Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 4, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? I thought the same thing at first. At the bottom of that form there is a link to another specialized for for podling list requests. Some extra structure to support the naming conventions: https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator We want ooo-api@i.a.o Thanks! I submitted this yesterday and it did all of its subversion stuff, but still no list. I was waiting for a message, but I see nothing in private @ i.a.o and nothing in ooo-private? Did anyone ever get a notification on this? Yes. I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. That would come from the TLP. I saw the email yesterday midday shortly after it occurred. Sorry I did not respond to this thread until now. I have been extremely busy and traveled across the continent on Friday and back yesterday. On top of that work release today. And back in the air tomorrow. Regards, Dave -Rob I have no time to try to track this down. Would some other good person do so? Thanks! Regards, Dave -Rob Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Hi. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. You can add in forum. (: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Yes. You can add. I still didn't change in the cvs, I can try. Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) We are to take a look. Albino
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. Please include ooo-announce too. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) On http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development because it is the first result item, if you search for OpenOffice extension development. Kind regards Regina
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. Please include ooo-announce too. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Done. Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) Done. On http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development because it is the first result item, if you search for OpenOffice extension development. Done. Next step the mailing lists. -Rob Kind regards Regina
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. Sure, just let me know what should we tell them. Roberto Please include ooo-announce too. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Done. Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) Done. On http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development because it is the first result item, if you search for OpenOffice extension development. Done. Next step the mailing lists. -Rob Kind regards Regina -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
2012/10/9 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. Done for the ES and IT forums. Rob already did it for the EN forum. Regards Ricardo Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 4, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? I thought the same thing at first. At the bottom of that form there is a link to another specialized for for podling list requests. Some extra structure to support the naming conventions: https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator We want ooo-api@i.a.o Thanks! I submitted this yesterday and it did all of its subversion stuff, but still no list. I was waiting for a message, but I see nothing in private @ i.a.o and nothing in ooo-private? Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. -Rob I have no time to try to track this down. Would some other good person do so? Thanks! Regards, Dave -Rob Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Hi. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. +1 Albino
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgppckl3j5Co5.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
-Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 2:48 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community) snip Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. You were added as an initial moderator, initial moderators are automatically subscribed by default. Gav... -Rob I have no time to try to track this down. Would some other good person do so? Thanks! Regards, Dave -Rob Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Oct 4, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? I thought the same thing at first. At the bottom of that form there is a link to another specialized for for podling list requests. Some extra structure to support the naming conventions: https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator We want ooo-api@i.a.o Thanks! I submitted this yesterday and it did all of its subversion stuff, but still no list. I was waiting for a message, but I see nothing in private @ i.a.o and nothing in ooo-private? I have no time to try to track this down. Would some other good person do so? Thanks! Regards, Dave -Rob Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On 02/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote: Certainly ooo-...@incubator.apache.org is fine with me if that's what we all want now. But I don't know if it is too late. List names will have to be revised when we graduate anyway, so at that time we might be able to change it to whatever we agree upon. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) The form told me that ooo-app...@incubator.apache.org already exists. When I try to subscribe I get this error: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. ooo-appdev-subscr...@incubator.apache.org: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) So I don't think it actually exists. Or at least it doesn't think it exists ;-) Could you try again, but with the name ooo-...@incubator.apache.org? That seems to be the preferred name. Thanks! -Rob Regards, Dave
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:01 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-10-01, at 08:49 , Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 5 days have passed and no objections were raised, so I'll start moving this forward. No luck with a JIRA issue asking Infra to create the new mailing list. Evidently they are moving to a new request system that uses a form that only Apache Members and Officers can access. So until we graduate we need to filter mailing list creation requests through a Mentor or someone else with permissions. Details for the list request are here, if anyone is able to help: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Regards, Dave Regards, -Rob Great, thanks. Louis -Rob On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I'm shifting my focus more to the extended OpenOffice ecosystem rather than day-to-day release-cycle tasks. One of the things I'd like to push for is reinvigorating the application development community. In the legacy project we supported extensions authors via a dedicated mailing list, a wiki, its own IRC channel, and of course the extensions repository website. Today we have very little of that active. I'd like to breath some new life into this part of the ecosystem. Now that we have a steady heartbeat of releases, both delivered and planned, and a solid record of end-user downloads, it is easier to argue the value of developing extensions for OpenOffice. I'd like to help promote this side of the ecosystem via the following tasks: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. If there are no objections to the above I'll go ahead with step 1 in 72 hours. I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. And of course, if anyone wants to help with other parts of the above, or complimentary tasks, please let me know. Regards, -Rob
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made)
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) The form told me that ooo-app...@incubator.apache.org already exists. Regards, Dave
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Ross Gardler wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 15:51:04 +0100: On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? Click the link at the very bottom.
