Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Hi Philippe,

Last I heard Yves moved to a new department in the European 
CommissionI don't recall where. Brian or  Carlo Daffara would likely 
know

Joseph

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This short message to say how happy I am to see Brian back.
> Many of us have been able to meet and establish friendly relationships
> due to Minoru's  work.
> 
> I am still missing Yves Paindaveine. Any news from him ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Philippe
> 


 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Philippe AMELINE]

Hi,

This short message to say how happy I am to see Brian back.
Many of us have been able to meet and establish friendly relationships 
due to Minoru's  work.

I am still missing Yves Paindaveine. Any news from him ?

Cheers,

Philippe


 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Brian Bray]

I totally agree with you, it's just a matter of timing.

There is an archive now and it works. The current system has worked OK 
for eight years now, and is the same system used to archive this list. 
"If it's not broken don't fix it" is an old developer saying that 
applies here.

Let's revisit this again when OSHCA exists.

-Brian

Molly Cheah wrote:
> Brian,
> In not underestimating the importance of the Minoru mail archives, can
> these be saved into a hard disk (40 or 80 G), since this is too big for
> the yahoo archive limit? I already have some pledges of financial
> support privately from some members and we can afford to purchase this
> harddisk :). In the context of the overall planning for OSHCA's role in
> open source in health care vis-a-vis the MDGs, I've already communicated
> with the relevant UN agencies to request for support for OSHCA and its
> activities. There shouldn't be any problem getting this support since
> our vision and mission meet some of the WSIS agenda and commitments,
> besides being based in a developing country. We can discuss offline the
> details of costs etc.
>
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Brian Bray wrote:
>
> >There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume
> >most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format.
> >Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to
> >be in place to prevent mining and spam.
> >
> >The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know,
> >continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a
> >couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites,
> >but I'm not sure if they are still operational.
> >
> >I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if
> >there is a need for older messages.
> >
> >-Brian
> >
> >Will Ross wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Brian,
> >>
> >>How large is the mail archive of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>[wr]
> >>
> >>- - - - - - - -
> >>
> >>On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Will --
> >>>
> >>>Any member of the list can post a compressed archive of the mails
> >>>in the
> >>>Files area of http://yahoogroups.com/group/openhealth (in a
> >>>non-proprietary format, of course!), but we have a limit of 20MB. How
> >>>big would an archive be?
> >>>
> >>>-- Bhaskar
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 06:42 -0600, Will Ross wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> bhaskar,
> 
> do you think the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" archive will be too large to
> post as a file at yahoogroups "openhealth"
> 
> [wr]
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>[wr]
> >>
> >>- - - - - - - -
> >>
> >>will ross
> >>project manager
> >>mendocino informatics
> >>216 west perkins street, suite 206
> >>ukiah, california 95482 usa
> >>707.272.7255 [voice]
> >>707.462.5015 [fax]
> >>www.minformatics.com
> >>
> >>- - - - - - - -
> >>
> >>"Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents."
> >> Sir Tim Berners-Lee
> >>
> >>- - - - - - - -
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >>
> >> * Visit your group "openhealth
> >> " on the web.
> >>
> >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> 
> >>
> >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> >> Service .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> * Visit your group "openhealth
>   " on the web.
> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Molly Cheah]

Brian,
In not underestimating the importance of the Minoru mail archives, can 
these be saved into a hard disk (40 or 80 G), since this is too big for 
the yahoo archive limit? I already have some pledges of financial 
support privately from some members and we can afford to purchase this 
harddisk :). In the context of the overall planning for OSHCA's role in 
open source in health care vis-a-vis the MDGs, I've already communicated 
with the relevant UN agencies to request for support for OSHCA and its 
activities. There shouldn't be any problem getting this support since 
our vision and mission meet some of the WSIS agenda and commitments, 
besides being based in a developing country. We can discuss offline the 
details of costs etc.

