Maybe stupid questions and summary of my comments (fwd)

[Hannu Puhakka]

Hi OpenOffice developers

I joined this list a day ago. I am not familiar with your groups and not sure 
if I am on the right list at all. Maybe someone can comment.


I am using oof OOO330m20 (Build: 9567). I have heard rumors that there are 
several OpenOffice projects - no idea what they might be and what to use - that 
my version is "created by Oracle".


I am running a small software company in Finland and used normally MsOffice for 
presentations, sheets and documents. Because of HW crash I now started to 
manage by OpenOffice. Then I have got some problems and ideas to improve 
OpenOffice. I suppose I myself do not have resources for programming 
OpenOffice.


Where should I send my comments?
Where is the database to check if my comments have already been handled?
What version I should use to be useful with my comments?
How should I title my comments?

Some of my comments:
1) bug: / Impress: I insert a new slide. I click a text element and change the 
text size from default 32 to 22 (rigth click on the frame and choose Character 
size 22). If I move the mouse on the first text row to start writing, but do 
not write even a letter and THEN I select the frame, font size will be changed 
again 32 although the character size shows 22. I have to change the size to 
maybe 15 and back to 22 to be able to continue.


2)improvement / Impress /Writer: Changing of picture size by mouse is very 
annoying. If you have inserted a picture from file into your presentation or 
document, you in 96 % of the cases need to modify the size - smaller or bigger. 
And 99% of those cases you expect that the picture should keep the original 
shape - it meens to  "Keep ratio"!!!
But now in Open Office when you resize the image, it never keeps the ratio - 
even if the "Keep ratio" checkbox is checked. I suppose this feature has been 
five years. If I do not work properly, still the feature should be changed 
because nobody cannot understand. See the attachments 
"keep_ratio.jpg","resize.jpg".


3) bug: / Impress: "Text" area. Many times when I try to insert a new line on 
my list pressing "Enter", the application do not add a new line, instead tries 
to continue writing the same line and the letters appear at the same character 
at the end of the line. I can fix it by selection another text area and after 
that coming back. The problems appears many times a day, not for every text 
area. See the attachment "open_office_text_area.jpg".


4) development proposal: Every open office program should have on the Help menu 
two selections: "Send a bug report", "Send a development proposal" which should 
order a link where you could send your comments with automatic information of 
the version you used.


Regards
Hannu
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Re: Maybe stupid questions and summary of my comments (fwd)

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Hannu,

Hannu Puhakka schrieb:

Hi OpenOffice developers

I joined this list a day ago.


You are welcome.

 I am not familiar with your groups and not

sure if I am on the right list at all. Maybe someone can comment.


This list is for developing Apache OpenOffice itself, for generating 
help content in form of websites and tutorials, for discussions about 
infrastructure, and building a community in general.
See http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html for an 
overview of the mailing lists.




I am using oof OOO330m20 (Build: 9567).  I have heard rumors that there
are several OpenOffice projects - no idea what they might be and what to
use - that my version is "created by Oracle".


Yes, one of them is this Apache OpenOffice, which is incubation and will 
become a full Apache project hopefully soon. Another project with the 
same code basis is LibreOffice. Common aim is to provide an office suite 
for the Open Document Format (ODF). Searching with this keywords you 
will find a lot of informations, from several point of view.




I am running a small software company in Finland and used normally
MsOffice for presentations, sheets and documents. Because of HW crash I
now started to manage by OpenOffice. Then I have got some problems and
ideas to improve OpenOffice. I suppose I myself do not have resources
for programming OpenOffice.


Programming is not the only way to contribute. Very important are 
translations and user support too.




Where should I send my comments?


You should start on a user maling list or forum. Often the problem is 
not, that a feature doesn't exist but that the way to use it is 
different from Microsoft Office.

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#users-mailing-list
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/


Where is the database to check if my comments have already been handled?


Enhancement requests are collected in Bugzilla although Bugzilla is 
mainly a tool for bug reports.

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/


What version I should use to be useful with my comments?


You should test the most actual version, currently found on
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
But you should not use this version in productive content.


How should I title my comments?


As informative as possible. In mailing list tagging might be useful, on 
forum you have categories.




Some of my comments:
1) bug: / Impress: I insert a new slide. I click a text element and
change the text size from default 32 to 22 (rigth click on the frame and
choose Character size 22). If I move the mouse on the first text row to
start writing, but do not write even a letter and THEN I select the
frame, font size will be changed again 32 although the character size
shows 22. I have to change the size to maybe 15 and back to 22 to be
able to continue.


