Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] User management tools for OI_151a?
I tried napp-it, and I get several problems: Can you comment? I will of course write to napp-it.org as well. Two problems that seem to partly defeat it's usefulness for a small installation are: 1. There's a live monitoring facility, it seems, using websockets. It claims there's no websocket support in my browser, Firefox 9.01. I have enabled websockets in the config page, but napp-it still claims it isn't there. I don't know, really, but I think websockets supposedly work in firefox. 2. ZFS folders gives no info, just headers. This supposedly displays info from like zfs list -o I suppose? Seems non-functional. Even if these two won't work, it could still be useful for a very large installation, due e g to the pool mgmt stuff, and creating folders and stuff. On 2012-01-18 03:48, openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:03:59 -0500 From: Robbie Crashsardonic.smi...@gmail.com To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] User management tools for OI_151a? Message-ID: CAPVmm=ao7va42j1tsyetcwcypg_9wmk2hytum3rvsapnqg8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi I'm new. Napp-it:www.napp-it.org Offers most of what you're looking for and is clear enough that us 'Microsoft people' can figure out what to do without breaking things. It's obviously not as powerful as access via shell, but it does make creating automatic snapshot jobs much more simple. ZFS share config and overall usage is there, and clear. Not sure if you can create arrays, as I have no spare disks with which to test, but pool creation and basic management is present. It also saved me a bunch of time after a motherboard died and I had to rebuild my fileserver. Installing and configuring netatalk with it was a lot quicker than doing it the manual way, and got everything working just the same. It's by no means as full featured as webmin, but it can do about 75% of the stuff I've wanted it to do. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] User management tools for OI_151a?
One small remark regarding napp-it, when you have 1 Harddisk then it is most certainly completely occupied by the OI installation. To use napp-it you need to add at least one new (empty) harddisk so it can claim it for ZFS/Zpool. You could use a free slice on the first harddisk but I wouldn't recommend that. I had the same problem with napp-it, that it couldn't show me any ZFS info or ZFS creation menu's, but when I added new harddisks it works great. At which menu do you get the websocket error? I would like to check it on my newly installed napp-it installation and see what message I get with firefox. -Original Message- From: Hans J. Albertsson [mailto:hans.j.alberts...@branneriet.se] Sent: woensdag 18 januari 2012 9:13 To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] User management tools for OI_151a? I tried napp-it, and I get several problems: Can you comment? I will of course write to napp-it.org as well. Two problems that seem to partly defeat it's usefulness for a small installation are: 1. There's a live monitoring facility, it seems, using websockets. It claims there's no websocket support in my browser, Firefox 9.01. I have enabled websockets in the config page, but napp-it still claims it isn't there. I don't know, really, but I think websockets supposedly work in firefox. 2. ZFS folders gives no info, just headers. This supposedly displays info from like zfs list -o I suppose? Seems non-functional. Even if these two won't work, it could still be useful for a very large installation, due e g to the pool mgmt stuff, and creating folders and stuff. On 2012-01-18 03:48, openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:03:59 -0500 From: Robbie Crashsardonic.smi...@gmail.com To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] User management tools for OI_151a? Message-ID: CAPVmm=ao7va42j1tsyetcwcypg_9wmk2hytum3rvsapnqg8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi I'm new. Napp-it:www.napp-it.org Offers most of what you're looking for and is clear enough that us 'Microsoft people' can figure out what to do without breaking things. It's obviously not as powerful as access via shell, but it does make creating automatic snapshot jobs much more simple. ZFS share config and overall usage is there, and clear. Not sure if you can create arrays, as I have no spare disks with which to test, but pool creation and basic management is present. It also saved me a bunch of time after a motherboard died and I had to rebuild my fileserver. Installing and configuring netatalk with it was a lot quicker than doing it the manual way, and got everything working just the same. It's by no means as full featured as webmin, but it can do about 75% of the stuff I've wanted it to do. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] test
-ikel -Original Message- From: Heiko Wuest [mailto:he...@wuest.de] Sent: woensdag 18 januari 2012 9:53 To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] test ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] User management tools for OI_151a?
