[OpenAFS] Retiring the LWP fileserver

2011-09-13 Thread Simon Wilkinson
We're currently maintaining 3 versions of the AFS fileserver - the LWP one, a 
normal pthreaded fileserver, and the demand attach fileserver. The normal 
pthreaded fileserver has been the default for all of our supported platforms 
since the 1.4 release.

I'd like to simplify the build tree, and the fileserver code, by removing 
support for the LWP fileserver. We have a long term goal of removing LWP from 
the tree entirely, so this is one step along the way. If I do so, this change 
would only target master - the LWP fileserver would remain on the 1.6 tree.

Is there anyone out there deliberately making use of the LWP fileserver who 
would be affected by its removal from master?

Cheers,

Simon

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Re: [OpenAFS] Retiring the LWP fileserver

2011-09-13 Thread Derrick Brashear
Cases I knew of LWP fileserver being used:
Linux with new pthreads support until what turned out to be bugs in
our pthread support
were addressed. LD_ASSUME_KERNEL also could be used at the time to
assume an older kernel
and assume LinuxThreads.
Previous NetBSD versions: their pthread support was buggy.


As far as I know, the LWP fileserver (nor volserver) are neither
necessary nor desirable anywhere.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Simon Wilkinson s...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote:
 We're currently maintaining 3 versions of the AFS fileserver - the LWP one, a 
 normal pthreaded fileserver, and the demand attach fileserver. The normal 
 pthreaded fileserver has been the default for all of our supported platforms 
 since the 1.4 release.

 I'd like to simplify the build tree, and the fileserver code, by removing 
 support for the LWP fileserver. We have a long term goal of removing LWP from 
 the tree entirely, so this is one step along the way. If I do so, this change 
 would only target master - the LWP fileserver would remain on the 1.6 tree.

 Is there anyone out there deliberately making use of the LWP fileserver who 
 would be affected by its removal from master?

 Cheers,

 Simon

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[OpenAFS] Secure Endpoints website loads VERY slowly

2011-09-13 Thread John Tang Boyland
I ask my students to doanload KfW from secure endpoints.
But for some reason the HTML page: 
http://www.secure-endpoints.com/index.html#kfw
is VERY slow to load.  Just to VIEW the page can take 10-15 minutes, 
and that's before one even tries to download the various
software bundles on the site.

(The slow loading happens with Explorer, Chrome or Opera, so I don't
think it's browser specific.  It happens on Windows and on Solaris,
so I don't think it's arch specific.)

Is this a bug or a feature?

Best regards,
John
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Re: [OpenAFS] Secure Endpoints website loads VERY slowly

2011-09-13 Thread Georg Sluyterman
John Tang Boyland wrote, On 2011-09-13 18:00:
 I ask my students to doanload KfW from secure endpoints.
 But for some reason the HTML page: 
 http://www.secure-endpoints.com/index.html#kfw
 is VERY slow to load.  Just to VIEW the page can take 10-15 minutes, 
 and that's before one even tries to download the various
 software bundles on the site.
 
 (The slow loading happens with Explorer, Chrome or Opera, so I don't
 think it's browser specific.  It happens on Windows and on Solaris,
 so I don't think it's arch specific.)
 
 Is this a bug or a feature?
 

It works just fine here (loads within 1 second or so).

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Georg Sluyterman
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Re: [OpenAFS] Retiring the LWP fileserver

2011-09-13 Thread Stephan Wiesand

On Sep 13, 2011, at 14:52 , Derrick Brashear wrote:

 Cases I knew of LWP fileserver being used:
 Linux with new pthreads support until what turned out to be bugs in
 our pthread support
 were addressed. LD_ASSUME_KERNEL also could be used at the time to
 assume an older kernel
 and assume LinuxThreads.
 Previous NetBSD versions: their pthread support was buggy.
 
 
 As far as I know, the LWP fileserver (nor volserver) are neither
 necessary nor desirable anywhere.

The last time I tried, only the LWP fileserver worked under User Mode Linux :-) 
But then, that was in 2003. And I guess nobody cares.

 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Simon Wilkinson s...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote:
 We're currently maintaining 3 versions of the AFS fileserver - the LWP one, 
 a normal pthreaded fileserver, and the demand attach fileserver. The 
 normal pthreaded fileserver has been the default for all of our supported 
 platforms since the 1.4 release.
 
 I'd like to simplify the build tree, and the fileserver code, by removing 
 support for the LWP fileserver. We have a long term goal of removing LWP 
 from the tree entirely, so this is one step along the way. If I do so, this 
 change would only target master - the LWP fileserver would remain on the 1.6 
 tree.
 
 Is there anyone out there deliberately making use of the LWP fileserver who 
 would be affected by its removal from master?

-- 
Stephan Wiesand
DESY -DV-
Platanenenallee 6
15738 Zeuthen, Germany

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[OpenAFS] OpenAFS on Windows 7

2011-09-13 Thread Mag. Mike B. Kerber
Hi all Win 7 users!

Having played with Windows 7 and also with the OpenAFS installation and
32bit and 64bit versions we came to the conclusions that Windows 7 sucks
in many aspects -including the troubles with afs and also kerberos.
There are some problems with the network and sharing center that cause
some problems in several aspects.

Yet with respect to OpenAFS we can tell anyone who is interested to wait
the few days until the IFS client is there.
Having it tested it worked really well from the first install and we
_hope_ that it is just bug free ;) until now no problems appeared.
We think that Jeffrey Altman and the other developers did a really great
job, many thanks for all the hard work!