Rgds,
Molly
Brian Bray wrote:

>There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume 
>most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format. 
>Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to 
>be in place to prevent mining and spam.
>
>The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know, 
>continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a 
>couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites, 
>but I'm not sure if they are still operational.
>
>I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if 
>there is a need for older messages.
>
>-Brian
>
>Will Ross wrote:
>  
>
>>Brian,
>>
>>How large is the mail archive of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>[wr]
>>
>>- - - - - - - -
>>
>>On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Will --
>>>
>>>Any member of the list can post a compressed archive of the mails 
>>>in the
>>>Files area of http://yahoogroups.com/group/openhealth (in a
>>>non-proprietary format, of course!), but we have a limit of 20MB.  How
>>>big would an archive be?
>>>
>>>-- Bhaskar
>>>
>>>On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 06:42 -0600, Will Ross wrote:
>>>  
>>>
bhaskar,

do you think the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" archive will be too large to
post as a file at yahoogroups "openhealth"

[wr]


>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>[wr]
>>
>>- - - - - - - -
>>
>>will ross
>>project manager
>>mendocino informatics
>>216 west perkins street, suite 206
>>ukiah, california  95482  usa
>>707.272.7255 [voice]
>>707.462.5015 [fax]
>>www.minformatics.com
>>
>>- - - - - - - -
>>
>>"Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents."
>> Sir Tim Berners-Lee
>>
>>- - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>>
>>*  Visit your group "openhealth
>>  " on the web.
>>   
>>*  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  
>>   
>>*  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>>  Service .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I checked mailarchive.com and it is still operational...but don't know 
how far back it goes.

Joseph

Brian Bray wrote:
> There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume
> most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format.
> Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to
> be in place to prevent mining and spam.
> 
> The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know,
> continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a
> couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites,
> but I'm not sure if they are still operational.
> 
> I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if
> there is a need for older messages.
> 
> -Brian
> 


 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Brian Bray]

There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume 
most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format. 
Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to 
be in place to prevent mining and spam.

The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know, 
continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a 
couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites, 
but I'm not sure if they are still operational.

I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if 
there is a need for older messages.

-Brian

Will Ross wrote:
> Brian,
>
> How large is the mail archive of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [wr]
>
> - - - - - - - -
>
> On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
>
> > Will --
> >
> > Any member of the list can post a compressed archive of the mails 
> > in the
> > Files area of http://yahoogroups.com/group/openhealth (in a
> > non-proprietary format, of course!), but we have a limit of 20MB.  How
> > big would an archive be?
> >
> > -- Bhaskar
> >
> > On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 06:42 -0600, Will Ross wrote:
> >> bhaskar,
> >>
> >> do you think the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" archive will be too large to
> >> post as a file at yahoogroups "openhealth"
> >>
> >> [wr]
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [wr]
>
> - - - - - - - -
>
> will ross
> project manager
> mendocino informatics
> 216 west perkins street, suite 206
> ukiah, california  95482  usa
> 707.272.7255 [voice]
> 707.462.5015 [fax]
> www.minformatics.com
>
> - - - - - - - -
>
> "Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents."
>  Sir Tim Berners-Lee
>
> - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "openhealth
>   " on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
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>
>
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>



 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Will Ross]

Brian,

How large is the mail archive of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[wr]

- - - - - - - -

On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Bhaskar, KS wrote:

> Will --
>
> Any member of the list can post a compressed archive of the mails  
> in the
> Files area of http://yahoogroups.com/group/openhealth (in a
> non-proprietary format, of course!), but we have a limit of 20MB.  How
> big would an archive be?
>
> -- Bhaskar
>
> On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 06:42 -0600, Will Ross wrote:
>> bhaskar,
>>
>> do you think the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" archive will be too large to
>> post as a file at yahoogroups "openhealth"
>>
>> [wr]
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


[wr]

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project manager
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Will Ross]

bhaskar,

do you think the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" archive will be too large to  
post as a file at yahoogroups "openhealth"

[wr]

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On Mar 29, 2006, at 1:34 AM, Tim.Churches wrote:

