Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 21:46 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, drew wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 21:09 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO > >> >> >> 3.4 > >> >> >> install downloads. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > why not! :) > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > >> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > >> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > >> >> OpenOffice. > >> >> > >> > > >> > this definitely makes sense... > >> > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with > >> > Apache. > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > >> > > >> > >> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If > >> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing > >> on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait > >> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. > >> > >> So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via > >> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we > >> actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also > >> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, > >> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. > > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry, again I suppose I've missed stuff - what larger Symphony > > announcement? > > > > Don was working on something. Check his posts. > Hi Rob Yes indeed I have read read his posts on the subject along with the other emails in the thread(s). For some reason I thought you where adding something beyond that, or rather mentioning something other then that. Thanks. //drew
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, drew wrote: > On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 21:09 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 >> >> >> install downloads. >> >> >> >> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > why not! :) >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this. But after this I suggest we only >> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend >> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving >> >> OpenOffice. >> >> >> > >> > this definitely makes sense... >> > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache. >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. >> > >> >> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If >> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing >> on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait >> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. >> >> So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via >> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we >> actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also >> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, >> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. > > Hi, > > Sorry, again I suppose I've missed stuff - what larger Symphony > announcement? > Don was working on something. Check his posts. -Rob > Thanks, > > //drew > >> >> > >> > >> >> A good problem to have ;-) >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >> >> >> working on? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > yes...good idea! >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > MzK >> >> > >> >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> >> > -- Mark Twain >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > MzK >> > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> > -- Mark Twain >> > >
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 21:09 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 > >> >> install downloads. > >> >> > >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > >> > > >> > > >> > why not! :) > >> > > >> > >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > >> OpenOffice. > >> > > > > this definitely makes sense... > > > > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache. > > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make > > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > > > > It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If > we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing > on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait > until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. > > So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via > ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we > actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also > note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, > 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. Hi, Sorry, again I suppose I've missed stuff - what larger Symphony announcement? Thanks, //drew > > > > > > >> A good problem to have ;-) > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > > >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was > >> >> working on? > >> > > >> > > >> > yes...good idea! > >> > > >> >> > >> >> -Rob > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > MzK > >> > > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > >> > -- Mark Twain > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > MzK > > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > -- Mark Twain >
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 >>> >> install downloads. >>> >> >>> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. >>> > >>> > >>> > why not! :) >>> > >>> >>> OK. I'll work with Don on this. But after this I suggest we only >>> note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend >>> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving >>> OpenOffice. >>> >> >> this definitely makes sense... >> >> We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache. >> Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make >> note of this and include a mention of how successful this new >> environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. >> > > It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If > we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing > on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait > until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. > Just checked and we're at 1.98 million. So we'll hit 2 million later this evening. I'll start the write-up. -Rob > So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via > ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we > actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also > note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, > 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. > >> >> >>> A good problem to have ;-) >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> > >>> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >>> >> working on? >>> > >>> > >>> > yes...good