[QA Report]Weekly report as of 2012/08/13
Hi all, I update QA weekly report in [1]. Please review [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/WeeklyReport/20120813 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
3.4.1_release_blocker granted: [Bug 120501] Starting OpenOffice with -nodefault parameter should not open the StartCenter
j...@apache.org has granted Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org's request for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 120501: Starting OpenOffice with -nodefault parameter should not open the StartCenter https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120501 --- Additional Comments from j...@apache.org set release blocker flag for 3.4.1
Re: Extensions and Templates New Features
1) Download statistics are now automatically obtained via the SourceForge API and are more reliable than the old system, in which the counters had been turned off and remained stuck for a long time Great! Is it possible to translate Timeline? In french, you could set Historique. Thanks
Re: spell checker
On 12/08/2012 Phil Hocott wrote: Since I downloaded the apache version of open office my spelling and gramer doesn't work properly so I found an old copy of open office 3.1.0 and downloaded it and everything is fine. This is a quite radical solution: version 3.1.0 is really old and misses many features and security fixes. It's better to reinstall 3.4.0 and, if you have problems with dictionaries, reset your user profile: http://s.apache.org/resetprofile Regards, Andrea.
[RELEASE][3.4.1]: propose new snapshot based on revision 1372282
Hi, after a short break I have checked the current situation and where we are. We had identified some further issues for 3.4.1 while we continued testing the latest snapshots. These issues are now fixed and I would like to propose a new snapshot build based on revision 1372282. Issues that will be fixed in this new snapshot: - OO crashes when I Print https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120389 - Remove the Browser Plug-in tab page from the Options dialog https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120518 - Starting OpenOffice with -nodefault parameter should not open the StartCenter https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120501 The last 2 issues matched not directly our criteria for blocker issues but after reviewing the issues and the fix I decided to integrate them in 3.4.1 as well. The reason for integrating the last issue is quite simple and I believe that we probably share this view. We want that AOO is used in combination with other software systems and as backend service for document conversion etc. From my point of view it make sense to integrate this fix in 3.4.1. Juergen
Re: OO Sold on eBay
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: But I am concerned that several of the auctions seem to be selling old versions of OpenOffice including 3.2 and 3.1. These earlier versions lack important security fixes and those who distribute old versions, without a warning, are putting their customers at risk. If you ask me (which you haven´t ;) this is a tempest in a teapot. Move along, nothing to see here. Which is exactly new about people selling ancient software on eBay??. In fact some might want to buy ancient software due to being a collector´s item etc. IE I bought an original version of Paint Shop Pro 5.0, released at the time of the Windows 98 release or thereabout. It turns out to be the best bitmap editor I´ve seen (for my needs), works well under WINE on Linux, and beinfg designed to run on Pentium I computers with 64-128MB of RAM, just flies in today´s hardware. Previously to that, I used Micrografx Picture Publisher 4.0 which I used for about a decade (16-bit windows 3.x app under 32-bit IBM OS/2). I don´t see Microsoft going after people selling Microsoft OS/2 1.2 on eBay or Windows 3.11 boxes or Windows 2000. Why should Apache waste time on this non-issue?. The only conceivable way Apache should be concerned is if someone labels it the latest version of Open Office and sells outdated versions instead. Is that the case here?. Just my $0.02 FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Re: [Call-For-Review] Bug 119592 [From Symphony] The left-style columns display with the same width when opening with AOO
Hi Jinlong Wu, On 21.06.2012 11:18, Jinlong Wu wrote: Hello, I have a fix for bug 119592 ( https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119592). Can anyone help to review it? Please have a look at Andre's comment. Thanks in advance, Oliver.