> Brian Bray wrote:
>> Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every
>> sense of the word) I've received from many others.
>>
>> Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at
>> minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to
>> keep this incredible community conversation going.
>>
>> I have no intention of fixing the "old list." Having two lists is
>> confusing and creates the appearance of division where none exists.
>> Accordingly, I'll be closing down the openhealth mailing list on the
>> minoru site in about a week.
>
> Are there any archives of the old list which need to be preserved for
> posterity? Are they all available elsewhere? If not, I am sure Horst
> herb would be happy to host teh archives on his servers.
>
> Tim C
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


[wr]

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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Bhaskar, KS]

Will --

Any member of the list can post a compressed archive of the mails in the
Files area of http://yahoogroups.com/group/openhealth (in a
non-proprietary format, of course!), but we have a limit of 20MB.  How
big would an archive be?

-- Bhaskar

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 06:42 -0600, Will Ross wrote:
> bhaskar,
> 
> do you think the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" archive will be too large to   
> post as a file at yahoogroups "openhealth"
> 
> [wr]


 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Tim.Churches]

Brian Bray wrote:
> Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every
> sense of the word) I've received from many others.
> 
> Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at
> minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to
> keep this incredible community conversation going.
> 
> I have no intention of fixing the "old list." Having two lists is
> confusing and creates the appearance of division where none exists.
> Accordingly, I'll be closing down the openhealth mailing list on the
> minoru site in about a week.

Are there any archives of the old list which need to be preserved for
posterity? Are they all available elsewhere? If not, I am sure Horst
herb would be happy to host teh archives on his servers.

Tim C


 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Bhaskar, KS]

Thank you, Brian.  I look forward to your ongoing active contribution to
and participation in this list and the Free / Open Source Softwar
healthcare community.

Regards
-- Bhaskar

On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 19:45 -0600, Brian Bray wrote:
> Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every  
> sense of the word) I've received from many others.
> 
> Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at  
> minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to  
> keep this incredible community conversation going.
> 
> I have no intention of fixing the "old list." Having two lists is  
> confusing and creates the appearance of division where none exists.  
> Accordingly, I'll be closing down the openhealth mailing list on the  
> minoru site in about a week. For those who have not already joined
> the  
> Yahoo list, please do so now. There is no need to unsubscribe from
> the  
> minoru list, as it will be deleted. You will not be transfered to
> Yahoo  
> unless you indicate that you want this by joining at  
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ .  
> 
> 
> As for the "trademark" issue, my apologies to the group for
> forgetting  
> "Why I'm here." Openhealth is the name of a conversation and a  
> community. I'll work to be more consistent about this.
> 
> -Brian


 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Brian Bray]

Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every 
sense of the word) I've received from many others.

Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at 
minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to 
keep this incredible community conversation going.

I have no intention of fixing the "old list." Having two lists is 
confusing and creates the appearance of division where none exists. 
Accordingly, I'll be closing down the openhealth mailing list on the 
minoru site in about a week. For those who have not already joined the 
Yahoo list, please do so now. There is no need to unsubscribe from the 
minoru list, as it will be deleted. You will not be transfered to Yahoo 
unless you indicate that you want this by joining at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ . 


As for the "trademark" issue, my apologies to the group for forgetting 
"Why I'm here." Openhealth is the name of a conversation and a 
community. I'll work to be more consistent about this.