idea! >>> > >>> >> >>> >> -Rob >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > MzK >>> > >>> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >>> > -- Mark Twain >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> MzK >> >> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 9:19 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote: > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, drew jensen wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > >> On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew" wrote: > >> > > >> > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we > >> downplayed > >> > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts, > >> > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have > >> > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice. > >> > > >> > Hi Ross, > >> > > >> > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple. > >> > >> Of course. Will we then have silence? > >> > >> Oh, and your welcome. > > > > I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did > > more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more > > substance at this point. > > > > For instance: > > > > How are strategic goals going to be set? > > > > In a volunteer project with varying priorities, strategy is more of an > average of our individual interests than some a priori that we agree > on. Yes, but individuals can say "my interest and effort is in the area of..." > > What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user > > computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they? > > > > Where there is interest, volunteers make things happen. Right, so let's have those volunteers speak... > > Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work, > > is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see > > that start to change. > > > > Proactive talk is still just talk. IMHO we need more action and less > talk. In fact lazy consensus, JFDI and CTR are designed to reduce > unnecessary discussion. We need action on community development too. The community is not struggling, but more contributors are good (if only to mange natural attrition). JFDI and CTR are only useful if there are people able to JFDI and CTR. Community development is about sending out positive messages. Remember this thread is not about development strategy, it is about marketing strategy. Ross
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, drew jensen wrote: > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: >> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. >> On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew" wrote: >> > >> > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: >> > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we >> downplayed >> > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts, >> > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have >> > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice. >> > >> > Hi Ross, >> > >> > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple. >> >> Of course. Will we then have silence? >> >> Oh, and your welcome. > > I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did > more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more > substance at this point. > > For instance: > > How are strategic goals going to be set? > In a volunteer project with varying priorities, strategy is more of an average of our individual interests than some a priori that we agree on. Of course, we might have short-term or median-term goals that we collectively execute on. But this particular project growing so fast that long-term strategy is "whatever we do", since the stakeholders of the project are constantly shifting. We're not going to have a stable "long term strategy" while we are still voting in PPMC members every other day, and seeing new companies join every other week. Not a bad thing, just a reflection that stability of goals assumes a stability of stakeholders. > What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user > computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they? > Where there is interest, volunteers make things happen. We see that with the *BSD, OS/2 and Solaris ports. If someone is interested in testing with Windows 8 then we will support that. There is nothing magical here. No one can compel volunteers to work on a particular task, > There is a whole slew of real questions I don't hear being addressed = I > see Kevin talking about a UX team and being chided for it, yet I read in > emails that a QE lead is already selected, and I wonder - when did that > happen? > It didn't. Maybe a language misunderstanding? > I read a few sideways remarks about patches in the LibreOffice group, > removing dead code or instance - something that was talked about for > years at OO.o but always no solution for lack of bodies - well, ok make > your cracks but I want to know then how is this group going to deal with > that, or will it? > If someone wants to, they are welcome to remove dead code. If someone wants to do this, but doesn't know how, then they are welcome to ask for assistance. But I wouldn't assume that anyone wants to do that. It sounds like dreadfully boring work. > Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work, > is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see > that start to change. > Proactive talk is still just talk. IMHO we need more action and less talk. In fact lazy consensus, JFDI and CTR are designed to reduce unnecessary discussion. That said, if anyone feels unable to do something they want to do, for lack of a documented "5-year plan for the project", then they should speak up ;-) -Rob > //drew > > >> >> Ross >> >> > >> > //drew >> > >> > > >> > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. >> > > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. >> > > > > >> > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've >> done >> > > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put >> together. It >> > > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more >> > > > important >> > > > > than the coding. Not a good thing. >> > > > >> > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community >> > > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy >> > > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants >> > > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog. >> > > > >> > > > Roberto >> > > > >> > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to >> use. >> > > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are >> milestones >> > > > to >> > > > > hang these things from. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Ross >> > > > > >> > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. >> > > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012
Re: AOO 2 million?
