Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot base don revision r1400866

[jan iversen]

Juergen:

could we use the snapshot build as basis for a branch where I can start
working (and can you do it) ?

Jan.


On 25 October 2012 07:21, Ji Yan  wrote:

> I'm downloading windows and mac install package and will do BVT and general
> testing against it.
>
> 2012/10/24 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > a new snapshot build is available for MacOS and Windows. Linux will be
> > available later.
> >
> > See
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
> >
> > I have called it 3.5 snapshot but we haven't really confirmed if our
> > next release will be a 3.5 or 4.0. That can be discussed and decided
> > when we have finalized our plans.
> >
> > The snapshot is build on top of revision r1400866.
> >
> > I have provided full install set for all supported languages and a
> > further language pack for en-US + the SDK and src release.
> >
> > Supported languages are: ar cs da de en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it ja
> > km ko nb nl pt-BR ru sk sl zh-CN zh-TW
> >
> > @Ariel: I have changed columns in the wiki and moved MacOS before Linux,
> > it makes it easier for me ;-)
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
>

Re: [PROPOSAL] "difficulty" field for Bugzilla

[Herbert Duerr]

On 24.10.2012 21:08, Rob Weir wrote:

As you have probably noticed, I'm engaged in a variety of initiatives
to grow the community, bring in more volunteers, etc.  One additional
piece that I think would be useful is to add a new field to Bugzilla
to indicate the difficulty level of the bug.  Of course, this will
often not be known.  But in some cases, we do know, and where we do
know we can indicate this.

What this allows us to do is then have search filters that return only
open easy bugs.  These are ideal for new developer volunteers on the
project who are looking for items that match their lesser familiarity
with the code.  It also allows a developer to step up to more
challenging bugs over time.


FWIW there is a keyword "easy2dev" http://s.apache.org/easy2dev_open 
that was used to mark "easy to develop" issues.



If there are no objections, I'll add a new field to Bugzilla called
"cf_difficulty_level", and which a drop down UI with the following
choices:

UNKNOWN (default)
TRIVIAL
EASY
MODERATE
HARD
WIZARD

(I'm certainly open to variations on the names)


Using a separate field and getting rid of the easy2dev keyword is a good 
idea. I agree with Regina on the level naming and I also like Dennis' 
logarithmic scale idea.


I'd also like to point out that there are several dimensions to it:
- the difficulty from a language/debugging-skills standpoint
- the difficulty for any developer new to the codebase

E.g. UNO is rarely used outside of the OpenOffice ecosystem. Using UNO's 
multiple inheritance feature to write alternatives to existing old-style 
interfaces might be a very challenging task for newcomers but a trivial 
task to someone familiar with these concepts.


Herbert

Re: Directory main/swext/mediawiki

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:17 PM, jan iversen  wrote:
> Roberto:
>
> I cannot tell if the problem is in the extension, but the behavior is as
> follow:
>
> 1) I do a "confgure --with-lang --enable-wiki-publisher"
> IT WORKS.
>
> 2) I do a "configure --enable-wiki-publisher"
>I get the license problem
>
> 3) I modify description.xml and remove the tag , and
> rebuilt/reinstall main/swext/mediawiki
>IT WORKS.
>
> So, please excuse me, but it seems to me that the extension do have a
> problem, or ???


The Extensions site justs hosts extensions, it doesn't know which
options have been using to compile them, and the latest version was
loaded by Sun and it's likely that who did it is not part of this
project anymore.

The build issues is definitely a good question, hope someone on
ooo-dev can answer you on that.

Roberto


> rgds
> Jan I.
>
> On 24 October 2012 12:52, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:49 AM, jan iversen 
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > I have not sent a specific request to you, but asked it as a general
>> > question (because I did not know who to ask).
>> >
>> > In the meantime, I found out that the sources in swext/mediawiki  are in
>> > use, so I have compiled AOO with --enable-wiki-publisher.
>>
>>
>> As far as I know
>> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/wikipublisher is based on
>> 2009 source code, and it has not been updated since.
>> >
>> > Now my only problem is that, when I install the ocx via extension
>> manager,
>> > I get a dialog box, stating that there might be a problem with
>> > "description.xml" because there is a license problem.
>> >
>> > I have tried to configure --with-lang="en", and rebuilt AOO, but that
>> does
>> > not seem to help.
>>
>> I have no clue about why you get warnings, but I'm pretty sure this is
>> not related to Extensions.
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>> >
>> > So if you have an idea I would be thankfull.
>> >
>> > Are you working with the mediawiki sources, because the reason I do this
>> > was to fix a couple of problems I have found.
>> >
>> > Jan.
>> >
>> > On 23 October 2012 10:06, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM, jan iversen 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I have looked for a newer source, since it was moved, but our own
>> >> > extensions has a broken link and sourceForge does not offer any help.
>> Any
>> >> > ideas ??
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Jan,
>> >>
>> >>  I don't think I've received any request from you, please let me know
>> >> what's the problem, and I'll do my best to help you.
>> >>
>> >> Roberto
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > It is a sun part, so we should have "inherited" it or not ?
>> >> >
>> >> > jan.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 20 October 2012 23:52, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM, jan iversen <
>> jancasacon...@gmail.com
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I am a bit confused.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We have a directory named "main/swext/mediawiki".
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is that the "sun wiki publisher 1.1" or are there 2 different
>> >> mediawiki
>> >> >> > export extensions ?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I ask because I "sun wiki publisher 1.1" installed, but if I change
>> >> the
>> >> >> XLS
>> >> >> > and rebuilt AOO but it does not seem to have an effect.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes I think it was started on core, and then sent to a separate
>> >> extensions.
>> >> >> Same thing happened with smarttags IIRC.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Either I make a wrong assumption or life is not so simple as I
>> would
>> >> it
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > be :-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > thanks in advance.
>> >> >> > jan.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
>> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>> --
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Re: Directory main/swext/mediawiki

[jan iversen]

Hi

I know the extensions does just thatI have not been using the site (now
I get the confusion). In the AOO source tree there is a directory "swext"
that contains the Wiki publisher source code.

I will make a bug report, and give my solution as a patch.

have a nice day
jan.

On 25 October 2012 10:25, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:17 PM, jan iversen 
> wrote:
> > Roberto:
> >
> > I cannot tell if the problem is in the extension, but the behavior is as
> > follow:
> >
> > 1) I do a "confgure --with-lang --enable-wiki-publisher"
> > IT WORKS.
> >
> > 2) I do a "configure --enable-wiki-publisher"
> >I get the license problem
> >
> > 3) I modify description.xml and remove the tag , and
> > rebuilt/reinstall main/swext/mediawiki
> >IT WORKS.
> >
> > So, please excuse me, but it seems to me that the extension do have a
> > problem, or ???
>
>
> The Extensions site justs hosts extensions, it doesn't know which
> options have been using to compile them, and the latest version was
> loaded by Sun and it's likely that who did it is not part of this
> project anymore.
>
> The build issues is definitely a good question, hope someone on
> ooo-dev can answer you on that.
>
> Roberto
>
>
> > rgds
> > Jan I.
> >
> > On 24 October 2012 12:52, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:49 AM, jan iversen 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > I have not sent a specific request to you, but asked it as a general
> >> > question (because I did not know who to ask).
> >> >
> >> > In the meantime, I found out that the sources in swext/mediawiki  are
> in
> >> > use, so I have compiled AOO with --enable-wiki-publisher.
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as I know
> >> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/wikipublisher is based on
> >> 2009 source code, and it has not been updated since.
> >> >
> >> > Now my only problem is that, when I install the ocx via extension
> >> manager,
> >> > I get a dialog box, stating that there might be a problem with
> >> > "description.xml" because there is a license problem.
> >> >
> >> > I have tried to configure --with-lang="en", and rebuilt AOO, but that
> >> does
> >> > not seem to help.
> >>
> >> I have no clue about why you get warnings, but I'm pretty sure this is
> >> not related to Extensions.
> >>
> >> Roberto
> >>
> >> >
> >> > So if you have an idea I would be thankfull.
> >> >
> >> > Are you working with the mediawiki sources, because the reason I do
> this
> >> > was to fix a couple of problems I have found.
> >> >
> >> > Jan.
> >> >
> >> > On 23 October 2012 10:06, Roberto Galoppini 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM, jan iversen <
> jancasacon...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > I have looked for a newer source, since it was moved, but our own
> >> >> > extensions has a broken link and sourceForge does not offer any
> help.
> >> Any
> >> >> > ideas ??
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Jan,
> >> >>
> >> >>  I don't think I've received any request from you, please let me know
> >> >> what's the problem, and I'll do my best to help you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Roberto
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is a sun part, so we should have "inherited" it or not ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > jan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 20 October 2012 23:52, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM, jan iversen <
> >> jancasacon...@gmail.com
> >> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I am a bit confused.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > We have a directory named "main/swext/mediawiki".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Is that the "sun wiki publisher 1.1" or are there 2 different
> >> >> mediawiki
> >> >> >> > export extensions ?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I ask because I "sun wiki publisher 1.1" installed, but if I
> change
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> XLS
> >> >> >> > and rebuilt AOO but it does not seem to have an effect.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes I think it was started on core, and then sent to a separate
> >> >> extensions.
> >> >> >> Same thing happened with smarttags IIRC.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Either I make a wrong assumption or life is not so simple as I
> >> would
> >> >> it
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > be :-)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > thanks in advance.
> >> >> >> > jan.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
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Re: svn update, simple question.