We cant wait until the IFS is in the official development tree so that
the software can turn stable soon.

thanks to the OpenAFS team from

-mike  the rest of the physnano it guys
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[OpenAFS] Windows 2000 and the 1.6 release problem

2011-09-13 Thread Mag. Mike B. Kerber
Ok we have been running OpenAFS with version 1.5.7800 without problems.
After the mail indicating problems with the 1.6 release, i gave it a try
and also found that windows declared afsd_service as an invalid Win32 app.
Possible cause is that the executable was build using visual studio 2010.
The latter is using newer functions from the kernel only available in
windows xp sp2+ so that the compiler marks the executable as
operating system version 5.01 and subsystem version 5.01.
The problem in that case would be that even if the versions are
corrected (can be done) the executable is indeed missing a function.

Now i was wondering if the latest release of openafs was done with
Visualstudio 2010, if that is the case rebuild with VS2008 would most
likely fix the binaries thus fixing the problem.
If that is not the case i could do some investigation if it is of any help.

best wishes

-mike

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Re: [OpenAFS] Secure Endpoints website loads VERY slowly

2011-09-13 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Completely off-topic for this list.

On 9/13/2011 12:00 PM, John Tang Boyland wrote:
 I ask my students to doanload KfW from secure endpoints.
 But for some reason the HTML page: 
 http://www.secure-endpoints.com/index.html#kfw
 is VERY slow to load.  Just to VIEW the page can take 10-15 minutes, 
 and that's before one even tries to download the various
 software bundles on the site.
 
 (The slow loading happens with Explorer, Chrome or Opera, so I don't
 think it's browser specific.  It happens on Windows and on Solaris,
 so I don't think it's arch specific.)
 
 Is this a bug or a feature?
 
 Best regards,
 John
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Re: [OpenAFS] Retiring the LWP fileserver

2011-09-13 Thread Derrick Brashear
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Stephan Wiesand
stephan.wies...@desy.de wrote:

 On Sep 13, 2011, at 14:52 , Derrick Brashear wrote:

 Cases I knew of LWP fileserver being used:
 Linux with new pthreads support until what turned out to be bugs in
 our pthread support
 were addressed. LD_ASSUME_KERNEL also could be used at the time to
 assume an older kernel
 and assume LinuxThreads.
 Previous NetBSD versions: their pthread support was buggy.


 As far as I know, the LWP fileserver (nor volserver) are neither
 necessary nor desirable anywhere.

 The last time I tried, only the LWP fileserver worked under User Mode Linux 
 :-) But then, that was in 2003. And I guess nobody cares.

at this point i'd guess other means of virtualization would better
serve, anyway.
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Re: [OpenAFS] Retiring the LWP fileserver

2011-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Derrick Brashear sha...@gmail.com writes:
 Stephan Wiesand stephan.wies...@desy.de wrote:

 The last time I tried, only the LWP fileserver worked under User Mode
 Linux :-) But then, that was in 2003. And I guess nobody cares.

 at this point i'd guess other means of virtualization would better
 serve, anyway.

There's an open bug tagged help about supporting AFS on User Mode Linux
against the Debian package that no one has commented on or seemed to care
about in years.  I don't get the impression that many people use it any
more, yeah.

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[OpenAFS] 1.4.14 with 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5?

2011-09-13 Thread Jeff Blaine

Any ideas here?  Known problem?  What would you like to have
for debugging info?

OpenAFS 1.4.14
Linux 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5

Reboot with no AFS
Remove entire cache directory contents
Start AFS

First test run, then immediate problem on 2nd test run
of same code:

-bash-3.2# time /afs/rcf/user/jblaine/afs-exercise.sh

real0m11.423s
user0m0.004s
sys 0m0.023s
-bash-3.2# time /afs/rcf/user/jblaine/afs-exercise.sh
find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for .: this may be a bug in your 
filesystem driver.  Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. 
Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have 
been searched.

[... after 1m24s I ^C ]

The script is, in essence:

cd /afs/ourcell/someplace
for every file found with 'find'
cat file to /dev/null
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Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS for Windows IFS Status

2011-09-13 Thread Steve Simmons

On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Ben Howell wrote:

 Will that release on/about Sep. 15 be a alpha/beta/dev release, or an 
 actual public release?

It's the 1.7 branch, and therefore a development release. And like all openafs 
development releases, it's public.


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Re: [OpenAFS] Retiring the LWP fileserver

2011-09-13 Thread Steve Simmons

On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:03 AM, Simon Wilkinson wrote:

 We're currently maintaining 3 versions of the AFS fileserver - the LWP one, a 
 normal pthreaded fileserver, and the demand attach fileserver. The normal 
 pthreaded fileserver has been the default for all of our supported platforms 
 since the 1.4 release.
 
 I'd like to simplify the build tree, and the fileserver code, by removing 
 support for the LWP fileserver. We have a long term goal of removing LWP from 
 the tree entirely, so this is one step along the way. If I do so, this change 
 would only target master - the LWP fileserver would remain on the 1.6 tree.
 
 Is there anyone out there deliberately making use of the LWP fileserver who 
 would be affected by its removal from master?

Not here (umich.edu).

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[OpenAFS] Re: 1.4.14 with 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5?

2011-09-13 Thread Andrew Deason
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:07:04 -0400
Jeff Blaine jbla...@kickflop.net wrote:

 -bash-3.2# time /afs/rcf/user/jblaine/afs-exercise.sh
 find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for .: this may be a bug in your 
 filesystem driver.  Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. 
 Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have 
 been searched.

Is the problem just this message? This is known:

   -noleaf
  Do  not  optimize  by  assuming that directories contain 2 fewer
  subdirectories than their  hard  link  count.   This  option  is
  needed  when  searching  filesystems that do not follow the Unix
  directory-link convention, such as CD-ROM or MS-DOS  filesystems
  or  AFS  volume  mount  points.

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Andrew Deason
adea...@sinenomine.net

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