Re: Yes. You can do this with OpenOffice. (MysteryGuitarMan video with OpenOffice Mac)
Hi *, On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:31:46AM +0800, imacat wrote: On 2012/08/12 21:08, Ariel Constenla-Haile said: Hi, On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:55 AM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: I had posted a video reply: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJXYPG-5Bc you could use recordmydesktop / gtk-recordmydesktop / qt-recordmydesktop to capture your desktop. Thank you. I tried to use gtk-recordMyDesktop to record a new video: http://youtu.be/8Nyp7xUBXto Nice :) Strange that the sound is not recorded. ^^; This may be a big with your distro's version. AFAIK you can add it some music, once uploaded in Youtube, with Youtube's own editing tools. Or you can add audio before uploading it, with some of the tools available on Linux: from the simplest PiTiVi http://www.pitivi.org to the complex Cinelerra http://cinelerra.org/ there are many other options. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpclkSLQqwBx.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Call-for-Review] Issue 120158 [From Symphony]Time format is different than MS Office
Hi all, I have a fix to for bug 120158, please review the patch attached to: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120158 Thanks in advance. Regards - Zuojun
Re: OO Sold on eBay
On 13 August 2012 01:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Max Merbald max.merb...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I'd say it's not very fair because probably not everyone knows OOO is available for free. It's kind of weird that someone is trying to make money with something which is available for free. I wonder... is there anything that prevents one of us from offering the same thing on eBay, but at a near-zero price? For example, would it be within eBay policy to have an auction for instructions for downloading OpenOffice? Give all the same marketing plugs for features, etc., but set it as a Buy Now price of 1-cent or something. Some users want a CD, because of bandwidth limitations. But the cost of information, in this case, should be nearly zero. -Rob You might want to check out seller requirements first... http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/questions/sell-requirements.html I would think if we're willing to do this -- and set this up somehow, the answer is no unless ASF precludes this, which it might. Drew mentioned another eBay policy that said you could not sell access to downloaded software. You could only sell the media. Looking at the ebay auctions, some of them seem reasonable. $3 or $5 for a CD and packaging, shipping, etc., is not outrageous. But I am concerned that several of the auctions seem to be selling old versions of OpenOffice including 3.2 and 3.1. These earlier versions lack important security fixes and those who distribute old versions, without a warning, are putting their customers at risk. As a project we take great pains to ensure the users who download from our website get authentic versions of our software, the latest versions, not tampered with. We give the downloader ways of verifying this, with MD5 hashes and PGP signatures. But there is no current way that we can offer similar assurances to users who purchase a CD. (Anyone who thinks users will verify checksums or signatures on a CD is deluded.) Our options: 1) Do nothing. Bandwidth and access is increasing and this problem will solve itself...sometime. This would the best course, although I don't that there is a problem. Quite the opposite, it is in fact a good thing. People are thinking like proprietary software vendors, please get out of this trap. Ebay sellers are cheap promotion, they get the brand out there. People who return to those sellers do it to save bandwidth. The people who buy off them the first time but who do have bandwidth, may not do it a second time because they figure out pretty quickly that the name is a web address, or at least they used to. Also many people like dealing with a person rather than a server. The vast majority of the EBay sellers do the brand a service. Getting someone to do it on behalf of the project is just a waste of energy that could be put to better use. We would be better to promote the EBay sellers, treat them as partners rather than competitors.EBay tends to be self policing, the unscrupulous ones get bad feedback and disappear fairly quickly. If they are selling older versions, my answer to that is So what? My wife still uses 3.0 and it suits her needs perfectly. When the user decides that perhaps downloading is the better way to go then they will automatically get the latest version. Having the latest and greatest is not the be all and end all. 2) Define voluntary requirements for distributors of OpenOffice. Those who agree to these requirements would be allowed use of a special logo and would be listed on our website. More bureaucracy that is unneeded 3) One or more community members, acting outside of Apache, could organize to sell CD's on eBay at cost, and have eBay auction listings that are upfront and honest, explaining that the software is open source and can be downloaded for free. We can give the URL right in the listing. We would make it clear that the charge is only for convenience of having a CD delivered. Putting a URL in the body of the listing that allows people to circumvent the auction process is against EBay TOU. Is it worth approaching eBay with our concerns? No, because there are none - ensuring that sellers credit (and link to) the ASF They are selling OOo, that's enough credit, these people are our retailers. We, the project, do not supply the software on media, just like Heinz gets supermarkets to sell their beans rather than only supply from a Heinz shop. - ensuring that sellers provide clear information on the version supplied EBay won't do anything like that, their policing is along strict guidelines. Their actions are strictly binary: Allow or Ban. The value to EBay of
