Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a Translator Role
Please ensure this wont pose problems for infra. >From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness On Jul 7, 2012 8:37 PM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: > I'd like to propose that the project consider a special level of Committer > called Translator. > > These individuals will need to meet the following requirements: > > (1) Sign an ICLA and have it on file. > (2) Be sponsored by a member of the PPMC. > > Once a sponsor is found. > > (A) The Sponsor starts a VOTE thread for Translator by the PPMC on > ooo-private. > (B) With a successful VOTE an Apache ID is requested. > > The Apache ID is setup just like for a Committer except no SVN Karma is > granted. > > The Translator would have access to pootle.a.o and people.a.o. > > Translators who earn merit can later be VOTEd into Committer and PPMC > roles. > > If the project wants to do this then I'll take it up with the IPMC to see > if it is an acceptable practice. > > Regards, > Dave
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a Translator Role
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > >> I'd like to propose that the project consider a special level of > Committer called Translator. > >> > >> These individuals will need to meet the following requirements: > >> > >> (1) Sign an ICLA and have it on file. > >> (2) Be sponsored by a member of the PPMC. > >> > >> Once a sponsor is found. > >> > >> (A) The Sponsor starts a VOTE thread for Translator by the PPMC on > ooo-private. > >> (B) With a successful VOTE an Apache ID is requested. > >> > > > > I'd suggest just doing it by lazy consensus, without the ceremony of a > > vote thread, a discussion thread, a required mentor vote, cross > > posting to IPMC private and related overhead. In other words, treat > > it like the Subversion project does with its "partial committers": > > We can live with the extra formality until graduation. > > We agree that as a TLP this extra overhead is reduced in any case. > > > "A full committer sponsors the partial committer. Usually this means > > the full committer has applied several patches to the same area from > > the proposed partial committer, and realizes things would be easier if > > the person were just committing directly. Approval is not required > > from the full committers; it is assumed that sponsors know what > > they're doing and will watch the partial committer's first few commits > > to make sure everything's going smoothly." > > > > http://subversion.apache.org/docs/community-guide/roles.html > > Keep in mind that this is a project that came to The ASF as an actively > working project. This arrangement was grandfathered into Apache Subversion. > > > > > >> The Apache ID is setup just like for a Committer except no SVN Karma is > granted. > >> > > > > Ehh, but don't we want translators to have karma to /ooo-site as well, > > so they can edit the website? So maybe enough to limit it to that? > > Or maybe it is not worth worrying about translators messing with C++ > > code. > > We do, but we also don't know how tied in pootle will all be and for > ooo-site anonymous contributions are not a problem - merit can be accessed. > We could think about moving the NL sites to a different directory structure to deal with more separate access along with the Pootle permissions. We would need to discuss if we think this is worth it at this point. > > > > >> The Translator would have access to pootle.a.o and people.a.o. > >> > >> Translators who earn merit can later be VOTEd into Committer and PPMC > roles. > >> > >> If the project wants to do this then I'll take it up with the IPMC to > see if it is an acceptable practice. > >> > > > > It appears to be acceptable for TLP's given the Subversion example. > > So worst case we just wait for graduation to make such changes. > > > > In any case, I share your goal of finding a streamlined way of giving > > Translators access to Pootle. > > > > Thanks for starting the thread. > Yes, thanks Dave. It would be a great help to find a more streamlined way of getting translators into the project. so, +1 from me on this > > You are welcome. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > -Rob > > > >> Regards, > >> Dave > > -- MzK "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there than a horse that will not fare." -- Portuguese proverb
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a Translator Role
On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> I'd like to propose that the project consider a special level of Committer >> called Translator. >> >> These individuals will need to meet the following requirements: >> >> (1) Sign an ICLA and have it on file. >> (2) Be sponsored by a member of the PPMC. >> >> Once a sponsor is found. >> >> (A) The Sponsor starts a VOTE thread for Translator by the PPMC on >> ooo-private. >> (B) With a successful VOTE an Apache ID is requested. >> > > I'd suggest just doing it by lazy consensus, without the ceremony of a > vote thread, a discussion thread, a required mentor vote, cross > posting to IPMC private and related overhead. In other words, treat > it like the Subversion project does with its "partial committers": We can live with the extra formality until graduation. We agree that as a TLP this extra overhead is reduced in any case. > "A full committer sponsors the partial committer. Usually this means > the full committer has applied several patches to the same area from > the proposed partial committer, and realizes things would be easier if > the person were just committing directly. Approval is not required > from the full committers; it is assumed that sponsors know what > they're doing and will watch the partial committer's first few commits > to make sure everything's going smoothly." > > http://subversion.apache.org/docs/community-guide/roles.html Keep in mind that this is a project that came to The ASF as an actively working project. This arrangement was grandfathered into Apache Subversion. > >> The Apache ID is setup just like for a Committer except no SVN Karma is >> granted. >> > > Ehh, but don't we want translators to have karma to /ooo-site as well, > so they can edit the website? So maybe enough to limit it to that? > Or maybe it is not worth worrying about translators messing with C++ > code. We do, but we also don't know how tied in pootle will all be and for ooo-site anonymous contributions are not a problem - merit can be accessed. > >> The Translator would have access to pootle.a.o and people.a.o. >> >> Translators who earn merit can later be VOTEd into Committer and PPMC roles. >> >> If the project wants to do this then I'll take it up with the IPMC to see if >> it is an acceptable practice. >> > > It appears to be acceptable for TLP's given the Subversion example. > So worst case we just wait for graduation to make such changes. > > In any case, I share your goal of finding a streamlined way of giving > Translators access to Pootle. > > Thanks for starting the thread. You are welcome. Regards, Dave > > -Rob > >> Regards, >> Dave
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a Translator Role
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I'd like to propose that the project consider a special level of Committer > called Translator. > > These individuals will need to meet the following requirements: > > (1) Sign an ICLA and have it on file. > (2) Be sponsored by a member of the PPMC. > > Once a sponsor is found. > > (A) The Sponsor starts a VOTE thread for Translator by the PPMC on > ooo-private. > (B) With a successful VOTE an Apache ID is requested. > I'd suggest just doing it by lazy consensus, without the ceremony of a vote thread, a discussion thread, a required mentor vote, cross posting to IPMC private and related overhead. In other words, treat it like the Subversion project does with its "partial committers": "A full committer sponsors the partial committer. Usually this means the full committer has applied several patches to the same area from the proposed partial committer, and realizes things would be easier if the person were just committing directly. Approval is not required from the full committers; it is assumed that sponsors know what they're doing and will watch the partial committer's first few commits to make sure everything's going smoothly." http://subversion.apache.org/docs/community-guide/roles.html > The Apache ID is setup just like for a Committer except no SVN Karma is > granted. > Ehh, but don't we want translators to have karma to /ooo-site as well, so they can edit the website? So maybe enough to limit it to that? Or maybe it is not worth worrying about translators messing with C++ code. > The Translator would have access to pootle.a.o and people.a.o. > > Translators who earn merit can later be VOTEd into Committer and PPMC roles. > > If the project wants to do this then I'll take it up with the IPMC to see if > it is an acceptable practice. > It appears to be acceptable for TLP's given the Subversion example. So worst case we just wait for graduation to make such changes. In any case, I share your goal of finding a streamlined way of giving Translators access to Pootle. Thanks for starting the thread. -Rob > Regards, > Dave
