Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Reminder: you will need some folks with the appropriate Admin role to moderate (or screen out) comments on your blog. I imagine once you start posting you may get a number of readers. Folks may also be interested in following Planet Apache: http://planet.apache.org/ - Shane On 7/8/2011 5:16 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? +1: "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Gav... -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? Hi Manfred, did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school German over 30 years ago. If others know IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. An announcement should probably include: - introduce AOOo (incubating) - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated carefully and people can continue as now. - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. Regards, Dave ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher": On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now. I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. Regards, Dave
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Indeed, the podling will need to conform to the Apache Project Branding Requirements before it graduates to TLP: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs Note that a key requirement is using a project (and product) name in the form of "Apache Foo". What the Foo is is up to the project to decide. In this case, I'd imagine the PPMC would work on the specific naming later on, after the community gels for a while and has at least one release put out. Note that in this case I imagine the ASF will continue to maintain the openoffice.org URL(s), given the large set of pre-existing users and software installed that might phone home. However once the project graduates to TLP, I would expect the primary landing URL that we use publicly in future collateral to be on an apache.org domain. - Shane On 7/8/2011 6:13 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension or keep like it was in the old project. Right. "Apache OpenOffice" might be unique enough from a trademark perspective, if taken as a whole. I thought there was a query raised to Apache Branding on this. Is there a blog title that could be chosen that would not depend on the resolution of the exact name? BTW: What will be the URL name? So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first. Marcus Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? +1: "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Gav... -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? Hi Manfred, did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school German over 30 years ago. If others know IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. An announcement should probably include: - introduce AOOo (incubating) - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated carefully and people can continue as now. - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. Regards, Dave ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher": On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now. I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. Regards, Dave
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Gavin McDonald wrote: Ok, the URL can be anything that starts off with blogs.apache.org/ So that can be blogs.apache.org/ooo blogs.apache.org/openoffice blogs.apache.org/openofficeorg (no dots or caps in the url Im afraid) For the blog url I would choose one of the longer speaking version, not 'ooo'. As a blog will also be visited by people that are not yet familiar with the typical project abbreviations, I would rate a more describing url to be more inviting. I am still undecided on the org extension. Kind regards, Ingrid
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
On 07/08/2011 03:05 PM, David McKay wrote: Doesn't the dropping of the .org imply renaming the product not just the project? The name of the product is OpenOffice.org because the name OpenOffice was registered elsewhere. If the new name was 'Apache OpenOffice' would that be different enough from the other OpenOffice (a company inthe Netherlands I believe) to not cause problems? Back when it was Sun's OpenOffice.org and then Oracle's OpenOffice.org the 'Sun' and 'Oracle' didn't make it into part of the product name itself. (I'm just curious. I'd like to see the back of the .org myself.) Dave. Yeah, once upon a time, when you did a search on "Open Office", the *other* office suite, whoever owned this brand, came up (like maybe 6+ years ago). Now it doesn't, but we should ascertain the status or history of this before changing the product/brand name I think, just to be safe. On 08/07/11 22:36, Marcus (OOo) wrote: AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension or keep like it was in the old project. BTW: What will be the URL name? So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first. Marcus Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? +1: "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Gav... -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? Hi Manfred, did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school German over 30 years ago. If others know IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. An announcement should probably include: - introduce AOOo (incubating) - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated carefully and people can continue as now. - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. Regards, Dave ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher": On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now. I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. Regards, Dave -- MzK "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff, that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and I'll just start over kind of attitude." -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
RE: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
> -Original Message- > From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob > Weir > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 8:14 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?) > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > > AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" > > extension or keep like it was in the old project. > > > > Right. "Apache OpenOffice" might be unique enough from a trademark > perspective, if taken as a whole. I thought there was a query raised to > Apache Branding on this. > > Is there a blog title that could be chosen that would not depend on the > resolution of the exact name? Ok, the URL can be anything that starts off with blogs.apache.org/ So that can be blogs.apache.org/ooo blogs.apache.org/openoffice blogs.apache.org/openofficeorg (no dots or caps in the url Im afraid) etc.. The Title of the blog can be flexible too, I just checked and indeed it can be renamed, example: https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/ has the title 'The Apache Software Foundation Blog' http://blogs.apache.org/infra/ has the title 'Apache Infrastructure Team' ... so I think therefore please choose a URI to use and we can use something like 'Apache OpenOffice blog' or 'Apache OpenOffice.org blog' as a title, noting that this can be renamed at any point. Sorry for the confusion. Gav... > > > BTW: > > What will be the URL name? > > > > So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first. > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] > >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM > >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? > >>> > >>> +1: > >>> > >>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our > progress." > >> > >> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create > >> it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that > >> will be publishers. > >> > >> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name > >> should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have > >> upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita > >> so we don't do it.) > >> > >> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? > >> > >> Gav... > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 > >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? > >>> > >>> Hi Manfred, > >>> > >>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? > >>> > >>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple > >>> computer languages, my human language skills are English with a > >>> little high school German over 30 years ago. > >>> > >>> If others know > >>> > >>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the > >>>> actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. > >>> > >>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to > disseminate. > >>> > >>> An announcement should probably include: > >>> > >>> - introduce AOOo (incubating) > >>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be > >>> migrated carefully and people can continue as now. > >>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on > >>> ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. > >>> > >>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our > progress. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Dave > >>> > >>>> > >>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 > >>>> 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher": > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? > >>>>>> Or is this an admin permission? > >>>>> > >>>>> On another thread and list I saw this: > >>>>> > >>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more > >>> > >>> information." > >>>>> > >>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently > >>>>>> subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to > >>>>>> active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be > >>>>>> one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been > >>>> > >>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I > >>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Dave > >
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension or > keep like it was in the old project. > Right. "Apache OpenOffice" might be unique enough from a trademark perspective, if taken as a whole. I thought there was a query raised to Apache Branding on this. Is there a blog title that could be chosen that would not depend on the resolution of the exact name? > BTW: > What will be the URL name? > > So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first. > > Marcus > > > > Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? >>> >>> +1: >>> >>> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." >> >> Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, >> then we >> need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be >> publishers. >> >> Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name >> should be >> permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation >> to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) >> >> Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? >> >> Gav... >> >> >> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? >>> >>> Hi Manfred, >>> >>>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? >>> >>> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer >>> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school >>> German over 30 years ago. >>> >>> If others know >>> >>>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual >>>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. >>> >>> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. >>> >>> An announcement should probably include: >>> >>> - introduce AOOo (incubating) >>> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be >>> migrated >>> carefully and people can continue as now. >>> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ >>> a >>> mention and link to the Apache Way. >>> >>> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>>> >>>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 >>>> schrieb "Dave Fisher": >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >>>>>> Or is this an admin permission? >>>>> >>>>> On another thread and list I saw this: >>>>> >>>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more >>> >>> information." >>>>> >>>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >>>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >>>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >>>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. >>>>> >>>>> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been >>>> >>>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I >>>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Dave >
RE: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
And I'm willing to publish but not that keen on admin. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 14:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?) On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? >> >> +1: >> >> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." > > Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then > we > need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. > > Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should > be > permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation > to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) > > Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Apache OpenOffice.org Capitalization is important in the branding. We have been abbreviating ourselves as AOOo. I'm willing to admin, but I don't necessarily want to be a publisher. Regards, Dave > > Gav... > > > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? >> >> Hi Manfred, >> >>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? >> >> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer >> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school >> German over 30 years ago. >> >> If others know >> >>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual >>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. >> >> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. >> >> An announcement should probably include: >> >> - introduce AOOo (incubating) >> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated >> carefully and people can continue as now. >> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a >> mention and link to the Apache Way. >> >> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 >>> schrieb "Dave Fisher" : >>>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >>>>> Or is this an admin permission? >>>> >>>> On another thread and list I saw this: >>>> >>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more >> information." >>>> >>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. >>>> >>>> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been >>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I >>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave > >
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Doesn't the dropping of the .org imply renaming the product not just the project? The name of the product is OpenOffice.org because the name OpenOffice was registered elsewhere. If the new name was 'Apache OpenOffice' would that be different enough from the other OpenOffice (a company inthe Netherlands I believe) to not cause problems? Back when it was Sun's OpenOffice.org and then Oracle's OpenOffice.org the 'Sun' and 'Oracle' didn't make it into part of the product name itself. (I'm just curious. I'd like to see the back of the .org myself.) Dave. On 08/07/11 22:36, Marcus (OOo) wrote: AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension or keep like it was in the old project. BTW: What will be the URL name? So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first. Marcus Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? +1: "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Gav... -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? Hi Manfred, did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school German over 30 years ago. If others know IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. An announcement should probably include: - introduce AOOo (incubating) - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated carefully and people can continue as now. - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. Regards, Dave ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher": On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now. I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. Regards, Dave