-Brian

Bhaskar, KS wrote:
> First, I would like to welcome Brian back to the community. Having met
> him only once, and never having collaborated with him, as a newcomer to
> the open source healthcare community, I don't know him as well as I
> perhaps should. But it is always good to have an early active member in
> a field return to active participation. So, welcome back!
>
> I am also very encouraged by the discussion about resurrecting OSHCA. I
> think it was an important organization. [I do wonder, however, given
> the subtle changes in language over the last few years, whether FOSSHCA
> or FLOSSHCA might not be better names to use today...]
>
> I was the one that originally created the openhealth mailing list on
> Yahoogroups, and my "light a candle vs. curse the darkness" motivation
> for doing it is discussed in my post (copied below) announcing the list.
>
> In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the free
> and open source software for healthcare community. One suggestion I
> would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups. Yes,
> we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be
> responsible for things like the list below for a server that will sit on
> the Internet:
>
> 1. Backups.
> 2. Indexing and searching.
> 3. Anti-virus and spam filtering.
> 4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches.
> 5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations.
>
> I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a server
> that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was
> very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it.
>
> Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising
> appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than
> HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous).
> All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the
> group.
>
> We already have several moderators from the community who are members of
> the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other
> moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to serve.
> I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve
> the community as moderator.
>
> My two bits' worth: let us focus on building the new OSHCA / FOSSHCA /
> FLOSSHCA community, web page, portal, etc., and leave the mailing list
> where it is.
>
> Regards
> -- Bhaskar
>
> > --
> > Background / motivation: A couple of months ago, as a result of an
> > e-mail server consolidation following a corporate acquisition, my e-mail
> > address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This
> > of course meant that I could not post to the openhealth list, since
> > posting is restricted to members. I have tried a couple of times to
> > subscribe with my new e-mail address, but my attempts went into the bit
> > bucket. This has meant that although I can read posts - e-mail sent to
> > the old address is forwarded to the new one - I cannot post and
> > participate in discussions.
> >
> > Under the theory that it is better to light a candle than to curse the
> > darkness, I have created a mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Yahoo Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com)  
> is a robust place for mailing
> > lists and electronic communities, including a file repository,
> > searchable web-accessible message archive, online chat, etc.
> >
> > If you would like to join, please send me e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I will send you an invitation from Yahoo
> > Groups. If you click on a link in that e-mail invitation, or reply to
> > the e-mail, you will be subscribed to the group. Alternatively, go to
> > http://groups.yahoo.com and search for openhealth. Ask to join the
> > group, and I will get a message asking to approve 

Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Will Ross]

On Mar 18, 2006, at 3:40 AM, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

>> "Bhaskar, KS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I thought that we have to rename this list as the "openhealth list  
>> " belongs to Minoru? If it is possible to rename this list as you  
>> suggest FLOSSHCA LIST without disrupting things too much we can go  
>> on too.
>
>  However Brian and Molly do not seem to want the yahoo group  
> hosting to proceed.
>
>  I do hope that we do not split the list as a result of this.
>
>  Nandalal

I also hope that we can proceed towards collaborative goals.   I  
notice that without any announcement to this list, Minoru changed the  
link on their Openhealth(TM) page from the old list

   http://www.mail-archive.com/openhealth-list@minoru-development.com

to the new list

   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/

The page in question is here:

   http://www.minoru-development.com/en/healthcare.html

IANAL, but my logical interpretation of this event is that it will be  
difficult for Minoru to assert a trademark claim in favor of the  
"Openhealth (TM)" list if their website is directing traffic to the  
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" list.

I also hope that by changing the link from the old list to the new  
list we can now turn our attention to the reanimation of OSCHA and  
the logistics of our next meeting.

[wr]

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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Thomas Beale]

On the topic of names for the orgnaisation, I suggest that we stick with 
"OSHCA" - easy to say, has been around for years, everyone here knows 
(more or less) what it stands for; there is no need in my opinion to 
fall into the trap of trying to put the definition of the thing into the 
name...