Re: OO Sold on eBay
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 August 2012 01:29, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Max Merbald max.merb...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I'd say it's not very fair because probably not everyone knows OOO is available for free. It's kind of weird that someone is trying to make money with something which is available for free. I wonder... is there anything that prevents one of us from offering the same thing on eBay, but at a near-zero price? For example, would it be within eBay policy to have an auction for instructions for downloading OpenOffice? Give all the same marketing plugs for features, etc., but set it as a Buy Now price of 1-cent or something. Some users want a CD, because of bandwidth limitations. But the cost of information, in this case, should be nearly zero. -Rob You might want to check out seller requirements first... http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/questions/sell-requirements.html I would think if we're willing to do this -- and set this up somehow, the answer is no unless ASF precludes this, which it might. Drew mentioned another eBay policy that said you could not sell access to downloaded software. You could only sell the media. Looking at the ebay auctions, some of them seem reasonable. $3 or $5 for a CD and packaging, shipping, etc., is not outrageous. But I am concerned that several of the auctions seem to be selling old versions of OpenOffice including 3.2 and 3.1. These earlier versions lack important security fixes and those who distribute old versions, without a warning, are putting their customers at risk. As a project we take great pains to ensure the users who download from our website get authentic versions of our software, the latest versions, not tampered with. We give the downloader ways of verifying this, with MD5 hashes and PGP signatures. But there is no current way that we can offer similar assurances to users who purchase a CD. (Anyone who thinks users will verify checksums or signatures on a CD is deluded.) Our options: 1) Do nothing. Bandwidth and access is increasing and this problem will solve itself...sometime. This would the best course, although I don't that there is a problem. Quite the opposite, it is in fact a good thing. People are thinking like proprietary software vendors, please get out of this trap. Ebay sellers are cheap promotion, they get the brand out there. Maybe the auction listing are different in your country, but here they are not promoting the Apache OpenOffice brand. We're seeing listings selling things like: Open Office Suite 2010 Open Office Home and Student 2010 Open Office Professional' 2010 Open Office Business and Professional This seems to be taking Microsoft Office brand elements and putting Open in front of them. I don't see this as promoting our brand. People who return to those sellers do it to save bandwidth. The people who buy off them the first time but who do have bandwidth, may not do it a second time because they figure out pretty quickly that the name is a web address, or at least they used to. Also many people like dealing with a person rather than a server. I have no objections to someone who sells a CD with the latest version of AOO. The vast majority of the EBay sellers do the brand a service. Getting someone to do it on behalf of the project is just a waste of energy that could be put to better use. We would be better to promote the EBay sellers, treat them as partners rather than competitors.EBay tends to be self policing, the unscrupulous ones get bad feedback and disappear fairly quickly. If it is worth someone else's time and effort to do this, why wouldn't it be worth my time and effort? If they are selling older versions, my answer to that is So what? My wife still uses 3.0 and it suits her needs perfectly. When the user decides that perhaps downloading is the better way to go then they will automatically get the latest version. Having the latest and greatest is not the be all and end all. The issue is when they say it is the latest version but they are really selling OOo 3.2. Maybe you are not aware of the security flaws, now publicly disclosed, in older versions of OpenOffice? 2) Define voluntary requirements for distributors of OpenOffice. Those who agree to these requirements would be allowed use of a special logo and would be listed on our website. More bureaucracy that is unneeded I think the feedback we have received from users suggests otherwise. They are looking for a trusted source of CDs. 3) One or more community members, acting outside of Apache, could organize to sell CD's on eBay at cost, and
Re: [DISCUSS] OpenOffice Track: ApacheCon Europe
