Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
On 8/27/2012 9:32 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Issac Goldstand is...@volo-net.comwrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but how is trying to police 3rd party (Google) ads on a 3rd party (SF) distribution link a real concern of this PPMC? Adverts (and the downloads to go along with this) have been popular on massive download portals for years, and will be for years to come. You have to admit, however, that including large green download buttons in the middle of an advert banner, and knowing that such ad is displayed while the end user is waiting for the Sourceforge.net download to begin, is misleading to say the least... I think a simple SF.net policy of asking advertisers not to include such imagery on its banners would suffice to eliminate all criticism and user confusion FC You're missing the point. 1) It's not an SF.net policy; it's a Google policy, since they are serving ads to SF.net 2) SF.net and Google are earning too much income from these banners to remove them - especially because 3) the confusion is exactly the point; it's got extremely high click rate and it's what makes that commercial ecosystem tick. Besides, 4) Google policy won't allow a direct download link from a click - in all of these scenarios there's another landing page with a download button (AFAIK, auto-download is not allowed), and that download page can't look like SF.net So yes, users will be confused, download the wrong thing - heck a clever advertiser would bundle some of this software with a real openoffice install, too (appropriately branded or re-branded to avoid TM infringement) - but this isn't, and shouldn't, be the concern of the PPMC. Issac
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Issac Goldstand is...@volo-net.com wrote: So yes, users will be confused, download the wrong thing - heck a clever advertiser would bundle some of this software with a real openoffice install, too (appropriately branded or re-branded to avoid TM infringement) - but this isn't, and shouldn't, be the concern of the PPMC. Then let´s close this thread as we´re wasting our time. Confused users be damned. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: actually in different geographies are displayed different ads, and I need the actual URL to eventually report internally issues with malware. Can you help me with that? Yes, sure, destination URL is http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=lai=BCRkjin46UKfLB-Oh6AHC3YDADcewquYCx6ODs0-_z4ayggGgnAEQARgBIOHmmwI4AFDPo7Wh-P8BYKGAgIAooAGxsdPfA7IBD3NvdXJjZWZvcmdlLm5ldLoBETMwMHgyNTBfcGFzX2FiZ25jyAEC2gGNAWh0dHA6Ly9zb3VyY2Vmb3JnZS5uZXQvcHJvamVjdHMvb3Blbm9mZmljZW9yZy5taXJyb3IvZmlsZXMvc3RhYmxlLzMuNC4xL0FwYWNoZV9PcGVuT2ZmaWNlX2luY3ViYXRpbmdfMy40LjFfV2luX3g4Nl9pbnN0YWxsX2VuLVVTLmV4ZS9kb3dubG9hZPgBAcACCcgCp8fbIqgDAfUDAAQAgPUDEKAGAuAGv4uhIQnum=1sig=AOD64_2QTgRUfp_AjSv0IdpcBux87BneTAclient=ca-ostg_jsadurl=http://www.superbvideoconverter.com/gb/si/%3Fadnm%3D21227763559%26i%3Ds%26grid%3DA%26lg%3DEN%26cc%3DAR%26clg%3Den%26c%3D1%26d%3D1%26cid%3D_97893889%26kw%3D%26mn%3Dsourceforge.net%26Network%3DD%26expr%3D%26agid%3D_9599537584 Think this is a different one, though. Supervideoconverter seems to be virus-free. Also FLV videoplayer, at least the one I have been able to find googling, seems to be virus-free. It must be said that without the exact URL I can't check if that version of FLV videoplayer is virus-free. Roberto And source image is http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/15861613925973749392 cached for the record, here: http://the13thfloor.org/sf-rogue-adverts/ and fwiw I get that while coming from an Argentina IP (186.142.241.x subnet - Claro FFTH - www.claro.com.ar) FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
Maybe I'm missing something, but how is trying to police 3rd party (Google) ads on a 3rd party (SF) distribution link a real concern of this PPMC? Adverts (and the downloads to go along with this) have been popular on massive download portals for years, and will be for years to come. They're usually guaranteed to be virus/spyware-free because the advertising networks, like Google in this case, have strict policies on what software can be advertised like this - at least for the major players in the Electronic Software Distribution industry. And if they're really not legit, you can bet they're playing cat-and-mouse with the AV vendors, too. And at the end of the day, there's too much money on the line for all of the players involved for this kind of ads to be completely cut, unless we gave up leveraging SF's distribution network, which we really probably don't want to do, although I'd be happy to be corrected if someone from infra disagrees. Issac On 27/08/2012 05:52, Roberto Galoppini wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: actually in different geographies are displayed different ads, and I need the actual URL to eventually report internally issues with malware. Can you help me with that? Yes, sure, destination URL is http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=lai=BCRkjin46UKfLB-Oh6AHC3YDADcewquYCx6ODs0-_z4ayggGgnAEQARgBIOHmmwI4AFDPo7Wh-P8BYKGAgIAooAGxsdPfA7IBD3NvdXJjZWZvcmdlLm5ldLoBETMwMHgyNTBfcGFzX2FiZ25jyAEC2gGNAWh0dHA6Ly9zb3VyY2Vmb3JnZS5uZXQvcHJvamVjdHMvb3Blbm9mZmljZW9yZy5taXJyb3IvZmlsZXMvc3RhYmxlLzMuNC4xL0FwYWNoZV9PcGVuT2ZmaWNlX2luY3ViYXRpbmdfMy40LjFfV2luX3g4Nl9pbnN0YWxsX2VuLVVTLmV4ZS9kb3dubG9hZPgBAcACCcgCp8fbIqgDAfUDAAQAgPUDEKAGAuAGv4uhIQnum=1sig=AOD64_2QTgRUfp_AjSv0IdpcBux87BneTAclient=ca-ostg_jsadurl=http://www.superbvideoconverter.com/gb/si/%3Fadnm%3D21227763559%26i%3Ds%26grid%3DA%26lg%3DEN%26cc%3DAR%26clg%3Den%26c%3D1%26d%3D1%26cid%3D_97893889%26kw%3D%26mn%3Dsourceforge.net%26Network%3DD%26expr%3D%26agid%3D_9599537584 Think this is a different one, though. Supervideoconverter seems to be virus-free. Also FLV videoplayer, at least the one I have been able to find googling, seems to be virus-free. It must be said that without the exact URL I can't check if that version of FLV videoplayer is virus-free. Roberto And source image is http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/15861613925973749392 cached for the record, here: http://the13thfloor.org/sf-rogue-adverts/ and fwiw I get that while coming from an Argentina IP (186.142.241.x subnet - Claro FFTH - www.claro.com.ar) FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Issac Goldstand is...