this as the "test"
version is likely to overwrite any stable installation they may already
have.

$ md5sum OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
d194d29cc03f238a6572601f757c6407
OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
Size: 144375254
Help|About OOo-dev - identifies as:
OpenOffice.org 3.4.0
OOO340m1 (Build:9586)
2012-02-27 07:43:04 (Mon, 27 Feb 2012) - Rev. 1293550
Installs in: /opt/ooo-dev3/

This of course creates the issue of the RC installing over any
pre-exisiting 3.2.x dev version already installed in /opt/ooo-dev3/ and
/opt/ooo-dev/. Testers should be warned of this as the "test" version is
likely to overwrite any stable installation they may already have.

So they are different files (size & md5sum), but they both identify as
the exact same build on the Help|About screen. Which means that
'testers' will be reporting that they have the same versions installed
regardless of which one they actually downloaded and installed. The only
difference in the versionrc files are the UpdateID's (respectively):
UpdateID=OpenOffice.org_3_en-US
UpdateID=OOo-dev_3_en-US

Anyway; installed all 4 (32bit + 64bit) debian versions on Ubuntu 11.04
& 10.10. Modified the bootstraprc's on the non-dev versions to create
different profiles than any existing ~/.openoffice.org profiles
(UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.openoffice.org/3 changed to
UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.openoffice.org3.4/3).
  Note: the bootstraprc should probably be changed to something similar
(perhaps UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.apacheopenoffice3.4) so that
any AOO installs do not interfere with any already installed OOo
versions. Not doing so will cause the "RC" test version (in this case
the '3.4.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz' version) to install it's
profile in/over any exisiting ~/.openoffice.org/3 profile on the system
& tend to piss off users that may have highly customised
~/.openoffice.org profiles.

Re: Saved template does not appear in list of templates - OK now!

Well, either I made a mistake earlier or something's been fixed
between the build where the problem described below occurred and the
latest build, but all worked as it should when I just tried it again.
Both Mac and Win7.

Sorry for wasting your time.

Cheers, Jean


On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:21, Jean Weber  wrote:
> I have not attempted to search Bugzilla to see if a bug report exists
> for this problem. If this is not a known bug, I will attempt to test
> on Windows and Ubuntu as well as on Mac and file a bug report. But if
> someone says "oh yes, we know all about that!" and can point me to the
> bug report, I'll just add a bit to it.
>
> Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3, AOO build r1293550.
> I opened an existing template (File > Templates > Edit), modified it,
> and saved it (File > Templates > Save).
> 1) If I go to File > Templates > Organize, the new template does not
> appear in the list in the Template Management dialog.
> 2) If I go to File > New > Templates and Documents, the new template
> does not appear in the list in the Templates and Documents - My
> Templates dialog.
> 3) If I go to File > Templates > Edit, the new template does appear in
> the list in the Open dialog.
> 4) If I use Template Changer, the new template does appear in the list
> that TC finds (Select Template dialog, essentially the same as the
> Open dialog).
>
> If I save the template elsewhere on my computer, I can use Import to
> bring it into My Templates, where cases 1) and 2) above will find it.
> However, cases 3) and 4) now find *two* copies of the template.
>
> --Jean

Ubuntu 11.10 32-bit -- full install

I installed the r1293550 en-US DEBs with system integration.

sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb

No errors.

sudo dpkg -i ./desktop-integration/*.deb

Here I get some errors:

dpkg: error processing
./desktop-integration/openoffice.org3.4-debian-menus_3.4-9586_all.deb
(--install):
 trying to overwrite '/usr/share/mime/packages/openoffice.org.xml',
which is also in package libreoffice-common 1:3.4.4-0ubuntu1
dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache
gtk-update-icon-cache: Cache file created successfully.
/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache
gtk-update-icon-cache: Cache file created successfully.
Processing triggers for shared-mime-info ...
Unknown media type in type 'all/all'
Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles'
Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms'
Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst'
Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu'
Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm'
Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt'
Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu'
Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin'
Errors were encountered while processing:
 ./desktop-integration/openoffice.org3.4-debian-menus_3.4-9586_all.deb

No icons were set up for AOO that I could find.  But going to
/opt/openoffice.org 3/program/ I could launch soffice and the
individual applications.  Menus are there.  It looks fine.  It seems a
bit faster than previous version.

Spell checker (en-US) not installed?

-Rob

Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test

2012-02-29 Thread Kay Schenk

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> As we approach the first Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice 3.4,
> it would be wonderful if we could have some more volunteers testing
> the latest dev snapshots builds. Following is some information on what
> this requires, and how you can help.
>
> First, if you have never tested a pre-release product before, know
> that bugs are expected. That is the purpose of testing, to find bugs
> so they can be fixed. Bugs could range from UI glitches, to incorrect
> formatting to crashes or even data corruption.  So you probably don't
> want to use a test build for mission-critical tasks. Of course, I
> assume you have already backed up your important documents.  You do
> have backups, right?  Ideally you can do your testing on a separate
> machine from your main work machine, so if something goes wrong you
> will not interfere with your other work.
>
> The above are all sensible precautions when testing any pre-release
> software product.
>
> If you are ready to test, you can download the latest developer
> snapshot build from this page:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
>
> We could use help verifying the install in all real-world scenarios,
> on clean OS installs, as upgrades to previous versions of OOo and as
> installs on machines where LibreOffice or Symphony are already
> installed.
>
> Once you have installed, launch OpenOffice and look at the Help/About
> box.  If the revision shown there matches the build you installed
> (e..g, "r1293550") then the install was a success. Please send a short
> note to the ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org telling us what platform and
> scenario you installed (fresh install, upgrade, install next to
> LibreOffice, etc.).  This will help us understand what scenarios have
> already been attempted and which have not.
>
> After you have installed, there are three approaches to testing, of
> increasing degrees of formality:
>
> 1) Just use the dev snapshot for your ordinary work, doing your
> ordinary tasks.  When you observe a bug, submit a report on this to
> Bugzilla.
>
> 2) Self-directed testing.  Pick an area of the product that you
> understand well, like printing or text formatting, or slide show
> transitions.  Spend an hour or two trying to exercise that feature in
> all its variations.  If there is a dialog box, try manipulating all of
> its values.  If it is a formatting option, create a document that uses
> all variations.   Try to break it.  Try to think like a bug.
>
> A special area that could use attention is version compatibility.
> Take all of your OpenOffice.org 3.3 documents and open them up on AOO
> 3.4.  Any errors?  Formatting issues?  Crashes? Missing data?   Ditto
> for opening Microsoft Office documents.  Are there any regressions,
> e.g., things that worked in 3.3 but now break in 3.4?  Try it in the
> other direction as well.  If you create a document in AOO 3.4, can it
> be read correctly in OOo 3.3?  Did we do anything that breaks
> backwards compatibility?
>
> Another special area is to verify the translations.  Install a
> multi-language install or a language pack and check the translation
> for completeness and accuracy.  If it looks good, please send a note
> to the list, so we know it has already been verified. If there are
> bugs, please enter into Bugzilla.
>
> 3) Cover test cases from the test plan
>
> A 3.4 test plan is on the wiki here:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestCases/
>
> Results are here:  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestResults
>
> Look for an area that has not been tested, test it, and upload your
> results.
>
> In all cases, if you find bugs, report them in Bugzilla:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
>
> We can also use help re-testing bugs that have been marked as fixed,
> and confirming/reproducing newly reported bugs.  If you want to help
> in Bugzilla, sign up for an account and respond to this note and ask
> for your ID to be put in the  "qa-team" group, so you will have
> expanded permissions to edit issues.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>

Installed the 32-bit Linux last week and all good!

-- 

MzK

"Follow your bliss."
 -- attributed to Joseph Campbell

Saved template does not appear in list of templates

I have not attempted to search Bugzilla to see if a bug report exists
for this problem. If this is not a known bug, I will attempt to test
on Windows and Ubuntu as well as on Mac and file a bug report. But if
someone says "oh yes, we know all about that!" and can point me to the
bug report, I'll just add a bit to it.

Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3, AOO build r1293550.
I opened an existing template (File > Templates > Edit), modified it,
and saved it (File > Templates > Save).
1) If I go to File > Templates > Organize, the new template does not
appear in the list in the Template Management dialog.
2) If I go to File > New > Templates and Documents, the new template
does not appear in the list in the Templates and Documents - My
Templates dialog.
3) If I go to File > Templates > Edit, the new template does appear in
the list in the Open dialog.
4) If I use Template Changer, the new template does appear in the list
that TC finds (Select Template dialog, essentially the same as the
Open dialog).

If I save the template elsewhere on my computer, I can use Import to
bring it into My Templates, where cases 1) and 2) above will find it.
However, cases 3) and 4) now find *two* copies of the template.

--Jean

Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test

2012-02-29 Thread RGB ES

2012/3/1 Pedro Giffuni :
> Hi;
>
> On 02/29/12 18:12, RGB ES wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> On Linux 64 bits, loaded a ~150 page Writer document with ~50
>> pictures, 40 of them captioned, ~100 Math objects, all with Linux
>> Libertine G and Linux Biolinum G fonts with lots of Graphite font
>> features enabled. No problem.
>>
>> Then opened a 3 MiB, 320 page Writer document with ~80 captioned
>> pictures, tons of cross references, smart font features enabled, five
>> page styles... no problem!
>>
>> Looking at the Spanish translation, the new strings are not translated
>> ("Math baseline alignment", the new ColorPicker...) but that's
>> obvious. I can see the following problem (already mentioned on another
>> thread):
>>
>> It seems there is a naming problem on the icon sets for Spanish
>> localization, were I have
>>
>> Galaxia
>> Alto contraste
>> Industrial
>> Cristal< The problem
>> Tango
>>
>> If I switch to English UI, I have
>>
>> Galaxy
>> High Contrast
>> Industrial
>> Tango
>> Classic
>>
>> On the Spanish localization, "Cristal" displays Tango icons while
>> "Tango" displays Classic icons.
>
>
> Using OpenGrok I couldn't find "Cristal" anywhere. If your can
> find it anywhere it's just a matter of removing it ;-).
>
> Can you please confirm if the industrial icons work?
>
> Pedro.
>

No problem with Industrial, Hight Contrast nor Galaxy.

Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test


Hi;

On 02/29/12 18:12, RGB ES wrote:

...
On Linux 64 bits, loaded a ~150 page Writer document with ~50
pictures, 40 of them captioned, ~100 Math objects, all with Linux
Libertine G and Linux Biolinum G fonts with lots of Graphite font
features enabled. No problem.

Then opened a 3 MiB, 320 page Writer document with ~80 captioned
pictures, tons of cross references, smart font features enabled, five
page styles... no problem!

Looking at the Spanish translation, the new strings are not translated
("Math baseline alignment", the new ColorPicker...) but that's
obvious. I can see the following problem (already mentioned on another
thread):

It seems there is a naming problem on the icon sets for Spanish
localization, were I have

Galaxia
Alto contraste
Industrial
Cristal< The problem
Tango

If I switch to English UI, I have

Galaxy
High Contrast
Industrial
Tango
Classic

On the Spanish localization, "Cristal" displays Tango icons while
"Tango" displays Classic icons.


Using OpenGrok I couldn't find "Cristal" anywhere. If your can
find it anywhere it's just a matter of removing it ;-).

Can you please confirm if the industrial icons work?

Pedro.

Success installing on Mac OS X Lion

This Mac has OS X Lion 10.7.3 installed. It has LO3.4 and LO3.5
installed on it, but no legacy version of OOo.

Installation proceeded with no problem, and the program appears to work.

I have found one problem so far, when working with templates. I'll
write that up in a separate thread.

--Jean

Success installing AOO on Windows 7

AFAIK this Windows 7 machine has all Win7 updates installed. It has
OOo 3.3 and LO3.4 on it. I removed a previous ooo-dev (3.2!) following
instructions Rory pointed me to. When I got the most up to date
Windows installation file for AOO (from the cwiki page), it installed
with no problem and appears to be working and has all the menus and
toolbars. I'll test it more later when actually doing things.

The only thing I noticed was that the splash screen on startup came
up, disappeared, and then came up again, before the program actually
started for the first time. This has not occurred on startup since
then.

--Jean

Re: Error installing AOO on Windows 7

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 21:19, Jean Weber  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 21:14, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:58:38 +1000
>> Jean Weber  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 19:42, Rory O'Farrell 
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:40:12 +
>>> > Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:37:02 +1000
>>> >> Jean Weber  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on
>>> >> > Windows 7, I get the following error:
>>> >> > "Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3."
>>> >> > This is at the step when the installer is calculating space
>>> >> > requirements.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This happened with the previous build, too.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jean
>>> >>
>>> >> This thread offers a solution
>>> >> user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?
>>> >> f=15&t=48165&p=221491
>>>
>>>
>>> That worked. Many thanks.
>>>
>>> However, I now have the dreaded missing menus and toolbars in
>>> Writer! I'll look for that thread, which I didn't pay any
>>> attention to earlier, and see if it contains a solution for me.
>>
>> Version r1293550 on
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
>> cures that problem.
>
> Thanks! I'll download that tomorrow morning when speeds are better on
> my network.


That worked. Now to try it out with some of the legacy OOo user guide chapters.

--Jean

Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test

2012-02-29 Thread RGB ES

2012/2/29 Rob Weir :
> As we approach the first Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice 3.4,
> it would be wonderful if we could have some more volunteers testing
> the latest dev snapshots builds. Following is some information on what
> this requires, and how you can help.
>
> First, if you have never tested a pre-release product before, know
> that bugs are expected. That is the purpose of testing, to find bugs
> so they can be fixed. Bugs could range from UI glitches, to incorrect
> formatting to crashes or even data corruption.  So you probably don't
> want to use a test build for mission-critical tasks. Of course, I
> assume you have already backed up your important documents.  You do
> have backups, right?  Ideally you can do your testing on a separate
> machine from your main work machine, so if something goes wrong you
> will not interfere with your other work.
>
> The above are all sensible precautions when testing any pre-release
> software product.
>
> If you are ready to test, you can download the latest developer
> snapshot build from this page:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
>
> We could use help verifying the install in all real-world scenarios,
> on clean OS installs, as upgrades to previous versions of OOo and as
> installs on machines where LibreOffice or Symphony are already
> installed.
>
> Once you have installed, launch OpenOffice and look at the Help/About
> box.  If the revision shown there matches the build you installed
> (e..g, "r1293550") then the install was a success. Please send a short
> note to the ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org telling us what platform and
> scenario you installed (fresh install, upgrade, install next to
> LibreOffice, etc.).  This will help us understand what scenarios have
> already been attempted and which have not.
>
> After you have installed, there are three approaches to testing, of
> increasing degrees of formality:
>
> 1) Just use the dev snapshot for your ordinary work, doing your
> ordinary tasks.  When you observe a bug, submit a report on this to
> Bugzilla.
>
> 2) Self-directed testing.  Pick an area of the product that you
> understand well, like printing or text formatting, or slide show
> transitions.  Spend an hour or two trying to exercise that feature in
> all its variations.  If there is a dialog box, try manipulating all of
> its values.  If it is a formatting option, create a document that uses
> all variations.   Try to break it.  Try to think like a bug.
>
> A special area that could use attention is version compatibility.
> Take all of your OpenOffice.org 3.3 documents and open them up on AOO
> 3.4.  Any errors?  Formatting issues?  Crashes? Missing data?   Ditto
> for opening Microsoft Office documents.  Are there any regressions,
> e.g., things that worked in 3.3 but now break in 3.4?  Try it in the
> other direction as well.  If you create a document in AOO 3.4, can it
> be read correctly in OOo 3.3?  Did we do anything that breaks
> backwards compatibility?
>
> Another special area is to verify the translations.  Install a
> multi-language install or a language pack and check the translation
> for completeness and accuracy.  If it looks good, please send a note
> to the list, so we know it has already been verified. If there are
> bugs, please enter into Bugzilla.
>
> 3) Cover test cases from the test plan
>
> A 3.4 test plan is on the wiki here:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestCases/
>
> Results are here:  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestResults
>
> Look for an area that has not been tested, test it, and upload your results.
>
> In all cases, if you find bugs, report them in Bugzilla:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
>
> We can also use help re-testing bugs that have been marked as fixed,
> and confirming/reproducing newly reported bugs.  If you want to help
> in Bugzilla, sign up for an account and respond to this note and ask
> for your ID to be put in the  "qa-team" group, so you will have
> expanded permissions to edit issues.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob

On Linux 64 bits, loaded a ~150 page Writer document with ~50
pictures, 40 of them captioned, ~100 Math objects, all with Linux
Libertine G and Linux Biolinum G fonts with lots of Graphite font
features enabled. No problem.