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: By now everyone must be aware that the CFP system will be closing tomorrow, August 13th. We'll have an idea of what was submitted this week. In the meantime, let's have a discussion about how we want to shape our track beyond those proposals. Here's an outline to get the discussion moving... REMEMBER, this is our conference track to shape was we wish. We have a fair amount of flexibility within the overall framework of ApacheCon. At this point, let's conceive of this as a 2-day affair nested within the 4 days of ApacheCon. Keynote(s) a) PMC Chair (let's plan on graduation as a fact by early November, so we would ask our Chair to anchor the track keynote If it is a two-day conference we could have a keynote each day. The PMC Chair could be a full keynote, or even just some short welcoming remarks to open the conference. b) I/T Leader responsible for OpenOffice user communities Also known as ICT.Do we have someone in mind? c) Meetups with other projects: a) Shindig/Rave b) Chemistry c) POI,Tika, PDFbox d) ... Maybe ODF Toolkit (incubating) as well. Could be worth having a 1 hour (or 45 minute or whatever the normal session time is) to talk with each of these projects. Or could be informal. Hackathons -- topics? Social a) Fora b) National community groups: ... Other Topics? Maybe set aside 60-90 minutes for a series of 5-minute lighting talks. which could include short demos, etc., These can be fun. Maybe discussion sessions for build, install, qa, localization, web, security, marketing, UI, etc. In some cases we might have formal presentations in these areas. But where we don't, and even where we do, it might be worth having time set aside for discussion. -Rob
Re: Extensions and Templates New Features
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: 1) Download statistics are now automatically obtained via the SourceForge API and are more reliable than the old system, in which the counters had been turned off and remained stuck for a long time Great! Is it possible to translate Timeline? In french, you could set Historique. Thanks As a one-shot request it's now fixed, see: http://extensions.openoffice.org/fr http://templates.openoffice.org/fr/most_popular For the future I'd like to workout similar request via Pootle with Apache Infra, though. Of course we're open to generate all the PO files needed. Roberto -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Help updating Apache OpenOffice timeline
Remmeber this? https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/an_apache_openoffice_timeline That was in March. A lot has happened since then. 2012-05-08: Released OpenOffice 3.4 2012:05-15: 1 million downloads 2012-06-20: 5 million downloads 2012-07-31: 10 million downloads I'm sure there are some other key milestones we can put here. If you have one you would like listed, please post the date and a short label and I'll add it. Regards, -Rob
Re: Extensions and Templates New Features
Hi Roberto, On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 04:17:33PM +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote: For the future I'd like to workout similar request via Pootle with Apache Infra, though. Of course we're open to generate all the PO files needed. This would be really nice, at least to support translation for all the languages we are building; now the templates site has more translations than the extensions one, the later, for example, isn't translated into Spanish, while the former is. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgp0R4ivAuW0X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help updating Apache OpenOffice timeline
Hi, On 13.08.2012 16:25, Rob Weir wrote: Remmeber this? https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/an_apache_openoffice_timeline That was in March. A lot has happened since then. 2012-05-08: Released OpenOffice 3.4 2012:05-15: 1 million downloads 2012-06-20: 5 million downloads 2012-07-31: 10 million downloads I'm sure there are some other key milestones we can put here. If you have one you would like listed, please post the date and a short label and I'll add it. 2012-06-05 - 06-14: activation of update service for OOo 3.3 (*) 2012-07-12: activation of update service for OOo 3.2 and OOo 3.2.1 (*) * for platforms and languages for whose we have AOO 3.4 release Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Extensions and Templates New Features
On 8/13/12 4:17 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: 1) Download statistics are now automatically obtained via the SourceForge API and are more reliable than the old system, in which the counters had been turned off and remained stuck for a long time Great! Is it possible to translate Timeline? In french, you could set Historique. Thanks As a one-shot request it's now fixed, see: http://extensions.openoffice.org/fr http://templates.openoffice.org/fr/most_popular For the future I'd like to workout similar request via Pootle with Apache Infra, though. Of course we're open to generate all the PO files needed. that is a good idea and we have to analyze how it can work. But we have to solve the Pootle issue first and have to ensure that the Pootle server is running and working as expected. Currently it is not working 100% and we have to solve this issue with infra together... Juergen
Re: spell checker
Hi Phil, I had that too, at first, and I had to delete the Ooo folder in Appdata/Roaming which was probably somewhat addled. I installed Apache Openoffice again and then it worked. Max Am 12.08.2012 22:23, schrieb Phil Hocott: Since I downloaded the apache version of open office my spelling and gramer doesn't work properly so I found an old copy of open office 3.1.0 and downloaded it and everything is fine. Phil Hocott
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: propose new snapshot based on revision 1372282