[Herbert Duerr]

On 24.10.2012 18:54, jan iversen wrote:

If I do a "svn update trunk" (I have all sources stored in directory
trunk", do I then need to run configure again ???


In most cases you don't need to run configure again.


my system seems to be spinning, after "svn update" I cannot run "build" in
the single directories that all worked before "svn update".

Simple question, hopefully simple answer :-)


The most simple answer is: do a clean build :-/

A less simple answer is in the rules of thumb below:

1. if the configure.in file was modified you need to run "autoconf", 
then "configure", and so on. Best in a new shell because they 
communicate with environment variables


2. if dependencies to external libraries were updated you need to run 
"bootstrap" again


3. if the interfaces of some modules changed then going into 
instsetoo_native and running "build --all" is recommended. There are 
issues with that though [1] that the buildbots suffer from in their 
"incremental builds" (as opposed to their "clean builds").


If there were not too many revisions since the last update then the 
chance that none of the points above apply is reasonable and not even 
the "build --all" is needed. It doesn't take too long though and is 
usually worth the time.


This all shows that building AOO is still quite challenging. Making it 
easier and less error-prone is a very worthwhile goal, even if in 
practice this goal often loses against "let's add a new feature", 
"freshen up the UI" or even "fix a bug".


[1] http://markmail.org/thread/wmlhc5f5zaiiyu2o

Herbert

Re: svn update, simple question.

[jan iversen]

Thanks for the information.

Now I know what I did wrong, I did run configure again but not in a new
shell (forgot the environment variables).

I think the real hazzle is to understand the process, once you get the
initial build done and understand a bit about the build/makefiles it is
pretty clean.

I worked in another project, where the build required you to open 3 shells,
and start different commands at different stages, that was challenging
compared to this :-)

have a nice day.
jan I.

On 25 October 2012 11:03, Herbert Duerr  wrote:

> On 24.10.2012 18:54, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> If I do a "svn update trunk" (I have all sources stored in directory
>> trunk", do I then need to run configure again ???
>>
>
> In most cases you don't need to run configure again.
>
>
>  my system seems to be spinning, after "svn update" I cannot run "build" in
>> the single directories that all worked before "svn update".
>>
>> Simple question, hopefully simple answer :-)
>>
>
> The most simple answer is: do a clean build :-/
>
> A less simple answer is in the rules of thumb below:
>
> 1. if the configure.in file was modified you need to run "autoconf", then
> "configure", and so on. Best in a new shell because they communicate with
> environment variables
>
> 2. if dependencies to external libraries were updated you need to run
> "bootstrap" again
>
> 3. if the interfaces of some modules changed then going into
> instsetoo_native and running "build --all" is recommended. There are issues
> with that though [1] that the buildbots suffer from in their "incremental
> builds" (as opposed to their "clean builds").
>
> If there were not too many revisions since the last update then the chance
> that none of the points above apply is reasonable and not even the "build
> --all" is needed. It doesn't take too long though and is usually worth the
> time.
>
> This all shows that building AOO is still quite challenging. Making it
> easier and less error-prone is a very worthwhile goal, even if in practice
> this goal often loses against "let's add a new feature", "freshen up the
> UI" or even "fix a bug".
>
> [1] 
> http://markmail.org/thread/**wmlhc5f5zaiiyu2o
>
> Herbert
>

[QA] [CALLFORREVIEW] [testuno] Create/Remove Drawing Objects in spreadsheet.

[Bin Guo]

Hi All,

One UNO API script for spreadsheet has been submitted as a bug 121273 in
BugZilla.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121273

This patch including:
1. Create a spreadsheet file.
2. Add shape.
3. Save file as ODF/MSBinary format.
4. Close and reopen file. -> Check the shape added and shape type.
5. Remove shape.
6. Save file as ODF/MSBinary format.
7. Close and reopen file. -> Check the shape removed.

Please help on reivew it.

Thank you,
Bin Guo

Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot base don revision r1400866

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 10/25/12 9:04 AM, jan iversen wrote:
> Juergen:
> 
> could we use the snapshot build as basis for a branch where I can start
> working (and can you do it) ?

I am not sure if I get it, do you mean we should create a branch based
on the same version?

Juergen


> 
> Jan.
> 
> 
> On 25 October 2012 07:21, Ji Yan  wrote:
> 
>> I'm downloading windows and mac install package and will do BVT and general
>> testing against it.
>>
>> 2012/10/24 Jürgen Schmidt 
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> a new snapshot build is available for MacOS and Windows. Linux will be
>>> available later.
>>>
>>> See
>>>
>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
>>>
>>> I have called it 3.5 snapshot but we haven't really confirmed if our
>>> next release will be a 3.5 or 4.0. That can be discussed and decided
>>> when we have finalized our plans.
>>>
>>> The snapshot is build on top of revision r1400866.
>>>
>>> I have provided full install set for all supported languages and a
>>> further language pack for en-US + the SDK and src release.
>>>
>>> Supported languages are: ar cs da de en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it ja
>>> km ko nb nl pt-BR ru sk sl zh-CN zh-TW
>>>
>>> @Ariel: I have changed columns in the wiki and moved MacOS before Linux,
>>> it makes it easier for me ;-)
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
>>
> 

Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot base don revision r1400866

[jan iversen]

Sorry for expressing it badly.

Yes I do mean a branch based on the same version, because with the snapshot
we know the state of the whole source (at least it is compileable).

Jan.

On 25 October 2012 11:28, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 10/25/12 9:04 AM, jan iversen wrote:
> > Juergen:
> >
> > could we use the snapshot build as basis for a branch where I can start
> > working (and can you do it) ?
>
> I am not sure if I get it, do you mean we should create a branch based
> on the same version?
>
> Juergen
>
>
> >
> > Jan.
> >
> >
> > On 25 October 2012 07:21, Ji Yan  wrote:
> >
> >> I'm downloading windows and mac install package and will do BVT and
> general
> >> testing against it.
> >>
> >> 2012/10/24 Jürgen Schmidt 
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> a new snapshot build is available for MacOS and Windows. Linux will be
> >>> available later.
> >>>
> >>> See
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
> >>>
> >>> I have called it 3.5 snapshot but we haven't really confirmed if our
> >>> next release will be a 3.5 or 4.0. That can be discussed and decided
> >>> when we have finalized our plans.
> >>>
> >>> The snapshot is build on top of revision r1400866.
> >>>
> >>> I have provided full install set for all supported languages and a
> >>> further language pack for en-US + the SDK and src release.
> >>>
> >>> Supported languages are: ar cs da de en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it
> ja
> >>> km ko nb nl pt-BR ru sk sl zh-CN zh-TW
> >>>
> >>> @Ariel: I have changed columns in the wiki and moved MacOS before
> Linux,
> >>> it makes it easier for me ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Juergen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

[RGB ES]

2012/10/25 Graham Lauder 

> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:46 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Nobody made Michael Acevedo the official artist, but a mailing list
> vote
> > > approved his logo as the Apache OpenOffice logo for the 3.4.x series
> (at
> > > that time, we believed that the version after 3.4.x would be 4.x). So,
> > > again: for 3.4 and all official communication in 3.4 the reference logo
> > is
> > > that one, and not something that is 95% similar to it or that tweaks
> > > colors/fonts. We must be consistent. This is the reason why we cannot
> use
> > > your SVG version now.
> > >
> > > But it is understood, as Graham wrote, that this is a temporary
> solution.
> > > For future releases we are free to adopt any new logo, having a
> > similarity
> > > to the current one anywhere between 0% and 100%, and since we are not
> > under
> > > pressure at the moment we can explore possibilities for a full
> > rebranding:
> > > logo, site, palette, icons... If we go for a full rebranding, it is
> good
> > to
> > > make it coincident with the 4.0 release since it would be easier to
> > > communicate and less suspicious to users.
> > >
> >
> > +1.
> >
> > 4.0 is the time for a full rebranding, not before. Of course we need to
> > start with this sooner than later, but IMO it is not urgent.
> >
> > Regards
> > Ricardo
> >
>
> Disagree completely, a rebrand is not a trivial matter, that can be knocked
> up in a weekend.  We are marketing a consumer space product and therefore a
> lot of preparation needs to be done including researching our endusers.
>

I'm not saying that rebranding is a trivial matter: I'm just saying that
4.0 is the time for rebranding and not before. As Kevin noted, we can go on
for now just updating what we have but of course we need to have everything
in place before 4.0 is released. And the best way to have everything in
place at the right time is to start *right now*... but without making a
storm on a teacup: Usually, the "sense of urgency" goes against "good
creativity".

I too want a "shiny and new package", and I prefer to have everything ready
with plenty of time as you do. We fully agree on this.

Let's see Kevin's (and other's!) proposal.