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
AFAIK we have not yet decided if we want to remove the ".org" extension or keep like it was in the old project. BTW: What will be the URL name? So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first. Marcus Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? +1: "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Gav... -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? Hi Manfred, did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school German over 30 years ago. If others know IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. An announcement should probably include: - introduce AOOo (incubating) - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated carefully and people can continue as now. - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. Regards, Dave ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher": On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether we are ready for a ooo-user list now. I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. Regards, Dave
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? >> >> +1: >> >> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." > > Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then > we > need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. > > Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should > be > permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation > to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) > > Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Apache OpenOffice.org Capitalization is important in the branding. We have been abbreviating ourselves as AOOo. I'm willing to admin, but I don't necessarily want to be a publisher. Regards, Dave > > Gav... > > > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? >> >> Hi Manfred, >> >>> did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? >> >> No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer >> languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school >> German over 30 years ago. >> >> If others know >> >>> IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual >>> user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. >> >> Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. >> >> An announcement should probably include: >> >> - introduce AOOo (incubating) >> - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated >> carefully and people can continue as now. >> - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a >> mention and link to the Apache Way. >> >> - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>> ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 >>> schrieb "Dave Fisher" : >>>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >>>>> Or is this an admin permission? >>>> >>>> On another thread and list I saw this: >>>> >>>> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more >> information." >>>> >>>>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >>>>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >>>>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >>>>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. >>>> >>>> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been >>> approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I >>> haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave > >
Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
Gavin McDonald wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? >> >> +1: >> >> "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." > > Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then > we > need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. > > Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should > be > permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation > to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) > > Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? > > Gav... +1, sounds more than reasonable to me. Andy
ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)
> -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? > > +1: > > "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." Ok, so nobody has approached Infra yet, I'll be proactive and create it, then we need a list of people who will be admins and those that will be publishers. Let's start with the name of blog, unlike other things, the blog name should be permanent and reflect the name that the project will have upon graduation to a TLP. (Migrating/renaming blogs is a royal pita so we don't do it.) Apache openoffice.org should be the name of the Blog ? Gav... > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? > > Hi Manfred, > > > did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? > > No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer > languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school > German over 30 years ago. > > If others know > > > IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual > > user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. > > Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. > > An announcement should probably include: > > - introduce AOOo (incubating) > - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated > carefully and people can continue as now. > - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a > mention and link to the Apache Way. > > - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 > > schrieb "Dave Fisher" : > >> > >> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? > >>> Or is this an admin permission? > >> > >> On another thread and list I saw this: > >> > >> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more > information." > >> > >>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, > >>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, > >>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether > >>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. > >> > >> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been > > approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I > > haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dave
RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
> -Original Message- > From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob > Weir > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 12:41 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > > On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? > >> Or is this an admin permission? > > > > On another thread and list I saw this: > > > > "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more > information." > > > > I did do that, and sent a note to : ooo-dev-h...@incubator.apache.org > > But the response I received back did not seem to be the generic help > response. I didn't see anything there relevant. Please tell me what response you did get back. Please tell me you emailed to that help address using the same email address in which you told us to use for your moderator address. Thanks Gav... > > >> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, > >> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, > >> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether > >> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. > > > > I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been > approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't > seen anything regarding Apache OOo. > > > > OK. That is good to know. > > > Regards, > > Dave
RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