On 8/13/12 10:27 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, after a short break I have checked the current situation and where we are. We had identified some further issues for 3.4.1 while we continued testing the latest snapshots. These issues are now fixed and I would like to propose a new snapshot build based on revision 1372282. Issues that will be fixed in this new snapshot: - OO crashes when I Print https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120389 - Remove the Browser Plug-in tab page from the Options dialog https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120518 - Starting OpenOffice with -nodefault parameter should not open the StartCenter https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120501 The last 2 issues matched not directly our criteria for blocker issues but after reviewing the issues and the fix I decided to integrate them in 3.4.1 as well. The reason for integrating the last issue is quite simple and I believe that we probably share this view. We want that AOO is used in combination with other software systems and as backend service for document conversion etc. From my point of view it make sense to integrate this fix in 3.4.1. The build is now available for MacOS and Windows. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds Linux upload is in progress and the wiki will be updated asap when the builds are available. Juergen
Importing pics to text on openoffice 3.4
When I import a pic into my text on 3.4, I am unable to move it around, or to WRAP my text around the pic. My previous version of openoffice gave me a lot of flxibility when integrating pics with text. I tried the forum without success. When I click on ANCHOR, the options are all grayed out; when I click on WRAP, all options are grayed out except EDIT Contour. Do you have any resolution to this problem.
Re: Importing pics to text on openoffice 3.4
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Eric Klassen eric.klas...@gmail.comwrote: When I import a pic into my text on 3.4, I am unable to move it around, or to WRAP my text around the pic. My previous version of openoffice gave me a lot of flxibility when integrating pics with text. I tried the forum without success. When I click on ANCHOR, the options are all grayed out; when I click on WRAP, all options are grayed out except EDIT Contour. Do you have any resolution to this problem. Ok just saw your question on the forum. So just to understand what you have done: 1) Go Insert - Image - From file... select the image an image and want to align it, correct? Is this image on the page header by any chance? Right clicking on the image will show you the Picture dialog box, on the Anchor section it will list you different options: 1) To Page 2) To Paragraph 3) To Character 4) As character This will help you arange your image more precise according to your needs. When you find the closest please use the Position criteria to adjust it in relation with the other objects of the document, like text, other images, or page. Here is more information on how to work yourself around the document. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Arranging_anchoring_aligning Here is another tutorial: http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2009/01/how-to-insert-graphics-in-openoffice-writer-that-are-reasonably-manageable.html
Re: Yes. You can do this with OpenOffice. (MysteryGuitarMan video with OpenOffice Mac)
Hello! This was too much challenge for me so my CalcTV is a bit unfinnished (-; But compared to PixelMatrix i think using Cell styles may be a bit faster than lookup table? Dont know if attachment is OK but I try to send small spreadsheet. Greetings Risto 11.08.2012 01:06, Andreas Säger kirjoitti: Am 10.08.2012 02:24, Rob Weir wrote: And here is the behind the scenes video that explains how he did it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PCTinsZ7dM Having a video converter which creates the coarse pixel frames, all you need is one matrix of color values per frame and script to dump them into the Calc document. Matrix of 16 colors calculated from 32x32 random values: http://www.mediafire.com/file/zfw69gddrcwacoc/PixelMatrix.ods CalcTV.ods Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet
Re: Need MWiki Admin assistance to correct Google Analytics code
No response to this note or BZ issue :-( https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I'm told that we have only two people who have sys admin access to the wiki: imacat and Raphael. I appreciate that we're all busy with many other things, but I'd greatly appreciate it if this change can be made. It should be easy since Google Analytics is already integrated. We just need to update the account codes. Thanks! -Rob On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I need some help, from a MWiki admin, to fix the issue reported here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I tried a JIRA issue with Infra, but they said that our admins need to handle this. I'd be happy to do this myself, but I don't have permissions. Thanks! -Rob
Re: [Draft] The Public Service Mission of OpenOffice