- thomas beale

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
>
>
> "Bhaskar, KS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought that we have to rename this list as the "openhealth list " 
> belongs to Minoru? If it is possible to rename this list as you 
> suggest FLOSSHCA LIST without disrupting things too much we can go on 
> too.
>
> However Bruian and Molly do not seem to want the yahoo group hosting 
> to proceed.
>
> I do hope that we do not split the list as a result of this.
>
> Nandalal
>   First, I would like to welcome Brian back to the community.  
> Having met
> him only once, and never having collaborated with him, as a newcomer to
> the open source healthcare community, I don't know him as well as I
> perhaps should.  But it is always good to have an early active member in
> a field return to active participation.  So, welcome back!
>
> I am also very encouraged by the discussion about resurrecting OSHCA.  I
> think it was an important organization.  [I do wonder, however, given
> the subtle changes in language over the last few years, whether FOSSHCA
> or FLOSSHCA might not be better names to use today...]
>
> I was the one that originally created the openhealth mailing list on
> Yahoogroups, and my "light a candle vs. curse the darkness" motivation
> for doing it is discussed in my post (copied below) announcing the list.
>
> In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the free
> and open source software for healthcare community.  One suggestion I
> would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups.  Yes,
> we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be
> responsible for things like the list below for a server that will sit on
> the Internet:
>
> 1. Backups.
> 2. Indexing and searching.
> 3. Anti-virus and spam filtering.
> 4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches.
> 5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations.
>
> I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a server
> that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was
> very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it.
>
> Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising
> appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than
> HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous).
> All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the
> group.
>
> We already have several moderators from the community who are members of
> the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other
> moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to serve.
> I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve
> the community as moderator.
>
> My two bits' worth: let us focus on building the new OSHCA / FOSSHCA /
> FLOSSHCA community, web page, portal, etc., and leave the mailing list
> where it is.
>
> Regards
> -- Bhaskar
>
> > --
> > Background / motivation: A couple of months ago, as a result of an
> > e-mail server consolidation following a corporate acquisition, my e-mail
> > address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  This
> > of course meant that I could not post to the openhealth list, since
> > posting is restricted to members.  I have tried a couple of times to
> > subscribe with my new e-mail address, but my attempts went into the bit
> > bucket.  This has meant that although I can read posts - e-mail sent to
> > the old address is forwarded to the new one - I cannot post and
> > participate in discussions.
> >
> > Under the theory that it is better to light a candle than to curse the
> > darkness, I have created a mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Yahoo Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com)  
> is a robust place for mailing
> > lists and electronic communities, including a file repository,
> > searchable web-accessible message archive, online chat, etc.
> >
> > If you would like to join, please send me e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I will send you an invitation from Yahoo
> > Groups.  If you click on a link in that e-mail invitation, or reply to
> > the e-mail, you will be subscribed to the group.  Alternatively, go to
> > http://groups.yahoo.com and search for openhealth.  Ask to join the
> > group, and I will get a message asking to approve your application to
> > join.  In an attempt to keep e-mail harvesters off the list, I have
> > created the group requiring administrator approval to join.  However, I
> > will otherwise approve all requests to join.
> >
> > An e-mail address suffices to get e-mail posts from the distribution
>

Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Nandalal Gunaratne]

"Bhaskar, KS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
 I thought that we have to rename this list as the "openhealth list " belongs 
to Minoru? If it is possible to rename this list as you suggest FLOSSHCA LIST 
without disrupting things too much we can go on too. 
 
 However Bruian and Molly do not seem to want the yahoo group hosting to 
proceed.
 
 I do hope that we do not split the list as a result of this.
 
 Nandalal
  First, I would like to welcome Brian back to the community.  Having met
 him only once, and never having collaborated with him, as a newcomer to
 the open source healthcare community, I don't know him as well as I
 perhaps should.  But it is always good to have an early active member in
 a field return to active participation.  So, welcome back!
 
 I am also very encouraged by the discussion about resurrecting OSHCA.  I
 think it was an important organization.  [I do wonder, however, given
 the subtle changes in language over the last few years, whether FOSSHCA
 or FLOSSHCA might not be better names to use today...]
 
 I was the one that originally created the openhealth mailing list on
 Yahoogroups, and my "light a candle vs. curse the darkness" motivation
 for doing it is discussed in my post (copied below) announcing the list.
 
 In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the free
 and open source software for healthcare community.  One suggestion I
 would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups.  Yes,
 we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be
 responsible for things like the list below for a server that will sit on
 the Internet:
 
 1. Backups.
 2. Indexing and searching.
 3. Anti-virus and spam filtering.
 4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches.
 5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations.
 
 I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a server
 that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was
 very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it.
 
 Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising
 appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than
 HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous).
 All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the
 group.
 