Regards
Ricardo



>
>  Right now the Marketing, Art and UX  people in the project are a miniscule
> in number.  It has been difficult to inspire people to join the project
> because it was seen as "same old, same old".  A whole lot of developers
> trying desperately not to change anything right down to keeping the old
> Oracle Logo.  Whether this impression is right or wrong is not the point,
> to get people excited we need to get moving on the process so that people
> can see that there is something in the project worth putting some work
> into.
>
> Rob asked an excellent question some time back "Where are the next 100
> million users coming from"  I've asked the same question myself in the
> past, as have others.  Ian Lynch took the bull by the horns and took it to
> the educationalists in the US and schools in the EU, Drew (IIRC, my memory
> is rubbish correct me if I'm wrong) went after Librarians. There are other
> avenues but at the end of the day we need the consumers talking about the
> product.
>
> Joe Brockmeier did a session on Marketing OSS at LCA a few years back, I
> asked him the same question or at least a variation on the theme.  His
> short answer was "You've got almost a monopoly in the Linux space, so what
> the hell are you doing here?  But in any case you have get the great
> unwashed to talk about it, and to do that give 'em something shiny and
> new."
>
> We have something shiny and new!  Now what we have to do is package it like
> it is shiny and new and that is not something that you do in five minutes.
> I would rather be ready months early for the launch of 4.0 than have a last
> minute panic that ends in a half baked result.  We want people talking
> about the new brand not sniggering about a lost opportunity.
>
> The 4.0 branding will define this project and the product for years to come
> and should therefore be done with an effort that reflects that
> responsibility.  The next 100 million will thank us for the effort or stay
> away in droves if we look as if we didn't bother too much.
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >   Andrea.
> > >
> >
>

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

[Ian Lynch]

On 25 October 2012 10:36, RGB ES  wrote:

> 2012/10/25 Graham Lauder 
>
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:46 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Nobody made Michael Acevedo the official artist, but a mailing list
> > vote
> > > > approved his logo as the Apache OpenOffice logo for the 3.4.x series
> > (at
> > > > that time, we believed that the version after 3.4.x would be 4.x).
> So,
> > > > again: for 3.4 and all official communication in 3.4 the reference
> logo
> > > is
> > > > that one, and not something that is 95% similar to it or that tweaks
> > > > colors/fonts. We must be consistent. This is the reason why we cannot
> > use
> > > > your SVG version now.
> > > >
> > > > But it is understood, as Graham wrote, that this is a temporary
> > solution.
> > > > For future releases we are free to adopt any new logo, having a
> > > similarity
> > > > to the current one anywhere between 0% and 100%, and since we are not
> > > under
> > > > pressure at the moment we can explore possibilities for a full
> > > rebranding:
> > > > logo, site, palette, icons... If we go for a full rebranding, it is
> > good
> > > to
> > > > make it coincident with the 4.0 release since it would be easier to
> > > > communicate and less suspicious to users.
> > > >
> > >
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > 4.0 is the time for a full rebranding, not before. Of course we need to
> > > start with this sooner than later, but IMO it is not urgent.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Ricardo
> > >
> >
> > Disagree completely, a rebrand is not a trivial matter, that can be
> knocked
> > up in a weekend.  We are marketing a consumer space product and
> therefore a
> > lot of preparation needs to be done including researching our endusers.
> >
>
> I'm not saying that rebranding is a trivial matter: I'm just saying that
> 4.0 is the time for rebranding and not before. As Kevin noted, we can go on
> for now just updating what we have but of course we need to have everything
> in place before 4.0 is released. And the best way to have everything in
> place at the right time is to start *right now*... but without making a
> storm on a teacup: Usually, the "sense of urgency" goes against "good
> creativity".
>
> I too want a "shiny and new package", and I prefer to have everything ready
> with plenty of time as you do. We fully agree on this.
>
> Let's see Kevin's (and other's!) proposal.
>

Rob already suggested a competition. I think that is a good idea and I can
help organise it but I don't want to put a lot of time into that if it is
not going to be considered a likely way forward. Marketing should not
distract code developers from their input as it is an inefficient use of
resources.

Regards
> Ricardo


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Re: apache2.conf file for openoffice.org server.

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 25.10.12 12:48, schrieb jan iversen:
> Hi
>
> In order to test web page changes offline, I am configuring my own apache
> server, and would like to see the configuration of the
> openoffice.orgapache server, but I cannot find it in svn, can somebody
> help me, and mail
As I know, we use SSI yes
> it to me directly.
Ask infra.

Greetings Raphael

Re: svn update, simple question.

[Herbert Duerr]

Hi Jan,

On 25.10.2012 11:09, jan iversen wrote:

Now I know what I did wrong, I did run configure again but not in a new
shell (forgot the environment variables).


Good. Do you happen to know which environment variables were the problem 
in this case? It would be great to have a mechanism that avoided this 
source of confusion but cleaning up such environment variables. AFAIK 
most of them are supposed to be unset in the script written by the 
bootstrap step.



I think the real hazzle is to understand the process, once you get the
initial build done and understand a bit about the build/makefiles it is
pretty clean.

I worked in another project, where the build required you to open 3 shells,
and start different commands at different stages, that was challenging
compared to this :-)


Wow, that tops the complexity of the AOO build experience quite a bit. 
For an open-source project I'm afraid we're still way too challenging, 
especially since the project was disrupted in the transition from the 
classic OOo build system to a gnumake based system.


Herbert

Re: [PROPOSAL] "difficulty" field for Bugzilla

[Albino B Neto]

Hi.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> As you have probably noticed, I'm engaged in a variety of initiatives
> to grow the community, bring in more volunteers, etc.  One additional
> piece that I think would be useful is to add a new field to Bugzilla
> to indicate the difficulty level of the bug.  Of course, this will
> often not be known.  But in some cases, we do know, and where we do
> know we can indicate this.
>
> What this allows us to do is then have search filters that return only
> open easy bugs.  These are ideal for new developer volunteers on the
> project who are looking for items that match their lesser familiarity
> with the code.  It also allows a developer to step up to more
> challenging bugs over time.
>
> A similar approach, which they called "easy hacks", was successfully
> used by LibreOffice.
>
> If there are no objections, I'll add a new field to Bugzilla called
> "cf_difficulty_level", and which a drop down UI with the following
> choices:
>
> UNKNOWN (default)
> TRIVIAL
> EASY
> MODERATE
> HARD
> WIZARD
>
> (I'm certainly open to variations on the names)
>
> I'd then rely on other developers to help "seed" the database with
> some TRIVIAL and EASY bugs, so new volunteers will have something to
> work with as they familiarize themselves with the project.
>
> I'll wait 72 hours, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob

+1

-- 
Albino

Re: Checking my assumptions: No need for a 3.4.2 release?

[Albino B Neto]

Hi

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> Am I correct in believing that no critical bugs have been reported in
> 3.4.1 that would require us to spin a 3.4.2 maintenance release?

I have observed that we can still launch versions 3.4.x .. 3.4.2 in
the case (.3/.4) because some critical bugs.

The AOO have read many comments on blogs around the praise its
stability and security. (:

-- 
Albino

Re: Volunteers, Contributors, Committers, PMC members -- is there any way to consolidate these lists?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Sylvain DENIS
 wrote:
> Hello Rob
>
> how to be on the list of contributors? (I'm promoting AOO, I am a professor
> of computer and office, I also help in using AOO).
>

It will be a wiki page, so you will be able to add your own information.

I will send an announcement when it is ready.

-Rob


> For your information, I started the publication of the article (in French)
> "High Level AOO"
>
> Greats
>
>
> librement,
>
> Sylvain DENIS
> Expert TIC, FLOSS & WEB
> Conseiller en sécurité de l'information
> Formateur, conférencier
> Le 24/10/12 20:56, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
> We have the following today:
>
> 1) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html  -- This
> lists a variety of people involved in the project, independent of
> status.
>
> 2) I'd like to have a place for new volunteers to put their names,
> preferably on the wiki or some place where a non-committer has easy
> access.
>
> 3) We have a list of Committers here, automatically generated:
> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo
>
> 4) We don't have anything that indicates which Committers are also PMC
> members.
>
> 5) We have this "credits" page, which is linked to from our Help/About
> dialog box.  But it does not appear to be updated for AOO 3.4.0 or
> 3.4.1:  http://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits.html
>
> 6) Wiki "User" pages
>
> 7) Any others?
>
> As we all know, with multiple lists like this things will get out of
> synch.  In fact they already have.
>
> One simplification idea might be:
>
> 1) Convert the people.html page into a wiki page
>
> 2) Have that page indicate who is a Committer or PMC member.  That can
> be manual for now.
>
> 3) Point our Help/About box to the wiki page, and add sentence at the
> end of the wiki that says, "OpenOffice has a long history and we also
> thank those who contributed to it before our move to Apache" and then
> link to credits.html
>
>
> Any objections to this general idea?  Any improvements?
>
> And if we did want a place to have a big table of volunteers, where on
> the wiki should we put it (CWiki or MWiki)?
>
> -Rob
>
>

Re: Volunteers, Contributors, Committers, PMC members -- is there any way to consolidate these lists?

[Sylvain DENIS]

Big thanks, Rob


librement,

*Sylvain DENIS*
/Expert TIC, FLOSS & WEB
Conseiller en sécurité de l'information
Formateur, conférencier/
Le 25/10/12 13:50, Rob Weir a écrit :

It will be a wiki page, so you will be able to add your own information.

I will send an announcement when it is ready.

-Rob

Re: svn update, simple question.