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Jürgen, *, On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 07:47:42AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 7/17/12 6:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to see if we can agree on a statement along these lines. I think it is important that we show how our project aligns with Apache's overall mission, which the apache.org home page phrases as: provides support for the Apache community of open-source software projects, which provide software products for the public good. I think we do and always have been strongly aligned with this goal. But still, sometimes, we're questioned about our emphasis on distributing binaries, or seeking support for items related to distributing binaries. In some ways we're the oddball at Apache, being the only prominent end-user facing project. So I think it will help if we can express in clear terms how what we are doing is in fact for the public good, and our aims and achievements are at least as noble as what any other Apache project can claim. Well I am still getting caught up from a while back and reviewing this post. I think the wiki page is very good as it stands and this this information should be incorporated on the project web page at least, may be directly under the What is OpenOffice section, a new section The Public Service Mission, or, if we want to remain flexible, make it into a page that we can use to link from other areas -- the main www.openoffice.org. We have this old about.html page, http://www.openoffice.org/about/ that is currently linked from the project web site. I think this mission information should be included on that. Yes/no? to any of these suggestions. I totally agree and that is of course the most annoying point here at Apache for me. But that is another topic and not for this thread. I guess it is because in Apache, so far, the idea was to provide software for the public good in form of source, for others to build their solutions upon. In OpenOffice's case, distributing binaries is also for the public good, not only for the reason mentioned by Rob, but mainly because OpenOffice provides a way to build your solution on top of its binary distribution with extensions, without needing to compile the source yourself, nor learn/modify a single line of code. This is a good point. I remember reading, years ago, in a magazine called Computer Languages (now defunct) about a survey they did of corporate programmers, seeing what the most popular programming language was. This was 1992 or so. The answer was not C, not COBOL, but the 1-2-3 Macro language. Today maybe such a survey would say Javascript? But the meaning is clear;: there are more application developers than system developers. And more script developers than application developers. The closer you get to end user programming the larger your audience is and the more people you are helping. You could think of the spreadsheet itself as support end-user programming. So it would be nice to have some numbers about extensions in Rob's paper (of course, we can only measure extensions on the extension's site; this will not include all the people builder their solutions in a commercial way). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina -- MzK Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think. -- Niels Bohr
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: propose new snapshot based on revision 1372282
Hi Jürgen, * On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: The build is now available for MacOS and Windows. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds Linux upload is in progress and the wiki will be updated asap when the builds are available. Full install sets for en-US and language packs for all supported languages (Linux 32 and 64 bits) are uploaded and listed on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/f8KoAQ I'll remove r1369110, it's 12 GB and I still need to upload all full install sets (ca. 10.4 GB) and I'm not sure if there is a quota at people.apache.org. I'll keep r1369843. Regards.
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: propose new snapshot based on revision 1372282
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.orgwrote: Hi Jürgen, * On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: The build is now available for MacOS and Windows. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds Linux upload is in progress and the wiki will be updated asap when the builds are available. Full install sets for en-US and language packs for all supported languages (Linux 32 and 64 bits) are uploaded and listed on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/f8KoAQ I'll remove r1369110, it's 12 GB and I still need to upload all full install sets (ca. 10.4 GB) and I'm not sure if there is a quota at people.apache.org. I'll keep r1369843. Regards. Thanks Ariel...I will download this now to check out. -- MzK Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think. -- Niels Bohr
Re: [Draft] The Public Service Mission of OpenOffice
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Jürgen, *, On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 07:47:42AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 7/17/12 6:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to see if we can agree on a statement along these lines. I think it is important that we show how our project aligns with Apache's overall mission, which the apache.org home page phrases as: provides support for the Apache community of open-source software projects, which provide software products for the public good. I think we do and always have been strongly aligned with this goal. But still, sometimes, we're questioned about our emphasis on distributing binaries, or seeking support for items related to distributing binaries. In some ways we're the oddball at Apache, being the only prominent end-user facing