Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Kathy Lussier]

Hi all,

I was following the discussion from the DIG hack-a-way today, but didn't 
have time to chime in.


+1 to Jason's comments. I think we have some disagreement on the 
proposed addition to the policy, but, overall, my sense is that the 
community is fairly happy with how the original policy has been 
implemented and with the way we handle the Evergreen listing.


Here's part of my confusion, we already say that vendors listed are 
supposed to have an Evergreen offering page.  This is copy and pasted 
from the "Getting Listed on the Evergreen Paid Support Services Page" 
on the WIKI:


"Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on 
their Evergreen offering page to the Evergreen community web site at"


How is a link back to that page a big deal?


I was surprised to see that we were already requiring an Evergreen 
offering page, which is a bit embarrassing since I was the person who 
pulled together that original policy. I suspect this is an accident of 
language that was used in making the link-back requirement. It is taken 
almost verbatim from the Koha policy, and I also may have been making a 
false assumption that all vendors would already have this page. A review 
of the original discussion confirms this suspicion as they was a lot of 
discussion regarding support for a link-back requirement, but no mention 
of a requirement for an Evergreen services page. Mea culpa.


I can also say that requirement is a piece of the policy that has not 
been enforced as there are existing vendors on the page that do not have 
an Evergreen offerings page. The only check I have made when adding 
vendors is that they comply with the link-back requirement. 
Nevertheless, the language is there, and if we decide to enforce it, 
then I guess we will need to contact any vendors who don't comply to ask 
that they create this page. At this time, I'm still a little hesitant to 
make that requirement.


Have a nice weekend everyone!

Kathy

Kathy Lussier
Project Coordinator
Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
(508) 343-0128
kluss...@masslnc.org
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
#evergreen IRC: kmlussier

On 9/12/2014 3:33 PM, Sharp, Chris wrote:

For the record,
+1

Chris

- Original Message -

From: "Jason Etheridge" 
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:08:38 PM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich
 wrote:

Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the
Evergreen community by linking back to our web site at
http://www.evergreen-ils.org/.

Speaking as an individual, I would prefer that we keep this a
requirement.  It's more than a fair "trade" for being listed on our
community website.  IMO, it's a show of solidarity with the Evergreen
community and a hedge against those who might want to fork the
software or keep changes to themselves in this new software as a
service world.  If you're going to use Evergreen to "compete", then
do
so on a level playing field.  Let others know what software you're
using and what that really means (that there is choice).  In other
words, compete on merit, not obfuscation.  It benefits everyone.

--
Jason Etheridge
| Support Manager
| Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
| phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| email: ja...@esilibrary.com
| web: http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Sharp, Chris]

For the record,
+1

Chris

- Original Message -
> From: "Jason Etheridge" 
> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" 
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:08:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy
> 
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich
>  wrote:
> > Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the
> > Evergreen community by linking back to our web site at
> > http://www.evergreen-ils.org/.
> 
> Speaking as an individual, I would prefer that we keep this a
> requirement.  It's more than a fair "trade" for being listed on our
> community website.  IMO, it's a show of solidarity with the Evergreen
> community and a hedge against those who might want to fork the
> software or keep changes to themselves in this new software as a
> service world.  If you're going to use Evergreen to "compete", then
> do
> so on a level playing field.  Let others know what software you're
> using and what that really means (that there is choice).  In other
> words, compete on merit, not obfuscation.  It benefits everyone.
> 
> --
> Jason Etheridge
> | Support Manager
> | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
> | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
> | email: ja...@esilibrary.com
> | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
> 

-- 
Chris Sharp
PINES System Administrator
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Jason Etheridge]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich
 wrote:
> Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the Evergreen 
> community by linking back to our web site at http://www.evergreen-ils.org/.