The websocket error is when connecting to the live monitor, at https://localhost:3000 Günter Alka told me that the zfs info should reappear on reloading, but it doesn't. He also pointed me to a home page that purports to list all versions of web browsers and their support level for websockets. That list claims firefox 9.0 should support websockets, but the testing function at the same page clearly reports my firefox doesn't support it at all. Given that my installation is very small, diskwise, but will use replication via zfs send/recv between two servers, if napp-it worked well I could use it to enable others in the support group to manage the systems. As things stand I daren't On 2012-01-18 10:59, openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org wrote: Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:59:22 +0100 From: Open Indianaopenindi...@out-side.nl To: 'Discussion list for OpenIndiana' openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] User management tools for OI_151a? Message-ID:00a301ccd5c7$da7990f0$8f6cb2d0$@nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One small remark regarding napp-it, when you have 1 Harddisk then it is most certainly completely occupied by the OI installation. To use napp-it you need to add at least one new (empty) harddisk so it can claim it for ZFS/Zpool. You could use a free slice on the first harddisk but I wouldn't recommend that. I had the same problem with napp-it, that it couldn't show me any ZFS info or ZFS creation menu's, but when I added new harddisks it works great. At which menu do you get the websocket error? I would like to check it on my newly installed napp-it installation and see what message I get with firefox. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ZFS Encryption for MySQL data store
I'd like to get a better understanding (or have someone correct me where I'm wrong) about using ZFS encryption for a particular zfs filesystem. The idea is to create a zfs file system for a MySQL database to use to store its datafiles since the database contains potentially sensitive information. The server we would do this on already has several zfs filesystems used for other purposes. So if I create a new filesystem, and set encryption to on, these are the caveats as I understand them: 1. I can snapshot and zfs send | zfs receive to a separate physical backup server for archival storage, and as long as the receiving file system is also set to encryption=on, the replicated data would remain encrypted with the same passphrase 2. In order for the server to mount this filesystem on boot, someone would need to be available to enter the passphrase - otherwise the file system would remain unmounted, meaning MySQL could not use it Are these two things correct? If so, is there a better solution for Item #2, such that remotely rebooting the server would allow MySQL to start and be able to use the file system? I don't know the answer to your question, but ZFS on OI does not yet have support for encryption, unless your question is about Oracle Solaris 11. -- Fini D. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] CIFS server on oi_148
If you run Samba, then smb.conf is where you configure this stuff. The native (in-kernel) SMB server ignores smb.conf On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Martin Frost m...@cs.stanford.edu wrote: Ah, that's interesting, though it means I would have to log into each share from Windows. I'm the administrator and not a Windows user (Linux, Mac, OI user). Really no one uses an smb.conf file? Martin ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
I am looking for a USB drive that behaves properly with OpenIndiana. Currently I have a 2TB Seagate GoFlex Desk USB 3.0 drive. But it seems to exhibit a problem with spontaneously detaching and reattaching to the host similar to what i saw with some Seagate drives on Linux a couple years ago. This isn't exclusive to OI, it does the same thing on Mac OS. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
On 01/18/2012 12:25 PM, Ron Parker wrote: I am looking for a USB drive that behaves properly with OpenIndiana. Currently I have a 2TB Seagate GoFlex Desk USB 3.0 drive. But it seems to exhibit a problem with spontaneously detaching and reattaching to the host similar to what i saw with some Seagate drives on Linux a couple years ago. This isn't exclusive to OI, it does the same thing on Mac OS. Funny you should ask, I'm seeing the same kinds of behavior after upgrading to 151 with an 8 slot USB 3 array. Are we sure it's the hardware and not something in the USB driver? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012, Andrey N. Oktyabrski wrote: So I use pkgsrc's openssh. Are you using NetBSD's pkgsrc from scratch? Like this? http://wiki-static.aydogan.net/How_to_use_pkgsrc_on_Solaris Would you be so kind as to share the methods to your madness? :) Also, is Solaris Studio 12u1 still the recommended compiler for OI? Or should I be looking at one of these instead? http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Compiler+Migration -Gary ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ray Arachelian r...@arachelian.com wrote: On 01/18/2012 12:25 PM, Ron Parker wrote: I am looking for a USB drive that behaves properly with OpenIndiana. Currently I have a 2TB Seagate GoFlex Desk USB 3.0 drive. Funny you should ask, I'm seeing the same kinds of behavior after upgrading to 151 with an 8 slot USB 3 array. Are we sure it's the hardware and not something in the USB driver? My host is USB 2 only. So at the very least I don't think its USB-3 driver specific. Also I am seeing the same on Mac OS X Lion which may be related or not. I do recall Seagate previously having some suspend-wake-up logic that was peculiar to their Windows driver. On Linux the work around was to not disable the drive going to sleep until the proper quirks were entered into the Linux driver. In the LKML world quirks is a technical term/term of art. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