 We already have several moderators from the community who are members of
 the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other
 moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to serve.
 I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve
 the community as moderator.
 
 My two bits' worth: let us focus on building the new OSHCA / FOSSHCA /
 FLOSSHCA community, web page, portal, etc., and leave the mailing list
 where it is.
 
 Regards
 -- Bhaskar
 
 > --
 > Background / motivation: A couple of months ago, as a result of an
 > e-mail server consolidation following a corporate acquisition, my e-mail
 > address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  This
 > of course meant that I could not post to the openhealth list, since
 > posting is restricted to members.  I have tried a couple of times to
 > subscribe with my new e-mail address, but my attempts went into the bit
 > bucket.  This has meant that although I can read posts - e-mail sent to
 > the old address is forwarded to the new one - I cannot post and
 > participate in discussions.
 > 
 > Under the theory that it is better to light a candle than to curse the
 > darkness, I have created a mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Yahoo Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) is a robust place for mailing
 > lists and electronic communities, including a file repository,
 > searchable web-accessible message archive, online chat, etc.
 > 
 > If you would like to join, please send me e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I will send you an invitation from Yahoo
 > Groups.  If you click on a link in that e-mail invitation, or reply to
 > the e-mail, you will be subscribed to the group.  Alternatively, go to
 > http://groups.yahoo.com and search for openhealth.  Ask to join the
 > group, and I will get a message asking to approve your application to
 > join.  In an attempt to keep e-mail harvesters off the list, I have
 > created the group requiring administrator approval to join.  However, I
 > will otherwise approve all requests to join.
 > 
 > An e-mail address suffices to get e-mail posts from the distribution
 > list.  A Yahoo id is required for access to the online features.
 > 
 > Other volunteers to help administer the list are sought.  Thank you very
 > much.
 > 
 > -- Bhaskar
 > --
 

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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[David Forslund]

I second Will Ross position and Bhaskar's recommendation.   The 
yahoogroups email is working fine as
far as I can see.   I think it was problems with the other list that had 
caused some trouble in the past.  Let's
put this behind us and move forward.

Dave Forslund
Will Ross wrote:
> I agree with Bhaskar's proposal.   The openhealth@yahoogroups.com 
> list is not broken, so there is no need to "fix" it.   Rather than 
> dissipate community resources in an unnecessary technology migration 
> task, let's concentrate instead on the governance and planning tasks 
> needed for a cohesive re-launch of OSHCA.
>
> [wr]
>
> - - - - - - - -
>
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Peter Holt Hoffman wrote:
>
> > I agree with Bhaskar for all the reasons he enumerated in his email 
> > below (I
> > edited it to just the relevant portion).  I would also like to take 
> > this
> > opportunity to thank him for having started this group.
> >
> > -- Peter.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: openhealth@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Bhaskar, KS
> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:32 AM
> > To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
> > 
> >
> > In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the 
> > free
> > and open source software for healthcare community.  One suggestion I
> > would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups.  Yes,
> > we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be
> > responsible for things like the list below for a server that will 
> > sit on
> > the Internet:
> >
> > 1. Backups.
> > 2. Indexing and searching.
> > 3. Anti-virus and spam filtering.
> > 4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches.
> > 5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations.
> >
> > I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a 
> > server
> > that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was
> > very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it.
> >
> > Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising
> > appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than
> > HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous).
> > All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the
> > group.
> >
> > We already have several moderators from the community who are 
> > members of
> > the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other
> > moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to 
> > serve.
> > I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve
> > the community as moderator.
> > 
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [wr]
>
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Tim.Churches]

Will Ross wrote:
> I agree with Bhaskar's proposal.   The openhealth@yahoogroups.com 
> list is not broken, so there is no need to "fix" it.   Rather than 
> dissipate community resources in an unnecessary technology migration 
> task, let's concentrate instead on the governance and planning tasks 
> needed for a cohesive re-launch of OSHCA.

OK, no problem. However, Horst's kind offer stands in case OSHCA does
ever need a server.