Speaking as an individual, I would prefer that we keep this a
requirement.  It's more than a fair "trade" for being listed on our
community website.  IMO, it's a show of solidarity with the Evergreen
community and a hedge against those who might want to fork the
software or keep changes to themselves in this new software as a
service world.  If you're going to use Evergreen to "compete", then do
so on a level playing field.  Let others know what software you're
using and what that really means (that there is choice).  In other
words, compete on merit, not obfuscation.  It benefits everyone.

-- 
Jason Etheridge
| Support Manager
| Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
| phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| email: ja...@esilibrary.com
| web: http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Justin Hopkins]

Hi everyone!

I've been watching this discussion for the last few days now. As it's 
been going on for quite some time, I've finally decided to share my 
thoughts.


There have been several comments about the work required to maintain 
this page. Some folks seem to feel it's quite a bit of effort, and 
others think it's really trivial. What I know for sure is that in the 
last year I've seen this issue discussed at some length here on the 
list, and I can only imagine the time required to write such thoughtful 
messages as I've seen from Chris, Rogan, Kathy, and everyone else is 
substantial.


I am beginning to wonder if this even needs to be on the 
evergreen-ils.org site at all. Take a look at this: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+list+of+vendors


I'm not trying to sell this idea, but I'm wondering if moving the list 
of vendors to a Wikipedia article might be a good way to get around 
this being a "policy issue". The wikipedia article could contain 
listings for vendors that would like to add themselves, vendors that 
community members felt compelled to add, and content/links that each 
individual contributor felt appropriate. People who have strong 
feelings about the evergreen-ils.org vendors page might redirect their 
efforts to being a major contributor to the Wikipedia article.


With respect,
Justin


On Fri Sep 12 11:13:12 2014, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote:

Perhaps by moving the link-back paragraph out of the “must” section and some 
minor wording changes the issue of appearing to mandate specific content on 
third-party websites could be avoided, for example:

--

Getting Listed on the Evergreen Paid Support Services Page

Companies and non-profit organizations providing Evergreen services must take 
the following steps to be added to the Evergreen Paid Support Services page.

• Send a request to the Evergreen General List with the following 
information:
• Name of company/organization
• Contact person
• Contact email
• Web site address
• Brief description of services

Companies and organizations will be added to the Paid Support Services page 
after demonstrating through the above process that they currently offer 
Evergreen services. Companies and organizations that do not offer Evergreen 
services will not be listed.

 From time to time, the members of the Evergreen community may check support 
providers to see if they currently offer Evergreen services. If a company no 
longer does, their entry may be removed. All removals will be posted publicly 
to the Evergreen mailing list.

A support provider may request that their entry be removed at any time.

Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the Evergreen 
community by linking back to our web site at http://www.evergreen-ils.org/.

--

Or something like that.

Also, the spelling should either be "Web site” always with a capital “W” or 
“website”.

Aleksey Lazar
IS Developer and Integrator - PALS
http://www.mnpals.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Compatible receipt printers

[Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich]

On 2014-09-11, at 16:05 , William McDuff  wrote:

> While people are answering this, does anyone have any experience with
> making a Epson T-T88IV receipt printer with Ubuntu Linux?

Hello, William.

Not specifically, but I’ve had experience with installing printers on Linux. I 
may be typing now what you already know, but what you need is to configure the 
CUPS printing system and also to install specific PPDs for your printer, if 
available. For your printer, maybe this page would be a good start: 
https://download.epson-biz.com/modules/pos/index.php?page=single_soft&cid=3934&scat=32&pcat=3&pid=30.
 There are PPDs included in the package, they seem generic for series rather 
than specific models. 

Aleksey Lazar
IS Developer and Integrator - PALS
http://www.mnpals.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich]

Perhaps by moving the link-back paragraph out of the “must” section and some 
minor wording changes the issue of appearing to mandate specific content on 
third-party websites could be avoided, for example:

--

Getting Listed on the Evergreen Paid Support Services Page

Companies and non-profit organizations providing Evergreen services must take 
the following steps to be added to the Evergreen Paid Support Services page.