Same problem here. Pain in the rear. On 01/18/12 12:43 PM, Ray Arachelian wrote: On 01/18/2012 12:25 PM, Ron Parker wrote: I am looking for a USB drive that behaves properly with OpenIndiana. Currently I have a 2TB Seagate GoFlex Desk USB 3.0 drive. But it seems to exhibit a problem with spontaneously detaching and reattaching to the host similar to what i saw with some Seagate drives on Linux a couple years ago. This isn't exclusive to OI, it does the same thing on Mac OS. Funny you should ask, I'm seeing the same kinds of behavior after upgrading to 151 with an 8 slot USB 3 array. Are we sure it's the hardware and not something in the USB driver? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
I know it's Solaris 10, not OI, but we recently took all our arrays of USB external disks and inserted then as SATA disks inside DELL servers because we were getting fed up of USB errors ... my boss is able to sleep again now. we no longer trust USB as a permanent solution (although it works well enough for temporary transport of data/snapshots) Jon On 18 January 2012 17:51, Daniel Kjar dk...@elmira.edu wrote: Same problem here. Pain in the rear. On 01/18/12 12:43 PM, Ray Arachelian wrote: On 01/18/2012 12:25 PM, Ron Parker wrote: I am looking for a USB drive that behaves properly with OpenIndiana. Currently I have a 2TB Seagate GoFlex Desk USB 3.0 drive. But it seems to exhibit a problem with spontaneously detaching and reattaching to the host similar to what i saw with some Seagate drives on Linux a couple years ago. This isn't exclusive to OI, it does the same thing on Mac OS. Funny you should ask, I'm seeing the same kinds of behavior after upgrading to 151 with an 8 slot USB 3 array. Are we sure it's the hardware and not something in the USB driver? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
FWIW I've been using a 320 GB Maxtor USB disk to sneaker net data from OI to Solaris 10 for 5-6 months w/o any problems. It works fine connected for long periods to either system. If the drive goes to sleep it takes a moment to get a response, but no actual problems. I did run into problems on 10 w/ a 1.5 TB Seagate USB drive which the system simply refused to recognize even existed. I wound up using it to archive a Windows system, so I've never tried it w/ OI. Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 09:49 -0800, Gary wrote: Also, is Solaris Studio 12u1 still the recommended compiler for OI? Or should I be looking at one of these instead? http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Compiler+Migration There's a long term program for OI to switch to gcc, for building both the Illumos kernel and for the rest of OI. But it is in its early stages; none of those compilers, other than gcc-3, is even in a core OI IPS repository (gcc and clang are in the oi-sfe repo, however). The reason for the migration is that Sun Studio is closed source, and the Illumos and OI projects have no influence over it. You might consider using Sun Studio 12.2 or 12.3 instead of 12u1. You're probably better off still using Sun Studio to build drivers, since Illumos itself is still built with Sun Studio. Regards, Alex ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
I have a 4 disk external box with both sata2 and usb. When attached by usb the whole thing dropped after a little while, sata2 works perfectly fine (except my sata card will only see one disk ). So I know it is not the drive but the USB that causes the drop. this is with a 2 tb seagate On 01/18/12 01:56 PM, Reginald Beardsley wrote: FWIW I've been using a 320 GB Maxtor USB disk to sneaker net data from OI to Solaris 10 for 5-6 months w/o any problems. It works fine connected for long periods to either system. If the drive goes to sleep it takes a moment to get a response, but no actual problems. I did run into problems on 10 w/ a 1.5 TB Seagate USB drive which the system simply refused to recognize even existed. I wound up using it to archive a Windows system, so I've never tried it w/ OI. Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
Hi James, James Carlson píše v út 17. 01. 2012 v 13:06 -0500: Gregory Youngblood wrote: I was looking into swapping out the ssh that comes with oi151a with openssh 5.9. I already looked in SFE and didn't see openssh, unless I missed it. I pulled the source and it seems to compile OK, though without tcp wrappers, PAM, etc. The first pass was more to see what would happen before spending any real time on it. Before going further, I was wondering if anyone else has done this and whether they have any tips, instructions, or insights. Why would you want to do that ... ? It might help in getting useful responses if you described what you were hoping to accomplish by replacing that component. For what it's worth, the ssh that comes with OpenIndiana is well integrated with the existing OS features and performs decently. You may end up replicating the hard work the Sun ssh team did getting it integrated. in long term you will need to do the switch anyway as it is unlikely somebody will dedicate full-time taking care about improvements and also sync with OpenSSH forever as SUN did. Otherwise IllumosSSH will loose contact with the latest versions. It would be much better to identify the needed parts and deliver them as patch on top of OpenSSH releases. Best regards, Milan ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