project. So I think it will help if we can express in clear terms how what we are doing is in fact for the public good, and our aims and achievements are at least as noble as what any other Apache project can claim. Well I am still getting caught up from a while back and reviewing this post. I think the wiki page is very good as it stands and this this information should be incorporated on the project web page at least, may be directly under the What is OpenOffice section, a new section The Public Service Mission, or, if we want to remain flexible, make it into a page that we can use to link from other areas -- the main www.openoffice.org. We have this old about.html page, http://www.openoffice.org/about/ that is currently linked from the project web site. I think this mission information should be included on that. Yes/no? to any of these suggestions. I have it here, on this page, but it is not linked to from anything yet: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mission.html It might work well to publicize this once we graduate. But no objections to using it earlier. -Rob I totally agree and that is of course the most annoying point here at Apache for me. But that is another topic and not for this thread. I guess it is because in Apache, so far, the idea was to provide software for the public good in form of source, for others to build their solutions upon. In OpenOffice's case, distributing binaries is also for the public good, not only for the reason mentioned by Rob, but mainly because OpenOffice provides a way to build your solution on top of its binary distribution with extensions, without needing to compile the source yourself, nor learn/modify a single line of code. This is a good point. I remember reading, years ago, in a magazine called Computer Languages (now defunct) about a survey they did of corporate programmers, seeing what the most popular programming language was. This was 1992 or so. The answer was not C, not COBOL, but the 1-2-3 Macro language. Today maybe such a survey would say Javascript? But the meaning is clear;: there are more application developers than system developers. And more script developers than application developers. The closer you get to end user programming the larger your audience is and the more people you are helping. You could think of the spreadsheet itself as support end-user programming. So it would be nice to have some numbers about extensions in Rob's paper (of course, we can only measure extensions on the extension's site; this will not include all the people builder their solutions in a commercial way). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina -- MzK Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think. -- Niels Bohr
Re: Need MWiki Admin assistance to correct Google Analytics code
On 8/13/2012 17:20, Dave Fisher wrote: On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote: No response to this note or BZ issue :-( https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I'm told that we have only two people who have sys admin access to the wiki: imacat and Raphael. I appreciate that we're all busy with many other things, but I'd greatly appreciate it if this change can be made. It should be easy since Google Analytics is already integrated. We just need to update the account codes. I am also looking for help from the MWiki Admin to complete the activation of wiki.openoffice.org. It looks like the ATS code needs to recognize the URL (or MWiki does). The httpd config is simple so the trouble is not there. Regards, Dave Dave, AFAIK, Mwiki is only listening on 127.0.0.1, or some such, with ATS on the other end. I know of no one with ATS expertise (I would like to complain about stale pages), but it /is/ an active Apache project ... /tj/ Thanks! -Rob On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I need some help, from a MWiki admin, to fix the issue reported here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I tried a JIRA issue with Infra, but they said that our admins need to handle this. I'd be happy to do this myself, but I don't have permissions. Thanks! -Rob
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: propose new snapshot based on revision 1372282
Thanks, I'll continue RC build testing, the result will be updated to [1] timely. [1]http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/AOO341_RC_TestResult 2012/8/14 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.orgwrote: Hi Jürgen, * On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: The build is now available for MacOS and Windows. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds Linux upload is in progress and the wiki will be updated asap when the builds are available. Full install sets for en-US and language packs for all supported languages (Linux 32 and 64 bits) are uploaded and listed on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/f8KoAQ I'll remove r1369110, it's 12 GB and I still need to upload all full install sets (ca. 10.4 GB) and I'm not sure if there is a quota at people.apache.org. I'll keep r1369843. Regards. Thanks Ariel...I will download this now to check out. -- MzK Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think. -- Niels Bohr -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
Re: Need MWiki Admin assistance to correct Google Analytics code
