Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
All - After Jeremy's comments I giving some thought as to using a wiki instead of a standard Publican document. It has definite advantages, but also some disadvantages, For me, the biggest disadvantage is that the document is never stable. But the advantages may outweigh this issue. In any case I am already considering the outline of the topics I think need covering. I should have rough outline by tomorrow. David Ashley Is there any scope for using a wiki for this? - if only as a modestly easy way for people to contribute bits of text and examples without having to get to grips with the whole content management issue? I think that whatever's done will need someone, or some group, to provide some sort of overall moderation/correcting of what gets written, especially if people (like me) who barely grasp how OO stuff works internally, as opposed to being able to use snippets of it ok, write any of the text. We should also somehow impose a common writing style (apart from the presentation style that Publican or whatever would give). -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
-Original Message- From: David Ashley [mailto:w.david.ash...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 September 2012 14:37 To: Open Object Rexx Developer Mailing List Subject: Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document All - After Jeremy's comments I giving some thought as to using a wiki instead of a standard Publican document. It has definite advantages, but also some disadvantages, For me, the biggest disadvantage is that the document is never stable. But the advantages may outweigh this issue. In any case I am already considering the outline of the topics I think need covering. I should have rough outline by tomorrow. David Ashley Is there any scope for using a wiki for this? - if only as a modestly easy way for people to contribute bits of text and examples without having to get to grips with the whole content management issue? I think that whatever's done will need someone, or some group, to provide some sort of overall moderation/correcting of what gets written, especially if people (like me) who barely grasp how OO stuff works internally, as opposed to being able to use snippets of it ok, write any of the text. We should also somehow impose a common writing style (apart from the presentation style that Publican or whatever would give). -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
[apologies for 0-content reply -- usual Outlook 'Send button under Reply button' problem ...] After Jeremy's comments I giving some thought as to using a wiki instead of a standard Publican document. It has definite advantages, but also some disadvantages, For me, the biggest disadvantage is that the document is never stable. No reason why one could not 'lock' pages. Or do as I do in MemoWiki .. allow creation of a Snapshot, which can then be Published to a website (in fact many of my speleotrove.com, and most of ny speleotrove.com, pages are created that way). Mike -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
[sigh] that should have read: After Jeremy's comments I giving some thought as to using a wiki instead of a standard Publican document. It has definite advantages, but also some disadvantages, For me, the biggest disadvantage is that the document is never stable. No reason why one could not 'lock' pages. Or do as I do in MemoWiki .. allow creation of a Snapshot, which can then be Published to a website (in fact many of my speleotrove.com, and all of the speleogroup.org, pages are created that way). Mike -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
Perhaps a mixture of both approaches might work: use a wiki for the working copy of the various sections of the document with a stable version kept as a Publican doc. in SVN. Periodic commits from the sections in the wiki to the Publican doc. should keep them in reasonable sync. I would expect. David Ashley wrote: All - After Jeremy's comments I giving some thought as to using a wiki instead of a standard Publican document. It has definite advantages, but also some disadvantages, For me, the biggest disadvantage is that the document is never stable. But the advantages may outweigh this issue. In any case I am already considering the outline of the topics I think need covering. I should have rough outline by tomorrow. David Ashley Is there any scope for using a wiki for this? - if only as a modestly easy way for people to contribute bits of text and examples without having to get to grips with the whole content management issue? I think that whatever's done will need someone, or some group, to provide some sort of overall moderation/correcting of what gets written, especially if people (like me) who barely grasp how OO stuff works internally, as opposed to being able to use snippets of it ok, write any of the text. We should also somehow impose a common writing style (apart from the presentation style that Publican or whatever would give). -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5274 - Release Date: 09/17/12 -- Gil Barmwater -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
[Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
All - After much deliberation on my part I believe that we need a new major document that, for lack of a better title, I am calling Getting Started. I would like for this to be a complete tutloial of getting and using ooRexx for the novice beginner. I think there is a huge audience for this document if we can make it so that it can get the beginner started using ooRexx from the object oriented perspective from the very beginning. Using objects is such a huge leap for most casual programmers that they just drop the whole idea of using ooRexx before they even get started. So we need to give them some help in the form of a tutorial that starts with simple object oriented concepts and builds on that base. This document, once it has the basic outline established, could grow with time with many people contributing to the it. There are many concepts to be explained and it would need to have a great many simple examples. So what does everyone think? I am willing to get it started and propose a basic outline. I certainly do not have the whole idea for this in my head and we would need to hash out an outline that everyone can agree with. Let me know how you feel about this idea. David Ashley -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