I concluded it's a size related problem for USB disk. I've never had problems w/ USB disks 1 TB and smaller. (at least that weren't self inflicted ;-) I bought a 4 disk eSATA box to get around this and also to allow using some drives I have sitting around. Naturally, I too ran into the port multiplexer problem :-( --- On Wed, 1/18/12, Daniel Kjar dk...@elmira.edu wrote: From: Daniel Kjar dk...@elmira.edu Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 1:38 PM I have a 4 disk external box with both sata2 and usb. When attached by usb the whole thing dropped after a little while, sata2 works perfectly fine (except my sata card will only see one disk ). So I know it is not the drive but the USB that causes the drop. this is with a 2 tb seagate On 01/18/12 01:56 PM, Reginald Beardsley wrote: FWIW I've been using a 320 GB Maxtor USB disk to sneaker net data from OI to Solaris 10 for 5-6 months w/o any problems. It works fine connected for long periods to either system. If the drive goes to sleep it takes a moment to get a response, but no actual problems. I did run into problems on 10 w/ a 1.5 TB Seagate USB drive which the system simply refused to recognize even existed. I wound up using it to archive a Windows system, so I've never tried it w/ OI. Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
On 01/18/2012 12:51 PM, Ron Parker wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ray Arachelian r...@arachelian.com wrote: Funny you should ask, I'm seeing the same kinds of behavior after upgrading to 151 with an 8 slot USB 3 array. Are we sure it's the hardware and not something in the USB driver? My host is USB 2 only. So at the very least I don't think its USB-3 driver specific. Also I am seeing the same on Mac OS X Lion which may be related or not. I do recall Seagate previously having some suspend-wake-up logic that was peculiar to their Windows driver. On Linux the work around was to not disable the drive going to sleep until the proper quirks were entered into the Linux driver. In the LKML world quirks is a technical term/term of art. __ To clarify the USB3 enclosure connects to an oi151 host that only has USB 2.0 ports. I bought a 3.0 capable enclosure in anticipation of future upgrades. That said, does anyone know of a USB 3.0 controller that is known to work with oi151? :) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
On 01/18/12 09:43, Ray Arachelian wrote: Funny you should ask, I'm seeing the same kinds of behavior after upgrading to 151 with an 8 slot USB 3 array. Are we sure it's the hardware and not something in the USB driver? You're not the only one. I've been seeing sporadic hangs of I/O to a USB2-connected external disk enclosure connected to a newly-built system (supermicro workstation motherboard with a westmere xeon) running oi151. It was stable when connected to a different motherboard (dual-core opteron), but I've retired that system. I haven't had a chance to dig into it further -- it's only happened two or three times in about two months, and when it happens it also clobbers keyboard mouse. - Bill ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
Milan Jurik wrote: in long term you will need to do the switch anyway as it is unlikely somebody will dedicate full-time taking care about improvements and also sync with OpenSSH forever as SUN did. Otherwise IllumosSSH will loose contact with the latest versions. I think that's actually a deeper issue, because it doesn't just apply to the intentionally-forked SSH implementation, but rather to all of the Illumos source. The parts that aren't owned by someone and actively maintained may have trouble. I don't see with SSH would be special in this regard. It would be much better to identify the needed parts and deliver them as patch on top of OpenSSH releases. That's probably a bit easier said than done. The original Sun SSH team intentionally forked the source because there were substantial high-level design differences, particularly in the area of privilege separation. Meaningful source patches for this sort of thing are probably at least as hard to manage as are the sources themselves -- meaning that I believe you'd have no real benefit to keeping diffs instead. -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W carls...@workingcode.com ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Bill Sommerfeld sommerf...@alum.mit.edu wrote: I haven't had a chance to dig into it further -- it's only happened two or three times in about two months, and when it happens it also clobbers keyboard mouse. And now that you mention it, there are times on booting when my keyboard a Kinesis Advantage Pro and what's chained off of it do not come up when I boot the system. I have to replug them. When this happens all the lights on the keyboard remain lit instead of just flashing twice like it normally does. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