• Send a request to the Evergreen General List with the following 
information:
• Name of company/organization
• Contact person
• Contact email
• Web site address
• Brief description of services

Companies and organizations will be added to the Paid Support Services page 
after demonstrating through the above process that they currently offer 
Evergreen services. Companies and organizations that do not offer Evergreen 
services will not be listed.

>From time to time, the members of the Evergreen community may check support 
>providers to see if they currently offer Evergreen services. If a company no 
>longer does, their entry may be removed. All removals will be posted publicly 
>to the Evergreen mailing list.

A support provider may request that their entry be removed at any time.

Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the Evergreen 
community by linking back to our web site at http://www.evergreen-ils.org/.

--

Or something like that.

Also, the spelling should either be "Web site” always with a capital “W” or 
“website”.

Aleksey Lazar
IS Developer and Integrator - PALS
http://www.mnpals.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Rogan Hamby]

Here's part of my confusion, we already say that vendors listed are
supposed to have an Evergreen offering page.  This is copy and pasted from
the "Getting Listed on the Evergreen Paid Support Services Page" on the
WIKI:

"Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on their
Evergreen offering page to the Evergreen community web site at"

How is a link back to that page a big deal?

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Rogan Hamby 
wrote:

> So, I admit I'm perplexed by this, you see it as policing vendors rather
> than helping them to provide it even as an option?
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Jason Stephenson  wrote:
>
>> Sent from my peronal email because I'm answering in my role as a vendor
>> and independent community member and not in my role at MVLC.
>>
>> On 09/11/2014 04:27 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
>> > What I'm curious to know from Brad and other vendors is if this is
>> > something they would want to do.  There have been a lot of comments
>> > about this being a burden and almost in a tone as if it was a harassment
>> > to vendors.  I envisioned it as a positive way of pointing community
>> > members to services they might want and thus helping the vendors.  If
>> > this isn't something they would want then while I do think it would be
>> > better for potential customers there probably isn't a reason to proceed.
>>
>> If a vendor makes it hard for a customer to find out what their
>> Evergreen services are, that vendor won't get very many Evergreen
>> customers. I don't think it is the community's role to police this. The
>> onus is on the vendor.
>>
>> I agree with Chris and Kathy that such a page should not necessarily be
>> a requirement.
>>
>> FWIW, I already have such a page on my site.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jason Stephenson
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
> York County Library System
>
> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
> me.”
> ― C.S. Lewis 
>



-- 

Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Tag 880 indexing for CJK characters

[Elizabeth B. Thomsen]

We index the 880s -- you can see an example of a record displaying 880s 
here: http://evergreen.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/2720030


Here's a link to search results for titles with Beijing (北京)
http://evergreen.noblenet.org/eg/opac/results?query=%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC&qtype=title&fg%3Aadvanced=&locg=1

Screenshot here:
http://screencast.com/t/XnPDck1e66PZ

Release notes for this feature:
http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/release/RELEASE_NOTES_2_4.html#_opac

Hope this helps!

On 9/12/2014 10:11 AM, catalog library wrote:

I am a consultant librarian for a new college in Hong Kong which plans
to commence in Sept 2015.

I came to study the implementation of the system in a local server, and
encounter the configuration in indexing the Chinese characters in tag
880s.  May I seek a pointer from you that whether the Evergreen system
support the indexing of CJK characters (non-romanized alphabets) in the
tag 880 such as corresponding to the title 245 and author 1xx / 7xx in
MARC21 format, or RDA?

