Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

2012-06-26 Thread drew
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 16:33 +0200, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:24 PM, drew  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
> >>  wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>> Howdy,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
> >> >> >>> use
> >> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help 
> >> >> >>> in
> >> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I 
> >> >> >>> have
> >> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Two files added here:
> >> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
> >> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
> >> >> > image, not my CD burning.
> >> >>
> >> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Juergen
> >> >>
> >> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf 
> >> >> file?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
> >> >
> >> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
> >> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
> >> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
> >> >
> >>
> >> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
> >> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
> >> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
> >> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
> >>
> >> What's the issue?
> >
> > What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> > Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> > but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> > - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> > and all that BS?
> 
> We have a conf call planned for this Thursday, I don't think we have
> any blocker. The only issue I've been reading about is all about the
> fact that part of the discussion about the organization has not been
> held on the usual channels. As a result some of us were not aware of
> the fact the next ODF-Plugfest was going to be held concurrently with
> LO event, so when the news come out it was a kind of surprise.
> 
> So said, we're on track to start working on making it happen.
> 
> Roberto

Thanks for the reply Roberto - and sorry to digress on this list
actually.

//drew




Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

2012-06-26 Thread drew
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:34 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, drew  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
> >>  wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>> Howdy,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
> >> >> >>> use
> >> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help 
> >> >> >>> in
> >> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I 
> >> >> >>> have
> >> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Two files added here:
> >> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
> >> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
> >> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
> >> >> > image, not my CD burning.
> >> >>
> >> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Juergen
> >> >>
> >> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf 
> >> >> file?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
> >> >
> >> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
> >> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
> >> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
> >> >
> >>
> >> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
> >> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
> >> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
> >> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
> >>
> >> What's the issue?
> >
> > What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> > Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> > but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> > - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> > and all that BS?
> >
> 
> You'll need to ask someone in LO, probably Charles Schutz.  He is the
> one making accusations  My attempts to fathom what he is talking about
> have failed.
> 
> In terms of facts:
> 
> 1) There is a Program Committee for organizing Plugfests.  They do
> their work on this mailing list:
> https://open.nlnet.nl/mailman/listinfo/plugtest-organisers
> 
> 2) No one from LibreOffice has requested to use the term "ODF
> Plugfest" on this mailing list.
> 
> 3) No one from LibreOffice has sent a proposal to hold a Plugfest to this 
> list.
> 
> 4) No one (to my knowledge) from IBM has opposed or even given an
> opinion on TDF hosting a Plugfest.
> 
> You can review the complete thread here and correlate it to Charle's
> assertions on the LO marketing list:
> 
> https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/thread.html
> 
> -Rob

Thank you - I will indeed ask Charles why he said what he did then.

now back to the regularly scheduled show for this channel :)


> 
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> autorun.inf:
> >> >> [autorun]
> >> >> open=.exe
> >> >> icon= myicon.ico
> >> >>
> >> >> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
> >> >> files directly.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Rob
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> But a few quick observations:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
> >> >> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
> >> >> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
> >> >> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
> >> >> >> that would trigger this?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
> >> >> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
> >> >> >> saying "I don't know how"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
> >> >> >> OpenOfice project"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
> >> >> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -Rob
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> What's in them currently?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
> >> >> >>> - Windows Eng

Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

2012-06-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, drew  wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
>>  wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>> Howdy,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
>> >> >>> use
>> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
>> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
>> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Two files added here:
>> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
>> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
>> >> > image, not my CD burning.
>> >>
>> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Juergen
>> >>
>> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
>> >
>> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
>> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
>> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
>> >
>>
>> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
>> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
>> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
>> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
>>
>> What's the issue?
>
> What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> and all that BS?
>

You'll need to ask someone in LO, probably Charles Schutz.  He is the
one making accusations  My attempts to fathom what he is talking about
have failed.

In terms of facts:

1) There is a Program Committee for organizing Plugfests.  They do
their work on this mailing list:
https://open.nlnet.nl/mailman/listinfo/plugtest-organisers

2) No one from LibreOffice has requested to use the term "ODF
Plugfest" on this mailing list.

3) No one from LibreOffice has sent a proposal to hold a Plugfest to this list.

4) No one (to my knowledge) from IBM has opposed or even given an
opinion on TDF hosting a Plugfest.