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:53:45AM -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) The form told me that ooo-app...@incubator.apache.org already exists. Was this the final name of the list? A better one could have been extensions@ or better api@ (yes, I know it's late, but I've been busy). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpeBNEp5POLv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:53:45AM -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) The form told me that ooo-app...@incubator.apache.org already exists. Was this the final name of the list? A better one could have been extensions@ or better api@ (yes, I know it's late, but I've been busy). I wanted to be compressive of user/developers working with macros, scripts and extensions. Application Development (AppDev) includes all of them. -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 11:47:33AM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) The form told me that ooo-app...@incubator.apache.org already exists. Was this the final name of the list? A better one could have been extensions@ or better api@ (yes, I know it's late, but I've been busy). I wanted to be compressive of user/developers working with macros, scripts and extensions. Application Development (AppDev) includes all of them. Yes, it makes sense, but the abbreviation in itself is not meaningful, IMHO, and reminds of http://www.appdev.com/ and other commercial stuff, while api@ sounds more neutral; and OpenOffice.org API users/extension developers are used to it (in order to get an idea of the activity on this area, in OpenOffice.org days, you have to browse api@ mailing list, most of the traffic was there, not in extensions@). So, for the average OpenOffice.org extension/application developer, api@s already makes sense. Besides, an api@ list sound like the proper place to discuss API design and changes (like the ones that should be done in AOO 4.0). Just a question of taste, I could live with appdev :) Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpeC5aCPSUS1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On 10/2/12 5:58 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 11:47:33AM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) The form told me that ooo-app...@incubator.apache.org already exists. Was this the final name of the list? A better one could have been extensions@ or better api@ (yes, I know it's late, but I've been busy). I wanted to be compressive of user/developers working with macros, scripts and extensions. Application Development (AppDev) includes all of them. Yes, it makes sense, but the abbreviation in itself is not meaningful, IMHO, and reminds of http://www.appdev.com/ and other commercial stuff, while api@ sounds more neutral; and OpenOffice.org API users/extension developers are used to it (in order to get an idea of the activity on this area, in OpenOffice.org days, you have to browse api@ mailing list, most of the traffic was there, not in extensions@). So, for the average OpenOffice.org extension/application developer, api@s already makes sense. Besides, an api@ list sound like the proper place to discuss API design and changes (like the ones that should be done in AOO 4.0). Just a question of taste, I could live with appdev :) me too, but I agree to Ariel and I would have preferred a...@incubator.openoffice.apache.org as well for the same reasons. Juergen
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/2/12 5:58 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 11:47:33AM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) The form told me that ooo-app...@incubator.apache.org already exists. Was this the final name of the list? A better one could have been extensions@ or better api@ (yes, I know it's late, but I've been busy). I wanted to be compressive of user/developers working with macros, scripts and extensions. Application Development (AppDev) includes all of them. Yes, it makes sense, but the abbreviation in itself is not meaningful, IMHO, and reminds of http://www.appdev.com/ and other commercial stuff, while api@ sounds more neutral; and OpenOffice.org API users/extension developers are used to it (in order to get an idea of the activity on this area, in OpenOffice.org days, you have to browse api@ mailing list, most of the traffic was there, not in extensions@). So, for the average OpenOffice.org extension/application developer, api@s already makes sense. Besides, an api@ list sound like the proper place to discuss API design and changes (like the ones that should be done in AOO 4.0). Just a question of taste, I could live with appdev :) me too, but I agree to Ariel and I would have preferred a...@incubator.openoffice.apache.org as well for the same reasons. It would have been nice to have known this preference much earlier. Certainly ooo-...@incubator.apache.org is fine with me if that's what we all want now. But I don't know if it is too late. I have zero visibility into the process at this point. -Rob Juergen
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Hi. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: It would have been nice to have known this preference much earlier. Certainly ooo-...@incubator.apache.org is fine with me if that's what we all want now. Yeah! But I don't know if it is too late. I have zero visibility into the process at this point. I think the staff infra can do so. How not yet created the list. Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