Then opened a 3 MiB, 320 page Writer document with ~80 captioned
pictures, tons of cross references, smart font features enabled, five
page styles... no problem!

Looking at the Spanish translation, the new strings are not translated
("Math baseline alignment", the new ColorPicker...) but that's
obvious. I can see the following problem (already mentioned on another
thread):

It seems there is a naming problem on the icon sets for Spanish
localization, were I have

Galaxia
Alto contraste
Industrial
Cristal  < The problem
Tango

If I switch to English UI, I have

Galaxy
High Contrast
Industrial
Tango
Classic

On the Spanish localization, "Cristal" displays

Re: [CODE]: changed about box

2012-02-29 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 02/29/2012 03:32 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

Hi,

i have changed the about dialog box a little bit and would like to get
your feedback.

I added a new key in the version.ini/versionrc

Revision=

But after some experimenting I don't use this key right now but left it
in the version file for further references to the underlying revision.

I changed the value of buildid in the version file to

e.g. versionrc
###
buildid=340dev1 (Revision:1294675)
# instead of
buildid=340dev1(Build:9586)
###


If the space is a real problem, then simple avoid it. I don't see any 
problems from the usability point of view.



The minor.mk includes
###
RSCVERSION=340
RSCREVISION=340dev1(Build:9586)
BUILD=9586
LAST_MINOR=dev1
SOURCEVERSION=AOO340
###

I haven't yet understand completely where the values are used and
decided to adapt the replacement in scriptitems.pm for now.

Ariel mentioned already some problems on windows if we simply change the
4 digit buildid to the svn revision.

In the end I modified my --with-build-version switch and drop the
revision from here. I like the date and time in the about box. As we
have seen earlier today with the windows dev snapshot it can be very
useful to check easy and fast if the correct build were used.


+1


Ok I also changed the background color of this text field because it
looked strange before (at least on MacOS).

The result on MacOS can you review here
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/about_dialog.png


I agree with Andrea, indeed a nice work that should become reality.

And to make the text parts copy & paste able would be really helpful.


More rework on the about box will be done for future versions. But for a
3.4 I think it should be ok now.


Right.


Any opinions?


OOo 3.3 doesn't seem to have a hint to the used license. Neither in the 
About dialog nor in the help. So, a hint of the used license would be 
good and IMHO a perfect place there. Example:


"Apache OpenOffice is provided under the [Apache License, Version 2.0  | 
http://www.apache.org/licenses/] (ALv2)."



Ciao

Marcus

Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> In any case, I don't see any good reason to hold back Pootle access
>> from those who want to start this work now.
>
>
> Last time I checked, https://translate.apache.org/ (which, if I got it
> right, is the candidate Pootle server) only allowed committers to login.
> This might be OK in the long run, but it could be a chicken-and-egg problem
> for the time being, meaning that people who only help with translations
> couldn't make enough contributions so far to be voted in as committers.
> Workarounds are possible, anyway: for example, PO files can be downloaded,
> translated offline and then attached to an issue.
>

According to this page, all users, even if not logged in, can enter
translation "suggestions":

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/translate+pootle+service+auth+levels

These suggestions then can be accepted by a committer.

That helps a little, but it raises other issues. For example, if a
user is not logged in, then how do I know who gets credit for the
translation?

-Rob

> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle?

2012-02-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti


Rob Weir wrote:

In any case, I don't see any good reason to hold back Pootle access
from those who want to start this work now.


Last time I checked, https://translate.apache.org/ (which, if I got it 
right, is the candidate Pootle server) only allowed committers to login. 
This might be OK in the long run, but it could be a chicken-and-egg 
problem for the time being, meaning that people who only help with 
translations couldn't make enough contributions so far to be voted in as 
committers. Workarounds are possible, anyway: for example, PO files can 
be downloaded, translated offline and then attached to an issue.


Regards,
  Andrea.

[BUILD] Linux32 just about there - HELP

2012-02-29 Thread Andrew Rist


anyone?

http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/buildlogs/linux32/log/unxlngi6.pro.build.html

with some of the error here: 
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/buildlogs/linux32/main/instsetoo_native/unxlngi6.pro/misc/logs/util.txt

Re: [CODE]: changed about box

2012-02-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti


Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

The result on MacOS can you review here
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/about_dialog.png ...
Any opinions?


Nice work! But if while at it you can make it possible to copy the 
version identifier, this would help in QA. Of course, I have no idea 
whether this is a minor fix or a complex one.


Seems like fixing this would settle
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=11465
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84245
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=111425
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112590
(the third one apparently has a patch)

Regards,
  Andrea.

Industrial images ?


FWIW,

I noticed this in my build:
...
packimages: WARNING skipping non-existing directory: 
'../unxfbsdx.pro/misc/industrial'

...


Anyone knows if we are using them or not? If we are not
using them it sounds like a good time to put them back
in.

Pedro.

Re: building with system zlib: shell requires unzip.h

2012-02-29 Thread Yuri Dario

Hi Pedro,

> No, I don't have that:

so I need to check why zipfile.hxx is included in my build.

thanks! 


-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

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Re: building with system zlib: shell requires unzip.h


On 02/29/12 15:49, Yuri Dario wrote:

Hi Pedro,



We use system-zlib in FreeBSD and it works. I can't find any
unzip.h though.

can you check if your solver tree has inc/external/zlib/*.h? here 4
files are listed.


No, I don't have that:

[pedro@pcbsd-8714] 
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/solver/340/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/external> 
ls

build.lst   icc jpeglucene  odbcunicode
deliver.log icu layout  mingw   sanexmlsec

I am still rebuilding the latest SVN revision though.

cheers,

Pedro

Localization process (Re: [RELEASE]: preparation for our first release)

2012-02-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti


On 27/02/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 27/02/2012 Andre Fischer wrote:

It would help me, for example, if you could describe the localization
from you POV, like how you down- and later upload data from/to the
pootle server. When do you start translation, how do you signal that you
have finished translating and the uploaded data is ready for integration?


This is easy and I can answer it too: Sun/Oracle used to prepare the
data from the sources and uploaded them to a Pootle server; then
translation teams would operate on the PO files (online or offline)
before an announced "translation deadline"; at that point, control was
back in the hands of Sun/Oracle: they used data from the PO files to
repopulate the SDF files used in the source. But this probably adds
nothing to what you already know: in other words, the code<->Pootle
conversions have always been "black boxes" for translation teams.


Actually, the code<->Pootle conversions haven't always been "black 
boxes": what I wrote is true for recent years, but before that the 
translation teams delivered the sdf files directly, so we went an extra 
step, even though not directly to the source code. That process was 
managed by Paolo Pozzan, who recently joined the list, so he might 
provide some useful insights.


Paolo, 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_for_developers 
contains the information we have so far. If you know more about any of 
the steps involved, feel free to complete it.


Paolo also has Pootle backups for Italian taken in April 2011, which 
means we might compare them to Andre Fischer's files 
http://s.apache.org/5YT (thread: http://s.apache.org/k0 ) and see if 
that backup is current. Anyway, we didn't update translations after 
April 2011, so we surely have the latest data ("we" = "Italian 
translation team").


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: building with system zlib: shell requires unzip.h

2012-02-29 Thread Yuri Dario

Hi Pedro,


> We use system-zlib in FreeBSD and it works. I can't find any
> unzip.h though.

can you check if your solver tree has inc/external/zlib/*.h? here 4 
files are listed.

-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

/*
 * OS/2 open source software
 * http://web.os2power.com/yuri
 * http://www.netlabs.org
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Re: [RELEASE]: release platforms, products and languages

Am Mittwoch, 29. Februar 2012 schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile :

> Hi *,
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 06:17:08PM +0100, Reizinger Zoltán wrote:
> > If I know correctly the OOo 3.4Beta all UI strings was translated in
> > Hungarian version, when I tested it not found any problems.
> > Needs to be checked in HU version of AOO 3.4 or in langpack, that
> > the changes not caused any UI problems.
> > I try to organise the HU langpack testing, but most HU OOo project
> > went to the LibO.
> > I can test on win and linux platform.
> > Please build HU langpack, too.
>
> I've uploaded hu, ru, and zh-TW langpacks for Linux 32 and 64 bits.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots#AOO3.4UnofficialDeveloperSnapshots-langpacks
>
>
yes a good idea, I plannend it for the next builds but why not for the
current ones. I will provide them tomorrow.

Juergen

Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>

Re: OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM, TJ Frazier  wrote:
> Rob,
> Need to mention Extensions and Templates sites?
> ("under construction on a daily basis", "should be able to log in there even
> after the shutdown")

I'm sorry, I don't follow.  Are you referring to the post about the
email forwarder, or the overall migration status wiki page?

If we have any specific instructions for extension/template authors
that we want them to do now, or any special hint we want to give them,
then this note is a great place to get that out.  Or we could do that
as a 2nd announcement later.  If I understand Roberto's latest note,
they believe they can manage with the shutdown of the forwarding
service.

> /tj/
>
>
> On 2/29/2012 14:39, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>>
>>> In case you missed it on the other thread, we heard from Andrew that
>>> the remaining Oracle servers that supported the legacy OOo project
>>> will be shut down starting on March 15th. This includes the mailing
>>> list and the mail forwarder.
>>>
>>> We dealt with the mailing lists before, sending notes to the active
>>> ones that the project had moved over to Apache and gave them the new
>>> addresses.  I subscribe to many of these lists and they have been
>>> silent for months.  I moderate one and it is all spam, and has been
>>> for months.  If you are seeing any openoffice.org list that still has
>>> real traffic on it, then please speak up.  We need to identify any
>>> active remaining lists and send them the information here:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post
>>>
>>> At the same time we need to notify users that the openoffice.org email
>>> forwarding service is being retired as of March 15th.  I had already
>>> drafted a note for this, and it was previously reviewed.  I've just
>>> updated it to put in the actual shutdown date:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding
>>>
>>> If there are no objections, my plan is to:
>>>
>>> 1) Move that wiki page into a blog post, clean up for formatting and
>>> publish it
>>>
>>
>> Draft of the blog post is here now:
>>
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=retirement_of_openoffice_org_email
>>
>>
>>> 2) On Monday morning send a note out to ooo-announce, referring to
>>> that blog post for details.
>>>
>>> 3) Open a JIRA issue with Infra on a custom bounce notification
>>>
>>> I could use help with:
>>>
>>> 1) Reaching out to NL groups that might not read or understand the
>>> above announcement
>>>
>>> 2) Updating our migration status wiki page
>>>
>>> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status).
>>>  This is referred to in the post as giving "current" information, but
>>> it is no longer current.
>>>
>>> 3) Responding to questions that this note may receive on the ooo-users
>>> list.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> In case you missed it on the other thread, we heard from Andrew that
> the remaining Oracle servers that supported the legacy OOo project
> will be shut down starting on March 15th. This includes the mailing
> list and the mail forwarder.
>
> We dealt with the mailing lists before, sending notes to the active
> ones that the project had moved over to Apache and gave them the new
> addresses.  I subscribe to many of these lists and they have been
> silent for months.  I moderate one and it is all spam, and has been
> for months.  If you are seeing any openoffice.org list that still has
> real traffic on it, then please speak up.  We need to identify any
> active remaining lists and send them the information here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post
>
> At the same time we need to notify users that the openoffice.org email
> forwarding service is being retired as of March 15th.  I had already
> drafted a note for this, and it was previously reviewed.  I've just
> updated it to put in the actual shutdown date:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding
>
> If there are no objections, my plan is to:
>
> 1) Move that wiki page into a blog post, clean up for formatting and publish 
> it
>
> 2) On Monday morning send a note out to ooo-announce, referring to
> that blog post for details.
>
> 3) Open a JIRA issue with Infra on a custom bounce notification
>

Infra issues is here:  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4506

> I could use help with:
>
> 1) Reaching out to NL groups that might not read or understand the
> above announcement
>
> 2) Updating our migration status wiki page
> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status).
>  This is referred to in the post as giving "current" information, but
> it is no longer current.
>
> 3) Responding to questions that this note may receive on the ooo-users list.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob

Re: OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now

2012-02-29 Thread TJ Frazier

Rob,
Need to mention Extensions and Templates sites?
("under construction on a daily basis", "should be able to log in there
even after the shutdown")

/tj/

On 2/29/2012 14:39, Rob Weir wrote:

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

In case you missed it on the other thread, we heard from Andrew that
the remaining Oracle servers that supported the legacy OOo project
will be shut down starting on March 15th. This includes the mailing
list and the mail forwarder.

We dealt with the mailing lists before, sending notes to the active
ones that the project had moved over to Apache and gave them the new
addresses. I subscribe to many of these lists and they have been
silent for months. I moderate one and it is all spam, and has been
for months. If you are seeing any openoffice.org list that still has
real traffic on it, then please speak up. We need to identify any
active remaining lists and send them the information here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post

At the same time we need to notify users that the openoffice.org email
forwarding service is being retired as of March 15th. I had already
drafted a note for this, and it was previously reviewed. I've just
updated it to put in the actual shutdown date:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding

If there are no objections, my plan is to:

1) Move that wiki page into a blog post, clean up for formatting and publish it

Draft of the blog post is here now:

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=retirement_of_openoffice_org_email

2) On Monday morning send a note out to ooo-announce, referring to
that blog post for details.

3) Open a JIRA issue with Infra on a custom bounce notification

I could use help with:

1) Reaching out to NL groups that might not read or understand the
above announcement

2) Updating our migration status wiki page
(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status).
This is referred to in the post as giving "current" information, but
it is no longer current.

