Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Kernest’s Web Font Serving En gine – Fontue – Now Open Source

2010-04-21 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Garrick Van Buren wrote:
 I've open-sourced Kernest's underlying font serving engine.
 
 Info
 here: 
 http://blog.kernest.com/archive/kernests-web-font-serving-engine-fontue-now-open-source

Hi Garrick,

Quick note to say thanks a lot for all your efforts in this area and
releasing your font serving component under MIT/X11 (and with some
documentation too).

Interesting approach !
Do you have any stats on the preferred formats you currently support?

I like the way you're not hiding the origin, license and other metadata
of the libre/open fonts you include in your catalog  (Ahem unlike others
apparently: http://readableweb.com/typekit-and-copyright-fraud/ but they
promised they will work on clarifying it..) but I really recommend you
move away from the confusing free description: please consider saying
Gratis when you don't make your subscribers directly pay for the given
font and libre/open when you describe fonts released under
community-approved licenses allowing distribution / modification / study
/ redistribution. This clarification will benefit everyone. Please do
it. You're benefiting (and rightly so, it's great!) from the work of
font designers who have released their creation under a
community-recognized license so please don't misrepresent their work by
wrapping it under confusing blanket terms...  You could also consider
some more linkbacks to the open font community websites or even some
small amount of support/sponsoring of community efforts around
collaborative font design (a tiny percentage of profit on libre/open
fonts given back to encourage community efforts which will then benefit
you?)...

(A very minor thing: s/browswer/browser/g)

Thanks again!


-- 
Nicolas Spalinger, NRSI volunteer
Debian/Ubuntu font teams / OpenFontLibrary
http://planet.open-fonts.org




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Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Kernest’s Web Font Serving En gine – Fontue – Now Open Source

2010-04-21 Thread Barry Schwartz
Oh, I forgot to say: An easy way to see what fonts are used at a site
is the Font Finder extension for Firefox:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4415


Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Kernest’s Web Font Serving En gine – Fontue – Now Open Source

2010-04-21 Thread Barry Schwartz
Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org skribis:
 I like the way you're not hiding the origin, license and other metadata
 of the libre/open fonts you include in your catalog  (Ahem unlike others
 apparently: http://readableweb.com/typekit-and-copyright-fraud/ but they
 promised they will work on clarifying it..)

More like blog fraud, if you ask me. :) But TypeKit did make the
mistake of writing language that sounds legal, rather than
English. (The ISC license is the only I can think of that is written
in English, and for that you have to disregard the disclaimer, which
is written in Alpha Centauran.)

TypeKit embeds my fonts, as a service to others; they should embed the
copyright string with the font, but it doesn't really matter, because
I do not require attribution when someone embeds my fonts. Some _do_
require attribution for embedding (Jos Buivenga, for one), but I'm not
sure it's TypeKit who needs to do the attributing; rather the website
using the font.

Personally, I think requiring attribution for the use of a text font
is somewhat like requiring a painter to follow the signature with a
note about what brand of paint, brushes, palettes, and easles were
used.



Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Kernest’s Web Font Serving En gine – Fontue – Now Open Source

2010-04-21 Thread Ed Trager
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Barry Schwartz
chemoelect...@chemoelectric.org wrote:
 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org skribis:
 I like the way you're not hiding the origin, license and other metadata
 of the libre/open fonts you include in your catalog  (Ahem unlike others
 apparently: http://readableweb.com/typekit-and-copyright-fraud/ but they
 promised they will work on clarifying it..)

 More like blog fraud, if you ask me. :) But TypeKit did make the
 mistake of writing language that sounds legal, rather than
 English. (The ISC license is the only I can think of that is written
 in English, and for that you have to disregard the disclaimer, which
 is written in Alpha Centauran.)

 TypeKit embeds my fonts, as a service to others; they should embed the
 copyright string with the font, but it doesn't really matter, because
 I do not require attribution when someone embeds my fonts. Some _do_
 require attribution for embedding (Jos Buivenga, for one), but I'm not
 sure it's TypeKit who needs to do the attributing; rather the website
 using the font.

 Personally, I think requiring attribution for the use of a text font
 is somewhat like requiring a painter to follow the signature with a
 note about what brand of paint, brushes, palettes, and easles were
 used.



People who are really interested in fonts often will know already who
the font author is, and will make the effort to find out if they like
the font.  Other people don't care as much and so will most likely not
pay much attention to the attribution even if it is present.  So in
the end analysis, it may not make that much difference whether
attribution is given or not ...