David, I agree with you completely. Everything you are saying about ooRexx in general applied to ooDialog. Which is why I encouraged Oliver to tackle a user Guide for ooDialog. The hard part of course is writing it. -- Mark Miesfeld On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM, David Ashley w.david.ash...@gmail.comwrote: All - After much deliberation on my part I believe that we need a new major document that, for lack of a better title, I am calling Getting Started. I would like for this to be a complete tutloial of getting and using ooRexx for the novice beginner. I think there is a huge audience for this document if we can make it so that it can get the beginner started using ooRexx from the object oriented perspective from the very beginning. Using objects is such a huge leap for most casual programmers that they just drop the whole idea of using ooRexx before they even get started. So we need to give them some help in the form of a tutorial that starts with simple object oriented concepts and builds on that base. This document, once it has the basic outline established, could grow with time with many people contributing to the it. There are many concepts to be explained and it would need to have a great many simple examples. So what does everyone think? I am willing to get it started and propose a basic outline. I certainly do not have the whole idea for this in my head and we would need to hash out an outline that everyone can agree with. Let me know how you feel about this idea. David Ashley -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
I think it's essential. I'd be interested in contributing - after I finish the ooDialog Guide of course. Off the top of my head, there seem to me to be three fundamental things about ooRexx that newbies should learn first and they are: (1) oorexx is typeless (of course it isn't - but when you've spent your life having to declare types for utterly everything - int, long, float, double, struct, hex, char, string, decimal (if you're lucky), etc. etc. - ooRexx is either seriously weird or it's utterly wonderful. (2) Objects (of course) - ooRexx is probably the most oo language I've met (which is good) but it's also procedural when you want it to be (e.g. in methods). And there's a great selection of structured programming constructs (e.g. I just love do over). (3) Strings - and the superb ooRexx functions (ok methods) for string manipulation. Beats most (all?) other languages into a cocked hat. Of course there's much much more - but the above three things are, I suspect, essential first steps (or at least among the set of essential first things). Pity there's no development environment. This could well put people off at first. Needs thought about how to present it. Notepad plus a Command Prompt will appear really Mickey Mouse - a huge leap backwards - to a newbie. -- Oliver Sims -Original Message- From: David Ashley [mailto:w.david.ash...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 September 2012 19:40 To: ooRexxDevel Subject: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document All - After much deliberation on my part I believe that we need a new major document that, for lack of a better title, I am calling Getting Started. I would like for this to be a complete tutloial of getting and using ooRexx for the novice beginner. I think there is a huge audience for this document if we can make it so that it can get the beginner started using ooRexx from the object oriented perspective from the very beginning. Using objects is such a huge leap for most casual programmers that they just drop the whole idea of using ooRexx before they even get started. So we need to give them some help in the form of a tutorial that starts with simple object oriented concepts and builds on that base. This document, once it has the basic outline established, could grow with time with many people contributing to the it. There are many concepts to be explained and it would need to have a great many simple examples. So what does everyone think? I am willing to get it started and propose a basic outline. I certainly do not have the whole idea for this in my head and we would need to hash out an outline that everyone can agree with. Let me know how you feel about this idea. David Ashley -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
David, I strongly support this. So much so, in fact, that I would be willing to work on it. I am not qualified to originate such a document, but I sure will help with it. Let me know what I can do. -Original Message- From: David Ashley [mailto:w.david.ash...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 13:40 To: ooRexxDevel Subject: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document All - After much deliberation on my part I believe that we need a new major document that, for lack of a better title, I am calling Getting Started. I would like for this to be a complete tutloial of getting and using ooRexx for the novice beginner. I think there is a huge audience for this document if we can make it so that it can get the beginner started using ooRexx from the object oriented perspective from the very beginning. Using objects is such a huge leap for most casual programmers that they just drop the whole idea of using ooRexx before they even get started. So we need to give them some help in the form of a tutorial that starts with simple object oriented concepts and builds on that base. This document, once it has the basic outline established, could grow with time with many people contributing to the it. There are many concepts to be explained and it would need to have a great many simple examples. So what does everyone think? I am willing to get it started and propose a basic outline. I certainly do not have the whole idea for this in my head and we would need to hash out an outline that everyone can agree with. Let me know how you feel about this idea. David Ashley -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] ooRexx Getting Started Document
David, I agree with you - a Getting Started document is needed. I believe that if such a document did exist, I would be using Object techniques instead of just writing classic code. ooRexx does a very good job of handling the Classic/Object mix of code that I do write, and I'm sure that things would probably work better (and projects would be completed faster) if I was truly writing object oriented code. Recent comments by Mark clarified some items for me, and some things that I have read about OO are now starting to make more sense. If you were start such a document, I would be more than glad to provide what ever assistance I can. In a past life, I did function as a rewrite editor, and while the technical documentation that I created throughout my career was considered verbose by some, most found it very readable and easily understood. /s/ Bill Turner, wb4alm -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