I'm not very familiar with Impress. But as a general rule, you have to 
distinguish between directly formatting an object or using styles, and 
you have to look carefully which object you are formatting.




2)improvement / Impress /Writer: Changing of picture size by mouse is
very annoying. If you have inserted a picture from file into your
presentation or document, you in 96 % of the cases need to modify the
size - smaller or bigger. And 99% of those cases you expect that the
picture should keep the original shape - it meens to "Keep ratio"!!!
But now in Open Office when you resize the image, it never keeps the
ratio - even if the "Keep ratio" checkbox is checked. I suppose this
feature has been five years. If I do not work properly, still the
feature should be changed because nobody cannot understand. See the
attachments "keep_ratio.jpg","resize.jpg".


That is a very common misunderstanding of "keep ratio". "keep ratio" is 
a checkbox that helps entering values in that dialog, so that you need 
not to calculate the width by yourself when you alter the height, but it 
is automatically calculated. It is not a property of the picture.


To drag with keeping ratio hold down the Shift key while dragging.

You see, this is a typical kind of suggestion you should discuss in a 
user mailing list or forum before entering it in Bugzilla.




3) bug: / Impress: "Text" area. Many times when I try to insert a new
line on my list pressing "Enter", the application do not add a new line,
instead tries to continue writing the same line and the letters appear
at the same character at the end of the line. I can fix it by selection
another text area and after that coming back. The problems appears many
times a day, not for every text area. See the attachment
"open_office_text_area.jpg".


There is no attachment and it is no good idea to sent an attachment to 
the mailing list. It will be distributed to hundreds subscribers. Some 
of them have no flat rate or have small bandwidth. Provide a download 
link for pictures instead.


That kind would be a candidate for a bug report.

Re: Maybe stupid questions and summary of my comments (fwd)

[Risto Jääskeläinen]

Hello!
I have nothing to add to answers of Regina Henschel but say hello to a fellow 
countryman. There are not too many Finns here.  My mainly concern is 
translation of Apache OpenOffice to Finnish and it seems to be now second to 
none situation. So there is no urgent need of help. But all webpages must 
rebuilt etc.

Hyvää pääsiäistä
Happy Easter
Risto Jääskeläinen

Regina Henschel [rb.hensc...@t-online.de] kirjoitti: 

Hi Hannu,

Hannu Puhakka schrieb:
> Hi OpenOffice developers
>
> I joined this list a day ago.

You are welcome.

  I am not familiar with your groups and not
> sure if I am on the right list at all. Maybe someone can comment.

This list is for developing Apache OpenOffice itself, for generating 
help content in form of websites and tutorials, for discussions about 
infrastructure, and building a community in general.
See http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html for an 
overview of the mailing lists.


>
> I am using oof OOO330m20 (Build: 9567).  I have heard rumors that there
> are several OpenOffice projects - no idea what they might be and what to
> use - that my version is "created by Oracle".

Yes, one of them is this Apache OpenOffice, which is incubation and will 
become a full Apache project hopefully soon. Another project with the 
same code basis is LibreOffice. Common aim is to provide an office suite 
for the Open Document Format (ODF). Searching with this keywords you 
will find a lot of informations, from several point of view.


>
> I am running a small software company in Finland and used normally
> MsOffice for presentations, sheets and documents. Because of HW crash I
> now started to manage by OpenOffice. Then I have got some problems and
> ideas to improve OpenOffice. I suppose I myself do not have resources
> for programming OpenOffice.

Programming is not the only way to contribute. Very important are 
translations and user support too.


>
> Where should I send my comments?

You should start on a user maling list or forum. Often the problem is 
not, that a feature doesn't exist but that the way to use it is 
different from Microsoft Office.

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#users-mailing-list
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/

> Where is the database to check if my comments have already been handled?

Enhancement requests are collected in Bugzilla although Bugzilla is 
mainly a tool for bug reports.

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/

> What version I should use to be useful with my comments?

You should test the most actual version, currently found on
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
But you should not use this version in productive content.

> How should I title my comments?

As informative as possible. In mailing list tagging might be useful, on 
forum you have categories.


>
> Some of my comments:
> 1) bug: / Impress: I insert a new slide. I click a text element and
> change the text size from default 32 to 22 (rigth click on the frame and
> choose Character size 22). If I move the mouse on the first text row to
> start writing, but do not write even a letter and THEN I select the
> frame, font size will be changed again 32 although the character size
> shows 22. I have to change the size to maybe 15 and back to 22 to be
> able to continue.

I'm not very familiar with Impress. But as a general rule, you have to 
distinguish between directly formatting an object or using styles, and 
you have to look carefully which object you are formatting.