You can review the complete thread here and correlate it to Charle's
assertions on the LO marketing list:

https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/thread.html

-Rob

>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >> autorun.inf:
>> >> [autorun]
>> >> open=.exe
>> >> icon= myicon.ico
>> >>
>> >> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
>> >> files directly.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > -Rob
>> >> >
>> >> >> But a few quick observations:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
>> >> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
>> >> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
>> >> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
>> >> >> that would trigger this?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
>> >> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
>> >> >> saying "I don't know how"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
>> >> >> OpenOfice project"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
>> >> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Rob
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> What's in them currently?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
>> >> >>> - Windows English(us) full install package
>> >> >>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
>> >> >>> - Windows SDK
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Documents, all as PDF
>> >> >>> - Installation Guide
>> >> >>> - Getting Started Guide
>> >> >>> - Administration Guide
>> >> >>> - Basic Programmers Guide
>> >> >>> - Developers Guide
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> HTML files
>> >> >>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
>> >> >>> - Files (started from website page - done)
>> >> >>> - Instructions (

Re: [OT] Re: Help please - working on an AOO34 CD

2012-06-26 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:24 PM, drew  wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 10:11 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, drew jensen
>>  wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 09:47 +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> >> On 6/25/12 9:20 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM, drew jensen
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>> Howdy,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Have been working on an AOO 3.4 CD image - suitable for boosters to 
>> >> >>> use
>> >> >>> as swag, part of individual supports toolbox, etc.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The work is down to the final stages now and I could use some help in
>> >> >>> the way of input with some of the details.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> THIS IS NOT FINISHED - but in wanted folks to see exactly what I have
>> >> >>> this morning so made use of the sf.net resources to do so.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Two files added here:
>> >> >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lorepo/files/AOO34/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso and cd-aoo-34-src.iso
>> >> >>> (again these are NOT intended for distribution yet..)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just downloaded and burned the BIN image.  Overall this is totally
>> >> >> awesome, a truly righteous and outstanding accomplishment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry, just to be clear.  I was praising Drew's work producing the
>> >> > image, not my CD burning.
>> >>
>> >> you can really burn CD's, wow ;-)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Juergen
>> >>
>> >> PS: I haven't checked the ISO image but does it have an autorun.inf file?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No it doesn't have an autorun file.
>> >
>> > By the way - are both of you on the OASIS ODF..hmmm, team, project, not
>> > sure what to call that - I really want to yell at someone from OASIS
>> > about their stupidity on Plug-fests...so which of you is it?
>> >
>>
>> We have several OASIS members in the AOO project: me, Oliver, Don,
>> Louis, Dennis, and anyone else I missed ;-).  But the Plugfests are
>> not done by OASIS.  They are organized by another group that works
>> informally, albeit with a membership that overlaps.
>>
>> What's the issue?
>
> What is this I hear that TDF is being denied the use of the name, ODF
> Plugfest. The plan was to host such an event at our annual conference
> but apparently folks (hell IBM) is blocking it...so what's up with that
> - what happened to openness as in Open standard, non encumbered by
> and all that BS?

We have a conf call planned for this Thursday, I don't think we have
any blocker. The only issue I've been reading about is all about the
fact that part of the discussion about the organization has not been
held on the usual channels. As a result some of us were not aware of
the fact the next ODF-Plugfest was going to be held concurrently with
LO event, so when the news come out it was a kind of surprise.

So said, we're on track to start working on making it happen.

Roberto




>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >> autorun.inf:
>> >> [autorun]
>> >> open=.exe
>> >> icon= myicon.ico
>> >>
>> >> The disadvantage is that it can only open *.exe and no batch or html
>> >> files directly.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > -Rob
>> >> >
>> >> >> But a few quick observations:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) Is the audience for this end-users?  Conference organizers?  As it
>> >> >> is now it is not clear where to start.  I insert CD and just get the
>> >> >> directory listing.  This is on Windows 7.  Maybe other OS's know to
>> >> >> automatically load index.html from a CD?  Or is there something else
>> >> >> that would trigger this?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) On index.html, you have under quick install, links with the text,
>> >> >> "I know how".   Maybe just me, but I was looking for a parallel one
>> >> >> saying "I don't know how"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3) Contact.html.  Typos on 2nd header "Questions regardig the Apache
>> >> >> OpenOfice project"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4) You are including all the language installs, but only art work in
>> >> >> English.  It it in your longer term plans to get translations added?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Rob
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> What's in them currently?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cd-aoo34-bin.iso
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> AOO 3.4 Binaries
>> >> >>> - Windows English(us) full install package
>> >> >>> - All Windows language packs released with 3.4
>> >> >>> - Windows SDK
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Documents, all as PDF
>> >> >>> - Installation Guide
>> >> >>> - Getting Started Guide
>> >> >>> - Administration Guide
>> >> >>> - Basic Programmers Guide
>> >> >>> - Developers Guide
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> HTML files
>> >> >>> - Index [home] (started as webstie page - done)
>> >> >>> - Files (started from website page - done)
>> >> >>> - Instructions (not close to done)
>> >> >>> - Conatct [support] (could be done maybe)
>> >> >>> - Release Notes [notes] (copy of webstie page, added one graphic - 
>> >> >>> done)
>> >> >>> - License (not done)
>> >> >>> - java (copy of website page - done)
>> >> >>> - sys_reqs_aoo34 (copy of webstie page)
>> >> >>> - ooo.css and st