James, James Carlson píše v st 18. 01. 2012 v 15:27 -0500: Milan Jurik wrote: in long term you will need to do the switch anyway as it is unlikely somebody will dedicate full-time taking care about improvements and also sync with OpenSSH forever as SUN did. Otherwise IllumosSSH will loose contact with the latest versions. I think that's actually a deeper issue, because it doesn't just apply to the intentionally-forked SSH implementation, but rather to all of the Illumos source. The parts that aren't owned by someone and actively maintained may have trouble. I don't see with SSH would be special in this regard. in some way yes, it is because it represents key remote security access to the systems and very frequently used, so leaving it in limbo or only somehow maintained is not the best way. And we know there is nearly the same component, the upstream in reality, available. It would be much better to identify the needed parts and deliver them as patch on top of OpenSSH releases. That's probably a bit easier said than done. The original Sun SSH team intentionally forked the source because there were substantial high-level design differences, particularly in the area of privilege separation. Meaningful source patches for this sort of thing are probably at least as hard to manage as are the sources themselves -- meaning that I believe you'd have no real benefit to keeping diffs instead. The question is if the work done for Solaris 9 is so crucial even today. Additionally many things changed in cooperation of both sides, many things were merged. Will such fork have so crucial and deep in design advantages these days? Best regards, Milan ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
I have had usb ports hang till reboot as well. If I plug a drive into one and try to unmount it I can't and when I try to attach something else to that port it is no longer recognized. I just work through all of the usb ports on my ultra20 and then reboot when I run out. On 01/18/12 03:32 PM, Ron Parker wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Bill Sommerfeld sommerf...@alum.mit.edu wrote: I haven't had a chance to dig into it further -- it's only happened two or three times in about two months, and when it happens it also clobbers keyboard mouse. And now that you mention it, there are times on booting when my keyboard a Kinesis Advantage Pro and what's chained off of it do not come up when I boot the system. I have to replug them. When this happens all the lights on the keyboard remain lit instead of just flashing twice like it normally does. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
Milan Jurik wrote: The question is if the work done for Solaris 9 is so crucial even today. Additionally many things changed in cooperation of both sides, many things were merged. Will such fork have so crucial and deep in design advantages these days? Done for Solaris 9? Wow, I think that substantially disparages the work that the Sun SSH team did in Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris. I hope some of those folks are on the list and can respond appropriately. I wasn't a member of that team, but I was there at Sun when the discussions of why forking was necessary occurred, and the issues were (and are) not trivial. But, hey, it's your system. Install anything you want on it. Much luck. -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W carls...@workingcode.com ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 03:27:04PM -0500, James Carlson wrote: Milan Jurik wrote: It would be much better to identify the needed parts and deliver them as patch on top of OpenSSH releases. That's probably a bit easier said than done. The original Sun SSH team intentionally forked the source because there were substantial high-level design differences, particularly in the area of privilege separation. Even better would be to feed the Sun changes into the upstream ssh repository. There must be solid reasons why these changes exist. Maybe they would be useful on other platforms as well. -- -Gary Mills--refurb--Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
Thank you. that is/was the jist of my post. Why do the changes exist? And are they still necessary? Can the changes be integrated into current 5.9 code? The fact that some people seem to get defensive when the existing code is questioned leads me to believe that there is a larger picture that is not being seen. Jerry On 01/18/12 04:08 PM, Gary Mills wrote: There must be solid reasons why these changes exist. Maybe they would be useful on other platforms as well. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