>
> 2)improvement / Impress /Writer: Changing of picture size by mouse is
> very annoying. If you have inserted a picture from file into your
> presentation or document, you in 96 % of the cases need to modify the
> size - smaller or bigger. And 99% of those cases you expect that the
> picture should keep the original shape - it meens to "Keep ratio"!!!
> But now in Open Office when you resize the image, it never keeps the
> ratio - even if the "Keep ratio" checkbox is checked. I suppose this
> feature has been five years. If I do not work properly, still the
> feature should be changed because nobody cannot understand. See the
> attachments "keep_ratio.jpg","resize.jpg".

That is a very common misunderstanding of "keep ratio". "keep ratio" is 
a checkbox that helps entering values in that dialog, so that you need 
not to calculate the width by yourself when you alter the height, but it 
is automatically calculated. It is not a property of the picture.


To drag with keeping ratio hold down the Shift key while dragging.

You see, this is a typical kind of suggestion you should discuss in a 
user mailing list or forum before entering it in Bugzilla.


>
> 3) bug: / Impress: "Text" area. Many times when I try to insert a new
> line on my list pressing "Enter", the application do not add a new line,
> instead tries to continue writing the same line and the letters appear
> at the same character at the end of

Re: Maybe stupid questions and summary of my comments (fwd)

[xia zhao]

Hannu,

2012/4/7 Hannu Puhakka 

> Hi OpenOffice developers
>
> I joined this list a day ago. I am not familiar with your groups and not
> sure if I am on the right list at all. Maybe someone can comment.
>
> I am using oof OOO330m20 (Build: 9567). I have heard rumors that there are
> several OpenOffice projects - no idea what they might be and what to use -
> that my version is "created by Oracle".
>

   You may try the AOO 3.4 new ones, which is on the way to publish. You
can get it from:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots

>
> I am running a small software company in Finland and used normally
> MsOffice for presentations, sheets and documents. Because of HW crash I now
> started to manage by OpenOffice. Then I have got some problems and ideas to
> improve OpenOffice. I suppose I myself do not have resources for
> programming OpenOffice.
>


> Welcome the problems and ideas. It will help to improve AOO quality. I
> means Apache OpenOffice.
>


> Where should I send my comments?
>
   What you did is one good place. ooo-dev mail list. Another good place
for problem and suggestion is BugZilla. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/


> Where is the database to check if my comments have already been handled?
>
   BugZilla is the database to report bugs, including problem or some
enhancements request.

What version I should use to be useful with my comments?
>

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots
r1310206is
proposed AOO 3.4 RC build, you may use itfor your comments.

How should I title my comments?
> Each comment with one bug.
>


> Some of my comments:
> 1) bug: / Impress: I insert a new slide. I click a text element and change
> the text size from default 32 to 22 (rigth click on the frame and choose
> Character size 22). If I move the mouse on the first text row to start
> writing, but do not write even a letter and THEN I select the frame, font
> size will be changed again 32 although the character size shows 22. I have
> to change the size to maybe 15 and back to 22 to be able to continue.
>
You may modify the master page of impress if you plan modify the text
size from 32 to 22 for whole slides.

>
> 2)improvement / Impress /Writer: Changing of picture size by mouse is very
> annoying. If you have inserted a picture from file into your presentation
> or document, you in 96 % of the cases need to modify the size - smaller or
> bigger. And 99% of those cases you expect that the picture should keep the
> original shape - it meens to  "Keep ratio"!!!
> But now in Open Office when you resize the image, it never keeps the ratio
> - even if the "Keep ratio" checkbox is checked. I suppose this feature has
> been five years. If I do not work properly, still the feature should be
> changed because nobody cannot understand. See the attachments
> "keep_ratio.jpg","resize.jpg".
>

I don't have this kind of problem against AOO 3.4, maybe you can try
again.


>
> 3) bug: / Impress: "Text" area. Many times when I try to insert a new line
> on my list pressing "Enter", the application do not add a new line, instead
> tries to continue writing the same line and the letters appear at the same
> character at the end of the line. I can fix it by selection another text
> area and after that coming back. The problems appears many times a day, not
> for every text area. See the attachment "open_office_text_area.jpg".
> Also I haven't this kind of problem against AOO 3.4, you can try and if
> you still have it, report it in BugZilla.
>


> 4) development proposal: Every open office program should have on the Help
> menu two selections: "Send a bug report", "Send a development proposal"
> which should order a link where you could send your comments with automatic
> information of the version you used.
>


> Well, seems one good suggestion. Also post it in BugZilla as enhancement
> request.
>


> Regards
> Hannu
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