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 8:37 PM, "drew jensen" wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew" wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we > > downplayed > > > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts, > > > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have > > > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice. > > > > > > Hi Ross, > > > > > > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple. > > > > Of course. Will we then have silence? > > > > Oh, and your welcome. > > I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did > more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more > substance at this point. +1000 (including your further comments below) Ross > > For instance: > > How are strategic goals going to be set? > > What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user > computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they? > > There is a whole slew of real questions I don't hear being addressed = I > see Kevin talking about a UX team and being chided for it, yet I read in > emails that a QE lead is already selected, and I wonder - when did that > happen? > > I read a few sideways remarks about patches in the LibreOffice group, > removing dead code or instance - something that was talked about for > years at OO.o but always no solution for lack of bodies - well, ok make > your cracks but I want to know then how is this group going to deal with > that, or will it? > > Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work, > is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see > that start to change. > > //drew > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > > > //drew > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > > > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. > > > > > > > > > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've > > done > > > > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put > > together. It > > > > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more > > > > > important > > > > > > than the coding. Not a good thing. > > > > > > > > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community > > > > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy > > > > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants > > > > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog. > > > > > > > > > > Roberto > > > > > > > > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to > > use. > > > > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are > > milestones > > > > > to > > > > > > hang these things from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk < > > kay.sch...@gmail.com > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million > > for > > > > > AOO > > > > > >> 3.4 > > > > > >> > > >> install downloads. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 > > > > > million. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > why not! :) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we > > only > > > > > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will > > spend > > > > > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time > > improving > > > > > >> > > OpenOffice. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > this definitely makes sense... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice > > with > > > > > >> Apache. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! > > :)) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, > > might > > > > > make > > > > > >> > note of this and include a mention o
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 20:00 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew" wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we > downplayed > > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts, > > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have > > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice. > > > > Hi Ross, > > > > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple. > > Of course. Will we then have silence? > > Oh, and your welcome. I do appreciate what you did, and I would not be bothered if you did more to be honest, but I am ready to hear from others about more substance at this point. For instance: How are strategic goals going to be set? What plans are there for addressing the changes happening with user computing platforms (web, mobile), or will they? There is a whole slew of real questions I don't hear being addressed = I see Kevin talking about a UX team and being chided for it, yet I read in emails that a QE lead is already selected, and I wonder - when did that happen? I read a few sideways remarks about patches in the LibreOffice group, removing dead code or instance - something that was talked about for years at OO.o but always no solution for lack of bodies - well, ok make your cracks but I want to know then how is this group going to deal with that, or will it? Put another way, it seems to me that most of the talk, indeed the work, is still reactive and not yet proactive and I would really like to see that start to change. //drew > > Ross > > > > > //drew > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler > > > > wrote: > > > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. > > > > > > > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've > done > > > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put > together. It > > > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more > > > > important > > > > > than the coding. Not a good thing. > > > > > > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community > > > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy > > > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants > > > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog. > > > > > > > > Roberto > > > > > > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to > use. > > > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are > milestones > > > > to > > > > > hang these things from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > > >> > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk < > kay.sch...@gmail.com > > > > >> > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million > for > > > > AOO > > > > >> 3.4 > > > > >> > > >> install downloads. > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 > > > > million. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > why not! :) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we > only > > > > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will > spend > > > > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time > improving > > > > >> > > OpenOffice. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > this definitely makes sense... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice > with > > > > >> Apache. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! > :)) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, > might > > > > make > > > > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > > > > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community > members > > > > so > > > > >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher > ready to > > > > go > > > > >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease. > > > > >> > > > > >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previo
Re: AOO 2 million?
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 11:54 AM, "drew" wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we downplayed > > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts, > > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have > > *more* committees speaking with their own voice. > > Hi Ross, > > Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple. Of course. Will we then have silence? Oh, and your welcome. Ross > > //drew > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" wrote: > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler > > > wrote: > > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. > > > > > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done > > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It > > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more > > > important > > > > than the coding. Not a good thing. > > > > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community > > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy > > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants > > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog. > > > > > > Roberto > > > > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use. > > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones > > > to > > > > hang these things from. > > > > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > >> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk < kay.sch...@gmail.com > > > >> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for > > > AOO > > > >> 3.4 > > > >> > > >> install downloads. > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 > > > million. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > why not! :) > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > > > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > > > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > > > >> > > OpenOffice. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > this definitely makes sense... > > > >> > > > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with > > > >> Apache. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :)) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might > > > make > > > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > > > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members > > > so > > > >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to > > > go > > > >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease. > > > >> > > > >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a > > > 'Meet > > > >> and Greet'? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > A good problem to have ;-) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -Rob > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don > > > was > > > >> > > >> working on? > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > yes...good idea! > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> -Rob > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > MzK > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > > >> > > > -- Mark Twain > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > MzK > > > >> > > > > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > > >> > -- Mark Twain > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It > > > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > > > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
Re: AOO 2 million?
Rob Weir wrote: It would be good if we can find a way to distinguish those two scenarios when we enable the OOo 3.3 upgrades. For example, a URL parameter, even if we don't use it in processing We already have dedicated hostnames embedded in the suite (the one for version 3.3 is update36.services.openoffice.org), so this is surely technically feasible and it will enable multiple levels of statistics (how many hits the update service -"Check for updates"- receives, how many people actually go to the download page and how many of them actually initiate the download). Which are all good to have, indeed. Regards, Andrea.