Appreciate you sharing & advice, Cheers,

Agatha SIT



--
Elizabeth Thomsen, Member Services Manager
NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange
26 Cherry Hill Drive
Danvers MA 01923
E-mail: e...@noblenet.org

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Tag 880 indexing for CJK characters

[Ben Shum]

Hi Agatha,

I'm not 100% familiar with this area of Evergreen, but I know that
there is general support for linking of tag 880 to the corresponding
entries for display purposes in the catalog.  For example, this is an
example bib record on one of my test systems:
http://theory.biblio.org/eg/opac/record/204?query=Tu%20shuo%20Zhongguo%20jie;qtype=keyword;locg=1

Grabbing the actual characters from the 880 tag though does not seem
to retrieve in a search, so I guess 880 is not currently an indexed
field for my keyword/author, etc. indexes.

Maybe some others would know more about the potential for including
other characters as part of the indexes...

-- Ben

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, catalog library  wrote:
> I am a consultant librarian for a new college in Hong Kong which plans to
> commence in Sept 2015.
>
> I came to study the implementation of the system in a local server, and
> encounter the configuration in indexing the Chinese characters in tag 880s.
> May I seek a pointer from you that whether the Evergreen system support the
> indexing of CJK characters (non-romanized alphabets) in the tag 880 such as
> corresponding to the title 245 and author 1xx / 7xx in MARC21 format, or
> RDA?
>
> Appreciate you sharing & advice, Cheers,
>
> Agatha SIT



-- 
Benjamin Shum
Evergreen Systems Manager
Bibliomation, Inc.
24 Wooster Ave.
Waterbury, CT 06708
203-577-4070, ext. 113

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Rogan Hamby]

So, I admit I'm perplexed by this, you see it as policing vendors rather
than helping them to provide it even as an option?

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Jason Stephenson  wrote:

> Sent from my peronal email because I'm answering in my role as a vendor
> and independent community member and not in my role at MVLC.
>
> On 09/11/2014 04:27 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
> > What I'm curious to know from Brad and other vendors is if this is
> > something they would want to do.  There have been a lot of comments
> > about this being a burden and almost in a tone as if it was a harassment
> > to vendors.  I envisioned it as a positive way of pointing community
> > members to services they might want and thus helping the vendors.  If
> > this isn't something they would want then while I do think it would be
> > better for potential customers there probably isn't a reason to proceed.
>
> If a vendor makes it hard for a customer to find out what their
> Evergreen services are, that vendor won't get very many Evergreen
> customers. I don't think it is the community's role to police this. The
> onus is on the vendor.
>
> I agree with Chris and Kathy that such a page should not necessarily be
> a requirement.
>
> FWIW, I already have such a page on my site.
>
> Cheers,
> Jason Stephenson
>
>


-- 

Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis 

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Tag 880 indexing for CJK characters

[catalog library]

I am a consultant librarian for a new college in Hong Kong which plans to
commence in Sept 2015.

I came to study the implementation of the system in a local server, and
encounter the configuration in indexing the Chinese characters in tag 880s.
 May I seek a pointer from you that whether the Evergreen system support
the indexing of CJK characters (non-romanized alphabets) in the tag 880
such as corresponding to the title 245 and author 1xx / 7xx in MARC21
format, or RDA?

Appreciate you sharing & advice, Cheers,

Agatha SIT

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy

[Jason Stephenson]

Sent from my peronal email because I'm answering in my role as a vendor
and independent community member and not in my role at MVLC.

On 09/11/2014 04:27 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
> What I'm curious to know from Brad and other vendors is if this is
> something they would want to do.  There have been a lot of comments
> about this being a burden and almost in a tone as if it was a harassment
> to vendors.  I envisioned it as a positive way of pointing community
> members to services they might want and thus helping the vendors.  If
> this isn't something they would want then while I do think it would be
> better for potential customers there probably isn't a reason to proceed.  

If a vendor makes it hard for a customer to find out what their
Evergreen services are, that vendor won't get very many Evergreen
customers. I don't think it is the community's role to police this. The
onus is on the vendor.

I agree with Chris and Kathy that such a page should not necessarily be
a requirement.

FWIW, I already have such a page on my site.

Cheers,
Jason Stephenson