3) Responding to questions that this note may receive on the ooo-users list.

Regards,

-Rob

RE: [CONF] Apache OpenOffice Community > (Draft) Public Statement on Email Forwarding

2012-02-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

I don't want to touch the draft.

I have but one suggestion:

Move the most important and actionable information to the very top.  That is, 
background and related elaboration should follow for the curious.

I think this is also important for non-native-English recipients who attempt to 
figure out what is being asked of them.

I would start this way:

 1. Starting on March 15th, 2012, emails sent to openoffice.org email addresses 
will stop forwarding.

 2. What needs to be done (list of recommended actions as already provided)

 3. What is not effected and where to go to have further questions answered 
(find a FAQ, etc.), what to do about User IDs, list subscriptions, etc.

Then expanded with whatever content is needed for those interested in the 
overall details and context.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: conflue...@apache.org [mailto:conflue...@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:17
To: ooo-comm...@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [CONF] Apache OpenOffice Community > (Draft) Public Statement on Email 
Forwarding

Space: Apache OpenOffice Community 
(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS)
Page: (Draft) Public Statement on Email Forwarding 
(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding)


Edited by Rob Weir:
-
IF YOU HAVE AN OPENOFFCE.ORG EMAIL ADDRESS, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE 
INFORMATION IN THIS NOTE


h3. Background

As you may have heard, Oracle contributed the OpenOffice.org (OOo)  code 
to Apache in June. As part of this move, we will lose access to the servers 
that formally hosted the OpenOffice.org website and various other online 
services associated with the project.  Fortunately, the Apache OpenOffice 
project, working with the Apache Infrastructure Team, has been able to migrate 
most of these services to new servers, hosted by Apache.  This includes 
critical services like source version control, downloads, website, wiki, bug 
tracking, user forums, etc. However email forwarding service will not be among 
the services we preserve. The OpenOffice.org email forwarder will be terminated 
effective March 15th, 2012.

h3. How this will impact you

Starting on March 15th, 2012, emails sent to openoffice.org email addresses 
will stop forwarding.  Senders will receive a bounce notification pointing 
them to an OpenOffice website with more information on the termination of 
openoffice.org email forwarding.  No personal information about you will 
be shared with anyone.  If the sender already knows an alternative way to 
contact you, then they might resend their email to an alternative email 
address, or contact you via other means.   But many emails are automated, 
and there is no human at the other end to react to such bounce notices.  
In those cases you will not receive the emails and may not even know that you 
have missed an email.  So it is recommend that you not rely on senders 
reacting to the bounce notification and instead proactively reach out to 
correspondents to notify them that your email address is changing.


h3. What you should do

If you have an openoffice.org email address then you should take the following 
steps well in advance of March 15th, 2012:

* Contact those with whom you have shared your openoffice email address and let 
them know to use a different address to contact you.
* If you have subscribed to mailing lists using your openoffice.org address, 
then unsubscribe from your openoffice.org address and resubscribe with another 
address
* If you have used your openoffice.org address as a registration address for an 
online service, then log in to that account and change your address.

Some special instructions for OpenOffice-related services:

* To update the email address used with your Bugzilla account, follow the 
instructions here:  
[https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Update+OOo+Bugzilla+account+to+Apache+OpenOffice+Bugzilla]
* To update the email address used with your OpenOffice.org wiki account, 
follow these instructions:
*# Log in to the wiki:  
[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page]
*# Select the "my preferences" link at the top of the page.  You should be 
seeing the "User Profile" tab by default; if not, select that tab.
*# Change your email address, and save your change.  A large notice will 
appear, about the confirmation email.
*# You will get an email at your new address.  You must click on the 
"confirm" link to complete the change.  You should see a wiki Special 
Page, confirming that your new address is verified.
* If you are subscribed to a ezmlm mailing list, such as ooo-dev, ooo-users, or 
ooo-marketing, then you will need to unsubscribe from the list from your old 
address and resubscribe with your new address.

h3. For more information

You can read more about the current status of the migration effort on this wiki 
page:

[https://cwiki.apache.o

Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test

2012-02-29 Thread drew jensen

On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 09:18 -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
> As we approach the first Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice 3.4,
> it would be wonderful if we could have some more volunteers testing
> the latest dev snapshots builds. Following is some information on what
> this requires, and how you can help.
> 
> First, if you have never tested a pre-release product before, know
> that bugs are expected. That is the purpose of testing, to find bugs
> so they can be fixed. Bugs could range from UI glitches, to incorrect
> formatting to crashes or even data corruption.  So you probably don't
> want to use a test build for mission-critical tasks. Of course, I
> assume you have already backed up your important documents.  You do
> have backups, right?  Ideally you can do your testing on a separate
> machine from your main work machine, so if something goes wrong you
> will not interfere with your other work.
> 
> The above are all sensible precautions when testing any pre-release
> software product.
> 
> If you are ready to test, you can download the latest developer
> snapshot build from this page:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
> 
> We could use help verifying the install in all real-world scenarios,
> on clean OS installs, as upgrades to previous versions of OOo and as
> installs on machines where LibreOffice or Symphony are already
> installed.

Installed on Ubuntu 11.04 alongside LibO 3.5 (64bit), OpenJDK 1.6 - no
problems.

Installed a few extensions - mixed results 
- Report Builder - install good, a couple of quick reports, good.
- a couple of addon, custom spell checkers - all good
- PostgreSQL SDB extension - failure to load, missing file.
- Template Changer - hangs AOO during install (twice)
- MySQL - no reason to try (that is a huge hit guys)

Will go ahead and do this all on Vista (32Bit) w/ existing 3.3 later
today.

So - looking at the test page I guess the Bases test are mine to
add..and I'll start when I have the Vista VM running.. :-/ how ironic
for that to be the case today.. (sorry comment not likely to be
understood by many here, but a few may)

Otherwise - I suppose bugzilla will also be in order here and there.

Good job by the way...

//drew



> 
> Once you have installed, launch OpenOffice and look at the Help/About
> box.  If the revision shown there matches the build you installed
> (e..g, "r1293550") then the install was a success. Please send a short
> note to the ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org telling us what platform and
> scenario you installed (fresh install, upgrade, install next to
> LibreOffice, etc.).  This will help us understand what scenarios have
> already been attempted and which have not.
> 
> After you have installed, there are three approaches to testing, of
> increasing degrees of formality:
> 
> 1) Just use the dev snapshot for your ordinary work, doing your
> ordinary tasks.  When you observe a bug, submit a report on this to
> Bugzilla.
> 
> 2) Self-directed testing.  Pick an area of the product that you
> understand well, like printing or text formatting, or slide show
> transitions.  Spend an hour or two trying to exercise that feature in
> all its variations.  If there is a dialog box, try manipulating all of
> its values.  If it is a formatting option, create a document that uses
> all variations.   Try to break it.  Try to think like a bug.
> 
> A special area that could use attention is version compatibility.
> Take all of your OpenOffice.org 3.3 documents and open them up on AOO
> 3.4.  Any errors?  Formatting issues?  Crashes? Missing data?   Ditto
> for opening Microsoft Office documents.  Are there any regressions,
> e.g., things that worked in 3.3 but now break in 3.4?  Try it in the
> other direction as well.  If you create a document in AOO 3.4, can it
> be read correctly in OOo 3.3?  Did we do anything that breaks
> backwards compatibility?
> 
> Another special area is to verify the translations.  Install a
> multi-language install or a language pack and check the translation
> for completeness and accuracy.  If it looks good, please send a note
> to the list, so we know it has already been verified. If there are
> bugs, please enter into Bugzilla.
> 
> 3) Cover test cases from the test plan
> 
> A 3.4 test plan is on the wiki here:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestCases/
> 
> Results are here:  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestResults
> 
> Look for an area that has not been tested, test it, and upload your results.
> 
> In all cases, if you find bugs, report them in Bugzilla:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> 
> We can also use help re-testing bugs that have been marked as fixed,
> and confirming/reproducing newly reported bugs.  If you want to help
> in Bugzilla, sign up for an account and respond to this note and ask
> for your ID to be put in the  "qa-team" group, so you will have
> expanded permissions to edit issues.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob

Re: OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> In case you missed it on the other thread, we heard from Andrew that
> the remaining Oracle servers that supported the legacy OOo project
> will be shut down starting on March 15th. This includes the mailing
> list and the mail forwarder.
>
> We dealt with the mailing lists before, sending notes to the active
> ones that the project had moved over to Apache and gave them the new
> addresses.  I subscribe to many of these lists and they have been
> silent for months.  I moderate one and it is all spam, and has been
> for months.  If you are seeing any openoffice.org list that still has
> real traffic on it, then please speak up.  We need to identify any
> active remaining lists and send them the information here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post
>
> At the same time we need to notify users that the openoffice.org email
> forwarding service is being retired as of March 15th.  I had already
> drafted a note for this, and it was previously reviewed.  I've just
> updated it to put in the actual shutdown date:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding
>
> If there are no objections, my plan is to:
>
> 1) Move that wiki page into a blog post, clean up for formatting and publish 
> it
>

Draft of the blog post is here now:

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=retirement_of_openoffice_org_email


> 2) On Monday morning send a note out to ooo-announce, referring to
> that blog post for details.
>
> 3) Open a JIRA issue with Infra on a custom bounce notification
>
> I could use help with:
>
> 1) Reaching out to NL groups that might not read or understand the
> above announcement
>
> 2) Updating our migration status wiki page
> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status).
>  This is referred to in the post as giving "current" information, but
> it is no longer current.
>
> 3) Responding to questions that this note may receive on the ooo-users list.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob

OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding

If there are no objections, my plan is to:

1) Move that wiki page into a blog post, clean up for formatting and publish it

2) On Monday morning send a note out to ooo-announce, referring to
that blog post for details.

3) Open a JIRA issue with Infra on a custom bounce notification

I could use help with:

1) Reaching out to NL groups that might not read or understand the
above announcement

3) Responding to questions that this note may receive on the ooo-users list.

Regards,

-Rob

Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle?

2012-02-29 Thread imacat

On 2012/02/29 18:23, Jürgen Schmidt said:
> ok, let think what's possible. Do you have already build the office on
> your own and have checked the available translation?

Thank you for understanding.

Yes, I have built r1243064 on Linux.  And I have just checked
r1295183 and some of the translation are missing, especially about the
Pivot Table.

I have PO files downloaded from the previous Pootle last year, dated
2011/4/29, which contains the last of the zh-TW translation.  And I
cannot find a recent and usable en-US.sdf.  What can we do to
incorporate them into the svn sdf?

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Re: building with system zlib: shell requires unzip.h


On 02/29/12 09:53, Yuri Dario wrote:

Hello,

it seems to me that AOO cannot be built using the system zlib: the
shell/inc/internal/zipfile.hxx requires unzip.h to compile, and this
file is not shipped with zlib packages (it is in the contrib dir).

configure --with-system-zlib is a valid option, did I find a bug in
the build or I missed something else?

We use system-zlib in FreeBSD and it works. I can't find any
unzip.h though.

Pedro.

Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge

2012-02-29 Thread Roberto Galoppini

Below more details about the plan we are about to put into action.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>  below some details about how we plan to manage users' accounts.
>
> 2012/2/27 Jürgen Schmidt :
>> On 2/25/12 1:34 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We migrated the Extensions website over to sourceforge hardware.
>>> We've restored authentication with the openoffice.org accounts, make
>>> some module updates and updated the site to work with PHP 5.3.
>>>
>>> As of today, the Extensions website is available at this address
>>> located on our domain, at the following address:
>>>
>>> http://aoo-extensions.sourceforge.net.
>>>
>>> We've modified it to work under whatever domain name the community
>>> chooses, and we plan to keep the site up and running under the above
>>> domain to allow the community to provide us with feedback and to allow
>>> for time to get the final DNS setup in place. We will work with the
>>> PMCC and the Apache Infra team to point DNS to the new location as
>>> soon as we can.
>>>
>>> We are planning to get the Templates website up on sourceforge
>>> hardware one week from today.
>>>
>>> Here are some next steps to consider:
>>>
>>> 1 - Help users to switch their accounts smoothly. We can make sure
>>> that existing users can login using their openoffice.org password and
>>> automatically convert them to local users when they login, so that all
>>> users who logged in to the site before the Oracle shutdown will be
>>> preserved and will be able to see and edit their content.
>>>
>>> 2 - Help market AOO Extensions and Templates, e.g. interviewing
>>> creators and sharing the news via our media.
>>>
>>> 3 - Evaluate the upgrade of the Extensions/Templates website from
>>> Drupal 5/6 to Drupal 7, and eventually do it (long term).
>>>
>>> We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions.
>>
>>
>> thanks for the info.
>>
>> I was able to take a closer look on it in the morning. I was able to login
>> and noticed that my old @sun.com email is used.
>>
>> I tried to change it to my Apache email but it didn't worked. It seems that
>> I had to use @openoffice.org email address. How can I change it? I think we
>> will probably switch to other email addresses.
>
> Let me briefly recap how the Extensions website works, and how we
> eventually plan to change it.
>
> 1. Users logging in at openoffice.org (the vast majority) can't change
> emails nor their passwords.
> 2. Users logging in at the Extensions website (i.e. users who never
> migrated their accounts to openoffice.org, a small fraction of the
> user base) are told to convert their accounts to an openoffice.org
> accounts. They might change their emails, but only to a
> *@openoffice.org.
>
> We have already changed the misleading message requiring to migrate to
> openoffice.org, telling users instead that they won't have any problem
> when the openoffice.org authentication system will shut down. We are
> now working on:
>
> a) accept any email address (optionally we can avoid to accept
> *@openoffice.org).

All users - that means both the majority of them authenticating via
OpenOffice.org and the minority logging it at the Extensions website -
would be able to change their email addresses. We won't allow
@openoffice.org addresses, though.

> b) New users creating their accounts at the Extensions website.

At http://aoo-extensions.sourceforge.net/user instead of inviting
users to create @openoffice.org accounts will make possible to create
accounts at the Extensions website.

> c) Find a way to migrate users actually logging in at openoffice.org.

The plan is to transparently migrate users authenticating at
OpenOffice.org to the Extensions, by storing locally their
credentials. For the time being their email addresses will stay
@openoffice.org, but the idea is to migrate them all if we can get
their alternative emails. In fact we assume many of them won't access
the Extensions website before the Oracle authentication system will
shut down.

Last but not least, since the Extensions updates in OOo 3.3.0 are
served through the updateexte.services.openoffice.org, we would ask
you to let us manage that too, so that we can restore the Extensions
updates service.

Roberto

> Roberto
>
>
>> Anybody should be able to provide an extension independent of committer
>> status for Apache OpenOffice. Means user accounts independent from the the
>> Apache accounts.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Roberto

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Re: selling open office


On 02/29/12 11:48, Rob Weir wrote:

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:

FWIW;


On 02/29/12 07:54, Rob Weir wrote:


I don't see how this would have helped with Team OOo.  Surely, the
logo issue was only a small part of the problem, a very small part.
Even if we had a "powered by logo", there would have been the other
issues that were entirely irreconcilable with any reasonable Apache or
project trademark policy, such as the name of their organization and
the tenor of their fundraising efforts.  So not a very good example,
IMHO.

Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.


For FreeBSD we will not be rebranding so the idea will be more
in the lines of "Apache OpenOffice powered by FreeBSD" and
not the other way around.


But the question is where do we draw the line?

The question is rather for whom you are drawing the line.
I suspect LibreOffice is not interested.

A "powered by" program would be opt in so you have to
ask first who is your target for such a feature and what
advantages will they really gain from it.

I would think that only people adding value to the base AOO
may be interested. FreeBSD will certainly add value to AOO;
we are using updated versions of saxon, Apache commons,
etc, and we are using FreeBSD's native packaging, but nothing
is non-standard in the sense that we may need say we have
diverged from Apache OO.

Someone may want to rename AOO and sell it on Ebay
and we can't force them to adopt the "powered by" logo.
Some resellers may want to use the OpenOffice and/or
Apache name to help sell their product but there are
issues that we should be careful to avoid: such products
are usually plagued with spyware or adware

At this point I would think we should just limit ourselves
to warn users in some visible page that OO is free and
about the  issues people may have if they download it
from a site different from the official repository and it's
mirrors.

Perhaps in preparation for a  "powered by" logo we
should have an official site for resellers and support
companies like Team OO.

Pedro.


At one pole, I think we all agree that released versions of AOO,
approved by the PMC and made available on the Apache mirrors,are
properly called "Apache OpenOffice".

I think also, that most of us agree that exactly copies (MD5 hashes
match, etc.) of these releases may also be referred to as Apache
OpenOffice, whether distributed via other websites, on CD's, even if
offered for sale.  This doesn't mean all cases are acceptable.  If I
form a company called "OpenOffice Direct" and sell CD's of AOO from my
website and use the AOO logo, then this is a problem.

But beyond literal copies, with MD5 hashes, matches, what else can be
called "Apache OpenOffice"?

For example:

1) I recompile AOO using a better optimizing compiler and release that
on my website.  Can I call it "Apache OpenOffice"?

2) I take the AOO source, but not from a release, but just a snapshot
from the project's SVN.  I think it is good enough for a release, even
though the PMC has not yet officially declared a release.  Can I build
it and call it Apache OpenOffice?

3) I take the AOO source, from a release, but then make additional
patches in it, to fix some bugs. Maybe these patches are also
contributed back to the AOO project.  Maybe the patches actually come
from the AOO project.  This is a common pattern for how a package
maintainer for a Linux distro might work.  Can they call such work
"Apache OpenOffice"?

4) I take the AOO source, from SVN, not from a release, and port it to
a different operating system.  My binaries were never signed off on my
the PMC.  The quality and the binaries might be different than the
quality of the PMC-approved releases. May I call my port "Apache
OpenOffice"?

5) I take the AOO binary package, as released, and don't change any of
the compiled code.  But I do modify the install program to install
additional dictionaries, language packs, extensions, etc.  The core
code is identical.  I've only changed the install.  May I call this
"Apache OpenOffice"?

6) I take the AOO binary package and do not change it at all.  But I
write my own installer that invokes the AOO installer to install AOO,
and then installs additional dictionaries, language packs, extensions,
etc.  So the AOO binary package is unchanged, MD5 hashes match, etc.
Is this called "Apache OpenOffice + Foo"?  or what do we call it?

7) I am a PC distributor and I pre-install AOO on my PC's.  I use the
officially released binary packages from Apache, install them, and
then modify some of the default user preferences.  I also include some
additional plugins that connect the user to my subscription support
site.  May I say in my advertising that my PC's "Include Apache
OpenOffice(TM)"?  May I use the logo?

It is cases like this that we need to think about and develop some
rational way of deciding:

A) What cases are always allowed?

B) What cases are a

Checking Dutch translation multi-langiage installayion

2012-02-29 Thread Dick Groskamp

I installed the multi-language installset OOo-dev 3.4 en-US de fr it es 
ja pt-BR zh-CN nl.exe   Revision 1293550


I installed it separately, besides to the "normal 3.3" with the 
setup.exe /a option


Dutch translations of installation-wizard; menu's  and Help seem to be OK.

I checked several dialogs / menu's and Helpfiles. They seem to be the 
way I left them around april 2010.

We don't have an archive since all was on the POOTLE-server when that closed

However I noticed at least one object that didn't got translated for 100%.
It is the contextmenu of the Comment  (Insert > Comment, right click) 
both in Writer and Calc.

Some items in the menu are therefore not yet translated into Dutch
and still have there English equivalent (i.e. Font , Size, Character)

I've checked those items against the latest 3.3 of Oracle and they were 
translated into Dutch there.


So that could count as a regression

It probably would be easier if we could check on POOTLE, going through 
what is there and adjusting/translating

the not translated items

--
DiGro

Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3
Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure)

Re: AOO-3.4 Test on Ubuntu 12.04 Alpha/beta

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:57:11 -0500
Wolf Halton  wrote:

> I have started a test on Ubuntu 12.04
> I am an alpha-tester for Ubuntu and usually have a VM or 3
> running with the developer's snapshot of Ubuntu.
> I put 3.4 on one of these boxes and have done manual installs
> of the pieces.
> 
> The default LibreOffice interferes with my AOO install

It was the case that the Ubuntu distro of OpenOffice.org had to
be completely removed before Oracle OpenOffice.org would run.
I'm not sure if this applies to LibreOffice, but just in case I
zapped it completely before installing Oracle OpenOffice.org on
the more recent Ubuntus.  It was also sometimes the case that the
newly installed OOOo would crash on first run, which could be
cured by deleteing the (default) User Profile.  I don't know if
any of this will be of use to you, but it may suggest a path to
follow.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell

AOO-3.4 Test on Ubuntu 12.04 Alpha/beta

2012-02-29 Thread Wolf Halton

I have started a test on Ubuntu 12.04
I am an alpha-tester for Ubuntu and usually have a VM or 3 running
with the developer's snapshot of Ubuntu.
I put 3.4 on one of these boxes and have done manual installs of the pieces.

The default LibreOffice interferes with my AOO install

Wolf

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Re: selling open office

2012-02-29 Thread Wolf Halton

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
> On 2012-02-28 12:23 PM, flamin hotdog wrote:
>>
>>
>> hi, i was wondering where you stand on people selling open office. i know
>> of somebody who is selling open office on ebay for profit.
>> thanks andy
>
>
> As other folks have commented, the Apache License is designed to be
> permissive, in that third parties may take code under that license and use
> it for all sorts of activities.  This includes selling derivative software
> products based on our Apache licensed code, as well as charging a fee for
> providing CDs, training, consulting, and other activities based on actual
> Apache software products.
>
> One of the main restrictions in the Apache License is that it does *not*
> grant rights to the trademarks - i.e. the brand names, logos, etc. -
> associated with the software products using this license.
>
> Legal issues always depend on all the details around each specific case, so
> it's very difficult to provide general advice.  But in general third parties
> can charge for providing customers with copies of Apache licensed software
> products *as long as* they don't attempt to misuse the trademarks of the
> original producer of the software product.
>
> 
> In general, lengthy discussions of cases of license or trademark abuse are
> not helpful unless a (P)PMC can define a *specific* legal question, which
> can then be brought to the appropriate officer of the ASF or ASF counsel for
> legal advice.
>
> Folks who want to learn more about the ASF's polices are strongly urged to
> read the actual license and trademark policies, along with the FAQs linked
> from their pages:
>
>  http://www.apache.org/licenses/
>  http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>
>
> - Shane
>  Apache OpenOffice mentor

So Shane,
When a 3rd-party organization wants to know how they can use the
Apache Open Office Name and trademark with their current project, they
should contact tradema...@apache.org to see what will be allowed on
the current project.  Is that right?  Each project stands on its own
merits so each project would be handled separately.  Thus, the
pre-decided answer and the faq would be that the code can be used and
modified as per the ASL and requests to use the Trademarks and Service
Marks are always handled through Trademarks@.  Is that right?
That cuts down on the jawboning about this issue, which on a public,
archived forum is itself a sort of advertising of the 3rd-party
project in question.

Wolf

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Re: selling open office

2012-02-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> But the question is where do we draw the line?

Agreed.

> At one pole, I think we all agree that released versions of AOO,
> approved by the PMC and made available on the Apache mirrors,are
> properly called "Apache OpenOffice".
>
> I think also, that most of us agree that exactly copies (MD5 hashes
> match, etc.) of these releases may also be referred to as Apache
> OpenOffice, whether distributed via other websites, on CD's, even if
> offered for sale.  This doesn't mean all cases are acceptable.  If I
> form a company called "OpenOffice Direct" and sell CD's of AOO from my
> website and use the AOO logo, then this is a problem.

Indeed.   Just to throw an example scenario out there... I could see
a case where my company (Fogbeam Labs) might want to ship a customized
Apache OpenOffice distro.  In that scenario, my current thinking would be
that it would be called something like "Fogbeam Office" and that somewhere
would live a statement like "Based on Apache OpenOffice" or "Powered By
Apache OpenOffice" etc.   Clarifying the details of that sort of situation would
be of particular interest to me.

Phil

Re: selling open office

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Raphael Bircher
 wrote:
> Am 29.02.12 17:48, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW;
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/29/12 07:54, Rob Weir wrote:

 I don't see how this would have helped with Team OOo.  Surely, the
 logo issue was only a small part of the problem, a very small part.
 Even if we had a "powered by logo", there would have been the other
 issues that were entirely irreconcilable with any reasonable Apache or
 project trademark policy, such as the name of their organization and
 the tenor of their fundraising efforts.  So not a very good example,
 IMHO.

 Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
 the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.
>>>
>>>
>>> For FreeBSD we will not be rebranding so the idea will be more
>>> in the lines of "Apache OpenOffice powered by FreeBSD" and
>>> not the other way around.
>>>
>> But the question is where do we draw the line?
>>
> Why not? would you do the same politic as the Mozilla Foundation, with the
> Ice(animal) on Debian? Apache httpd is also called Apache httpd on any
> distro. Why AOO should go a different way?
>
> If distros ship a more or less clean version, they should be able to use the
> main brand.. If the packagers are AOO Commiter, I see realy no problem here.
> If the packagers are no commiter we may should be informated about the
> Version.

I wasn't making a statement or recommendation on where the line should
be drawn.  I'm just pointing out the kinds of questions that will
arise.  We can either continue to take this case-by-case, or reach
consensus on a policy that takes a default position on one or more of
these cases.

On the one hand we have companies, like one that used our logo and
name at openoffice.com that was distributing OpenOffice bundled with
bloat-ware.  We've seen companies selling premium paid support for
OpenOffice but then just sending the users to the community support
forums.

I think we want to have a policy that avoids abuses like that.  But at
the same time have a policy that permits uses that benefit the
community.

I am confident that we would do the right thing in these cases if we
decided case-by-case.  But that is laborious.

And I am confident that if we wrote a haphazard policy, it would do
more harm than good, since the companies that want to abuse the
trademarks will find loopholes in whatever policy we state and use our
policies to defend themselves against claims of infringement.
Remember, they are not accidental infringers.  They are doing this
intentionally.  They are motivated.  They have an incentive.  They are
doing this for the money.

So I think the sweet spot is to have enough of a formal policy that
takes care of the high-volume requests, like CD's, fan websites, etc.
And then rely on the PMC to make good calls for the remaining cases,
which are hopefully few.  In other words, giving the PMC discretion
for the "stuff in the middle" is not a bad thing.  We're motivated.
We have an incentive. We're doing it for the community.

-Rob

>>>
>>> Pedro.
>
>

Re: selling open office


Am 29.02.12 17:48, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:

FWIW;


On 02/29/12 07:54, Rob Weir wrote:


I don't see how this would have helped with Team OOo.  Surely, the
logo issue was only a small part of the problem, a very small part.
Even if we had a "powered by logo", there would have been the other
issues that were entirely irreconcilable with any reasonable Apache or
project trademark policy, such as the name of their organization and
the tenor of their fundraising efforts.  So not a very good example,
IMHO.

Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.


For FreeBSD we will not be rebranding so the idea will be more
in the lines of "Apache OpenOffice powered by FreeBSD" and
not the other way around.


But the question is where do we draw the line?

Why not? would you do the same politic as the Mozilla Foundation, with 
the Ice(animal) on Debian? Apache httpd is also called Apache httpd on 
any distro. Why AOO should go a different way?


If distros ship a more or less clean version, they should be able to use 
the main brand.. If the packagers are AOO Commiter, I see realy no 
problem here. If the packagers are no commiter we may should be 
informated about the Version.

Pedro.

Re: selling open office

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> FWIW;
>
>
> On 02/29/12 07:54, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't see how this would have helped with Team OOo.  Surely, the
>> logo issue was only a small part of the problem, a very small part.
>> Even if we had a "powered by logo", there would have been the other
>> issues that were entirely irreconcilable with any reasonable Apache or
>> project trademark policy, such as the name of their organization and
>> the tenor of their fundraising efforts.  So not a very good example,
>> IMHO.
>>
>> Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
>> the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.
>
>
> For FreeBSD we will not be rebranding so the idea will be more
> in the lines of "Apache OpenOffice powered by FreeBSD" and
> not the other way around.
>

But the question is where do we draw the line?

At one pole, I think we all agree that released versions of AOO,
approved by the PMC and made available on the Apache mirrors,are
properly called "Apache OpenOffice".

I think also, that most of us agree that exactly copies (MD5 hashes
match, etc.) of these releases may also be referred to as Apache
OpenOffice, whether distributed via other websites, on CD's, even if
offered for sale.  This doesn't mean all cases are acceptable.  If I
form a company called "OpenOffice Direct" and sell CD's of AOO from my
website and use the AOO logo, then this is a problem.

But beyond literal copies, with MD5 hashes, matches, what else can be
called "Apache OpenOffice"?

For example:

1) I recompile AOO using a better optimizing compiler and release that
on my website.  Can I call it "Apache OpenOffice"?

2) I take the AOO source, but not from a release, but just a snapshot
from the project's SVN.  I think it is good enough for a release, even
though the PMC has not yet officially declared a release.  Can I build
it and call it Apache OpenOffice?

3) I take the AOO source, from a release, but then make additional
patches in it, to fix some bugs. Maybe these patches are also
contributed back to the AOO project.  Maybe the patches actually come
from the AOO project.  This is a common pattern for how a package
maintainer for a Linux distro might work.  Can they call such work
"Apache OpenOffice"?

4) I take the AOO source, from SVN, not from a release, and port it to
a different operating system.  My binaries were never signed off on my
the PMC.  The quality and the binaries might be different than the
quality of the PMC-approved releases. May I call my port "Apache
OpenOffice"?

5) I take the AOO binary package, as released, and don't change any of
the compiled code.  But I do modify the install program to install
additional dictionaries, language packs, extensions, etc.  The core
code is identical.  I've only changed the install.  May I call this
"Apache OpenOffice"?