[jan iversen]

On 25 October 2012 13:03, Herbert Duerr  wrote:

> Hi Jan,
>
>
> On 25.10.2012 11:09, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Now I know what I did wrong, I did run configure again but not in a new
>> shell (forgot the environment variables).
>>
>
> Good. Do you happen to know which environment variables were the problem
> in this case? It would be great to have a mechanism that avoided this
> source of confusion but cleaning up such environment variables. AFAIK most
> of them are supposed to be unset in the script written by the bootstrap
> step.

Yes at least I know one "CC", I had for experimental use changed it to a
different compiler, and configure used it for the Linux script.

I will check next time to see if there are others.



>
>
>  I think the real hazzle is to understand the process, once you get the
>> initial build done and understand a bit about the build/makefiles it is
>> pretty clean.
>>
>> I worked in another project, where the build required you to open 3
>> shells,
>> and start different commands at different stages, that was challenging
>> compared to this :-)
>>
>
> Wow, that tops the complexity of the AOO build experience quite a bit. For
> an open-source project I'm afraid we're still way too challenging,
> especially since the project was disrupted in the transition from the
> classic OOo build system to a gnumake based system.
>
> Herbert
>

Missing option in right click under OO 3.4.1

[Eric Byers]

First, I am not subscribed to the ooo-dev discussion list.  Please include
me in CC's.

System: Win 7 x64
MS Office 2010 Pro installed
OO 3.4.1 installed



MS Office was installed first.  Followed by OO 3.4.1  After the
installation of OO, the option under the right mouse click for a new MS
Word document was removed.  Right click in a folder space, select "New" -
spreadsheets, text documents and others show as possible selections,
however the MS Word option no longer exists.  I use it frequently.  Please
direct me as to how to re-add this option to my right click menu.

Thanks-

Eric Byers

Re: Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 - Dec 13th Beijing

[Donald Harbison]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

> I'm moving this thread over to con...@apache.org which is the right
> address to continue this conversation.
>
> +1 for the event - you all have run this type of event several times
> before, so I trust that you know what you are doing and will put on a
> terrific event for the local audience!
>
> Please let me know if there's anything we can do on our end to assist.
>
> Good luck!  -- justin
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Jimmy,Jing Lv  wrote:
> > Hello community, board,
> >
> >We are planning the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012. This year we've got
> > sponsor from cloud valley world (
> http://www.cloudvalleyworld.com/index.php)
> > and China Opensource Promotion Union(http://www.copu.org.cn/), and it
> will
> > be held in Beijing. Here is the plan:
> > 1. The target date is one day after the cloud valley world event, Dec
> 13th
> > (BTW, the cloud valley world has invited some key person in China IT
> > Industry, including VP MSFT China, VP Intel China, CTO Alibaba etc, it's
> a
> > great if Apache/open source can speak aloud). We got sponsor from the
> > CloudValleyWorld for the conference room (in Beijing, ZhongGuanCun)
> > 2. It'll be one-day event, including 3 key speaker and 4+ sessions. And
> plan
> > to have 100+ audiences.
> > we plan the main topic around cloud computing: open source really
> produce a
> > basement  to the cloud computing, like Apache Hadoop and cloudstack;
> welcome
> > any open source topic in or out of this area.
>

The Apache OpenOffice community has a significant local representation in
Beijing. I'm cc'ing the community
to alert our Chinese contributors to reach out to you and explore the
possibility of adding an Apache OpenOffice
session to increase its visibility. We just graduated to an Apache TLP, so
we have a solid foundation upon which
to build with a strong global community. The Chinese community is very
important and making a large contribution.

Sheng Feng Liu, what do you think?


> > 3. As last event, we may setup the homepage, and T-Shirt/Flyer etc will
> be
> > prepared
> >
> >   We'd like to request the approval for this event, and will post in
> the
> > Apache Conference list with the detail plan, agenda and budget.
> >   We'd like invite someone from board or our member to attend this
> > event. Please tell us if interested.
> >
> >   Any suggestions/comments? Thanks!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Best Regards!
> >
> > Jimmy, Jing Lv
> > Apache Member
>

Please add your name to our new Apache OpenOffice "Directory of Volunteers"

[Rob Weir]

(Follow-up posts to ooo-dev only, please)

The new Directory is on the wiki here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers

Every volunteer is able to sign up for a wiki account and edit this page.

1. Volunteers of all kinds are encouraged to add your name.
Developers, Support, QA, UX, Marketing,  Translators, etc.   This is
not only for committers.  All Volunteers can add their information.

2. The list is currently in alphabetical order by given name.  Let's
try to keep it that way ;-)

3. Feel free to link your name to your blog, website or similar.

Thanks!

-Rob

Re: [QA BUG] - some regression defects were found by GUI perfromance test

[zhangjf]

Hi,

For bug 121199, it has the same root cause as bug 121134, so I just
duplicated it with bug 121134. And Jinlong still doesn't have the
commit right yet, so he only put the fix patch into bug 121134. I have
just delivered this piece of fix code by revision 1402153. Hopefully
there will be a build for test tomorrow.

Thank you again for the great bug finding.

zhangjf

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Linyi Li  wrote:
> Hi Herbert,
>
> I checked defect[2] on r1401602, it still has this problem. Could you tell
> me which build you tested?
>
> About defect[1], I saw there is a response:
> --- Comment #5 from wujinl...@gmail.com ---
> This is a known bug, and I have already had a fix for it. Please see bug
> 121134
> for details.
> CC to wujinlong, is this fix already commited to trunk build?
>
> Defect[3] is found on ubuntu12.04, 32bit. It is OK on ubuntu12.04 64bit.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Linyi Li  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Herbert.
>> I will check[1][2] in current build:)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24.10.2012 07:34, Linyi Li wrote:
>>>
 I did GUI performance test of AOO trunk build. I found some
 defects[1][2][3], and two of them are regression ones[1][2].

>>>
>>> Great finds and great bug reports, thank you!
>>>
>>> And kudos to the wonderful automated testing framework that allows to run
>>> such extensive tests with that thoroughness and frequency.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I think defects[1][2] are severe which will block users‘ normal use of
 AOO,
 so is there anyone who can help to fix these defects?

>>>
>>> I looked into them and updated their status:
>>>
>>>
>>>  [1]
 Bug 121199 - [Automation][Regression]**Crashed when loading 2 docx
 files.

>>>
>>> The patch that caused the crashes is known and reverting it solves the
>>> problem. But probably the patch can be updated to fix both the new and the
>>> original issues. The developers knowing the patch best were CC'ed.
>>>
>>>
>>>  [2]
 Bug 121200 - [Regression][Automation][**Performance]Severe downgrade to
 save
 xls sample files.

>>>
>>> This seems to be fixed in the current trunk revision.
>>>
>>>
>>>  [3]
 Bug 121256 - Crash when saving ppt on Linux.

>>>
>>> This cannot be reproduced here. If anyone sees the problem please attach
>>> a stack trace in the issue. If possible for a build with sufficient debug
>>> info.
>>>
>>> Herbert
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best wishes.
>> Linyi Li
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Best wishes.
> Linyi Li

Re: apache2.conf file for openoffice.org server.

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:48 AM, jan iversen  wrote:
> Hi
>
> In order to test web page changes offline, I am configuring my own apache
> server, and would like to see the configuration of the
> openoffice.orgapache server, but I cannot find it in svn, can somebody
> help me, and mail
> it to me directly.
>

There may be an easier way.  Have you seen these instructions?
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html#how-to-do-website-development-locally-for-technical-users

This gets the basic mdtext -> HTML conversion working.   It does not
apply the site templates for the site-wide branding, etc.  But for
content development you really don't need to see that.

-Rob


> thanks in advance.
>
> Juergen:
> do you know if we have ssi support ?

Re: Directory main/swext/mediawiki

[Andre Fischer]

On 24.10.2012 18:17, jan iversen wrote:

Roberto:

I cannot tell if the problem is in the extension, but the behavior is as
follow:

1) I do a "confgure --with-lang --enable-wiki-publisher"
 IT WORKS.

2) I do a "configure --enable-wiki-publisher"
I get the license problem

3) I modify description.xml and remove the tag , and
rebuilt/reinstall main/swext/mediawiki
IT WORKS.

So, please excuse me, but it seems to me that the extension do have a
problem, or ???


This may be connected to the head of swext/mediawiki/help/makefile.mk 
where there is a special treatment of $WITH_LANG for when it contains 
"en-US" but mediawiki/help expects that to be just "en".


-Andre

Fwd: volunteer for turkish

[Rob Weir]

Hello Mehmet -- You did not receive this response because you are not
subscribed to this mailing list.   I'm forwarding it so you can read
it.

You can subscribe to the list by sending an email to
ooo-l10n-subscr...@incubator.apache.org

Regards,

-Rob


-- Forwarded message --
From: Jürgen Schmidt 
Date: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: volunteer for turkish
To: ooo-l...@incubator.apache.org


On 10/23/12 6:39 PM, mehmet demir wrote:
> hi,
> I have got a pc since 1999 and used oo for more than 9 years since it had a
> version for win98se..
> I use it because it is free and I do not install cracked copies of
> microsoft office.
>
> I am familiar with office and some other pc software.
>
> I have checked the turkish version. most is completed but the ones not
> completed can be somehow may be away from my knowlegde.
> but to be sure I must see the original files. and if it will come to an end
> it is better to leave some sections"english" because I am sure the people
> who uses them have already known english.
>
> I would be glad to help you.
>
> best regards
> Mr. Mehmet Demir
>
> ps. will I get a permission email to start or will I start immediately
> to request PO file?  and, do the editing softwares run on windows, if they
> run on linux, I can not help you because I do not use linux..