5 days have passed and no objections were raised, so I'll start moving this forward. -Rob On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I'm shifting my focus more to the extended OpenOffice ecosystem rather than day-to-day release-cycle tasks. One of the things I'd like to push for is reinvigorating the application development community. In the legacy project we supported extensions authors via a dedicated mailing list, a wiki, its own IRC channel, and of course the extensions repository website. Today we have very little of that active. I'd like to breath some new life into this part of the ecosystem. Now that we have a steady heartbeat of releases, both delivered and planned, and a solid record of end-user downloads, it is easier to argue the value of developing extensions for OpenOffice. I'd like to help promote this side of the ecosystem via the following tasks: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. If there are no objections to the above I'll go ahead with step 1 in 72 hours. I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. And of course, if anyone wants to help with other parts of the above, or complimentary tasks, please let me know. Regards, -Rob
Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
On 12-10-01, at 08:49 , Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 5 days have passed and no objections were raised, so I'll start moving this forward. Great, thanks. Louis -Rob On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I'm shifting my focus more to the extended OpenOffice ecosystem rather than day-to-day release-cycle tasks. One of the things I'd like to push for is reinvigorating the application development community. In the legacy project we supported extensions authors via a dedicated mailing list, a wiki, its own IRC channel, and of course the extensions repository website. Today we have very little of that active. I'd like to breath some new life into this part of the ecosystem. Now that we have a steady heartbeat of releases, both delivered and planned, and a solid record of end-user downloads, it is easier to argue the value of developing extensions for OpenOffice. I'd like to help promote this side of the ecosystem via the following tasks: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. If there are no objections to the above I'll go ahead with step 1 in 72 hours. I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. And of course, if anyone wants to help with other parts of the above, or complimentary tasks, please let me know. Regards, -Rob
Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
KG01 - See comments inline. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. I agree. Demand for emails here on ooo-dev is great, a specific list for API/extension will be better. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). KG01 - I say will integrate the extension experience within the editors. Start pages and docked task panes could promote extensions and drive traffic to extension marketplace/downloadplace/place where we keep them ;) Furthermore, we could create an integrated extension manager that actually allows users to browse, select and enable extensions, just like an iTunes app store or the Evernote trunk. The goal would be to keep users in the AOO tools and bring the extensions to them - on demand. This would scale well to support any effort to reduce the footprint and surface advanced capabilites via extensions. 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. Yeah! We need listing more users. (: I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. Me. Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
On 9/27/12 3:22 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote: KG01 - See comments inline. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. I agree. Demand for emails here on ooo-dev is great, a specific list for API/extension will be better. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). KG01 - I say will integrate the extension experience within the editors. Start pages and docked task panes could promote extensions and drive traffic to extension marketplace/downloadplace/place where we keep them ;) Furthermore, we could create an integrated extension manager that actually allows users to browse, select and enable extensions, just like an iTunes app store or the Evernote trunk. The goal would be to keep users in the AOO tools and bring the extensions to them - on demand. This would scale well to support any effort to reduce the footprint and surface advanced capabilites via extensions. That was the initial idea of us when we started with the extension manager. It's still on a my wish list together with a smoother integration of the template repository. Easy navigating online templates, bookmark them, download them for offline usage etc. And both repo's would be configurable for enterprise internal usage, means internal repo's and no public ones. Juergen 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. Yeah! We need listing more users. (: I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. Me. Albino
[PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I'm shifting my focus more to the extended OpenOffice ecosystem rather than day-to-day release-cycle tasks. One of the things I'd like to push for is reinvigorating the application development community. In the legacy project we supported extensions authors via a dedicated mailing list, a wiki, its own IRC channel, and of course the extensions repository website. Today we have very little of that active. I'd like to breath some new life into this part of the ecosystem. Now that we have a steady heartbeat of releases, both delivered and planned, and a solid record of end-user downloads, it is easier to argue the value of developing extensions for OpenOffice. I'd like to help promote this side of the ecosystem via the following tasks: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. If there are no objections to the above I'll go ahead with step 1 in 72 hours. I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. And of course, if anyone wants to help with other parts of the above, or complimentary tasks, please let me know. Regards, -Rob
Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I'm shifting my focus more to the extended OpenOffice ecosystem rather than day-to-day release-cycle tasks. One of the things I'd like to push for is reinvigorating the application development community. In the legacy project we supported extensions authors via a dedicated mailing list, a wiki, its own IRC channel, and of course the extensions repository website. Today we have very little of that active. I'd like to breath some new life into this part of the ecosystem. Now that we have a steady heartbeat of releases, both delivered and planned, and a solid record of end-user downloads, it is easier to argue the value of developing extensions for OpenOffice. I'd like to help promote this side of the ecosystem via the following tasks: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. Sure. As you might remember we already sent a note to all Extensions' and Templates' users at migration time, and we might do it again. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. If there are no objections to the above I'll go ahead with step 1 in 72 hours. I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. I'm open to help. Roberto And of course, if anyone wants to help with other parts of the above, or complimentary tasks, please let me know. Regards, -Rob -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2012 um 19:34 schrieb Rob Weir: As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I'm shifting my focus more to the extended OpenOffice ecosystem rather than day-to-day release-cycle tasks. One of the things I'd like to push for is reinvigorating the application development community. In the legacy project we supported extensions authors via a dedicated mailing list, a wiki, its own IRC channel, and of course the extensions repository website. Today we have very little of that active. I'd like to breath some new life into this part of the ecosystem. Now that we have a steady heartbeat of releases, both delivered and planned, and a solid record of end-user downloads, it is easier to argue the value of developing extensions for OpenOffice. I'd like to help promote this side of the ecosystem via the following tasks: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. we guided all subscribers of the former API and extensions mailing list on ooo-dev. I agree that the traffic here is high and maybe it's time for a separate list but I am not sure. But we can try it. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. Most important is to improve the API's and the development tools to make extension development easier and more fun. For example it's motivating if you can run a wizard in an IDE in a few minutes and get as result a working extension skeleton that can be deployed already in the office. My favorite example is to create a completely working calc add-in in less than 5 minutes. A 100% working build-in function that users can call via the normal function dialog in the same way as any other function in calc. Similar stuff with other wizards, the key point is to make the start easy and help developers to solve their tasks easy. But of course a huge example collection, tutorials and good docu is important as well. Juergen If there are no objections to the above I'll go ahead with step 1 in 72 hours. I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. And of course, if anyone wants to help with other parts of the above, or complimentary tasks, please let me know. Regards, -Rob
Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community
Hi. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 1) Create a new mailing list: ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer). I'll assert that the current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to thrive. If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99% irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be disruptive to the end-user subscribers there. Extension authors really are a distinct sub-community of their own. I agree. Demand for emails here on ooo-dev is great, a specific list for API/extension will be better. 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means: website, social networking, maybe a blog post. 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to joint the list. I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since they might already have the means to send them all an email. 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our website featuring an extension of the week (or day). 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and wiki. Yeah! We need listing more users. (: I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well. Me. Albino