6) I take the AOO binary package and do not change it at all.  But I
write my own installer that invokes the AOO installer to install AOO,
and then installs additional dictionaries, language packs, extensions,
etc.  So the AOO binary package is unchanged, MD5 hashes match, etc.
Is this called "Apache OpenOffice + Foo"?  or what do we call it?

7) I am a PC distributor and I pre-install AOO on my PC's.  I use the
officially released binary packages from Apache, install them, and
then modify some of the default user preferences.  I also include some
additional plugins that connect the user to my subscription support
site.  May I say in my advertising that my PC's "Include Apache
OpenOffice(TM)"?  May I use the logo?

It is cases like this that we need to think about and develop some
rational way of deciding:

A) What cases are always allowed?

B) What cases are always forbidden?

C) What cases are reviewed on a case-by-case basis?

> Pedro.

Re: [RELEASE]: release platforms, products and languages

2012-02-29 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

Hi *,

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 06:17:08PM +0100, Reizinger Zoltán wrote:
> If I know correctly the OOo 3.4Beta all UI strings was translated in
> Hungarian version, when I tested it not found any problems.
> Needs to be checked in HU version of AOO 3.4 or in langpack, that
> the changes not caused any UI problems.
> I try to organise the HU langpack testing, but most HU OOo project
> went to the LibO.
> I can test on win and linux platform.
> Please build HU langpack, too.

I've uploaded hu, ru, and zh-TW langpacks for Linux 32 and 64 bits.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots#AOO3.4UnofficialDeveloperSnapshots-langpacks

Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: selling open office


FWIW;

On 02/29/12 07:54, Rob Weir wrote:


I don't see how this would have helped with Team OOo.  Surely, the
logo issue was only a small part of the problem, a very small part.
Even if we had a "powered by logo", there would have been the other
issues that were entirely irreconcilable with any reasonable Apache or
project trademark policy, such as the name of their organization and
the tenor of their fundraising efforts.  So not a very good example,
IMHO.

Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.


For FreeBSD we will not be rebranding so the idea will be more
in the lines of "Apache OpenOffice powered by FreeBSD" and
not the other way around.

Pedro.

Re: AW: Unable to install AOO on a clean Windows XP

2012-02-29 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann


Hi,

On 29.02.2012 15:56, Hans Zybura wrote:

Von: Ariel Constenla-Haile
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Februar 2012 11:19
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 08:50:31AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 2/28/12 8:30 PM, Hans Zybura wrote:

Like Oliver, I tried the same file now

http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-

Rev.1293550/win32/OOo_3.4.

0_Win_x
86_install_en-US.exe

on a clean English win xp professional sp3 vm and I'm still getting

"Error: An error occurred during registration of extensions!" at the
end of the installation process.

Both with installation option "install for all users" and "only for

me".


With the error message still open, i.e. installation not rolled back
yet, there are no files in standard path

C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 3\share\extensions

except for "package.txt"


It is really strange, I had the chance to install it on a Win XP box
with SP3 and where no office was installed before.

Everything works as expected ...

We need somebody with Win XP and a debugger and who is able to create
at least a stacktrace


not that I'm taking the task here (I'm not building on Win right now), but

I

wonder how do you debug this? Do you have to attach the msiexec, the
installer, ...?

Google found some pointers:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/223300
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/piyush/archive/2007/04/29/debugging-windows-
installer-msi-using-visual-studio-2005.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windows_installer_team/archive/2005/09/21/471
793.aspx


1. I created an msi log file on the clean winxp sp3 vm, where the problem
exists. I will send it via personal email if someone asks for it. And of
course I can do it again, if need be.

The last 3 lines before the error is thrown are:

[HZ_1:] MSI (s) (44:04) [13:02:50:677]: Executing op:
ActionStart(Name=RegisterExtensions,,)
[HZ_2:] Action 13:02:50: RegisterExtensions.
[HZ_3:] MSI (s) (44:04) [13:02:50:677]: Executing op:
CustomActionSchedule(Action=RegisterExtensions,ActionType=1025,Source=Binary
Data,Target=RegisterExtensions,CustomActionData=C:\Program
Files\OpenOffice.org 3\)

2. In the log file, I noticed the following lines:
Property(C): REQUIRED_DOTNET_VERSION = 2.0.0.0
Property(C): DOTNET_SUFFICIENT = 0

I took that as a hint and installed .Net Framework 2.0. This did NOT solve
the problem, though.

Side note: If .NET 2.0 really is required, than you should keep in mind,
that .Net is not originally part of Win XP, any Service Pack, or standard
security update. So it should either be part of the installation packet or
not required. Developers using Visual Studio tend to forget that, because
.Net is part of a Visual Studio installation.



.NET 2.0 should not be required from my point of view.

Currently, we have a couple of installations that worked on specific clean 
Windows XP environments and a couple of installations that did not work.


BTW, do we already have an issue for this.
If not I am asking to submit one in order to have all information about this in 
one place.
This issue should be also the right place to attach a such a created msi log 
file from my point of view.


Best regards, Oliver.

test AOO on Ubuntu 11.10 - 32 bit

Hello

For information

 Ubuntu 11.10 - 32 bits

without LibreOffice

with OpenOffice.org 3.3

Desktop Gnome

dual screen


Download -Linux Intel .deb - rt1293550 Apache OpenOffice - multi-lingual
full installation sets (250Mo)

Installation not completed --> problem with this paquet - The paquet is the
same of OOo 3.3


Download paquet - Apache OpenOffice - full installation sets - linux intel
DEB - en/US

installation completed --> no error -- > but problem - no link with AOO for
start (OOo3.3 start normally, )


See you

-- 
Librement,

Sylvain DENIS
*ICT & FLOSS Specialist*
*RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)***

Re: [CODE]: changed about box


On 2/29/12 3:32 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

Hi,

i have changed the about dialog box a little bit and would like to get
your feedback.

I added a new key in the version.ini/versionrc

Revision=

But after some experimenting I don't use this key right now but left it
in the version file for further references to the underlying revision.

I changed the value of buildid in the version file to

e.g. versionrc
###
buildid=340dev1 (Revision:1294675)
# instead of
buildid=340dev1(Build:9586)
###



I learned from Oliver that the space is not good. The "buildid" from the 
version file is used to generate the  entry in the ODF docs.


Example:
OpenOffice.org/3.4$Unix 
OpenOffice.org_project/340dev1$Rev-1294675

That means the space have to be removed and probably more work is 
necessary.


Maybe I should switch back to my experiment with the "Revision" key and 
adapt the code for the about box.


I will keep you informed ...

Juergen



The minor.mk includes
###
RSCVERSION=340
RSCREVISION=340dev1(Build:9586)
BUILD=9586
LAST_MINOR=dev1
SOURCEVERSION=AOO340
###

I haven't yet understand completely where the values are used and
decided to adapt the replacement in scriptitems.pm for now.

Ariel mentioned already some problems on windows if we simply change the
4 digit buildid to the svn revision.

In the end I modified my --with-build-version switch and drop the
revision from here. I like the date and time in the about box. As we
have seen earlier today with the windows dev snapshot it can be very
useful to check easy and fast if the correct build were used.

Ok I also changed the background color of this text field because it
looked strange before (at least on MacOS).

The result on MacOS can you review here
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/about_dialog.png

More rework on the about box will be done for future versions. But for a
3.4 I think it should be ok now.

Any opinions?

Juergen

AW: Unable to install AOO on a clean Windows XP

2012-02-29 Thread Hans Zybura

> Von: Ariel Constenla-Haile
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Februar 2012 11:19
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 08:50:31AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> > On 2/28/12 8:30 PM, Hans Zybura wrote:
> > >Like Oliver, I tried the same file now
> > >
> > >http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-
> Rev.1293550/win32/OOo_3.4.
> > >0_Win_x
> > >86_install_en-US.exe
> > >
> > >on a clean English win xp professional sp3 vm and I'm still getting
> > >
> > >"Error: An error occurred during registration of extensions!" at the
> > >end of the installation process.
> > >
> > >Both with installation option "install for all users" and "only for
me".
> > >
> > >With the error message still open, i.e. installation not rolled back
> > >yet, there are no files in standard path
> > >
> > >C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 3\share\extensions
> > >
> > >except for "package.txt"
> >
> > It is really strange, I had the chance to install it on a Win XP box
> > with SP3 and where no office was installed before.
> >
> > Everything works as expected ...
> >
> > We need somebody with Win XP and a debugger and who is able to create
> > at least a stacktrace
> 
> not that I'm taking the task here (I'm not building on Win right now), but
I
> wonder how do you debug this? Do you have to attach the msiexec, the
> installer, ...?
> 
> Google found some pointers:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/223300
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/piyush/archive/2007/04/29/debugging-windows-
> installer-msi-using-visual-studio-2005.aspx
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windows_installer_team/archive/2005/09/21/471
> 793.aspx

1. I created an msi log file on the clean winxp sp3 vm, where the problem
exists. I will send it via personal email if someone asks for it. And of
course I can do it again, if need be.

The last 3 lines before the error is thrown are:

[HZ_1:] MSI (s) (44:04) [13:02:50:677]: Executing op:
ActionStart(Name=RegisterExtensions,,)
[HZ_2:] Action 13:02:50: RegisterExtensions. 
[HZ_3:] MSI (s) (44:04) [13:02:50:677]: Executing op:
CustomActionSchedule(Action=RegisterExtensions,ActionType=1025,Source=Binary
Data,Target=RegisterExtensions,CustomActionData=C:\Program
Files\OpenOffice.org 3\)

2. In the log file, I noticed the following lines:
Property(C): REQUIRED_DOTNET_VERSION = 2.0.0.0
Property(C): DOTNET_SUFFICIENT = 0

I took that as a hint and installed .Net Framework 2.0. This did NOT solve
the problem, though.

Side note: If .NET 2.0 really is required, than you should keep in mind,
that .Net is not originally part of Win XP, any Service Pack, or standard
security update. So it should either be part of the installation packet or
not required. Developers using Visual Studio tend to forget that, because
.Net is part of a Visual Studio installation. 

Regards, Hans

Re: Draft blog post on FreeBSD port of AOO

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Maho NAKATA  wrote:
> Hello Rob and Pedro,
>
> Looks good to me. Thank you very much for polishing!
> So please go ahead.


OK.  The blog post is now published:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_has_been_ported

Let's share via social networks, blogs, etc.

I've shared on Twitter and Google+ if anyone wants to RT or Share these posts:

http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/174870013738614784

https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/NiZKSUQZopB

-Rob

> Anyway, here are my photos:
> http://accc.riken.jp/maho/200811152043001.jpg
> http://accc.riken.jp/maho/IMG_1067.jpg
>
> Thanks,
>  Nakata Maho
>
> From: Rob Weir 
> Subject: Re: Draft blog post on FreeBSD port of AOO
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:15:59 -0500
>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>>> On 02/27/12 13:30, Rob Weir wrote:

 This is based on a draft from Maho, with some additional edits from
 me.  Please take a look and suggest improvements:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_has_been_ported
>>>
>>> If Maho approves, I have some suggestions:
>>>
>>> To the end of the first paragraph add " Maintaining this new port
>>> in Apache source tree helps improve the overall portability of
>>> the system and provides another valuable testing environment."
>>>
>>> The second paragraph, may sound better "FreeBSD is a free operating system
>>> based on Berkeley's 4.4 BSD source release." Add a last sentence in that
>>> paragraph: "Since the origins of the Internet it has been known to break ftp
>>> performance records and power important sites like Yahoo, Hotmail and the
>>> ASF infrastructure."
>>>
>>> change (old) OpenOffice.org --> legacy OpenOffice.org
>>>
>>> Instead of MN and PG --> maho@ and pfg@
>>>
>>> The FreeBSD team did not create fork. --> The FreeBSD team did not fork.
>>>
>>> Perhaps add "In FreeBSD, OpenOffice and LibreOffice porters share their
>>> efforts
>>> in a common mailing list: off...@freebsd.org.
>>>
>>> The "Notably, Jung-uk Kim ..." line should be moved to the end of the
>>> "Historically," paragraph.
>>>
>>> "Technically, porting is not difficult."  --> "Technically, porting has not
>>> been very difficult.".
>>> After " ... linux and FreeBSD are very similar", I would add "MacOSX and
>>> FreeBSD also
>>> share many similarities which have helped improve both ports."
>>>
>>> I would put that paragraph before the "Since the OpenOffice project
>>> migrated".
>>>
>>
>> OK.  I made those changes on the draft.
>>
>> One thing that is not clear to me is the reference to the "dynamic
>> liner issue".  Would it be worth linking to a bug report or something
>> to explain what this was?
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>>
 Maybe we could get photographs of Maho and Pedro as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe just Maho's since he is the one signing ;).
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Pedro.
>>

building with system zlib: shell requires unzip.h

2012-02-29 Thread Yuri Dario

Hello,

it seems to me that AOO cannot be built using the system zlib: the 
shell/inc/internal/zipfile.hxx requires unzip.h to compile, and this 
file is not shipped with zlib packages (it is in the contrib dir).

configure --with-system-zlib is a valid option, did I find a bug in 
the build or I missed something else?

TIA

-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

/*
 * OS/2 open source software
 * http://web.os2power.com/yuri
 * http://www.netlabs.org
*/

Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge

2012-02-29 Thread Roberto Galoppini

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Joe Schaefer  wrote:
> I just updated the extensions.services DNS record
> accordingly.

Hi Joe,

 could you please do the same also for extensions.openoffice.org?

Roberto
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Hagar Delest 
>>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge
>>
>>Le dim. 26 févr. 2012 19:04:08 CET, RGB ES a écrit :
>>
 - Hagar Delest changed existing links into aoo-extensions.sf.net but I'm 
 not
 sure this is right: I think it is the same stuation we have for the forum,
 where we have a *.apache.org URL and user.services.openoffice.org but we 
 (at
 least I do) use only the openoffice.org address commonly.

 Regards,
   Andrea.
>>>
>>> Changing the address takes almost no time (I did it on the Spanish
>>> forums), so we will change it again if the url changes again. I see no
>>> problem there.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ricardo
>>
>>+1.
>>There has been so many topics about that in the forum!
>>Better fix it now and change again the address with the correct one later.
>>
>>Hagar

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[CODE]: changed about box


Hi,

i have changed the about dialog box a little bit and would like to get 
your feedback.


I added a new key in the version.ini/versionrc

Revision=

But after some experimenting I don't use this key right now but left it 
in the version file for further references to the underlying revision.


I changed the value of buildid in the version file to

e.g. versionrc
###
buildid=340dev1 (Revision:1294675)
# instead of
buildid=340dev1(Build:9586)
###

The minor.mk includes
###
RSCVERSION=340
RSCREVISION=340dev1(Build:9586)
BUILD=9586
LAST_MINOR=dev1
SOURCEVERSION=AOO340
###

I haven't yet understand completely where the values are used and 
decided to adapt the replacement in scriptitems.pm for now.