Hi Mehmet,

first of all welcome at Apache OpenOffice. No, you need no further
permission you can simply start. But it is good to organize it in a way
that is best for all of us, you who work on the translation and others
who do the integration later.

Do you have experience with translation and po files already? Do you can
start work offline with for example POEdit? If yes I will prepare a set
of po files for you immediately.

Everything else can we see later...

Do you know other people who might be interested to help you? I think it
is always good to have more people working on 1 language, it's often
very useful to have people doing a review etc.

Or for example organize a translation party, coming together in one
place and work together on the translation. I remember 1 project in the
past where a group of people translated the whole office in 5 days or so.

In general we should think about ways to attract more volunteers and how
we can increase the fun factor.

But again welcome on board

Juergen

Re: apache2.conf file for openoffice.org server.

[jan iversen]

Thanks for your as usual very informative instructions.

I did that, BUT it does not tell me which kind of SSI the apache server is
using, there are two different methods:
1) using .shtml (which gives a problem with index.shtml)
2) setting excute bit on pages containing SSI, this requires XBitHack set
in httpd.conf (or apache2.conf on ubuntu).

that is my problem.

I want to SSI for the top and bottom of each page, so I dont have a copy
problem when we change e.g. mailling lists.

I am by the way a long way down having a new l10n.openoffice.org ready for
upload.

Jan.


On 25 October 2012 16:22, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:48 AM, jan iversen 
> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > In order to test web page changes offline, I am configuring my own apache
> > server, and would like to see the configuration of the
> > openoffice.orgapache server, but I cannot find it in svn, can somebody
> > help me, and mail
> > it to me directly.
> >
>
> There may be an easier way.  Have you seen these instructions?
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html#how-to-do-website-development-locally-for-technical-users
>
> This gets the basic mdtext -> HTML conversion working.   It does not
> apply the site templates for the site-wide branding, etc.  But for
> content development you really don't need to see that.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > thanks in advance.
> >
> > Juergen:
> > do you know if we have ssi support ?
>

Re: Directory main/swext/mediawiki

[jan iversen]

Ups...that´s the problem, I will fix that.

Tested a small change and it works.

thanks.
jan I

On 25 October 2012 16:28, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 24.10.2012 18:17, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Roberto:
>>
>> I cannot tell if the problem is in the extension, but the behavior is as
>> follow:
>>
>> 1) I do a "confgure --with-lang --enable-wiki-publisher"
>>  IT WORKS.
>>
>> 2) I do a "configure --enable-wiki-publisher"
>> I get the license problem
>>
>> 3) I modify description.xml and remove the tag , and
>> rebuilt/reinstall main/swext/mediawiki
>> IT WORKS.
>>
>> So, please excuse me, but it seems to me that the extension do have a
>> problem, or ???
>>
>
> This may be connected to the head of 
> swext/mediawiki/help/makefile.**mkwhere there is a 
> special treatment of $WITH_LANG for when it contains
> "en-US" but mediawiki/help expects that to be just "en".
>
> -Andre
>
>

Re: apache2.conf file for openoffice.org server.

[Dave Fisher]

On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:04 AM, jan iversen wrote:

> Thanks for your as usual very informative instructions.
> 
> I did that, BUT it does not tell me which kind of SSI the apache server is
> using, there are two different methods:
> 1) using .shtml (which gives a problem with index.shtml)
> 2) setting excute bit on pages containing SSI, this requires XBitHack set
> in httpd.conf (or apache2.conf on ubuntu).

I hope you have looked into the ooo-site/trunk/templates directory where you 
will see that the SSIs are not shtml. They are 

Re: apache2.conf file for openoffice.org server.

[jan iversen]

Hi.

I got the "old" l10n, and saw that in SVN it did not use templates, then I
went on and checked the root (AOO) and also found no use of templates...I
did find it a bit strange but assumed there were good reasons for not using
templates, so I went down that road.

But taking your advice, I will have another look at the templates (it is
never too late to do a good thing).

Jan.

On 25 October 2012 17:55, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:04 AM, jan iversen wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your as usual very informative instructions.
> >
> > I did that, BUT it does not tell me which kind of SSI the apache server
> is
> > using, there are two different methods:
> > 1) using .shtml (which gives a problem with index.shtml)
> > 2) setting excute bit on pages containing SSI, this requires XBitHack set
> > in httpd.conf (or apache2.conf on ubuntu).
>
> I hope you have looked into the ooo-site/trunk/templates directory where
> you will see that the SSIs are not shtml. They are 

Re: apache2.conf file for openoffice.org server.

[Dave Fisher]

Hi,

You may want to review the reference manual for the Apache CMS: 
http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html

The CMS for OpenOffice is setup to put both html and mdtext content through 
templates.

For html this involves extracting the head, bodytag and body from the source 
and then putting it through the template.

You should explore the directories under ooo-site/trunk/.

lib - has perl modules that do path matching and page building.
templates - has html templates and ssi selections.

For new l10n you may concentrate on either html or mdtext content.

Regards,
Dave

On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:07 AM, jan iversen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I got the "old" l10n, and saw that in SVN it did not use templates, then I
> went on and checked the root (AOO) and also found no use of templates...I
> did find it a bit strange but assumed there were good reasons for not using
> templates, so I went down that road.
> 
> But taking your advice, I will have another look at the templates (it is
> never too late to do a good thing).
> 
> Jan.
> 
> On 25 October 2012 17:55, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:04 AM, jan iversen wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for your as usual very informative instructions.
>>> 
>>> I did that, BUT it does not tell me which kind of SSI the apache server
>> is
>>> using, there are two different methods:
>>> 1) using .shtml (which gives a problem with index.shtml)
>>> 2) setting excute bit on pages containing SSI, this requires XBitHack set
>>> in httpd.conf (or apache2.conf on ubuntu).
>> 
>> I hope you have looked into the ooo-site/trunk/templates directory where
>> you will see that the SSIs are not shtml. They are 

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

[Graham Lauder]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:

>
>
> Rob already suggested a competition. I think that is a good idea and I can
> help organise it but I don't want to put a lot of time into that if it is
> not going to be considered a likely way forward. Marketing should not
> distract code developers from their input as it is an inefficient use of
> resources.
>

OK so let's put a proposal that we get a competition under way for complete
branding package that will give us our 4.0 brand.  If you like I'll frame
something tonight after work unless you want to get something started
before then.


Cheers
GL

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Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

[Graham Lauder]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, RGB ES  wrote:

> 2012/10/25 Graham Lauder 
>
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:46 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Nobody made Michael Acevedo the official artist, but a mailing list
> > vote
> > > > approved his logo as the Apache OpenOffice logo for the 3.4.x series
> > (at
> > > > that time, we believed that the version after 3.4.x would be 4.x).
> So,
> > > > again: for 3.4 and all official communication in 3.4 the reference
> logo
> > > is
> > > > that one, and not something that is 95% similar to it or that tweaks
> > > > colors/fonts. We must be consistent. This is the reason why we cannot
> > use
> > > > your SVG version now.
> > > >
> > > > But it is understood, as Graham wrote, that this is a temporary
> > solution.
> > > > For future releases we are free to adopt any new logo, having a
> > > similarity
> > > > to the current one anywhere between 0% and 100%, and since we are not
> > > under
> > > > pressure at the moment we can explore possibilities for a full
> > > rebranding:
> > > > logo, site, palette, icons... If we go for a full rebranding, it is
> > good
> > > to
> > > > make it coincident with the 4.0 release since it would be easier to
> > > > communicate and less suspicious to users.
> > > >
> > >
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > 4.0 is the time for a full rebranding, not before. Of course we need to
> > > start with this sooner than later, but IMO it is not urgent.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Ricardo
> > >
> >
> > Disagree completely, a rebrand is not a trivial matter, that can be
> knocked
> > up in a weekend.  We are marketing a consumer space product and
> therefore a
> > lot of preparation needs to be done including researching our endusers.
> >
>
> I'm not saying that rebranding is a trivial matter: I'm just saying that
> 4.0 is the time for rebranding and not before. As Kevin noted, we can go on
> for now just updating what we have but of course we need to have everything
> in place before 4.0 is released. And the best way to have everything in
> place at the right time is to start *right now*... but without making a
> storm on a teacup: Usually, the "sense of urgency" goes against "good
> creativity".
>

Disagree, Panic goes against good creativity.  You and I obviously have
different definitions of urgent.  I have had experience with the glacial
speed that goes with making major design decisions in an OSS project.  I
don't know when the launch of 4.0 is due, do you have that info.  If it is
within the next six months then we are way behind the eight ball already.