Re: AOO 2 million?
Sent from my iPhone On 26/mag/2012, at 18:19, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk >>> wrote: >> >> >> On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO >>> 3.4 >>> install downloads. >>> >>> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. >> >> >> why not! :) >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > OpenOffice. > this definitely makes sense... We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with >>> Apache. Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make note of this and include a mention of how successful this new environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. >>> >>> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If >>> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing >>> on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait >>> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. >>> >>> So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via >>> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we >>> actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also >>> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, >>> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. >>> >> >> +1 on this. >> >> I think this approach would certainly steer us in the "future development" >> direction and a bit away from tooting our own horn. Not that I think the >> latter is a bad thing, but, it would be better to prevent the "flash in the >> pan" business mentioned by Louis. >> >> As for the new climbing numbers -- well maybe some folks have been reading >> reviews and wondering what AOO is all about. I wouldn't be surprised if >> some of the latest downloads were from "new" customers. >> > > I see it like this: Analysts like Gartner were forecasting 2012 new > PC sales of around 400 million units. Let's say 1/2 of them need some > sort of office-suite on them. And suppose we have a market share of > 10%, which is what optimistically OOo was at its peak. So even if > everyone in the world who wanted OpenOffice already had OpenOffice, we > would expect 20 million downloads/year just from the new PC sales. > > But to get 20 million in a year would only generate around 55K > downloads/day. We're getting twice that. So that suggests we're > still getting strong downloads from upgrades on existing OOo > installations as well as new installs on existing PCs. > > It would be good if we can find a way to distinguish those two > scenarios when we enable the OOo 3.3 upgrades. For example, a URL > parameter, even if we don't use it in processing, to indicate that the > user came to download.html via an upgrade, e.g.: > http://download.openoffice.org?upgrade=3.3.0 Yea, it makes sense a lot of sense to me. Roberto > > >> > A good problem to have ;-) > > -Rob > >> >>> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >>> working on? >> >> >> yes...good idea! >> >>> >>> -Rob >> >> >> -- >> >>> >> MzK >> >> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> -- Mark Twain > -- >>> MzK "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Mark Twain >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> MzK >> >> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> -- Mark Twain -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO >> 3.4 >> >> >> install downloads. >> >> >> >> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > why not! :) >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this. But after this I suggest we only >> >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend >> >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving >> >> OpenOffice. >> >> >> > >> > this definitely makes sense... >> > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with >> Apache. >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. >> > >> >> It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If >> we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing >> on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait >> until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. >> >> So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via >> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we >> actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also >> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, >> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. >> > > +1 on this. > > I think this approach would certainly steer us in the "future development" > direction and a bit away from tooting our own horn. Not that I think the > latter is a bad thing, but, it would be better to prevent the "flash in the > pan" business mentioned by Louis. > > As for the new climbing numbers -- well maybe some folks have been reading > reviews and wondering what AOO is all about. I wouldn't be surprised if > some of the latest downloads were from "new" customers. > I see it like this: Analysts like Gartner were forecasting 2012 new PC sales of around 400 million units. Let's say 1/2 of them need some sort of office-suite on them. And suppose we have a market share of 10%, which is what optimistically OOo was at its peak. So even if everyone in the world who wanted OpenOffice already had OpenOffice, we would expect 20 million downloads/year just from the new PC sales. But to get 20 million in a year would only generate around 55K downloads/day. We're getting twice that. So that suggests we're still getting strong downloads from upgrades on existing OOo installations as well as new installs on existing PCs. It would be good if we can find a way to distinguish those two scenarios when we enable the OOo 3.3 upgrades. For example, a URL parameter, even if we don't use it in processing, to indicate that the user came to download.html via an upgrade, e.g.: http://download.openoffice.org?upgrade=3.3.0 > >> > >> > >> >> A good problem to have ;-) >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >> >> >> working on? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > yes...good idea! >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> >> > MzK >> >> > >> >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> >> > -- Mark Twain >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> >> > MzK >> > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> > -- Mark Twain >> > > > > -- > > MzK > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO > 3.4 > >> >> install downloads. > >> >> > >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > >> > > >> > > >> > why not! :) > >> > > >> > >> OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > >> OpenOffice. > >> > > > > this definitely makes sense... > > > > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with > Apache. > > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make > > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > > > > It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If > we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing > on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait > until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. > > So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via > ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we > actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also > note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, > 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. > +1 on this. I think this approach would certainly steer us in the "future development" direction and a bit away from tooting our own horn. Not that I think the latter is a bad thing, but, it would be better to prevent the "flash in the pan" business mentioned by Louis. As for the new climbing numbers -- well maybe some folks have been reading reviews and wondering what AOO is all about. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the latest downloads were from "new" customers. > > > > > >> A good problem to have ;-) > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > > >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was > >> >> working on? > >> > > >> > > >> > yes...good idea! > >> > > >> >> > >> >> -Rob > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > > >> > MzK > >> > > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > >> > -- Mark Twain > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > MzK > > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > -- Mark Twain > -- MzK "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >> On 2012-05-25, at 21:09 , Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via >>> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we >>> actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also >>> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, >>> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. >> >> >> +1 > > +1 > >> But I'd also ping the various journalists, to show them and thus the world, >> that AOO is not a flash in the pan, not fools' gold but the Real Thing, to >> which value can be added and even without that, used as valued. > > As a matter of fact downloads are very slightly diminishing from the > announcement, and having those numbers public and certified by a > trusted third party could make the difference. > I'm seeing this as the download count per day, looking only at installer downloads: 05/07/1228470 05/08/1299148 05/09/12128110 05/10/12122781 05/11/12107818 05/12/1285471 05/13/1293294 05/14/12114311 05/15/12115410 05/16/12112302 05/17/12105583 05/18/12101209 05/19/1276480 05/20/1288578 05/21/12118753 05/22/12115414 05/23/12113039 05/24/12105471 So we had a peak day of 128,110, a couple of days after the release announcement. But now we're peaking at 113-118 thousand on weekdays. So still rather strong, I think. In any case, more validation is always welcome. So I've checked in the script I used to generate these stats. Anyone is welcome to download, execute and review. Enhancements are welcome as well: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/devtools/aoo-stats/aoo-stats.py The script can be executed, assuming python in in your path, as: python aoo-stats.py > output.csv The CSV file can then be imported into Calc. I find it useful to then enable the 'auto filter' and filter to show only 'install' downloads. Creating a pivot table is useful s well. -Rob > Roberto > >> Louis > > -- > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. >
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 11:25 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we downplayed > the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts, > computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have > *more* committees speaking with their own voice. Hi Ross, Then I would suggest you simply stop - it seems rather simple. //drew > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" wrote: > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler > > wrote: > > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. > > > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done > > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It > > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more > > important > > > than the coding. Not a good thing. > > > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community > > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy > > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants > > to be featured on SourceForge community blog. > > > > Roberto > > > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use. > > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones > > to > > > hang these things from. > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" wrote: > > > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: > > >> > > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > >> > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk > >> > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for > > AOO > > >> 3.4 > > >> > > >> install downloads. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 > > million. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > why not! :) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > > >> > > OpenOffice. > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > this definitely makes sense... > > >> > > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with > > >> Apache. > > >> > > >> > > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :)) > > >> > > >> > > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might > > make > > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > > >> > > > >> > > >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members > > so > > >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to > > go > > >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease. > > >> > > >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a > > 'Meet > > >> and Greet'? > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > A good problem to have ;-) > > >> > > > > >> > > -Rob > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don > > was > > >> > > >> working on? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > yes...good idea! > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -Rob > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > MzK > > >> > > > > > >> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > >> > > > -- Mark Twain > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > MzK > > >> > > > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > >> > -- Mark Twain > > >> > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It > > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly > > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately > > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any > > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. > > > >
Re: AOO 2 million?