Ariel mentioned already some problems on windows if we simply change the 
4 digit buildid to the svn revision.


In the end I modified my --with-build-version switch and drop the 
revision from here. I like the date and time in the about box. As we 
have seen earlier today with the windows dev snapshot it can be very 
useful to check easy and fast if the correct build were used.


Ok I also changed the background color of this text field because it 
looked strange before (at least on MacOS).


The result on MacOS can you review here 
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/about_dialog.png


More rework on the about box will be done for future versions. But for a 
3.4 I think it should be ok now.


Any opinions?

Juergen

Re: selling open office

2012-02-29 Thread Shane Curcuru


On 2012-02-28 12:23 PM, flamin hotdog wrote:


hi, i was wondering where you stand on people selling open office. i know of 
somebody who is selling open office on ebay for profit.
thanks andy


As other folks have commented, the Apache License is designed to be 
permissive, in that third parties may take code under that license and 
use it for all sorts of activities.  This includes selling derivative 
software products based on our Apache licensed code, as well as charging 
a fee for providing CDs, training, consulting, and other activities 
based on actual Apache software products.


One of the main restrictions in the Apache License is that it does *not* 
grant rights to the trademarks - i.e. the brand names, logos, etc. - 
associated with the software products using this license.


Legal issues always depend on all the details around each specific case, 
so it's very difficult to provide general advice.  But in general third 
parties can charge for providing customers with copies of Apache 
licensed software products *as long as* they don't attempt to misuse the 
trademarks of the original producer of the software product.



In general, lengthy discussions of cases of license or trademark abuse 
are not helpful unless a (P)PMC can define a *specific* legal question, 
which can then be brought to the appropriate officer of the ASF or ASF 
counsel for legal advice.


Folks who want to learn more about the ASF's polices are strongly urged 
to read the actual license and trademark policies, along with the FAQs 
linked from their pages:


  http://www.apache.org/licenses/
  http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/


- Shane
  Apache OpenOffice mentor

Re: Powered by AOO (was Re: selling open office)

2012-02-29 Thread Dave Fisher

I agree with Ross that the Powered by Logo and Policy is needed.

I won't have time to say more for a day or two,

Regards,
Dave

On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 29 February 2012 13:48, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler
>>  wrote:
>>> On 29 February 2012 12:54, Rob Weir  wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ross Gardler
  wrote:
> On 28 February 2012 20:01, Donald Whytock  wrote:
>> There was talk of a "Powered by AOO" logo.  Maybe this should be
>> propogated up to the foundation to have an "Apache Inside" logo?
> 
> No, that is not how it (currently) works around here. Providing a
> foundation wide "Apache inside" logo doesn't seem to make sense to me.
> It means that huge numbers of Java applications would have "Apache
> inside" because of the almost universal use of the various Commons
> libraries. I can't speak for the Trademarks committee but I very much
> doubt they would want to take on managing such a situation. If you
> want to challenge that opinion the right place to do it is
> trademarks@a.o
> 
> It is critical that AOO recognises that each project is responsible
> for their own trademark management beyond the standard Apache policy.
> Trademarks@ is there to provide support when necessary, but this PPMC
> is responsible for day to day management. The AOO project ***needs***
> "powered by" or whatever. Without one it is extremely difficult to
> have satisfactory arrangements with organisations like Team OOo. The
> project mentors have been saying this since the very beginning of the
> project yet nobody has yet created such a logo and accompanying
> policy.
> 
 
>>> 
>>> ...
>> 
>> Ross, the part you conveniently snipped here was where I said the PPMC
>> does have a policy here.  It is on the website.  Using the trademarks
>> requires PPMC permission and this is evaluated on a case-by-case
>> basis.  This would include any one who wanted to use a "powered by
>> logo".  Our policy is that would be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
>> This is not lack of policy.  This is just that default policy that the
>> vast majority of TLP and podlings have today.
> 
> OK, sorry for snipping that. So can we have a powered by logo? I'm
> saying policy *plus* logo.
> 
>> 
>> And this does not in any way prevent or hinder someone from reusing
>> the 3.4 release. Take a look at any other Apache release, say
>> Subversion.  They have plenty of 3rd party ports and derived products.
>>  But they are not using a "powered by logo". I don't see a problem
>> here.
> 
> Yes, but I'm not talking about Subversion. I'm talking about AOO where
> the need for "powered by" has come up in a number of specific cases.
> 
>> 
>> Note: I'm certainly open to such a logo if you, or anyone else, wants
>> to contribute one.  But I don't think this is a priority right now,
>> and the actions of other PPMC members suggests that they agree.
> 
> Fair enough. When does it become a priority? I'm concerned that it's a
> catch 22. However, if you are correct and the PPMC is not concerned
> about this then fair enough, it's not a blocker.
> 
> Ross
> 
>> 
>>> 
 Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
 the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.
>>> 
>>> Sure, if you prefer.
>>> 
 but the advice we received
 early on was to handle these case-by-case for a while, so we get a
 sense of what kinds of requests will be coming in and what kinds of
 issues arise.  Writing a policy in a vacuum without that experience
 would be folly, IMHO.
>>> 
>>> Agreed. But the advice from at least three mentors, possibly more, on
>>> a number of specific cases has been "use a powered by policy". Each
>>> time it has been mentioned it seems to have been met with general
>>> agreement (at least no objections).
>>> 
 In any case, if you are uncertain as to whether there is a podling
 release policy related to "powered by" logos, I'd be happy to raise
 this on the general@incubator list.  Surely, if there were such a
 policy, written or unwritten, someone on the IPMC would be able to
 point us to previous invocations of that rule.
>>> 
>>> I am not saying anything about release policies. I'm suggesting that
>>> the lack of a "powered by AOO" logo and policy might be considered a
>>> blocker for the 3.4 release. I'm suggesting that the provision of such
>>> might simplify the reuse of AOO 3.4. That's the goal, right? The IPMC
>>> does not have a policy relating to "powered by" and its relationship
>>> to releases. It is entirely up to the PPMC to decide what is/is not a
>>> blocker.
>>> 
>>> The trademarks committee does have guidance on "powered by"
>>> approaches. There is a specifc FAQ entry on the powered by topic, I'm
>>> not sure it has ever been pointed to explicitly so here you go: "May I
>>> use Apache Powered by... marks

Calling all volunteers: It is time to test

As we approach the first Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice 3.4,
it would be wonderful if we could have some more volunteers testing
the latest dev snapshots builds. Following is some information on what
this requires, and how you can help.

First, if you have never tested a pre-release product before, know
that bugs are expected. That is the purpose of testing, to find bugs
so they can be fixed. Bugs could range from UI glitches, to incorrect
formatting to crashes or even data corruption. So you probably don't
want to use a test build for mission-critical tasks. Of course, I
assume you have already backed up your important documents. You do
have backups, right? Ideally you can do your testing on a separate
machine from your main work machine, so if something goes wrong you
will not interfere with your other work.

The above are all sensible precautions when testing any pre-release
software product.

If you are ready to test, you can download the latest developer
snapshot build from this page:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots

We could use help verifying the install in all real-world scenarios,
on clean OS installs, as upgrades to previous versions of OOo and as
installs on machines where LibreOffice or Symphony are already
installed.

Once you have installed, launch OpenOffice and look at the Help/About
box. If the revision shown there matches the build you installed
(e..g, "r1293550") then the install was a success. Please send a short
note to the ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org telling us what platform and
scenario you installed (fresh install, upgrade, install next to
LibreOffice, etc.). This will help us understand what scenarios have
already been attempted and which have not.

After you have installed, there are three approaches to testing, of
increasing degrees of formality:

1) Just use the dev snapshot for your ordinary work, doing your
ordinary tasks. When you observe a bug, submit a report on this to
Bugzilla.

2) Self-directed testing. Pick an area of the product that you
understand well, like printing or text formatting, or slide show
transitions. Spend an hour or two trying to exercise that feature in
all its variations. If there is a dialog box, try manipulating all of
its values. If it is a formatting option, create a document that uses
all variations. Try to break it. Try to think like a bug.

A special area that could use attention is version compatibility.
Take all of your OpenOffice.org 3.3 documents and open them up on AOO
3.4. Any errors? Formatting issues? Crashes? Missing data? Ditto
for opening Microsoft Office documents. Are there any regressions,
e.g., things that worked in 3.3 but now break in 3.4? Try it in the
other direction as well. If you create a document in AOO 3.4, can it
be read correctly in OOo 3.3? Did we do anything that breaks
backwards compatibility?

Another special area is to verify the translations. Install a
multi-language install or a language pack and check the translation
for completeness and accuracy. If it looks good, please send a note
to the list, so we know it has already been verified. If there are
bugs, please enter into Bugzilla.

3) Cover test cases from the test plan

A 3.4 test plan is on the wiki here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestCases/

Results are here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestResults

Look for an area that has not been tested, test it, and upload your results.

In all cases, if you find bugs, report them in Bugzilla:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/

We can also use help re-testing bugs that have been marked as fixed,
and confirming/reproducing newly reported bugs. If you want to help
in Bugzilla, sign up for an account and respond to this note and ask
for your ID to be put in the "qa-team" group, so you will have
expanded permissions to edit issues.

Regards,

-Rob

Re: May I use "OpenOffice.org" and "Apache Incubator" logos on OpenOffice.org CD

2012-02-29 Thread Kazunari Hirano

Hi all,

https://sites.google.com/site/khirano/Home/openoffice-org-3-3-0-cd

Here are final designs.

You know students graduate their collage or university in March and
new students enter their university or collage in April in Japan.
I will ask universities and collages to give them OpenOffice.org CD as
graduation gift and entry gift :)
Or students can donate some money by buying OpenOffice.org CD.
1 CD goes to the donor.  1 CD goes to a people who need it in the
devastated areas.
Money from sale of CD will be used to create new industry, new job in
the devastated areas.

Thanks,
khirano

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
> Hi Shane,
>
> Thanks for your comment.
> I and my colleague designer are trying to use similar fonts.
> :)
> https://sites.google.com/site/khirano/Home/openoffice-org-3-3-0-cd
> These designs are still drafts.
> We are trying to add URLs for those projects.
>
> I will show you final designs later.
>
> Thanks,
> khirano
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
>> (In case someone from AOO hasn't answered yet)
>>
>> I certainly think it would look better with a similar font to the ASF logo,
>> but it's not required in a project like this.  Unfortunately, I don't know
>> the details of the specific font.
>>
>> Hopefully the AOO folks can update the links - thanks for the notes and for
>> working on the details of your project!
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>>
>> On 2012-02-02 5:36 PM, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Shane and all,
>>>
>>> I have a question.
>>>
>>> When we write the text "Apache Incubator Project" and its URL along
>>> with the Feather, http://apache.org/images/feather.gif, can we use any
>>> font for the text "Apache Incubator Project" and its URL ?  Or should
>>> we use the same font for the text "The Apache Software Foundation" and
>>> its URL as shown in http://www.apache.org/images/asf_logo_wide.gif ?
>>> What font is it?
>>>
>>> I have found a wrong link on the OpenOffice.org Official Logo page,
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/
>>>
>>> In the line "You can download the OpenOffice.org logo as SVG or EPS,"
>>> the word "SVG" is linked to
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/%3Chttp://www.openoffice.org/trademark/logo_color.svg%3E
>>> I think this should be http://www.openoffice.org/trademark/logo_color.svg
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> khirano
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> khir...@apache.org
> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/



-- 
khir...@apache.org
Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Re: Powered by AOO (was Re: selling open office)

2012-02-29 Thread Ross Gardler

On 29 February 2012 13:48, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler
>  wrote:
>> On 29 February 2012 12:54, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ross Gardler
>>>  wrote:
 On 28 February 2012 20:01, Donald Whytock  wrote:
> There was talk of a "Powered by AOO" logo.  Maybe this should be
> propogated up to the foundation to have an "Apache Inside" logo?

 No, that is not how it (currently) works around here. Providing a
 foundation wide "Apache inside" logo doesn't seem to make sense to me.
 It means that huge numbers of Java applications would have "Apache
 inside" because of the almost universal use of the various Commons
 libraries. I can't speak for the Trademarks committee but I very much
 doubt they would want to take on managing such a situation. If you
 want to challenge that opinion the right place to do it is
 trademarks@a.o

 It is critical that AOO recognises that each project is responsible
 for their own trademark management beyond the standard Apache policy.
 Trademarks@ is there to provide support when necessary, but this PPMC
 is responsible for day to day management. The AOO project ***needs***
 "powered by" or whatever. Without one it is extremely difficult to
 have satisfactory arrangements with organisations like Team OOo. The
 project mentors have been saying this since the very beginning of the
 project yet nobody has yet created such a logo and accompanying
 policy.

>>>
>>
>> ...
>
> Ross, the part you conveniently snipped here was where I said the PPMC
> does have a policy here.  It is on the website.  Using the trademarks
> requires PPMC permission and this is evaluated on a case-by-case
> basis.  This would include any one who wanted to use a "powered by
> logo".  Our policy is that would be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
> This is not lack of policy.  This is just that default policy that the
> vast majority of TLP and podlings have today.

OK, sorry for snipping that. So can we have a powered by logo? I'm
saying policy *plus* logo.

>
> And this does not in any way prevent or hinder someone from reusing
> the 3.4 release. Take a look at any other Apache release, say
> Subversion.  They have plenty of 3rd party ports and derived products.
>  But they are not using a "powered by logo". I don't see a problem
> here.

Yes, but I'm not talking about Subversion. I'm talking about AOO where
the need for "powered by" has come up in a number of specific cases.

>
> Note: I'm certainly open to such a logo if you, or anyone else, wants
> to contribute one.  But I don't think this is a priority right now,
> and the actions of other PPMC members suggests that they agree.

Fair enough. When does it become a priority? I'm concerned that it's a
catch 22. However, if you are correct and the PPMC is not concerned
about this then fair enough, it's not a blocker.