Cheers
GL


>
> I too want a "shiny and new package", and I prefer to have everything ready
> with plenty of time as you do. We fully agree on this.
>
> Let's see Kevin's (and other's!) proposal.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> >
> >  Right now the Marketing, Art and UX  people in the project are a
> miniscule
> > in number.  It has been difficult to inspire people to join the project
> > because it was seen as "same old, same old".  A whole lot of developers
> > trying desperately not to change anything right down to keeping the old
> > Oracle Logo.  Whether this impression is right or wrong is not the point,
> > to get people excited we need to get moving on the process so that people
> > can see that there is something in the project worth putting some work
> > into.
> >
> > Rob asked an excellent question some time back "Where are the next 100
> > million users coming from"  I've asked the same question myself in the
> > past, as have others.  Ian Lynch took the bull by the horns and took it
> to
> > the educationalists in the US and schools in the EU, Drew (IIRC, my
> memory
> > is rubbish correct me if I'm wrong) went after Librarians. There are
> other
> > avenues but at the end of the day we need the consumers talking about the
> > product.
> >
> > Joe Brockmeier did a session on Marketing OSS at LCA a few years back, I
> > asked him the same question or at least a variation on the theme.  His
> > short answer was "You've got almost a monopoly in the Linux space, so
> what
> > the hell are you doing here?  But in any case you have get the great
> > unwashed to talk about it, and to do that give 'em something shiny and
> > new."
> >
> > We have something shiny and new!  Now what we have to do is package it
> like
> > it is shiny and new and that is not something that you do in five
> minutes.
> > I would rather be ready months early for the launch of 4.0 than have a
> last
> > minute panic that ends in a half baked result.  We want people talking
> > about the new brand not sniggering about a lost opportunity.
> >
> > The 4.0 branding will define this project and the product for years to
> come
> > and should therefore be done with an effort that reflects that
> > responsibility.  The next 100 million will thank us for the effort or
> stay
> > away in droves if we look as if we didn't bother too much.
> >
> > Cheers
> > GL
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >   Andrea.

Apache and ODF

[Andreas Säger]

Hi,

Today my wife got her new Kindle which comes with a document viewer
based on Apache Freetype for the rendering job and Apache POI which is a
Java library to parse Microsoft documents.
It handles doc(x)/xls(x)/ppt(x) but no ODF. Although I am not deeply
involved in this project, I feel somewhat embarrassed and alarmed
because in the year 2012 the Apache foundation develops excellent tools
to process proprietary file formats but fails to offer anything
equivalent for the free and much simpler ODF standard.
Is my assumption correct that http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/
would be the remedy to solve that problem but due to a lack of
development resources it is not ready for the job?

Greetings,
Andreas Säger

Re: Apache and ODF

[Dave Fisher]

As a member of the Apache POI and OpenOffice PMCs. The answer is yes ODF 
toolkit might be the correct approach. The mentors on that podling Yegor and 
Nick are key members of the POI project. They will both be at ApacheCon EU.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 25, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Andreas Säger  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Today my wife got her new Kindle which comes with a document viewer
> based on Apache Freetype for the rendering job and Apache POI which is a
> Java library to parse Microsoft documents.
> It handles doc(x)/xls(x)/ppt(x) but no ODF. Although I am not deeply
> involved in this project, I feel somewhat embarrassed and alarmed
> because in the year 2012 the Apache foundation develops excellent tools
> to process proprietary file formats but fails to offer anything
> equivalent for the free and much simpler ODF standard.
> Is my assumption correct that http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/
> would be the remedy to solve that problem but due to a lack of
> development resources it is not ready for the job?
> 
> Greetings,
> Andreas Säger
> 

[proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki

[jan iversen]

To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
newer article stays in Wiki.

Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
users ??

There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?

Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
and there are a bit of old information.

Jan.

Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki

[Alexandro Colorado]

Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.

Still good conversation to debate.

On 10/25/12, jan iversen  wrote:
> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
> newer article stays in Wiki.
>
> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
> users ??
>
> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>
> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
> and there are a bit of old information.
>
> Jan.
>


-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Apache and ODF

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Andreas Säger  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Today my wife got her new Kindle which comes with a document viewer
> based on Apache Freetype for the rendering job and Apache POI which is a
> Java library to parse Microsoft documents.
> It handles doc(x)/xls(x)/ppt(x) but no ODF. Although I am not deeply
> involved in this project, I feel somewhat embarrassed and alarmed
> because in the year 2012 the Apache foundation develops excellent tools
> to process proprietary file formats but fails to offer anything
> equivalent for the free and much simpler ODF standard.
> Is my assumption correct that http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/
> would be the remedy to solve that problem but due to a lack of
> development resources it is not ready for the job?
>

The ODF Toolkit is a Java library for manipulating ODF documents.  A
classic use would be document automation, e.g., taking a document
template and filling in data from a database, to create a new ODF
document.  It does this all without any GUI, no OpenOffice required.
It is not an editor, not a viewer.  It has no rendering, layout or
calculation logic.  It operates directly on the document file.

So ordinarily I'd say that this was not appropriate for a document
viewer, certainly not without a layout engine.  But on something like
the Kindle, with relatively simple layout requirements, the ODF
Toolkit would be analogous to POI, and would make the task far easier.

If you search for it, you will find various solutions for converting
ODF to EPub.  But I have not seen something that does the same for
Kindle's MOBI format.

-Rob

> Greetings,
> Andreas Säger
>

Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki

[jan iversen]

Maybe we could move them to an archive ??

jan

On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>
> Still good conversation to debate.
>
> On 10/25/12, jan iversen  wrote:
> > To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
> > newer article stays in Wiki.
> >
> > Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
> > users ??
> >
> > There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
> >
> > Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
> > and there are a bit of old information.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>

Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki

[RGB ES]

2012/10/25 jan iversen 

> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
> newer article stays in Wiki.
>
> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
> users ??
>
> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>

For a normal user, no: only wiki admins can delete pages. In fact on mwiki
you cannot get rid of those pages at all because if you try to move them to
a new location, a redirect remains on the old address. On the last few
weeks we "cleaned" the ES mwiki by changing on all the non useful pages the
category from ES to OldES, being sure that nothing linked to those pages
and then restarted almost from scratch with new content on a new folder
structure. IMO, this is the best we can do: if at least the address is
still useful change the content, if not even the address is useful make
sure that nothing link to that page and remove any meaningful category from
it to avoid users arriving by accident.

Regards
Ricardo


>
> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
> and there are a bit of old information.
>
> Jan.
>

Re: Apache and ODF

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:38:25 -0700
Dave Fisher  wrote:

> As a member of the Apache POI and OpenOffice PMCs. The answer is yes ODF 
> toolkit might be the correct approach. The mentors on that podling Yegor and 
> Nick are key members of the POI project. They will both be at ApacheCon EU.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Andreas Säger  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Today my wife got her new Kindle which comes with a document viewer
> > based on Apache Freetype for the rendering job and Apache POI which is a
> > Java library to parse Microsoft documents.
> > It handles doc(x)/xls(x)/ppt(x) but no ODF. Although I am not deeply
> > involved in this project, I feel somewhat embarrassed and alarmed
> > because in the year 2012 the Apache foundation develops excellent tools
> > to process proprietary file formats but fails to offer anything
> > equivalent for the free and much simpler ODF standard.
> > Is my assumption correct that http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/
> > would be the remedy to solve that problem but due to a lack of
> > development resources it is not ready for the job?
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > Andreas Säger
> > 
> 

As an immediate work-around, Calibre will convert .odf files to almost every 
ebook format; its formatting is under user control.  Admittedly it would be 
good if OpenOffice could directly support at least the more frequent ebook 
formats, without having to rely on an extension to do so.  I remember that 
there is such an extension, but hae no time to look for the link just now.
-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: apache2.conf file for openoffice.org server.

[Kay Schenk]

On 10/25/2012 09:07 AM, jan iversen wrote:

Hi.

I got the "old" l10n, and saw that in SVN it did not use templates, then I
went on and checked the root (AOO) and also found no use of templates...I
did find it a bit strange but assumed there were good reasons for not using
templates, so I went down that road.

But taking your advice, I will have another look at the templates (it is
never too late to do a good thing).

Jan.


Jan, as an FYI...the OO website associates ssi with ".html", i.e. all .html.

If you follow the instructions that Rob pointed you too, AND do the 
python setup -- when you run the CMS build scripts, you will see a 
".htaccess" file dumped in the main content directory "content". This is 
the "definition" of the ssi processing for our site. Additionally, the 
build scripts convert the mdtext of the template files to html on output.


As it turns out, the .htaccess business did NOT work with my Apache 
webserver setup, 2.2., so I just did kind of generic ssi config, and now 
have to delete the generated ".htaccess" each time, but oh well, other 
than that, I'm good.


Bottom line, it is unlikely you will get to "see" the webserver config 
we actually use, but I'm sure you can cobble up something that will work.




On 25 October 2012 17:55, Dave Fisher  wrote:



On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:04 AM, jan iversen wrote:


Thanks for your as usual very informative instructions.

I did that, BUT it does not tell me which kind of SSI the apache server

is

using, there are two different methods:
1) using .shtml (which gives a problem with index.shtml)
2) setting excute bit on pages containing SSI, this requires XBitHack set
in httpd.conf (or apache2.conf on ubuntu).


I hope you have looked into the ooo-site/trunk/templates directory where
you will see that the SSIs are not shtml. They are 

Re: proposal for new l10n workflow

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 21/10/2012 jan iversen wrote:

I have finally finished my proposal for a new workflow.
please have a look at:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:L10procNew.pdf


It seems I'm the first one who replies after having read your document 
in full. And the quality of your proposal is not the issue here: on the 
contrary, it is a very good one and I'm answering in detail below. So 
the issue must be somewhere else. I'm confident you will understand that 
I'm not criticizing or lecturing you here, and I'm not implying any of 
the items below to be you fault (none is); but maybe this will help you 
in getting better feedback in future.