@volo-net.comwrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but how is trying to police 3rd party (Google) ads on a 3rd party (SF) distribution link a real concern of this PPMC? Adverts (and the downloads to go along with this) have been popular on massive download portals for years, and will be for years to come. You have to admit, however, that including large green download buttons in the middle of an advert banner, and knowing that such ad is displayed while the end user is waiting for the Sourceforge.net download to begin, is misleading to say the least... I think a simple SF.net policy of asking advertisers not to include such imagery on its banners would suffice to eliminate all criticism and user confusion FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
Hello Today I have downloaded the new open office version. Unfortunately I clicked on the big green button Download of the FLV player advertisement (see attachement with printsceen) because I thought the download of open office have not started automatically and I expected that button as one of op office. So far no problem. But then my antivirus programm indicated me twice that the downloaded file of that FLV player is infected by viruses. So pleace have a look on this advertisement. Thanks a lot Jonas Küng
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
Dear Jonas, I believe you missed the attachment screen capture. On 2012/08/27 00:29, Jonas Küng said: Hello Today I have downloaded the new open office version. Unfortunately I clicked on the big green button Download of the FLV player advertisement (see attachement with printsceen) because I thought the download of open office have not started automatically and I expected that button as one of op office. So far no problem. But then my antivirus programm indicated me twice that the downloaded file of that FLV player is infected by viruses. So pleace have a look on this advertisement. Thanks a lot Jonas Küng -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Jonas Küng jonas.ku...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Today I have downloaded the new open office version. Unfortunately I clicked on the big green button Download of the FLV player advertisement (see attachement with printsceen) because I thought the download of open office have not started automatically and I expected that button as one of op office. So far no problem. But then my antivirus programm indicated me twice that the downloaded file of that FLV player is infected by viruses. So pleace have a look on this advertisement. Thanks a lot Jonas Küng Hi Jonas, if you run in a similar problem please advise me about the exact URL, we need that to prevent it to happen again in the future. Thanks, Roberto -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.netwrote: Hi Jonas, if you run in a similar problem please advise me about the exact URL, we need that to prevent it to happen again in the future. Thanks, See the attached screenshot. The ads are part of the SF.net third party adverts, but these advertisers put a green download button on their banners... of course the adverts are for other ´products´ but as these ads are shown while the user is waiting for the download to start, the intent is evident... many users will blindly click anything that says ´download´... http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9490/sfadsgreendownloadbutto.png hope this helps FC Roberto -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: Hi Jonas, if you run in a similar problem please advise me about the exact URL, we need that to prevent it to happen again in the future. Thanks, See the attached screenshot. The ads are part of the SF.net third party adverts, but these advertisers put a green download button on their banners... of course the adverts are for other ´products´ but as these ads are shown while the user is waiting for the download to start, the intent is evident... many users will blindly click anything that says ´download´... http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9490/sfadsgreendownloadbutto.png hope this helps FC Thanks Fernando, actually in different geographies are displayed different ads, and I need the actual URL to eventually report internally issues with malware. Can you help me with that? Roberto Roberto -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Open-office downloading site - FLV player advertisement
Hi Jonas, We've been looking into to your issue and Roberto has a question for you. See the bottom. (Sorry, but not everyone notices when a question has been moderated into the list.) On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: Hi Jonas, if you run in a similar problem please advise me about the exact URL, we need that to prevent it to happen again in the future. Thanks, See the attached screenshot. The ads are part of the SF.net third party adverts, but these advertisers put a green download button on their banners... of course the adverts are for other ´products´ but as these ads are shown while the user is waiting for the download to start, the intent is evident... many users will blindly click anything that says ´download´... http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9490/sfadsgreendownloadbutto.png hope this helps FC Thanks Fernando, actually in different geographies are displayed different ads, and I need the actual URL to eventually report internally issues with malware. Can you help me with that? Regards, Dave Roberto Roberto -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