Ross

>
>>
>>> Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
>>> the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.
>>
>> Sure, if you prefer.
>>
>>> but the advice we received
>>> early on was to handle these case-by-case for a while, so we get a
>>> sense of what kinds of requests will be coming in and what kinds of
>>> issues arise.  Writing a policy in a vacuum without that experience
>>> would be folly, IMHO.
>>
>> Agreed. But the advice from at least three mentors, possibly more, on
>> a number of specific cases has been "use a powered by policy". Each
>> time it has been mentioned it seems to have been met with general
>> agreement (at least no objections).
>>
>>> In any case, if you are uncertain as to whether there is a podling
>>> release policy related to "powered by" logos, I'd be happy to raise
>>> this on the general@incubator list.  Surely, if there were such a
>>> policy, written or unwritten, someone on the IPMC would be able to
>>> point us to previous invocations of that rule.
>>
>> I am not saying anything about release policies. I'm suggesting that
>> the lack of a "powered by AOO" logo and policy might be considered a
>> blocker for the 3.4 release. I'm suggesting that the provision of such
>> might simplify the reuse of AOO 3.4. That's the goal, right? The IPMC
>> does not have a policy relating to "powered by" and its relationship
>> to releases. It is entirely up to the PPMC to decide what is/is not a
>> blocker.
>>
>> The trademarks committee does have guidance on "powered by"
>> approaches. There is a specifc FAQ entry on the powered by topic, I'm
>> not sure it has ever been pointed to explicitly so here you go: "May I
>> use Apache Powered by... marks or logos in software product names or
>> logos?" http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#poweredby
>>
>> Ross

-- 
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Powered by AOO (was Re: selling open office)

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler
 wrote:
> On 29 February 2012 12:54, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ross Gardler
>>  wrote:
>>> On 28 February 2012 20:01, Donald Whytock  wrote:
 There was talk of a "Powered by AOO" logo.  Maybe this should be
 propogated up to the foundation to have an "Apache Inside" logo?
>>>
>>> No, that is not how it (currently) works around here. Providing a
>>> foundation wide "Apache inside" logo doesn't seem to make sense to me.
>>> It means that huge numbers of Java applications would have "Apache
>>> inside" because of the almost universal use of the various Commons
>>> libraries. I can't speak for the Trademarks committee but I very much
>>> doubt they would want to take on managing such a situation. If you
>>> want to challenge that opinion the right place to do it is
>>> trademarks@a.o
>>>
>>> It is critical that AOO recognises that each project is responsible
>>> for their own trademark management beyond the standard Apache policy.
>>> Trademarks@ is there to provide support when necessary, but this PPMC
>>> is responsible for day to day management. The AOO project ***needs***
>>> "powered by" or whatever. Without one it is extremely difficult to
>>> have satisfactory arrangements with organisations like Team OOo. The
>>> project mentors have been saying this since the very beginning of the
>>> project yet nobody has yet created such a logo and accompanying
>>> policy.
>>>
>>
>
> ...

Ross, the part you conveniently snipped here was where I said the PPMC
does have a policy here.  It is on the website.  Using the trademarks
requires PPMC permission and this is evaluated on a case-by-case
basis.  This would include any one who wanted to use a "powered by
logo".  Our policy is that would be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
This is not lack of policy.  This is just that default policy that the
vast majority of TLP and podlings have today.

And this does not in any way prevent or hinder someone from reusing
the 3.4 release. Take a look at any other Apache release, say
Subversion.  They have plenty of 3rd party ports and derived products.
 But they are not using a "powered by logo". I don't see a problem
here.

Note: I'm certainly open to such a logo if you, or anyone else, wants
to contribute one.  But I don't think this is a priority right now,
and the actions of other PPMC members suggests that they agree.

>
>> Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
>> the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.
>
> Sure, if you prefer.
>
>> but the advice we received
>> early on was to handle these case-by-case for a while, so we get a
>> sense of what kinds of requests will be coming in and what kinds of
>> issues arise.  Writing a policy in a vacuum without that experience
>> would be folly, IMHO.
>
> Agreed. But the advice from at least three mentors, possibly more, on
> a number of specific cases has been "use a powered by policy". Each
> time it has been mentioned it seems to have been met with general
> agreement (at least no objections).
>
>> In any case, if you are uncertain as to whether there is a podling
>> release policy related to "powered by" logos, I'd be happy to raise
>> this on the general@incubator list.  Surely, if there were such a
>> policy, written or unwritten, someone on the IPMC would be able to
>> point us to previous invocations of that rule.
>
> I am not saying anything about release policies. I'm suggesting that
> the lack of a "powered by AOO" logo and policy might be considered a
> blocker for the 3.4 release. I'm suggesting that the provision of such
> might simplify the reuse of AOO 3.4. That's the goal, right? The IPMC
> does not have a policy relating to "powered by" and its relationship
> to releases. It is entirely up to the PPMC to decide what is/is not a
> blocker.
>
> The trademarks committee does have guidance on "powered by"
> approaches. There is a specifc FAQ entry on the powered by topic, I'm
> not sure it has ever been pointed to explicitly so here you go: "May I
> use Apache Powered by... marks or logos in software product names or
> logos?" http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#poweredby
>
> Ross

Powered by AOO (was Re: selling open office)

2012-02-29 Thread Ross Gardler

On 29 February 2012 12:54, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ross Gardler
>  wrote:
>> On 28 February 2012 20:01, Donald Whytock  wrote:
>>> There was talk of a "Powered by AOO" logo.  Maybe this should be
>>> propogated up to the foundation to have an "Apache Inside" logo?
>>
>> No, that is not how it (currently) works around here. Providing a
>> foundation wide "Apache inside" logo doesn't seem to make sense to me.
>> It means that huge numbers of Java applications would have "Apache
>> inside" because of the almost universal use of the various Commons
>> libraries. I can't speak for the Trademarks committee but I very much
>> doubt they would want to take on managing such a situation. If you
>> want to challenge that opinion the right place to do it is
>> trademarks@a.o
>>
>> It is critical that AOO recognises that each project is responsible
>> for their own trademark management beyond the standard Apache policy.
>> Trademarks@ is there to provide support when necessary, but this PPMC
>> is responsible for day to day management. The AOO project ***needs***
>> "powered by" or whatever. Without one it is extremely difficult to
>> have satisfactory arrangements with organisations like Team OOo. The
>> project mentors have been saying this since the very beginning of the
>> project yet nobody has yet created such a logo and accompanying
>> policy.
>>
>

...

> Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
> the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.

Sure, if you prefer.

> but the advice we received
> early on was to handle these case-by-case for a while, so we get a
> sense of what kinds of requests will be coming in and what kinds of
> issues arise.  Writing a policy in a vacuum without that experience
> would be folly, IMHO.

Agreed. But the advice from at least three mentors, possibly more, on
a number of specific cases has been "use a powered by policy". Each
time it has been mentioned it seems to have been met with general
agreement (at least no objections).

> In any case, if you are uncertain as to whether there is a podling
> release policy related to "powered by" logos, I'd be happy to raise
> this on the general@incubator list.  Surely, if there were such a
> policy, written or unwritten, someone on the IPMC would be able to
> point us to previous invocations of that rule.

I am not saying anything about release policies. I'm suggesting that
the lack of a "powered by AOO" logo and policy might be considered a
blocker for the 3.4 release. I'm suggesting that the provision of such
might simplify the reuse of AOO 3.4. That's the goal, right? The IPMC
does not have a policy relating to "powered by" and its relationship
to releases. It is entirely up to the PPMC to decide what is/is not a
blocker.

The trademarks committee does have guidance on "powered by"
approaches. There is a specifc FAQ entry on the powered by topic, I'm
not sure it has ever been pointed to explicitly so here you go: "May I
use Apache Powered by... marks or logos in software product names or
logos?" http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#poweredby

Ross

Re: Help Wanted

ok thank you

Sylvain

2012/2/29 Rob Weir 

> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Sylvain DENIS
>  wrote:
> > Hello Rob,
> >
> > I read the answer and I can test on Linux (Ubuntu). What is the
> procedure?
> >
>
> I will respond in a new thread called "Calling all volunteers: It is
> time to test"
>
> -Rob
>
> > greats
> >
> > Sylvain
> >
> > 2012/2/29 Rob Weir 
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Jacob Yturri 
> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I am looking to apply for any of the help wanted jobs. I webmaster in
> my
> >> > spare time and it is my passion and hobby. I would be willing to work
> on
> >> > the website. I would also be willing to help plan Apache's Office
> Suite.
> >> I
> >> > do not mind learning new and or hard things, and I believe that this
> >> would
> >> > be fun and engaging.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hi Jacob,
> >>
> >> Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project!
> >>
> >> Are you fluent in any languages other than English?  Right now one of
> >> our more urgent needs is for help translating the openoffice.org
> >> homepage into other languages.  We want to have a good experience
> >> there to synch with the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.  Is that
> >> something you can help with?
> >>
> >> We also need help testing the 3.4 dev snapshot builds on Windows, Mac
> >> or Linux.  I can give you more information on that if you are
> >> interested.
> >>
> >> As you can tell, we're very focused on getting out the 3.4 release
> >> right now.  There will be more opportunities for new work and more
> >> creative work after 3.4 is released.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> > Yours,
> >> > Jacob Yturri
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Librement,
> >
> > Sylvain DENIS
> > *ICT & FLOSS Specialist*
> > *RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)***
>



-- 
Librement,

Sylvain DENIS
*ICT & FLOSS Specialist*
*RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)***

Re: Help Wanted

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Sylvain DENIS
 wrote:
> Hello Rob,
>
> I read the answer and I can test on Linux (Ubuntu). What is the procedure?
>

I will respond in a new thread called "Calling all volunteers: It is
time to test"

-Rob

> greats
>
> Sylvain
>
> 2012/2/29 Rob Weir 
>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Jacob Yturri  wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am looking to apply for any of the help wanted jobs. I webmaster in my
>> > spare time and it is my passion and hobby. I would be willing to work on
>> > the website. I would also be willing to help plan Apache's Office Suite.
>> I
>> > do not mind learning new and or hard things, and I believe that this
>> would
>> > be fun and engaging.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>> Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project!
>>
>> Are you fluent in any languages other than English?  Right now one of
>> our more urgent needs is for help translating the openoffice.org
>> homepage into other languages.  We want to have a good experience
>> there to synch with the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.  Is that
>> something you can help with?
>>
>> We also need help testing the 3.4 dev snapshot builds on Windows, Mac
>> or Linux.  I can give you more information on that if you are
>> interested.
>>
>> As you can tell, we're very focused on getting out the 3.4 release
>> right now.  There will be more opportunities for new work and more
>> creative work after 3.4 is released.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > Yours,
>> > Jacob Yturri
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Librement,
>
> Sylvain DENIS
> *ICT & FLOSS Specialist*
> *RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)***

Re: Help Wanted

oups, i forgot. I test in french if possible ;)

Sylvain

2012/2/29 Sylvain DENIS 

> Hello Rob,
>
> I read the answer and I can test on Linux (Ubuntu). What is the procedure?
>
> greats
>
> Sylvain
>
> 2012/2/29 Rob Weir 
>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Jacob Yturri 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am looking to apply for any of the help wanted jobs. I webmaster in my
>> > spare time and it is my passion and hobby. I would be willing to work on
>> > the website. I would also be willing to help plan Apache's Office
>> Suite. I
>> > do not mind learning new and or hard things, and I believe that this
>> would
>> > be fun and engaging.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>> Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project!
>>
>> Are you fluent in any languages other than English?  Right now one of
>> our more urgent needs is for help translating the openoffice.org
>> homepage into other languages.  We want to have a good experience
>> there to synch with the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.  Is that
>> something you can help with?
>>
>> We also need help testing the 3.4 dev snapshot builds on Windows, Mac
>> or Linux.  I can give you more information on that if you are
>> interested.
>>
>> As you can tell, we're very focused on getting out the 3.4 release
>> right now.  There will be more opportunities for new work and more
>> creative work after 3.4 is released.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > Yours,
>> > Jacob Yturri
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Librement,
>
> Sylvain DENIS
> *ICT & FLOSS Specialist*
> *RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)***
>
>
>
>


-- 
Librement,

Sylvain DENIS
*ICT & FLOSS Specialist*
*RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)***

Re: [BUILD]: propose next developer snapshot based on revision 1293738


On 2/29/12 1:49 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote:

Am 29.02.12 12:13, schrieb Jean Weber:

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 03:25, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:50:20 +
Rory O'Farrell wrote:


On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:30:46 +0100
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I have recreated the installationsets - Writer menues and
toolbars should be back now.

Best regards, Oliver.


OK, I'll download the latest copy and try it on Windows XP.


--
Rory O'Farrell


Downloaded and installed revision r1293550. All menus present and
working. Great!

Will try with a large text file and a presentation tomorrow, but
work to do to both today.


I just installed r1293550 on Windows 7. Menus and toolbars are missing
in Writer.
I got it from ftp://bircher2.nine.ch/AOO/devsnap/r1293550/en-US/
The date modified is listed as 2/27/12 2:22:00 PM

Is this the latest file, or is the one on the cwiki more recent?

It should be exactly the same as on the cwiki


it should, but Oliver has updated his version yesterday.

The date and time is clearly old.

Juergen

Re: Help Wanted

Hello Rob,

I read the answer and I can test on Linux (Ubuntu). What is the procedure?

greats

Sylvain

2012/2/29 Rob Weir 

> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Jacob Yturri  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am looking to apply for any of the help wanted jobs. I webmaster in my
> > spare time and it is my passion and hobby. I would be willing to work on
> > the website. I would also be willing to help plan Apache's Office Suite.
> I
> > do not mind learning new and or hard things, and I believe that this
> would
> > be fun and engaging.
> >
>
> Hi Jacob,
>
> Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project!
>
> Are you fluent in any languages other than English?  Right now one of
> our more urgent needs is for help translating the openoffice.org
> homepage into other languages.  We want to have a good experience
> there to synch with the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.  Is that
> something you can help with?
>
> We also need help testing the 3.4 dev snapshot builds on Windows, Mac
> or Linux.  I can give you more information on that if you are
> interested.
>
> As you can tell, we're very focused on getting out the 3.4 release
> right now.  There will be more opportunities for new work and more
> creative work after 3.4 is released.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > Yours,
> > Jacob Yturri
>



-- 
Librement,

Sylvain DENIS
*ICT & FLOSS Specialist*
*RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)***

Re: Help Wanted

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Jacob Yturri  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking to apply for any of the help wanted jobs. I webmaster in my
> spare time and it is my passion and hobby. I would be willing to work on
> the website. I would also be willing to help plan Apache's Office Suite. I
> do not mind learning new and or hard things, and I believe that this would
> be fun and engaging.
>

Hi Jacob,

Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project!

Are you fluent in any languages other than English?  Right now one of
our more urgent needs is for help translating the openoffice.org
homepage into other languages.  We want to have a good experience
there to synch with the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.  Is that
something you can help with?

We also need help testing the 3.4 dev snapshot builds on Windows, Mac
or Linux.  I can give you more information on that if you are
interested.

As you can tell, we're very focused on getting out the 3.4 release
right now.  There will be more opportunities for new work and more
creative work after 3.4 is released.

Regards,

-Rob

> Yours,
> Jacob Yturri

Re: selling open office

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ross Gardler
 wrote:
> On 28 February 2012 20:01, Donald Whytock  wrote:
>> There was talk of a "Powered by AOO" logo.  Maybe this should be
>> propogated up to the foundation to have an "Apache Inside" logo?
>
> No, that is not how it (currently) works around here. Providing a
> foundation wide "Apache inside" logo doesn't seem to make sense to me.
> It means that huge numbers of Java applications would have "Apache
> inside" because of the almost universal use of the various Commons
> libraries. I can't speak for the Trademarks committee but I very much
> doubt they would want to take on managing such a situation. If you
> want to challenge that opinion the right place to do it is
> trademarks@a.o
>
> It is critical that AOO recognises that each project is responsible
> for their own trademark management beyond the standard Apache policy.
> Trademarks@ is there to provide support when necessary, but this PPMC
> is responsible for day to day management. The AOO project ***needs***
> "powered by" or whatever. Without one it is extremely difficult to
> have satisfactory arrangements with organisations like Team OOo. The
> project mentors have been saying this since the very beginning of the
> project yet nobody has yet created such a logo and accompanying
> policy.
>

I don't see how this would have helped with Team OOo.  Surely, the
logo issue was only a small part of the problem, a very small part.
Even if we had a "powered by logo", there would have been the other
issues that were entirely irreconcilable with any reasonable Apache or
project trademark policy, such as the name of their organization and
the tenor of their fundraising efforts.  So not a very good example,
IMHO.