1) Unfortunate timing. We've just graduated, the Apache Conference is 
coming in about one week, we need to relocate all infrastructure... It's 
a busy period, so we may be less responsive than usual.


2) Excess of communication. If all people on this list had written as 
much as you did in the last 24 hours to the OpenOffice lists, ooo-dev 
would have received a message every 9 seconds! If you make yourself 
manageable it will be easier for us to answer your requests with less 
confusion.


3) Dispersion of communication. Discussion about your proposal is 
scattered in three different threads across ooo-dev and ooo-l10n (not 
counting private e-mails); if you need to send a message to multiple 
lists, and this is a good example, it's best to send one message to two 
lists (and specify which one should receive answers) since answers will 
be grouped in the same discussion for people who are reading e-mail by 
discussions.


4) Proposal format. Uploading a PDF is very convenient but it does not 
make others feel empowered to really contribute. I would have applied a 
dozen typo fixes to your proposal if it had been available as a wiki 
page. Others might have done the same.


OK, enough said. The proposal has significant merit, so let's focus on 
that for the rest of this message. It won't be short: it's still a 
20-page document.


The main reasons to drive it forward are:
- It puts us back in total control of the l10n process, with no need to 
rely on partially broken or lost tools.
- It reduces the number of steps strings must go through for being 
translated and imported back.

- It automates a number of operations that have been manual so far.
- It allows to have a proper version control for translations.

In general, I think the document would benefit from some knowledge about 
how the process works with established teams:
- There is a "string freeze" date in the release schedule (this concept 
needn't be taken away: for sure we still want a string freeze even if 
tools allow a continuous localization; translators shouldn't have the 
surprise to see new strings appear in the last weeks before a release)
- After string freeze, strings are made available in Pootle (and this 
happens automatically in your proposal)
- Volunteers pick a file, usually a help file and the main application 
related to it (so, the "sw" module for Writer and its help file; and, 
answering another message from you, the subdivision you propose would be 
OK). Here indeed it is helpful to know that a file has been taken, 
something that volunteers track manually at the moment. Volunteers do 
not have time constraints and may well take two weeks to complete their 
assignments: the "4 days" you propose are not realistic for most teams.
- Nobody works on Pootle. This has nothing to do with rights, it is 
totally incorrect to see Pootle as the "committers tool". The Pootle 
server used to be slow and not responsive and anyway, as a matter of 
fact, most people, including me, prefer to work with downloaded files.
- Volunteers mark all strings they touched as "fuzzy" to distinguish 
them; if I understand correctly, a XLIFF based workflow here would 
suggest to mark the strings as "to be reviewed".
- Other volunteers (in general one person per language) review the 
translations, collect all files and make them available to developers 
(Bugzilla, personal web space, e-mail...)


So we already have a (kind of) "team coordinator" who reviews the files 
and is a committer. Again: you can assume that we have a person per 
language who is a committer (new languages go through a brief transition 
phase, but as you probably understood from the 20-30 daily answers you 
receive from committers, we try to be rather active in mentoring and 
helping in this transition phase).


Now I don't see the need for the web application you propose for 
l10n.openoffice.org. It seems a way to circumvent the policy in order to 
allow non-committers to do something that committers can do: but if the 
policy is problematic, we'd rather discuss and change it than building 
tools to circumvent it. And, under the assumption that for each language 
we have a reviewer/committer, I would just use the Pootle functions for 
that. Pootle already offers: download, upload, visual representation of 
translation progress, integration with version 

Re: [PROPOSAL] "difficulty" field for Bugzilla

[Kay Schenk]

On 10/24/2012 02:15 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:

Apache Camel uses an "Estimated Complexity" custom field in the Apache
Issues Tracker.  Current values in it are "Any", "Unknown", "Novice",
"Moderate", "Advanced", "Guru" and "Needs James Gosling".


LOL! :D



Had to look him up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gosling

Don

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:


On 12-10-24, at 16:28 , "Dennis E. Hamilton"  wrote:


@Regina,

Yes, Wizard is a reference to the level of mastery that a solver must
possess, and is one of those "which one of these words does not belong"
solutions.

There is a well-known *logarithmic* difficulty scale that has been used
over 40 years for problem difficulty.  It might be worth adapting:

(after unknown),

  00 easy - immediately solvable by someone willing to do it
  10 simple - takes minutes
  20 medium, average - quarter hour
  30 moderate, an evening
  40 difficult, challenging, non-trivial (term project, GSoC...)
  50 unsolved, deep, requires a breakthrough, research
 (PhD dissertation)
  60 intractable (that I just made up - probably not something that
 is technically feasible regardless of skill, Nobel Prize,
 P = NP, etc.)

I suspect this scale has too much at the low end and perhaps not
enough steps at the high end.   Perhaps there are two factors - skills and
work factor - how long for someone of the necessary skills?  Or else
work factor is suggestive of the level of skill?

 easy - minutes (fixing a typo on a web page)
 simple - hour(s)
 moderate - days
 difficult, challenging - weeks
 hard, demanding - months
 stubborn - years (aka, intractable)

All of these assume fluency with basic tools and facility with the subject 
matter of the issue.

For example, fixing change-tracking is at least hard.

- Dennis


One aspect that has been used and not used enough is to consider this in light 
of how a student or neophyte might approach the task and whether it demands the 
added help a mentor can offer.

Louis


-Original Message-
From: Regina Henschel [mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 13:04
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] "difficulty" field for Bugzilla

Hi Rob,

Rob Weir schrieb:

As you have probably noticed, I'm engaged in a variety of initiatives
to grow the community, bring in more volunteers, etc.  One additional
piece that I think would be useful is to add a new field to Bugzilla
to indicate the difficulty level of the bug.  Of course, this will
often not be known.  But in some cases, we do know, and where we do
know we can indicate this.

What this allows us to do is then have search filters that return only
open easy bugs.  These are ideal for new developer volunteers on the
project who are looking for items that match their lesser familiarity
with the code.  It also allows a developer to step up to more
challenging bugs over time.

A similar approach, which they called "easy hacks", was successfully
used by LibreOffice.

If there are no objections, I'll add a new field to Bugzilla called
"cf_difficulty_level", and which a drop down UI with the following
choices:

UNKNOWN (default)
TRIVIAL
EASY
MODERATE
HARD
WIZARD


WIZARD is used in AOO UI in the meaning of 'assistant' or step by step
workflow. Therefore it might be not understood here. I need to look up
other meanings in a dictionary. I would drop it. HARD as highest step is
sufficient.

TRIVIAL sounds devaluating to me. Perhaps BEGINNER or STARTER is more
neutral? Being able to start is not only a question, whether the task is
easy or not from an objective point of view. Beyond that a mentor is
needed. Perhaps a category MENTORED instead of TRIVIAL is useful. A
senior developer would set it (and put himself in CC) if he is willing
to guide a newcomer.



(I'm certainly open to variations on the names)

I'd then rely on other developers to help "seed" the database with
some TRIVIAL and EASY bugs, so new volunteers will have something to
work with as they familiarize themselves with the project.

I'll wait 72 hours, etc.


In general I thing it is a good idea. Using Bugzilla has the advantage,
that it is not necessary to hold a Wiki page in sync with Bugzilla.

Kind regards
Regina





--

MzK

"Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
 dealt with a cat."
   -- Robert Heinlein

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

[Ian Lynch]

On 25 October 2012 17:52, Graham Lauder  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Rob already suggested a competition. I think that is a good idea and I
> can
> > help organise it but I don't want to put a lot of time into that if it is
> > not going to be considered a likely way forward. Marketing should not
> > distract code developers from their input as it is an inefficient use of
> > resources.
> >
>
> OK so let's put a proposal that we get a competition under way for complete
> branding package that will give us our 4.0 brand.  If you like I'll frame
> something tonight after work unless you want to get something started
> before then.
>

Hi Graham, go ahead. I have a deadline to get an EU project report in next
week so I can't do too much until after that.


>
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
> --
>
> > Ian
> >
> > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
> >
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> >
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Re: Apache and ODF

[Andreas Säger]

Am 25.10.2012 21:14, Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> If you search for it, you will find various solutions for converting
> ODF to EPub.  But I have not seen something that does the same for
> Kindle's MOBI format.
> 
> -Rob
> 

Thank you. I know about the converters. The problem is that all our
office documents are ODF documents. The Kindle device does not provide
any access to our documents until they have been converted by some other
device.

Re: Another logo needs updating: "Get it here!"

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

>
>
> On 10/20/2012 12:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
>>
>> This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.
>>
>> I think Drew made the most recent version of this.
>>
>> Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the "incubator"
>> block?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> oh boy...while looking around just now, it seems we DO have an svg file of
> Get it here! *without* incubator on it --
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/svg/get-aoo_**300x100.svg
>
> if this is any use ...
>
>
>>
Ok, we still need to do cleanup on this one.

Do we want to replace--

 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/get-it-here/en.png

with a link to a 300x100 rendering (without the beveled edges, so older I
suspect), at:

http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/get-aoo-300x100.png

we have .svg for this if someone wants to re-bevel.