Yes, that's true and is the point I made, in response, plus we downplayed the mentor role. But remember, I've written open letters, blog posts, computerworld articles and spoken to reporters too. The point is to have *more* committees speaking with their own voice. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 26, 2012 9:38 AM, "Roberto Galoppini" wrote: > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. > > > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done > > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It > > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more > important > > than the coding. Not a good thing. > > Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community > members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy > to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants > to be featured on SourceForge community blog. > > Roberto > > > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use. > > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones > to > > hang these things from. > > > > > Ross > > > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" wrote: > > > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> > >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for > AOO > >> 3.4 > >> > > >> install downloads. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 > million. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > why not! :) > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > >> > > OpenOffice. > >> > > > >> > > >> > this definitely makes sense... > >> > > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with > >> Apache. > >> > >> > >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :)) > >> > >> > >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might > make > >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > >> > > >> > >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members > so > >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to > go > >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease. > >> > >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a > 'Meet > >> and Greet'? > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > A good problem to have ;-) > >> > > > >> > > -Rob > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don > was > >> > > >> working on? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > yes...good idea! > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> -Rob > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > MzK > >> > > > > >> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > >> > > > -- Mark Twain > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > MzK > >> > > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > >> > -- Mark Twain > >> > > >> > > -- > > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you. > >
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > +1 to a return to a focus on the community members. > > After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done > more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It > was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more important > than the coding. Not a good thing. Actually your interview came after a couple of interviews to community members and templates' creators. I'm sure Rich will be more than happy to keep interviewing community members, please let us know who wants to be featured on SourceForge community blog. Roberto > More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use. > There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones to > hang these things from. > > Ross > > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" wrote: > >> On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk > > >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO >> 3.4 >> > > >> install downloads. >> > > >> >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > why not! :) >> > > > >> > > >> > > OK. I'll work with Don on this. But after this I suggest we only >> > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend >> > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving >> > > OpenOffice. >> > > >> > >> > this definitely makes sense... >> > >> > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with >> Apache. >> >> >> My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :)) >> >> >> > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make >> > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new >> > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. >> > >> >> IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members so >> we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to go >> in June. Let's work up more of theseplease. >> >> Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a 'Meet >> and Greet'? >> >> > >> > >> > > A good problem to have ;-) >> > > >> > > -Rob >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >> > > >> working on? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > yes...good idea! >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> -Rob >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > >> > > > MzK >> > > > >> > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> > > > -- Mark Twain >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> >> > MzK >> > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> > -- Mark Twain >> > >> -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: AOO 2 million?
+1 to a return to a focus on the community members. After Rich's interview with me another mentor pointed out that I've done more publicity around AOO than the rest of the community put together. It was pointed out that this might be making the mentoring look more important than the coding. Not a good thing. More people have to step up and provide material for the project to use. There are people ready to turn it into content and there are milestones to hang these things from. Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On May 25, 2012 1:45 AM, "Donald Harbison" wrote: > On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO > 3.4 > > > >> install downloads. > > > >> > > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > > > > > > > > > > > > why not! :) > > > > > > > > > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > > > OpenOffice. > > > > > > > this definitely makes sense... > > > > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with > Apache. > > > My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :)) > > > > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make > > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > > > > IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members so > we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to go > in June. Let's work up more of theseplease. > > Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a 'Meet > and Greet'? > > > > > > > > A good problem to have ;-) > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was > > > >> working on? > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...good idea! > > > > > > > >> > > > >> -Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > MzK > > > > > > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > > > -- Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > MzK > > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > -- Mark Twain > > >
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > On 2012-05-25, at 21:09 , Rob Weir wrote: > >> So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via >> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we >> actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also >> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, >> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. > > > +1 +1 > But I'd also ping the various journalists, to show them and thus the world, > that AOO is not a flash in the pan, not fools' gold but the Real Thing, to > which value can be added and even without that, used as valued. As a matter of fact downloads are very slightly diminishing from the announcement, and having those numbers public and certified by a trusted third party could make the difference. Roberto > Louis -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: AOO 2 million?
