Age
Thomas, What you wrote with respect to age, is absolutely true. It is a notion defined at the knowledge layer. But expressed at an information model layer. On the level of the knowledge layer 'age' is more than a set of numbers indicating the time past since an arbitrary point in time. Next to 'age' there will be more notions that warrant the same discussions we have had. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 29 Jan 2005, at 02:07, Thomas Beale wrote: This all suggest strongly to me knowledge layer not information model layer! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 721 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20050129/bc222482/attachment.bin
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Dear all, IMPLEMENTERS LIST a discussion list for early adopters has been set up. We decided to call it openehr-implementers (NOTE spelling of implementers!), rather than early-adopters since in a couple of years' time there will be people on the list who are at a mature stage of development. We are testing the list at the moment. What we need to know from the community is how we should run it. Q - should the list be completely open to any openEHR member (i.e. anyone with a login), as for the existing 3 lists? Q - or should it be more closed, to protect commercial sensitivities of some members? If so how would new members get onto it? Personally I think it should be open like the other lists. I believe that commercial organisations have to take responsibility themselves for using such lists while protecting any secret knowledge they have. There is always, after all, private email. When we have an answer to this, we will provide an access point to the list. THE Reply-to PROBLEM We have asked in the past which way the openEHR community wanted the list servers set, and it seemed pretty clear that most people would prefer to have Reply-to set to the list, avoiding the annoyance of using reply-all in your email client. However, our system administrators have so far preferred to keep it the way it is, due to the extra work involved in dealing with automatic holiday/absence mail, as well as various other nuisances. As I am sure everyone will agree, email is not what it used to be - spam and the sheer numbers of people using email have made life more challenging for those who manage systems. Nevertheless, we will endeavour to get this setting changed for the community as soon as possible. - thomas beale - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org
Antw: Re: Age, gender and more
Williamtfgoossen at cs.com wrote: In een bericht met de datum 27-1-2005 13:39:00 West-Europa (standaardtijd), schrijft sam.heard at bigpond.com: I know that a lot of this material has already been classified and coded in the international classification for nursing practice of ICN (Geneva). This kind of referring to age and time is quite usual in nursing practice, (after birth, post operative, young), infant) I am now at an airport lounge and have no access to all, but do not start double work on this please. William, what vocabularies and reference ranges should we be using? It appears that we need not just sets of terms like after birth, post operative etc, but age ranges for them; and then there will probably be a similar set for different disciplines. E.g. I imagine that in perinatology infant might be defined as one range, while for psychiatry it will be defined another way. So a single vocabulary won't do it. - thomas beale - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org
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Q - should the list be completely open to any openEHR member (i.e. anyone with a login), as for the existing 3 lists? Q - or should it be more closed, to protect commercial sensitivities of some members? If so how would new members get onto it? Personally I think it should be open like the other lists. I believe that commercial organisations have to take responsibility themselves for using such lists while protecting any secret knowledge they have. There is always, after all, private email. When we have an answer to this, we will provide an access point to the list. I agree with Tom's point on this. Sensitivity to secrets of commercial orgs is of course important, but I feel that understanding by the community that there are such concerns, especially in an open environment, should be encouraged; I don't like the idea of making a more conditional use of a discussion list for implementors, a list I hope will be as useful a medium to share ideas and discussion as the other lists. With best wishes, Nathan On 29 Jan 2005, at 14:38, Thomas Beale wrote: Dear all, IMPLEMENTERS LIST a discussion list for early adopters has been set up. We decided to call it openehr-implementers (NOTE spelling of implementers!), rather than early-adopters since in a couple of years' time there will be people on the list who are at a mature stage of development. We are testing the list at the moment. What we need to know from the community is how we should run it. Q - should the list be completely open to any openEHR member (i.e. anyone with a login), as for the existing 3 lists? Q - or should it be more closed, to protect commercial sensitivities of some members? If so how would new members get onto it? Personally I think it should be open like the other lists. I believe that commercial organisations have to take responsibility themselves for using such lists while protecting any secret knowledge they have. There is always, after all, private email. When we have an answer to this, we will provide an access point to the list. THE Reply-to PROBLEM We have asked in the past which way the openEHR community wanted the list servers set, and it seemed pretty clear that most people would prefer to have Reply-to set to the list, avoiding the annoyance of using reply-all in your email client. However, our system administrators have so far preferred to keep it the way it is, due to the extra work involved in dealing with automatic holiday/absence mail, as well as various other nuisances. As I am sure everyone will agree, email is not what it used to be - spam and the sheer numbers of people using email have made life more challenging for those who manage systems. Nevertheless, we will endeavour to get this setting changed for the community as soon as possible. - thomas beale - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org --- Nathan C. Lea Research Fellow Electronic Healthcare Record Systems Centre for Health Informatics and Multiprofessional Education Royal Free and University College London Medical School 4th Floor, Holborn Union Building Archway Campus Highgate Hill London N19 5LW www.ehr.chime.ucl.ac.uk - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org
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On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 02:38:52PM +, Thomas Beale wrote: [ some snipped ] Q - should the list be completely open to any openEHR member (i.e. anyone with a login), as for the existing 3 lists? YES ! Open to all ... even list-lurkers (like me). My Q: Why have four lists ? Amalgamate all and have just one with all components shared. There is so much cross-over of the material that there is hardly a single post which can be stated to be specific for any of the sub groups ... the volumes too are not much bothersome, as of now ;-) Q - or should it be more closed, to protect commercial sensitivities of some members? If so how would new members get onto it? Closed ? No way ... that would be 'blasphemy' ;-) In no way can we compromise the spirit of Open Source. Just a reminder of our QRs from the opening page of openehr.org: quote developing open-source specifications, software and knowledge management resources /quote Personally I think it should be open like the other lists. I believe that commercial organisationshave to take responsibility themselves for using such lists while protecting any secret knowledge they have. There is always, after all, private email. When we have an answer to this, we will provide an access point to the list. I am 100% in consonance with you here ... THE Reply-to PROBLEM [ rest snipped] Thanks for the info. Happy that the issue is under process ... Dr USM Bish Bangalore - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org