On 01/18/12 14:17, Jerry Kemp wrote: Why do the changes exist? They're needed so that sshd correctly uses solaris's version of PAM and audit and other subsystems like that. Can the changes be integrated into current 5.9 code? Probably but someone would have to do the work. The fact that some people seem to get defensive when the existing code is questioned leads me to believe that there is a larger picture that is not being seen. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: They're needed so that sshd correctly uses solaris's version of PAM and audit and other subsystems like that. OpenSSH/portable already works with Solaris' PAM and default projects. But the latest documentation I can find on SunSSH is here: These parts of SunSSH 1.5 are quite different from OpenSSH code: PAM GSS-API privilege separation implementation auditing code g11n (not present in OpenSSH) we support HW acceleration through the OpenSSL PKCS#11 engine by default http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+security/SSH However, the only Solaris specific change I'm seeing for OpenSSH portable in regards to Solaris in the last couple of years is a mod for project support; ftp://ftp.ca.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/ChangeLog So I'm not seeing a whole lot of incentive for me to stick with SunSSH since I can't even easily find documentation of what's been patched in SunSSH in the past 2-3 years. Unless someone's claiming that OpenSSH just doesn't work with Solaris' implementation of PAM...? q.v. http://blogs.oracle.com/janp/entry/sunssh_and_openssl_enhancements_in, and https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.opensolaris.org+SunSSH ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Ron Parker rdpar...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for a USB drive that behaves properly with OpenIndiana. Using a toshiba canvio 1tb. It is a 2.5 usb3 external drive that works fine on regular usb 2. Been using it for months. I've transferred a few time 900GB worth of data due to the corner I had painted myself in (solaris 11 express has a zfs rev number than the OI 151a). I currently use it to randomly shuffle music and backup the laptop. I've never had it burp or error. This is on a Sony vaio Z series laptop running OI 151a. Same cannot be said from random 3.5 sata drives in no names powered usb enclosures. Francois ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI friendly external drive
From: Francois Dion [mailto:francois.d...@gmail.com] I currently use it to randomly shuffle music and backup the laptop. I've never had it burp or error. This is on a Sony vaio Z series laptop running OI 151a. Same cannot be said from random 3.5 sata drives in no names powered usb enclosures. I have had more drives fail in the last 18 months than in the last 18 years. I have had Samsung, Seagate, Western Digital, Crucial, drives all go Tango-Uniform. As the number of manufacturers of spinning rust declines quality will likely decline with it. j. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] oi will not load
Tested the iso and the checksums matched - so a good file. I think Running Virtual box (4.1.8) under XP Pro SP3 GRUB shows the first of seven items highlighted and I press enter. Seven dots appear and nothing more. Within VirtualBox OpenSolaris and OpenSUSE both run as expected What should I do ? Bob ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi will not load
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Bob Palank b...@stlcc.org wrote: Running Virtual box (4.1.8) under XP Pro SP3 I have the exact same version of VirtualBox and Windows (32-bit) in my test setup, and both the desktop and server versions of oi151a work for me. What should I do ? Do you have the OS Type set as Oracle Solaris 10 10/09 and later (64-bit)? If so, did you change any other options (eg. IO APIC etc.)? Jan ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
Take a look at README.altprivsep in usr/src/cmd/ssh. Seems like the Solaris team significantly changed how privilege separation works. Looking at the Illumos hg log (which contains the tail end of the Osol hg log) the Sun ssh code was periodically resynced with openssh. The last resync visible 2009/408 (presumably 2009 april 8). That would peg the Sun ssh version as last synced with OpenSSH 5.2. The current OpenSSH is 5.9.. Steve G - Original Message - They're needed so that sshd correctly uses solaris's version of PAM and audit and other subsystems like that. Probably but someone would have to do the work. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing OI 151 ssh with OpenSSH 5.9?
James, James Carlson píše v st 18. 01. 2012 v 16:43 -0500: Milan Jurik wrote: The question is if the work done for Solaris 9 is so crucial even today. Additionally many things changed in cooperation of both sides, many things were merged. Will such fork have so crucial and deep in design advantages these days? Done for Solaris 9? Wow, I think that substantially disparages the work that the Sun SSH team did in Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris. the fork and the original reasons are from Solaris 9 time frame, aren't they? Yes, a lot of happen during Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris but during that time a lot of work is about merge between OpenSSH and SunSSH as you can see from diffs. I hope some of those folks are on the list and can respond appropriately. I wasn't a member of that team, but I was there at Sun when the discussions of why forking was necessary occurred, and the issues were (and are) not trivial. I also wasn't member of the team but I could follow it very closely in last years. Yes, the issues are not trivial, but we should compare costs and benefits. But, hey, it's your system. Install anything you want on it. Much luck. Personally I do not plan to add plain OpenSSH to the system now, I was arguing why I am thinking spending some time on extracting key parts of SunSSH and adding them on top of OpenSSH would be benefitial in long term. Best regards, Milan ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