On 2012-05-25, at 21:09 , Rob Weir wrote: > So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via > ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we > actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also > note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, > 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. +1 But I'd also ping the various journalists, to show them and thus the world, that AOO is not a flash in the pan, not fools' gold but the Real Thing, to which value can be added and even without that, used as valued. f Louis
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 >> >> install downloads. >> >> >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. >> > >> > >> > why not! :) >> > >> >> OK. I'll work with Don on this. But after this I suggest we only >> note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend >> too much time writing news articles and too little time improving >> OpenOffice. >> > > this definitely makes sense... > > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache. > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > It looks like we'll hit 2 million sometime tomorrow (Saturday). If we wait until June 1st (Friday) we'll be around 2.5. But announcing on Friday is not good for getting press attention. And if we wait until the next week, June 4th, then we'll almost be at 3 million. So maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we actually hit it. Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count, 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release. > > >> A good problem to have ;-) >> >> -Rob >> >> > >> >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >> >> working on? >> > >> > >> > yes...good idea! >> > >> >> >> >> -Rob >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > MzK >> > >> > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." >> > -- Mark Twain >> > > > > -- > > MzK > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir > > wrote: > > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > >> > > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 > > >> install downloads. > > >> > > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > > > > > > > > > why not! :) > > > > > > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > > OpenOffice. > > > > this definitely makes sense... > > We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache. My birthday is June 2, so I'll be sure to note other milestones! :)) > Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make > note of this and include a mention of how successful this new > environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > IMHO, we need to return focus to the need to profile community members so we better know each other. I have a short piece on Dave Fisher ready to go in June. Let's work up more of theseplease. Louis and Nancy had volunteered previously. Anyone else want to do a 'Meet and Greet'? > > > > A good problem to have ;-) > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was > > >> working on? > > > > > > > > > yes...good idea! > > > > > >> > > >> -Rob > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > MzK > > > > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > > -- Mark Twain > > > > > > -- > > > MzK > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > -- Mark Twain >
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 > >> install downloads. > >> > >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > > > > > > why not! :) > > > > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only > note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend > too much time writing news articles and too little time improving > OpenOffice. > this definitely makes sense... We might note that June 1 is the first anniversary OpenOffice with Apache. Maybe the new DL stats announcement, if the timeline is right, might make note of this and include a mention of how successful this new environment/arrangement has been for OpenOffice. Just a thought. > A good problem to have ;-) > > -Rob > > > > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was > >> working on? > > > > > > yes...good idea! > > > >> > >> -Rob > > > > > > -- > > > > MzK > > > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > > -- Mark Twain > -- MzK "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
Great new guys. You guys ROCK! I got a chuckle out of your comment Rob. BTW: I was reading some info on the LO wiki last night and found that they are working on porting to the Andriod system. So I thought that now that this team has an AOO release I might ask the question again about interest in porting an AOO rev to the Driod system? From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: AOO 2 million? On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 >> install downloads. >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > > > why not! :) > OK. I'll work with Don on this. But after this I suggest we only note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend too much time writing news articles and too little time improving OpenOffice. A good problem to have ;-) -Rob > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >> working on? > > > yes...good idea! > >> >> -Rob > > > -- > > MzK > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 >> install downloads. >> >> It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > > > why not! :) > OK. I'll work with Don on this.But after this I suggest we only note the downloads at 5 million intervals. Otherwise we will spend too much time writing news articles and too little time improving OpenOffice. A good problem to have ;-) -Rob > >> Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was >> working on? > > > yes...good idea! > >> >> -Rob > > > -- > > MzK > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
On 05/24/2012 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 install downloads. It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. why not! :) Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was working on? yes...good idea! -Rob -- MzK "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Mark Twain
Re: AOO 2 million?
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 > install downloads. > > It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. > Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was > working on? > Happy to do this...when I return from vacation...or maybe this weekend. Let's aim to time it for Tuesday a.m. given the long holiday weekend in USA. :) > > -Rob >
AOO 2 million?
Just checking the numbers: we appear to be at 1.8 million for AOO 3.4 install downloads. It might make sense to put out another story when we hit 2 million. Maybe this can be combined with the piece on Symphony that Don was working on? -Rob