Maybe a better example would be the FreeBSD port?  That does not have
the extraneous issues that we had with TOO.

> I'm starting to think that the lack of a "powered by" logo and policy
> might be a blocker for the 3.4 release. I'd like to hear Shanes
> thoughts on this (as a mentor first, rather than as VP Trademarks).
>

Current policy is on the website.  Using the trademarks requires PPMC
permission and this is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.  Hopefully
we'll get to something more documented, but the advice we received
early on was to handle these case-by-case for a while, so we get a
sense of what kinds of requests will be coming in and what kinds of
issues arise.  Writing a policy in a vacuum without that experience
would be folly, IMHO.

In any case, if you are uncertain as to whether there is a podling
release policy related to "powered by" logos, I'd be happy to raise
this on the general@incubator list.  Surely, if there were such a
policy, written or unwritten, someone on the IPMC would be able to
point us to previous invocations of that rule.

-Rob

> Ross

Re: [BUILD]: propose next developer snapshot based on revision 1293738


Am 29.02.12 12:13, schrieb Jean Weber:

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 03:25, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:50:20 +
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:


On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:30:46 +0100
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann  wrote:

I have recreated the installationsets - Writer menues and
toolbars should be back now.

Best regards, Oliver.


OK, I'll download the latest copy and try it on Windows XP.


--
Rory O'Farrell


Downloaded and installed revision r1293550.  All menus present and
working. Great!

Will try with a large text file and a presentation tomorrow, but
work to do to both today.


I just installed r1293550 on Windows 7. Menus and toolbars are missing
in Writer.
I got it from ftp://bircher2.nine.ch/AOO/devsnap/r1293550/en-US/
The date modified is listed as 2/27/12 2:22:00 PM

Is this the latest file, or is the one on the cwiki more recent?

It should be exactly the same as on the cwiki

Help Wanted

2012-02-29 Thread Jacob Yturri

Hello,

I am looking to apply for any of the help wanted jobs. I webmaster in my
spare time and it is my passion and hobby. I would be willing to work on
the website. I would also be willing to help plan Apache's Office Suite. I
do not mind learning new and or hard things, and I believe that this would
be fun and engaging.

Yours,
Jacob Yturri

Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle?

2012-02-29 Thread Tony Stevenson

Rob, 

It is probably best to open a jira ticket to start with.  It will then be 
worked on as soon as it floats to the top of the pile. 


Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 07:33:21PM -0500:
> The legacy OpenOffice.org project used Pootle for translation
> management.  I'm told that we have Pootle server now available at
> Apache.  Is that correct?
> 
> What do we need to do get the OpenOffice podling enabled for Pootle?
> We have *.po data files to load.  Should we gather them and enter a
> Infra JIRA ticket?  Should we also nominate some Pootle admin users
> from the project?
> 
> -Rob
> 

-- 

Cheers,
Tony


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Re: [BUILD]: propose next developer snapshot based on revision 1293738

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:13:53 +1000
Jean Weber  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 03:25, Rory O'Farrell 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:50:20 +
> > Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:30:46 +0100
> >> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have recreated the installationsets - Writer menues and
> >> > toolbars should be back now.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards, Oliver.
> >> >
> >> OK, I'll download the latest copy and try it on Windows XP.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rory O'Farrell 
> >>
> >
> > Downloaded and installed revision r1293550.  All menus
> > present and working. Great!
> >
> > Will try with a large text file and a presentation tomorrow,
> > but work to do to both today.
> 
> 
> I just installed r1293550 on Windows 7. Menus and toolbars are
> missing in Writer.
> I got it from ftp://bircher2.nine.ch/AOO/devsnap/r1293550/en-US/
> The date modified is listed as 2/27/12 2:22:00 PM
> 
> Is this the latest file, or is the one on the cwiki more recent?

That was the later version I installed and Writer menus showed up
immediately.  Before I installed it I Uninstalle the earlier
version _and_ delete the ooo-dev directory under Documents.

I haven't tried it more than to confirm that the menus were there
- I've a presentation to prepare and I'm researching in the late
18th century at present!


-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: Error installing AOO on Windows 7

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 21:14, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:58:38 +1000
> Jean Weber  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 19:42, Rory O'Farrell 
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:40:12 +
>> > Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:37:02 +1000
>> >> Jean Weber  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on
>> >> > Windows 7, I get the following error:
>> >> > "Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3."
>> >> > This is at the step when the installer is calculating space
>> >> > requirements.
>> >> >
>> >> > This happened with the previous build, too.
>> >>
>> >> Jean
>> >>
>> >> This thread offers a solution
>> >> user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?
>> >> f=15&t=48165&p=221491
>>
>>
>> That worked. Many thanks.
>>
>> However, I now have the dreaded missing menus and toolbars in
>> Writer! I'll look for that thread, which I didn't pay any
>> attention to earlier, and see if it contains a solution for me.
>
> Version r1293550 on
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
> cures that problem.

Thanks! I'll download that tomorrow morning when speeds are better on
my network.

--Jean

Re: Error installing AOO on Windows 7

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:58:38 +1000
Jean Weber  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 19:42, Rory O'Farrell 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:40:12 +
> > Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:37:02 +1000
> >> Jean Weber  wrote:
> >>
> >> > When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on
> >> > Windows 7, I get the following error:
> >> > "Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3."
> >> > This is at the step when the installer is calculating space
> >> > requirements.
> >> >
> >> > This happened with the previous build, too.
> >>
> >> Jean
> >>
> >> This thread offers a solution
> >> user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?
> >> f=15&t=48165&p=221491
> 
> 
> That worked. Many thanks.
> 
> However, I now have the dreaded missing menus and toolbars in
> Writer! I'll look for that thread, which I didn't pay any
> attention to earlier, and see if it contains a solution for me.

Version r1293550 on
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
cures that problem.



-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: [BUILD]: propose next developer snapshot based on revision 1293738

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 03:25, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:50:20 +
> Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:30:46 +0100
>> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann  wrote:
>> >
>> > I have recreated the installationsets - Writer menues and
>> > toolbars should be back now.
>> >
>> > Best regards, Oliver.
>> >
>> OK, I'll download the latest copy and try it on Windows XP.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell 
>>
>
> Downloaded and installed revision r1293550.  All menus present and
> working. Great!
>
> Will try with a large text file and a presentation tomorrow, but
> work to do to both today.


I just installed r1293550 on Windows 7. Menus and toolbars are missing
in Writer.
I got it from ftp://bircher2.nine.ch/AOO/devsnap/r1293550/en-US/
The date modified is listed as 2/27/12 2:22:00 PM

Is this the latest file, or is the one on the cwiki more recent?

--Jean

Re: Error installing AOO on Windows 7

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 19:42, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:40:12 +
> Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:37:02 +1000
>> Jean Weber  wrote:
>>
>> > When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on
>> > Windows 7, I get the following error:
>> > "Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3."
>> > This is at the step when the installer is calculating space
>> > requirements.
>> >
>> > This happened with the previous build, too.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>> This thread offers a solution
>> user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=48165&p=221491


That worked. Many thanks.

However, I now have the dreaded missing menus and toolbars in Writer!
I'll look for that thread, which I didn't pay any attention to
earlier, and see if it contains a solution for me.

--Jean

Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle?


On 2/29/12 9:33 AM, imacat wrote:

On 2012/02/29 16:07, Raphael Bircher said:

Am 29.02.12 08:54, schrieb imacat:

On 2012/02/29 10:48, Raphael Bircher said:

Am 29.02.12 03:09, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Raphael Bircher
wrote:

Am 29.02.12 01:33, schrieb Rob Weir:

Just for information, the translations for the 3.4 should be in the AOO
3.4.


 That would be great.  But we (zh-TW) are still not in the release
list, and we still need to revise the "Pivot Table" change.

 It may not be easy to understand this issue for those whose language
version will be released.  This is a "to be or not to be" problem to us.
  Even more, a release without the localized version may be worse than no
release at all for the local community that *ALREADY* worked on it.



ok, let think what's possible. Do you have already build the office on 
your own and have checked the available translation?


If not which platform are you using?

We should first check the available translation by building a zh-TW 
version or at least language pack


Juergen

Re: AW: Unable to install AOO on a clean Windows XP

2012-02-29 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 08:50:31AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 2/28/12 8:30 PM, Hans Zybura wrote:
> >Like Oliver, I tried the same file now
> >
> >http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-Rev.1293550/win32/OOo_3.4.0_Win_x
> >86_install_en-US.exe
> >
> >on a clean English win xp professional sp3 vm and I'm still getting
> >
> >"Error: An error occurred during registration of extensions!" at the end of
> >the installation process.
> >
> >Both with installation option "install for all users" and "only for me".
> >
> >With the error message still open, i.e. installation not rolled back yet,
> >there are no files in standard path
> >
> >C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 3\share\extensions
> >
> >except for "package.txt"
> 
> It is really strange, I had the chance to install it on a Win XP box
> with SP3 and where no office was installed before.
> 
> Everything works as expected ...
> 
> We need somebody with Win XP and a debugger and who is able to
> create at least a stacktrace

not that I'm taking the task here (I'm not building on Win right now),
but I wonder how do you debug this? Do you have to attach the msiexec,
the installer, ...?

Google found some pointers:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/223300
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/piyush/archive/2007/04/29/debugging-windows-installer-msi-using-visual-studio-2005.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windows_installer_team/archive/2005/09/21/471793.aspx


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [BUILD] serf openssl dependecy

2012-02-29 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann


Hi,

On 29.02.2012 05:54, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi there,

I am really busy these days, so I had no time to report this.
Building the Developer Snapshots I've found:

checking for openssl/opensslv.h... no
configure: error: We require OpenSSL; try --with-openssl
dmake:  Error code 1, while making 
'./unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/so_configured_so_serf'


Temporal solution:

a) add openssl as a dependency in serf/prj/build.lst
b) add -I$(SOLARINCDIR)$/external to the CONFIGURE_FLAGS in the makefile


The patch is attached, I don't commit it because I didn't have the time
to test with system's openssl (and I wonder how it does not break on Mac
too. On my Fedora it does not break because I happen to have the system
headers in place).




The dependency on openssl is correct - we have forgotten it.

Thus, from my point of view the attached patch is not a temporal solution - it 
is the solution.

But, I also have no possibility to test on Linux/MacOS X with system openssl.

Best regards, Oliver.

Re: Error installing AOO on Windows 7

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:40:12 +
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:37:02 +1000
> Jean Weber  wrote:
> 
> > When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on
> > Windows 7, I get the following error:
> > "Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3."
> > This is at the step when the installer is calculating space
> > requirements.
> > 
> > This happened with the previous build, too.
> 
> Jean
> 
> This thread offers a solution
> user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?
> f=15&t=48165&p=221491
> 
> You should also try a search on the Forum using 1606 as the
> search term, as there are other threads on the same error.
> 
> -- 
> Rory O'Farrell 
> 

Important: _You_ should back up your User Profile before using
the suggested fix, as I am sure you will have many customisations
in your profile.


-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: Error installing AOO on Windows 7

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:37:02 +1000
Jean Weber  wrote:

> When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on
> Windows 7, I get the following error:
> "Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3." This
> is at the step when the installer is calculating space
> requirements.
> 
> This happened with the previous build, too.

Jean

This thread offers a solution
user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?
f=15&t=48165&p=221491

You should also try a search on the Forum using 1606 as the
search term, as there are other threads on the same error.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: selling open office

2012-02-29 Thread Ross Gardler

On 28 February 2012 20:01, Donald Whytock  wrote:
> There was talk of a "Powered by AOO" logo.  Maybe this should be
> propogated up to the foundation to have an "Apache Inside" logo?

No, that is not how it (currently) works around here. Providing a
foundation wide "Apache inside" logo doesn't seem to make sense to me.
It means that huge numbers of Java applications would have "Apache
inside" because of the almost universal use of the various Commons
libraries. I can't speak for the Trademarks committee but I very much
doubt they would want to take on managing such a situation. If you
want to challenge that opinion the right place to do it is
trademarks@a.o

It is critical that AOO recognises that each project is responsible
for their own trademark management beyond the standard Apache policy.
Trademarks@ is there to provide support when necessary, but this PPMC
is responsible for day to day management. The AOO project ***needs***
"powered by" or whatever. Without one it is extremely difficult to
have satisfactory arrangements with organisations like Team OOo. The
project mentors have been saying this since the very beginning of the
project yet nobody has yet created such a logo and accompanying
policy.

I'm starting to think that the lack of a "powered by" logo and policy
might be a blocker for the 3.4 release. I'd like to hear Shanes
thoughts on this (as a mentor first, rather than as VP Trademarks).

Ross

Re: Error installing AOO on Windows 7

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 18:37, Jean Weber  wrote:
> When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on Windows 7, I
> get the following error:
> "Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3." This is at
> the step when the installer is calculating space requirements.
>
> This happened with the previous build, too.
>
> --Jean

FWIW, I got the file from here:
ftp://bircher2.nine.ch/AOO/devsnap/r1293550/en-US/OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe

--Jean

Error installing AOO on Windows 7

When I attempt to install AOO (latest developer build) on Windows 7, I
get the following error:
"Error 1606. Could not access network location OOo-dev 3." This is at
the step when the installer is calculating space requirements.

This happened with the previous build, too.

--Jean

Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle?

2012-02-29 Thread imacat

On 2012/02/29 16:07, Raphael Bircher said:
> Am 29.02.12 08:54, schrieb imacat:
>> On 2012/02/29 10:48, Raphael Bircher said:
>>> Am 29.02.12 03:09, schrieb Rob Weir:
 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Raphael Bircher
wrote:
> Am 29.02.12 01:33, schrieb Rob Weir:
> Just for information, the translations for the 3.4 should be in the AOO
> 3.4.

That would be great.  But we (zh-TW) are still not in the release
list, and we still need to revise the "Pivot Table" change.

It may not be easy to understand this issue for those whose language
version will be released.  This is a "to be or not to be" problem to us.
 Even more, a release without the localized version may be worse than no
release at all for the local community that *ALREADY* worked on it.

-- 
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Re: Unable to install AOO on a clean Windows XP

2012-02-29 Thread O.Felka


Am 27.02.2012 15:30, schrieb Raphael Bircher:

Hi at all

I'm unable to install AOO on a clean Windows XP.

ERROR: An errof occured durring registration of extensions.

We have removed Extensions. So this makes maybe problems if you have no
User Profile?

Greetings Raphael


I don't have a totally clean XP.
But I don't have problems to start it. With or without an existing user 
profile.


Regards,
Olaf

Re: How can we get OpenOffice started with Pootle?