> --
> --**--**
> 
>
> MzK
>
> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>  dealt with a cat."
>-- Robert Heinlein
>



-- 

MzK

"Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
 dealt  with a cat."
-- Robert Heinlein

Re: OpenOffice Developer Room (devroom) at FOSDEM

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 22/10/2012 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

On 12-10-22, at 04:49 , Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 10/21/12 11:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

OpenOffice its own devroom, which will be available all day Saturday (2
Feb 2013).

We should try to find out if other Apache projects will be there as well
and if we can share a booth with them.


https://fosdem.org/2013/ now lists the accepted devrooms (to make sure 
there are no misunderstandings, I sent a couple lines to the organizers 
confirming that we accept the devroom) and states that they will open 
the call for stands in the coming week.


It's a good idea to share the booth with other Apache projects: we can 
see at ApacheCon who is going to be at FOSDEM.


There is another opportunity not to miss: we can propose a (technical) 
talk about Apache OpenOffice as a Main Track Talk, see the same page. 
Deadline 31 October. It would be good if Juergen, or another developer, 
took the occasion to show something about OpenOffice and the challenges 
ahead.



Let's focus attention on this set of tasks and carry discussions on marketing 
list?


Right, Louis, but we can start right after the ApacheCon; this will 
still allow to have one month for the Call for Talks and another month 
for finalizing the schedule before the deadline (10 January). And the 
marketing list is indeed the right one.



external to Apache, soliciting funds, if that is okay with the AOO team, for 
subsidizing would-be participants' travel/lodging.


This is an unresolved issue, discussed in another thread; but actually 
we will spend less than foreseen for helping participants to ApacheCon 
EU, so we might allocate some money for FOSDEM; of course this doesn't 
solve the problem that the current fund for events is not going to be 
replenished; but there's a thread for it.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: User list and donations

[Kay Schenk]

Karl --

We're not sure what you were trying to do -- maybe send us a document 
using the E-mail feature of OpenOffice?


If this is the case, please see what is defined for your E-mail via

Tools -> Options -> Internet -> E-mail

if there is nothing there, then OpenOffice is using your "system 
default" e-mail, which may be MS Mail.


Here is some information from Yahoo on how to set up Yahoo Mail as your 
system default.


http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/settings/settings-10.html

Maybe this will help.

On 10/23/2012 04:37 PM, Karl Glode wrote:

Hi I have just updated my Apache Home Office.
I have tried to contact you by clicking the appropiate button but
Microsoft email site wants to open.I never use MS email these days, i use 
Yahoo7.
How do I make this happen that Y7 opens instead of MS

Karl



--

MzK

"Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
 dealt with a cat."
   -- Robert Heinlein

Re: Another logo needs updating: "Get it here!"

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2012 12:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
>>>
>>> This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.
>>>
>>> I think Drew made the most recent version of this.
>>>
>>> Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the "incubator"
>>> block?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>
>> oh boy...while looking around just now, it seems we DO have an svg file of
>> Get it here! *without* incubator on it --
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/svg/get-aoo_**300x100.svg
>>
>> if this is any use ...
>>
>>
>>>
> Ok, we still need to do cleanup on this one.
>
> Do we want to replace--
>
>  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/get-it-here/en.png
>
> with a link to a 300x100 rendering (without the beveled edges, so older I
> suspect), at:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/get-aoo-300x100.png
>

OK.  That's why I did for now.  It is same size and everything.

-Rob


> we have .svg for this if someone wants to re-bevel.
>
>
>
>> --
>> --**--**
>> 
>>
>> MzK
>>
>> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>>  dealt with a cat."
>>-- Robert Heinlein
>>
>
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>  dealt  with a cat."
> -- Robert Heinlein

Re: Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 - Dec 13th Beijing

[Peter Junge]

Hi Don,

thanks for the notice. Unfortunately, the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 
seem to lack of promoting the event. I only heard about it by 
coincidence a couple of days ago.


(more inline)

On 10/25/2012 9:47 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:



[...]


we plan the main topic around cloud computing: open source really

produce a

basement  to the cloud computing, like Apache Hadoop and cloudstack;

welcome

any open source topic in or out of this area.




The Apache OpenOffice community has a significant local representation in
Beijing. I'm cc'ing the community
to alert our Chinese contributors to reach out to you and explore the
possibility of adding an Apache OpenOffice
session to increase its visibility. We just graduated to an Apache TLP, so
we have a solid foundation upon which
to build with a strong global community. The Chinese community is very
important and making a large contribution.


As I seem to be the only one in Beijing who's with OpenOffice from the 
beginning, I'd like to offer a talk about the history of OOo, if that is 
of interest. As the 13th is a weekday, I just have to find out if I can 
take a day off my daily job.


@concom: I cannot find anything about the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 at 
http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/
Do you have a link to the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 for me? I want to 
write an event announcement at the homepage of the Beijing Linux User 
Group (http://blug.chinalug.org/). We're reaching quite a few geeks.


Best regards,
Peter

Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot base don revision r1400866

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2012-10-24 9:27 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

I have provided full install set for all supported languages and a
further language pack for en-US + the SDK and src release.


I can't find the en-US language pack. I get the following message:

   Not Found
   The requested URL
   
/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/macos/Apache_OpenOffice-SDK_3.5.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg
   was not found on this server.


--
_

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - 
Edgard Varese

Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot base don revision r1400866

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2012-10-25 10:24 PM Larry Gusaas wrote:

On 2012-10-24 9:27 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

I have provided full install set for all supported languages and a
further language pack for en-US + the SDK and src release.


I can't find the en-US language pack. I get the following message:

   Not Found
   The requested URL
/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/macos/Apache_OpenOffice-SDK_3.5.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg
   was not found on this server.


Oops, wrong URL.
The requested URL 
/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/macos/languagepacks/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_MacOS_x86_langpack_en-US.dmg 
was not found on this server.



--
_

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - 
Edgard Varese

Re: Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 - Dec 13th Beijing

[Fan Zheng]

Hi, Donald:

Sorry that Shen Feng was sick for several days, and I guess that maybe he
will be back on next Monday.

Thanks.

ZhengFan

2012/10/25 Donald Harbison 

> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Justin Erenkrantz  >wrote:
>
> > I'm moving this thread over to con...@apache.org which is the right
> > address to continue this conversation.
> >
> > +1 for the event - you all have run this type of event several times
> > before, so I trust that you know what you are doing and will put on a
> > terrific event for the local audience!
> >
> > Please let me know if there's anything we can do on our end to assist.
> >
> > Good luck!  -- justin
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Jimmy,Jing Lv 
> wrote:
> > > Hello community, board,
> > >
> > >We are planning the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012. This year we've
> got
> > > sponsor from cloud valley world (
> > http://www.cloudvalleyworld.com/index.php)
> > > and China Opensource Promotion Union(http://www.copu.org.cn/), and it
> > will
> > > be held in Beijing. Here is the plan:
> > > 1. The target date is one day after the cloud valley world event, Dec
> > 13th
> > > (BTW, the cloud valley world has invited some key person in China IT
> > > Industry, including VP MSFT China, VP Intel China, CTO Alibaba etc,
> it's
> > a
> > > great if Apache/open source can speak aloud). We got sponsor from the
> > > CloudValleyWorld for the conference room (in Beijing, ZhongGuanCun)
> > > 2. It'll be one-day event, including 3 key speaker and 4+ sessions. And
> > plan
> > > to have 100+ audiences.
> > > we plan the main topic around cloud computing: open source really
> > produce a
> > > basement  to the cloud computing, like Apache Hadoop and cloudstack;
> > welcome
> > > any open source topic in or out of this area.
> >
>
> The Apache OpenOffice community has a significant local representation in
> Beijing. I'm cc'ing the community
> to alert our Chinese contributors to reach out to you and explore the
> possibility of adding an Apache OpenOffice
> session to increase its visibility. We just graduated to an Apache TLP, so
> we have a solid foundation upon which
> to build with a strong global community. The Chinese community is very
> important and making a large contribution.
>
> Sheng Feng Liu, what do you think?
>
>
> > > 3. As last event, we may setup the homepage, and T-Shirt/Flyer etc will
> > be
> > > prepared
> > >
> > >   We'd like to request the approval for this event, and will post
> in
> > the
> > > Apache Conference list with the detail plan, agenda and budget.
> > >   We'd like invite someone from board or our member to attend this
> > > event. Please tell us if interested.
> > >
> > >   Any suggestions/comments? Thanks!
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Best Regards!
> > >
> > > Jimmy, Jing Lv
> > > Apache Member
> >
>

Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot base don revision r1400866

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 26/10/2012 Larry Gusaas wrote:

The requested URL
/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/macos/languagepacks/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_MacOS_x86_langpack_en-US.dmg
was not found on this server.


This is the list of remaining broken links (excluding checksums) at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds 
:


http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/windows/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Win_x86_install_sk.exe
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/windows/languagepacks/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Win_x86_langpack_en-US.exe
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/macos/languagepacks/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_MacOS_x86_langpack_en-US.dmg
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/windows/Apache_OpenOffice-SDK_3.5.0_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/macos/Apache_OpenOffice-SDK_3.5.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg

Also note that
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/windows/
seems to contain Polish (pl) builds too, but they are not listed. Example:
http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/r1400866/windows/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Win_x86_install_pl.exe

Regards,
  Andrea.