+1: "- introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress." -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 09:44 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? Hi Manfred, > did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school German over 30 years ago. If others know > IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user > MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. An announcement should probably include: - introduce AOOo (incubating) - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated carefully and people can continue as now. - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. Regards, Dave > > ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos > Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher" : >> >> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >>> Or is this an admin permission? >> >> On another thread and list I saw this: >> >> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." >> >>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. >> >> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been > approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't > seen anything regarding Apache OOo. >> >> Regards, >> Dave
RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
For balance, I recommend lurking on [libreoffice-users] and [libreoffice-documentation]. The developers list (counterpart of ooo-dev, right down to patch pushing), [libreoffice] is part of a separate system. This list is useful, especially for the tech steering committee minutes, and it may provide more visibility on issues that are being addressed in current builds, betas, and release candidates there. For reasons that escape me, there are user, documentation and technical issues on the steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org and some on the disc...@documentfoundation.org lists too. - Dennis PS: I have not seen any discussion of Apache OOo recently on any of these. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 06:53 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? > Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." > I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, > especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, > contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether > we are ready for a ooo-user list now. I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. Regards, Dave=
Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
Hi Manfred, > did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? No, I did it mostly out of curiosity. Although I speak multiple computer languages, my human language skills are English with a little high school German over 30 years ago. If others know > IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user > MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. Agreed. Someone should write an announcement for use to disseminate. An announcement should probably include: - introduce AOOo (incubating) - a promise that all bugs, user forums, and mailing lists will be migrated carefully and people can continue as now. - a call for developers (code and documentation) to join us on ooo-dev w/ a mention and link to the Apache Way. - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can follow our progress. Regards, Dave > > ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos > Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher" : >> >> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >>> Or is this an admin permission? >> >> On another thread and list I saw this: >> >> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." >> >>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. >> >> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been > approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't > seen anything regarding Apache OOo. >> >> Regards, >> Dave
Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
Hi Dave, *, did you check all the other (not US/UK) user ML as well? IMHO we need a statement for all the current subscribers on the actual user MLs. You can hardly regain customers you lost. ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb "Dave Fisher" : > > On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >> Or is this an admin permission? > > On another thread and list I saw this: > > "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." > >> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. > > I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. > > Regards, > Dave
Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 16:41 schrieb "Rob Weir" : > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >>> Or is this an admin permission? >> >> On another thread and list I saw this: >> >> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." >> > > I did do that, and sent a note to : ooo-dev-h...@incubator.apache.org > > But the response I received back did not seem to be the generic help > response. I didn't see anything there relevant. > >>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. >> >> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. >> > > OK. That is good to know. > >> Regards, >> Dave
Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >>> Or is this an admin permission? >> >> On another thread and list I saw this: >> >> "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." > > The man page for ezmlm is also online: > > http://www.ezmlm.org/ezman/ezman2.html#ss2.6 > >>> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >>> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >>> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >>> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. > > You might also find the following to be helpful: > > http://pulse.apache.org/#ooo-dev_at_incubator.apache.org > Thanks, even better. Someone has already crunched the numbers. >> I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately >> 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything >> regarding Apache OOo. >> >> Regards, >> Dave > > - Sam Ruby >
Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >> Or is this an admin permission? > > On another thread and list I saw this: > > "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." > I did do that, and sent a note to : ooo-dev-h...@incubator.apache.org But the response I received back did not seem to be the generic help response. I didn't see anything there relevant. >> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. > > I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately > 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything > regarding Apache OOo. > OK. That is good to know. > Regards, > Dave
Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? >> Or is this an admin permission? > > On another thread and list I saw this: > > "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." The man page for ezmlm is also online: http://www.ezmlm.org/ezman/ezman2.html#ss2.6 >> I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, >> especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, >> contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether >> we are ready for a ooo-user list now. You might also find the following to be helpful: http://pulse.apache.org/#ooo-dev_at_incubator.apache.org > I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately > 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything > regarding Apache OOo. > > Regards, > Dave - Sam Ruby
Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?
On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? > Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: "Email ooo-dev-help@ from your moderator address for more information." > I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, > especially a sense of the ratio of "lurkers" to active participants, > contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication of whether > we are ready for a ooo-user list now. I have been lurking on us...@openoffice.org - there have been approximately 130 emails since June 24. Not a very high volume I haven't seen anything regarding Apache OOo. Regards, Dave