Tim C

> On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Peter Holt Hoffman wrote:
> 
>  > I agree with Bhaskar for all the reasons he enumerated in his email 
>  > below (I
>  > edited it to just the relevant portion).  I would also like to take 
>  > this
>  > opportunity to thank him for having started this group.
>  >
>  > -- Peter.
>  >
>  >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: openhealth@yahoogroups.com 
>  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  > Behalf Of Bhaskar, KS
>  > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:32 AM
>  > To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
>  > 
>  >
>  > In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the 
>  > free
>  > and open source software for healthcare community.  One suggestion I
>  > would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups.  Yes,
>  > we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be
>  > responsible for things like the list below for a server that will 
>  > sit on
>  > the Internet:
>  >
>  > 1. Backups.
>  > 2. Indexing and searching.
>  > 3. Anti-virus and spam filtering.
>  > 4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches.
>  > 5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations.
>  >
>  > I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a 
>  > server
>  > that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was
>  > very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it.
>  >
>  > Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising
>  > appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than
>  > HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous).
>  > All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the
>  > group.
>  >
>  > We already have several moderators from the community who are 
>  > members of
>  > the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other
>  > moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to 
>  > serve.
>  > I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve
>  > the community as moderator.
>  > 
>  >
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
> 
> 
> [wr]
> 
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> 707.462.5015 [fax]
> www.minformatics.com
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Will Ross]

I agree with Bhaskar's proposal.   The openhealth@yahoogroups.com  
list is not broken, so there is no need to "fix" it.   Rather than  
dissipate community resources in an unnecessary technology migration  
task, let's concentrate instead on the governance and planning tasks  
needed for a cohesive re-launch of OSHCA.

[wr]

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On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Peter Holt Hoffman wrote:

> I agree with Bhaskar for all the reasons he enumerated in his email  
> below (I
> edited it to just the relevant portion).  I would also like to take  
> this
> opportunity to thank him for having started this group.
>
> -- Peter.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: openhealth@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Bhaskar, KS
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:32 AM
> To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
> 
>
> In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the  
> free
> and open source software for healthcare community.  One suggestion I
> would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups.  Yes,
> we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be
> responsible for things like the list below for a server that will  
> sit on
> the Internet:
>
> 1. Backups.
> 2. Indexing and searching.
> 3. Anti-virus and spam filtering.
> 4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches.
> 5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations.
>
> I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a  
> server
> that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was
> very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it.
>
> Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising
> appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than
> HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous).
> All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the
> group.
>
> We already have several moderators from the community who are  
> members of
> the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other
> moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to  
> serve.
> I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve
> the community as moderator.
> 
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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RE: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Peter Holt Hoffman]

I agree with Bhaskar for all the reasons he enumerated in his email below (I
edited it to just the relevant portion).  I would also like to take this
opportunity to thank him for having started this group.
 
-- Peter.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: openhealth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bhaskar, KS
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:32 AM
To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
 

In my role as moderator, I see myself as serving the wishes of the free
and open source software for healthcare community.  One suggestion I
would make, however, is simply to leave the list at Yahoogroups.  Yes,
we can create our own list on our own server, but then we would be
responsible for things like the list below for a server that will sit on
the Internet:

1. Backups.
2. Indexing and searching.
3. Anti-virus and spam filtering.
4. Security, including keeping up to date with patches.
5. Network access, bandwidth, data center operations.

I recently had an opportunity to observe the need to respond to a server
that was found to have the t0rn root kit installed on it, and it was
very disruptive on the lives of those who managed it.

Yahoogroups does all of this for us, and the price is some advertising
appended to each message (and if you opt for text messages rather than
HTML messages, the advertising is at the bottom and quite innocuous).
All the group moderators have to do is to approve requests to join the
group.

We already have several moderators from the community who are members of
the group, and there is redundancy should I, or any of the other
moderators, have something untoward happen to us and be unable to serve.
I am also happy to accept others who would like to volunteer to serve
the community as moderator.
 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



 
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