On Aug 13, 2012, at 4:39 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: On 8/13/2012 17:20, Dave Fisher wrote: On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote: No response to this note or BZ issue :-( https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I'm told that we have only two people who have sys admin access to the wiki: imacat and Raphael. I appreciate that we're all busy with many other things, but I'd greatly appreciate it if this change can be made. It should be easy since Google Analytics is already integrated. We just need to update the account codes. I am also looking for help from the MWiki Admin to complete the activation of wiki.openoffice.org. It looks like the ATS code needs to recognize the URL (or MWiki does). The httpd config is simple so the trouble is not there. Regards, Dave Dave, AFAIK, Mwiki is only listening on 127.0.0.1, or some such, with ATS on the other end. I know of no one with ATS expertise (I would like to complain about stale pages), but it /is/ an active Apache project ... BTW - The MWiki now answers to wiki.openoffice.org. wiki.services.openoffice.org, doc.services.openoffice.org and ooo-wiki.apache.org are all redirected to wiki.openoffice.org. This all happens in DNS and Apache Traffic Server. Please describe the stale page problem. Regards, Dave /tj/ Thanks! -Rob On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I need some help, from a MWiki admin, to fix the issue reported here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I tried a JIRA issue with Infra, but they said that our admins need to handle this. I'd be happy to do this myself, but I don't have permissions. Thanks! -Rob
Re: request for enchancement of the define name function in calc
If the defined name is correctly set, formula calculation result will be corrected. So it is a formula issue and also a defined name issue. 2012/8/13 shzh zhao aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com I think it is a formula issue and not belong to name scope range. 2012/8/10 Jianyuan Li lijianyuan1...@gmail.com Hi, Wang Lei, Below is my clarification for issue https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119565. Comment is also added in Bugzilla. In Excel 2003 define a defined name as =Sheet1!$D$3:$D$5,Sheet1!$B$3:$B$5. In this defined name, a union operator(Excel uses , and AOO uses ~) is used to form a union area. This defined name will be passed into a formula SUM. Import them in AOO, by Excel 2003 filter the union operator will be translated into ; which is an old union operator. And SUM will take it as a parameter separator. So the SUM result seems correct while it is not in AOO. Union operator should be set as ~ in defined name in AOO. But a fix in Excel 2003 filter is not reasonable because: 1. Defined name with union(OO uses ;) created in lower version OO(OOo2.4.3) still cannot be imported correctly even if a fix is patched in Excel 2003 filter. 2. I have checked this formula =SUM((B3:B5,D3:D5))(union directly used) created in Excel 2003. It will be imported as =SUM((B3:B5~D3:D5)) which is correct. While Excel 2003 filter still imports the union as ;. But as last it is ~. Core function must does something which a hint to fix union issue in defined name. So please take consideration for it in the enhancement. Regards, Jianyuan 2012/8/8 Lei Wang lei.wang.l...@gmail.com Hi Regina I saw your comments in https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120478 It is glad to know that ODF1.2 support sheet scoped defined name. It is very important to comply with ODF1.2. So our plan will be changed to Step 1, support interoperability with sheet scoped defined name in Excel. Because the solution is ready. it is our first priority. Step 2, support loading and saving ods file for sheet scoped defined name. We will put it in our AOO3.5 plan. Step 3, support create sheet scoped defined name in GUI in AOO. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi shzh zhao, there is no need for modifying ODF, named-expressions with scope on one sheet are already specified and LibreOffice reads and writes such documents. I think the order should be the other way round. First make AOO read and write such named-expressions in ODF and then improve the import and export filter. Kind regards Regina shzh zhao schrieb: hi, here is an interoperability issue in Aoo. When loading VBA that contains defined name in Aoo, the names are changed to a new one if the name is limited in a worksheet in MS office.This will cause big problem. After my investigation,I found it is an limitation of Aoo. Because MS Excel 2003 can support worksheet scope defined name. but it can't be set in UI. and Excel 2007 can define duplicate name for different sheet in its name manager dialog. When AOO loading a xlsx/xls file which has duplicated defined name, AOO will only change the name to a unique one. But any other place which uses the defined name is not changed, this is the root cause. this enchancement will be completed in 2 steps. in Currently step, just focus on the interoperability of MS defined name.,and not modify the ODF file format. if MS office defined range names with a sheet or a work book,import it in Aoo, make the name of work book in the original,but with a flag of global name,for example,the name is Name_1,it will be Name_1 as before in the define name dialog. make the name of work sheet to the original,but with a flag of sheet name,for example,the name is Name_1,it will be Name_1 (sheet 1) in the define name dialog if the name is defined in the sheet 1. here is the issue link: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=120478 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120478 -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles
