Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Illumos as a NAS
On 04 Sep 2012, at 18:37, mag...@yonderway.com wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:06:06 +0100, James Relph ja...@themacplace.co.uk wrote: This to some extent goes back to something I've been talking about recently. The current version of netatalk (v3) is actually excellent on OI. NetAFP added cross-protocol file locking with the native CIFS client and netatalk will use ZFS xattrs to store Mac xattrs.The actual problem has turned out to be the Windows integration, because it's either: AD issues are going to require someone tenacious, motivated, and a bit masochistic as it's historically been a bit of a moving target. Low hanging fruit is to ignore the AD integration for now, make this a good NAS for home users without the AD integration issues resolved. Example of a common use case: iTunes media library. 2+ TB of music, movies, books, podcasts, etc. becomes more than a bit unwieldy to handle natively on a Mac, but Illumos is well suited to handle this workload. No AD integration is necessary for this use case. Local system auth is good enough. The use case described is handled perfectly by OSX server ($15 these days...). It might still be a good idea but don't believe that Mac users are waiting for such a NAS without any alternatives... ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] SPARC and Illumos
One last thing: I bought a Dual 1.5GHz USIV Uniboard for V490 which is located in Phoenix, but the seller strictly refuses to ship overseas. Could smb. please help me and have it forwarded to Berlin? This would be cool. But let's first get the DVD out. I guess the seller can wait 2 more days. Later later ... I just bought a V890 for NZD 72.00 !! but that is for another task. Glad I didn't have to ship it !! But I do have a V440 waiting patiently for an OI install. (4 x CPU, 8Gb mem 4 x 72Gb Hdd) It can be made available for remote testing. Mark. tnx. %martin ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] SPARC and Illumos
I disassembled my 2 V210 servers last year because I thought Sparc was history. I only have 4 Ultrasparc IIIi processors and memory that I saved from disposal. To bad... -Original Message- From: Mark [mailto:mark0...@gmail.com] Sent: woensdag 5 september 2012 9:40 To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] SPARC and Illumos One last thing: I bought a Dual 1.5GHz USIV Uniboard for V490 which is located in Phoenix, but the seller strictly refuses to ship overseas. Could smb. please help me and have it forwarded to Berlin? This would be cool. But let's first get the DVD out. I guess the seller can wait 2 more days. Later later ... I just bought a V890 for NZD 72.00 !! but that is for another task. Glad I didn't have to ship it !! But I do have a V440 waiting patiently for an OI install. (4 x CPU, 8Gb mem 4 x 72Gb Hdd) It can be made available for remote testing. Mark. tnx. %martin ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Illumos as a NAS
Hey James! 2012/9/4 James Relph ja...@themacplace.co.uk: AD issues are going to require someone tenacious, motivated, and a bit masochistic as it's historically been a bit of a moving target. AD seems reasonably stable these days, and in fact the current Illumos strategy works 90% of the way, it's the idmap that actually breaks down because of the approach taken with ephemeral UIDs. It's the only system that I've seen use that approach, and it just seems almost guaranteed to make it difficult for apps that don't have the special hooks that the CIFS server uses. The opendirectoryd (Mac OS X) and winbind approaches seems much more reliable - map a user to a generated UID which will be the same across the domain. Then apps don't need to worry about local or AD users, they just work. what about using winbind? Works with Netatalk and I guess it will also work with Solaris CIFS. We haven't been able to get supplementary groups working, but I'm pretty sure that could be solved, possibly by installing an updated winbind from sources. -f ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] no permission to access oi_148 CIFS shares from Lion Finder
Our users running Lion have a major access problem with CIFS shares on an oi_148 machine. The Finder is unable (or unwilling) to open subdirectories of the share's top level. The problem seems to be only in the Finder, since other programs (e.g., Terminal or Pages) can navigate down through the CIFS tree. For that matter, the Finder can access *files* in the top level, just not subdirectories; for instance, QuickLook works on top-level files. I don't know if this is really a Finder bug or a OI bug (or both), but I've read that it was fixed in Nexenta before the end of November 2011. Has this problem been fixed in OI? Any chance for a fix in oi_148? Thanks, Martin P.S. I just read of a strange temporary workaround, though I haven't had a chance to test it. It's in the post by notpeter on this page: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3193468?start=30tstart=0 It'd be nice if our users didn't have to use that workaround to access oi_148 files from the Finder in Lion. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Illumos as a NAS
what about using winbind? Works with Netatalk and I guess it will also work with Solaris CIFS. We haven't been able to get supplementary groups working, but I'm pretty sure that could be solved, possibly by installing an updated winbind from sources. Hi Frank, Winbind worked straight away with netatalk, and was tons more reliable/configurable (you can just give it a UID range to use). The problem was getting the Solaris CIFS server to work with it, which didn't seem to be possible. James. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Illumos as a NAS
2012/9/5 James Relph ja...@themacplace.co.uk: what about using winbind? Works with Netatalk and I guess it will also work with Solaris CIFS. We haven't been able to get supplementary groups working, but I'm pretty sure that could be solved, possibly by installing an updated winbind from sources. Winbind worked straight away with netatalk, and was tons more reliable/configurable (you can just give it a UID range to use). The problem was getting the Solaris CIFS server to work with it, which didn't seem to be possible. really? Can you elaborate? The thing is, I'm in the process of compiling and updated winbind from latest Samba sources (and documenting that process) in order to test with that if the problems with supplementary groups go away and if it works with Solaris CIFS. Thanks! -f ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] no permission to access oi_148 CIFS shares from Lion Finder
On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:37:16 -0700, Martin Frost wrote:
Our users running Lion have a major access problem with CIFS shares
on an oi_148 machine. The Finder is unable (or unwilling) to open
subdirectories of the share's top level.
The problem seems to be only in the Finder, since other programs
(e.g., Terminal or Pages) can navigate down through the CIFS tree.
For that matter, the Finder can access *files* in the top level, just
not subdirectories; for instance, QuickLook works on top-level files.
I don't know if this is really a Finder bug or a OI bug (or both), but
I've read that it was fixed in Nexenta before the end of November
2011.
Has this problem been fixed in OI? Any chance for a fix in oi_148?
Thanks,
Martin
P.S. I just read of a strange temporary workaround, though I haven't had
a chance to test it. It's in the post by notpeter on this page:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3193468?start=30tstart=0
It'd be nice if our users didn't have to use that workaround to
access oi_148 files from the Finder in Lion.
This should be fixed in illumos:
changeset: 13513:f84d4672fdbd
user:Gordon Ross g...@nexenta.com
date:Wed Nov 09 18:47:36 2011 -0500
description:
1718 MacOS X Lion (10.7) Finder access denied
Reviewed by: Dan McDonald dan...@nexenta.com
Reviewed by: Albert Lee tr...@nexenta.com
Reviewed by: Andrew Stormont andrew.storm...@nexenta.com
Reviewed by: Richard Lowe richl...@richlowe.net
Approved by: Eric Schrock eric.schr...@delphix.com
and should be available in the latest OI release (oi151a5, probably).
The fix itself is pretty simple (attached).
changeset: 13513:f84d4672fdbd
user:Gordon Ross g...@nexenta.com
date:Wed Nov 09 18:47:36 2011 -0500
description:
1718 MacOS X Lion (10.7) Finder access denied
Reviewed by: Dan McDonald dan...@nexenta.com
Reviewed by: Albert Lee tr...@nexenta.com
Reviewed by: Andrew Stormont andrew.storm...@nexenta.com
Reviewed by: Richard Lowe richl...@richlowe.net
Approved by: Eric Schrock eric.schr...@delphix.com
diff -r 060607df0c9d -r f84d4672fdbd
usr/src/uts/common/fs/smbsrv/smb_common_open.c
--- a/usr/src/uts/common/fs/smbsrv/smb_common_open.cTue Nov 08 17:01:06
2011 -0500
+++ b/usr/src/uts/common/fs/smbsrv/smb_common_open.cWed Nov 09 18:47:36
2011 -0500
@@ -20,6 +20,7 @@
*/
/*
+ * Copyright 2011 Nexenta Systems, Inc. All rights reserved.
* Copyright (c) 2007, 2010, Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved.
*/
@@ -59,11 +60,15 @@
* FILE_WRITE_ATTRIBUTES, FILE_WRITE_EA, and FILE_APPEND_DATA
*
* GENERIC_EXECUTE STANDARD_RIGHTS_EXECUTE, SYNCHRONIZE, and FILE_EXECUTE.
+ *
+ * Careful, we have to emulate some Windows behavior here.
+ * When requested access == zero, you get READ_CONTROL.
+ * MacOS 10.7 depends on this.
*/
uint32_t
smb_access_generic_to_file(uint32_t desired_access)
{
- uint32_t access = 0;
+ uint32_t access = READ_CONTROL;
if (desired_access GENERIC_ALL)
return (FILE_ALL_ACCESS ~SYNCHRONIZE);
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] SPARC and Illumos
For all your hard work I can do that for you. I was thinking about how to buy you dinner On 09/ 4/12 08:22 PM, Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) wrote: Hi ok, today I broke my rule and did login again. Thanks for your encouraging pn's :) One update: After 8 years it was about time to get a new DVD burner, these are unbelievably cheap now. Connected to SB2k via off the shelf USB2 pci-controller with NEC chipset. Now I can handle DVD-RAM media and finally use GROWISOFS(1m) for the first time. This should speed up things a little bit, and be more efficient. Ok, till later, when the LiveDVD is ready (this should definitely happen during the next days). One last thing: I bought a Dual 1.5GHz USIV Uniboard for V490 which is located in Phoenix, but the seller strictly refuses to ship overseas. Could smb. please help me and have it forwarded to Berlin? This would be cool. But let's first get the DVD out. I guess the seller can wait 2 more days. Later later ... tnx. %martin ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Assistant Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar ...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies -E. O. Wilson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Illumos as a NAS
On Sep 5, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Didier Carlier wrote: The use case described is handled perfectly by OSX server ($15 these days...). It might still be a good idea but don't believe that Mac users are waiting for such a NAS without any alternatives… My iTunes library is pushing 2TB these days, and I'm not done backing up my large DVD collection yet. I've got a stack of external firewire drives attached to my Mac Mini that are slow (nature of Firewire) and suffer early thermal failure because these cases are designed more for looking slim and attractive on my desk than they are for actively cooling the disks within. If I want to add new disks to expand my volume, I can't really do that; I have to make a full backup, destroy my original volume, and create a new volume with more disks in it. I'm a beta tester for what was TensComplement so I have ZFS on there now, but I still have the limitations of firewire and the consumer level external disk thermal problems. I very much have an interest in moving my precious media library to something more robust and performant. OS X Server doesn't fix any of that. Meanwhile I've got a ~5 year old AMD machine that used to be a nice Linux desktop, now running Illumos (as of about 8 hours or so ago) and the long slow rsync from my Mac is still going. My disks will be actively cooled by a case with adequate fans. When my 2TB ZFS volume is a little closer to full, I can add another mirrored pair of 2TB disks to my pool in a matter of maybe half an hour tops (including time to physically install the disks). I've also got a pair of SSD's for slog and cache devices to put in there, once I source another SATA controller for the system. I can't do any of that with my Mac Mini. I'm also looking at the *five disks* on my desk right now around my monitor, and smiling knowing that they are going away soon. -M ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Illumos as a NAS
On 05 Sep 2012, at 14:21, Magnus mag...@yonderway.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Didier Carlier wrote: The use case described is handled perfectly by OSX server ($15 these days...). It might still be a good idea but don't believe that Mac users are waiting for such a NAS without any alternatives… My iTunes library is pushing 2TB these days, and I'm not done backing up my large DVD collection yet. I've got a stack of external firewire drives attached to my Mac Mini that are slow (nature of Firewire) and suffer early thermal failure because these cases are designed more for looking slim and attractive on my desk than they are for actively cooling the disks within. If I want to add new disks to expand my volume, I can't really do that; I have to make a full backup, destroy my original volume, and create a new volume with more disks in it. I'm a beta tester for what was TensComplement so I have ZFS on there now, but I still have the limitations of firewire and the consumer level external disk thermal problems. I very much have an interest in moving my precious media library to something more robust and performant. OS X Server doesn't fix any of that. Meanwhile I've got a ~5 year old AMD machine that used to be a nice Linux desktop, now running Illumos (as of about 8 hours or so ago) and the long slow rsync from my Mac is still going. My disks will be actively cooled by a case with adequate fans. When my 2TB ZFS volume is a little closer to full, I can add another mirrored pair of 2TB disks to my pool in a matter of maybe half an hour tops (including time to physically install the disks). I've also got a pair of SSD's for slog and cache devices to put in there, once I source another SATA controller for the system. I can't do any of that with my Mac Mini. I'm also looking at the *five disks* on my desk right now around my monitor, and smiling knowing that they are going away soon. -M I wasn't talking specifically about firewire, a Thunderbolt disk array like the ones from Promise is much faster than firewire and support up to 12 TB. That might be more expensive but functionally, a Mac mini plus this kind of storage handles your load without any problem. Now obviously I agree that ZFS has its advantages, but OSX has some too, at least in a full Mac home or SME. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Illumos as a NAS
I'd have to buy a new Mac to get Thunderbolt. It's a new feature that only the newest Macs have. Most Macs in the field now still don't have that option. Time will change that, of course. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Didier Carlier did...@lafalise.org wrote: On 05 Sep 2012, at 14:21, Magnus mag...@yonderway.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Didier Carlier wrote: The use case described is handled perfectly by OSX server ($15 these days...). It might still be a good idea but don't believe that Mac users are waiting for such a NAS without any alternatives… My iTunes library is pushing 2TB these days, and I'm not done backing up my large DVD collection yet. I've got a stack of external firewire drives attached to my Mac Mini that are slow (nature of Firewire) and suffer early thermal failure because these cases are designed more for looking slim and attractive on my desk than they are for actively cooling the disks within. If I want to add new disks to expand my volume, I can't really do that; I have to make a full backup, destroy my original volume, and create a new volume with more disks in it. I'm a beta tester for what was TensComplement so I have ZFS on there now, but I still have the limitations of firewire and the consumer level external disk thermal problems. I very much have an interest in moving my precious media library to something more robust and performant. OS X Server doesn't fix any of that. Meanwhile I've got a ~5 year old AMD machine that used to be a nice Linux desktop, now running Illumos (as of about 8 hours or so ago) and the long slow rsync from my Mac is still going. My disks will be actively cooled by a case with adequate fans. When my 2TB ZFS volume is a little closer to full, I can add another mirrored pair of 2TB disks to my pool in a matter of maybe half an hour tops (including time to physically install the disks). I've also got a pair of SSD's for slog and cache devices to put in there, once I source another SATA controller for the system. I can't do any of that with my Mac Mini. I'm also looking at the *five disks* on my desk right now around my monitor, and smiling knowing that they are going away soon. -M I wasn't talking specifically about firewire, a Thunderbolt disk array like the ones from Promise is much faster than firewire and support up to 12 TB. That might be more expensive but functionally, a Mac mini plus this kind of storage handles your load without any problem. Now obviously I agree that ZFS has its advantages, but OSX has some too, at least in a full Mac home or SME. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code
Thanks. --- On Wed, 9/5/12, Yuri Pankov yuri.pan...@gmail.com wrote: From: Yuri Pankov yuri.pan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code To: openindiana-discuss openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 7:57 AM On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT), Reginald Beardsley wrote: I've cloned the repository but find that the Makefile is expecting state to be set in the shell. Where would I find details on what I need to have set to compile just the things in usr/src/cmd/ttymon Is that possible? I'm really not eager to take on building everything as my OI box is a dual core Atom. http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/How+To+Build+illumos ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] isc-dhcp client
Hi, Anyone know if there is a fundamental reason why we can't wholesale replace the Sun/Oracle dhcp client with the ISC one? If we don't get any updates downstream from Oracle we will never get features like ipv6 prefix delegation. This feature is becoming important as some big ISPs (i.e. Comcast) are using this to delegate IPV6 blocks to their business/personal customers. If the answer is that I should be able to replace it, the next question is if anyone has done this before and how difficult this would be to do. Gary ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code
I find that I am unable to convert a newline returned by a remote host to NL-CR for display in a terminal window. So instead of: ok ok ok I get: ok ok ok I thought I'd try to find out why. I also found I can't actually set -onlcr w/ stty though I can toggle olcuc. Some things in stty work and some don't. I've actually modified the forth interpreter to send NL-CR and reassembled the code, so my original problem is solved. But it bugs me that things don't seem to work properly. While ttys are not used much now in the wider world, they are still heavily used as the interface to microcontrollers both for interaction and for loading new firmware. I'm *very* resistant to having to use Linux for this and simply won't use Windows which is the predominate environment for working w/ microcontrollers. Unfortunately there's a fair bit of open source stuff that doesn't like Solaris :-( It was a good bit of work to get this far. In view of the admin overhead, I'll probably defer working on ttymon friends until I can setup a faster OI machine. Working on OI wasn't actually in my plans at this time. Thanks for the pointers. Have Fun! Reg --- On Wed, 9/5/12, James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com wrote: From: James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 7:52 AM Reginald Beardsley wrote: I've cloned the repository but find that the Makefile is expecting state to be set in the shell. Where would I find details on what I need to have set to compile just the things in usr/src/cmd/ttymon Is that possible? Look for the bldenv and ws scripts, part of the ON build tools in usr/src/tools. A good starting point might be: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+on/devref_4 I'm really not eager to take on building everything as my OI box is a dual core Atom. Building just a portion of the tree can be a little tricky. In general, you have to do a make install in usr/src/head to make sure that you have a proto area with the right header files. You might then be able to build in usr/src/cmd/ttymon, but it's very likely that you'll have to build some of the libraries on which it depends first. The ON build was never designed to allow builds of individual parts of the tree, except after building everything. An interesting (and possibly useful) project would be to break up the usr/src/cmd and usr/src/lib trees into separate projects, so that each can be built separately. Doing so, though, likely requires a lot of careful planning so that flag-day changes are still reasonably doable. If you have a really slow target machine, it might be an interesting idea to work on a cross-compilation environment on a faster one. I'm not sure, though, how hard that'd be. Why are you hacking at stty ... ? -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W carls...@workingcode.com ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code
Reginald Beardsley wrote: I find that I am unable to convert a newline returned by a remote host to NL-CR for display in a terminal window. So instead of: ok ok ok I get: ok ok ok It's unclear to me what problem you're trying to solve. A terminal window contains a terminal emulator that's displaying data from a remote system. The remote system decides what it will send, and that's what stty affects. Stty doesn't (normally, at least) affect what the terminal window itself does with the data it sees. The reason I say that is that the ok prompt you're showing looks like it comes from a SPARC OBP prompt. If it does, then what I think you'd need is either an OBP command to change the CF/LF behavior or a different terminal emulator or configuration. OBP isn't UNIX and doesn't have stty. I thought I'd try to find out why. I also found I can't actually set -onlcr w/ stty though I can toggle olcuc. Some things in stty work and some don't. I sometimes find stty -g helpful in figuring out what the line is really configured to do, but I'm a little geeky that way. What does your stty -a output say? Does it say opost or -opost? If it's the latter, then there'll be no output processing at all. What application is using the tty in question, and does it issue any ioctls? If so, then all bets with stty may well be off -- applications can (and very often do!) change anything they want. The setting you logically want here is opost onlcr -onlret. I don't think it's related to your problem, though. I've actually modified the forth interpreter to send NL-CR and reassembled the code, so my original problem is solved. But it bugs me that things don't seem to work properly. While ttys are not used much now in the wider world, they are still heavily used as the interface to microcontrollers both for interaction and for loading new firmware. I'm *very* resistant to having to use Linux for this and simply won't use Windows which is the predominate environment for working w/ microcontrollers. Unfortunately there's a fair bit of open source stuff that doesn't like Solaris :-( It was a good bit of work to get this far. In view of the admin overhead, I'll probably defer working on ttymon friends until I can setup a faster OI machine. Working on OI wasn't actually in my plans at this time. I think you may well be barking up the wrong tree. Details on precisely what software you're using and what you have connected to what via a serial link would probably be helpful in getting a more useful response. -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W carls...@workingcode.com ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Core i7 2600 is being installed as i386
Thanks A lot Jim. I will note this in case similar incident happens. BTW, a simple restart, and the system detect as amd64. I think it is a timing bug on obtaining the string i386 without detecting amd64 first 2012-09-02 18:50, Handojo пишет: Hi, I had Core i7 2600 with 16 GB of RAM. After successfully install OI151a-5, issuing # isainfo i386 I've been installing on 10+ AMD system and get correct kernel ( amd64 ), but this very first time installing on Core i7 give me back to i386 Any clue how to fix it ? It may be possible that GRUB misdetects the hardware; while in grub menu, try to issue c to edit the boot option and in kernel/module lines replace $ISADIR with amd64 explicitly. HTH, //Jim ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code
This is an example of one symptom:
oi%rhb {9} stty -a | egrep opost
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
oi%rhb {10} stty -onlcr
oi%rhb {11} stty -a | egrep opost
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
Notice that stty did *not* toggle onlcr. As noted earlier, I can toggle olcuc
and some other output modes, but there are several I can't.
I started checking just the xterm window stty settings when I couldn't get tip
to do this by setting things in /etc/ttydefs. It appears to me that something
is broken in code which is common to stty and ttymon.
I'm using tip running in an xterm to connect to an USB-RS-232 adapter
connected to an MSP430G2553 installed in a TI MSP430 LaunchPad. The 'G2553 is
running a forth interpreter.
The example I gave looks like OBP because OBP is also a forth interpreter. I
should probably have commented on that previously. It's not really relevant,
but could be confusing.
I have two different forth interpreters that run on the MSP430G2553, a 20 pin
DIP w/ 16K flash 512 byte RAM. One was sending NL-CR and worked properly.
The second sent just NL which ttymon tip *should* be able to convert to NL-CR
for the display terminal, but did not.
As noted previously, I've now modified the second forth so that it sends NL-CR
and things work fine for my purposes.
In summary, I'm connecting to a remote host over a serial line. Old and
obsolete cruft to most these days, but the predominate means of communicating
w/ microcontrollers today and probably always will be. It only takes 2 pins,
Rx Tx. (Gnd doesn't require an MCU pin) In the microcontroller world MCU pins
are very precious. It also doesn't even require a UART in the MCU, though many
have them. So *any* MCU w/ 2 free pins can use RS-232 to talk to the outside
world.
This is what stty ttymon exist for. But it doesn't seem to work and appears
to have been broken for some time as Solaris 10 has the same problem. Nemeth
et al note Solaris serial line discipline is a mess. However, it appears to be
worse than that. It appears to be broken.
Have Fun!
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Reginald Beardsley wrote:
This is an example of one symptom:
oi%rhb {9} stty -a | egrep opost
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
oi%rhb {10} stty -onlcr
oi%rhb {11} stty -a | egrep opost
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
You're probably best off just using truss -vioctl to figure out what
those commands are actually doing. I'll bet that you see a TCGETS with
oflag set to 005 followed by a TCSETSW with oflag set to 001,
showing that stty is in fact attempting to toggle that bit.
Then, when you do stty -a again, oflag is stubbornly set to 005.
The conclusion you can draw from that is that there's nothing at all
wrong with stty -- it's doing precisely what you asked -- and that it's
something else that's being cantankerous.
As an experiment, try this:
stty -onlcr ; stty -a
You may well find that the output is jagged (due to the lack of
onlcr), and that the output includes -onlcr.
The conclusion to draw from that experiment is that you're being
confused by your shell. The shell itself (on issuing the prompt) is
helpfully setting some sane stty modes for you.
In other words, recompiling stty isn't going to do anything useful.
I'm using tip running in an xterm to connect to an USB-RS-232 adapter
connected to an MSP430G2553 installed in a TI MSP430 LaunchPad. The 'G2553
is running a forth interpreter.
OK. I expect that the problems you have are related to the behavior of
tip, not of stty.
The example I gave looks like OBP because OBP is also a forth interpreter. I
should probably have commented on that previously. It's not really relevant,
but could be confusing.
It's relevant because that remote system is sending data that is then
copied by tip through the tty to xterm. Knowing what's going on
necessarily involves knowing precisely what the remote system is
expected to send.
I have two different forth interpreters that run on the MSP430G2553, a 20 pin
DIP w/ 16K flash 512 byte RAM. One was sending NL-CR and worked properly.
The second sent just NL which ttymon tip *should* be able to convert to
NL-CR for the display terminal, but did not.
When you're running tip in the foreground, it's in charge of the modes
on the tty. stty has very little to do with it.
Looking at the tip source code (usr/src/cmd/tip/), it looks like tip
always puts the tty into raw mode (c_oflag = 0, and c_flag ~ICANON)
when handling data from the remote system.
Thus, that bare NL is going straight to xterm, and it's doing what the
xterm's default VT102-like terminal emulation tells it to do. If this
is really xterm (and not the GNOME Terminal application or something
else), then setting autolinefeed (accessed by holding the ctrl key and
pressing the middle mouse- button) should fix the problem.
In short, the configuration of the terminal emulator (xterm in this
case) MUST match what the remote system thinks it's talking to. If it
doesn't, you'll see unfortunate results.
As noted previously, I've now modified the second forth so that it sends
NL-CR and things work fine for my purposes.
In summary, I'm connecting to a remote host over a serial line. Old and
obsolete cruft to most these days, but the predominate means of communicating
w/ microcontrollers today and probably always will be. It only takes 2 pins,
Rx Tx. (Gnd doesn't require an MCU pin) In the microcontroller world MCU
pins are very precious. It also doesn't even require a UART in the MCU,
though many have them. So *any* MCU w/ 2 free pins can use RS-232 to talk to
the outside world.
This is what stty ttymon exist for. But it doesn't seem to work and
appears to have been broken for some time as Solaris 10 has the same problem.
Nemeth et al note Solaris serial line discipline is a mess. However, it
appears to be worse than that. It appears to be broken.
I don't think anything at all is wrong with the Solaris line discipline
support. But those writing books can say whatever they want. ;-}
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Folks, I got on board the OI boat seriously back in April. I love it. It has pushed me to learn a lot about Solaris as an OS and certain technologies (like SAS, SCSI) that probably wouldn't have had a place on the Mac I sold. I want to work with it and use it in solutions I propose to Vet clinics and the like. I am not a programmer (I do some basic Ruby and shell scripting), so I wouldn't really know how to help with code, but I'd like to help with the website and wiki. Can I help, and if so, how do I get started? Bryan On 09/ 5/12 05:21 AM, Jan Owoc wrote: On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Magnus mag...@yonderway.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I expect that this became available in oi_151a_prestable5 (however, oi_151a_prestable6 is out today!). I'm looking at http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/ and it looks like 151a5 is the latest available to the public right now. oi_151a_prestable6 AKA oi_151a6 is a bug and security fix release. This is not an ISO release. [1] Making an ISO image takes time, so tends to happen every 2-3 releases. You need to install prestable5 and then upgrade. [1] http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi_151a_prestable6+Release+Notes Does this require the end user to do anything special, or should it just work when installing OI? Right now some other Illumos distros are not handling these drives well at all yet. My drive is coming up as WDC WD2002FAEX-0 revision 1D05. I don't think the drive's model number or revision will change with a system update. I don't know whether it detects sector size or simply uses ashift=12 always (using 4k data sectors on a 512b drive doesn't exactly have downsides). Either way it shouldn't require any manual user intervention. Some drives behave by reporting 4k sectors (not sure about yours specifically), and then even OI 151a (what I used) created a pool with ashift=12 when needed. root@openindiana:~# zdb -C rpool | grep ashift ashift: 9 root@openindiana:~# zdb -C tankz2 | grep ashift ashift: 12 root@openindiana:~# uname -a SunOS openindiana 5.11 oi_151a4 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris Jan ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] sox library mismatch in OI 151a6
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code
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From: James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com
Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code
To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 1:26 PM
Reginald Beardsley wrote:
This is an example of one symptom:
oi%rhb {9} stty -a | egrep opost
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
oi%rhb {10} stty -onlcr
oi%rhb {11} stty -a | egrep opost
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
[snip]
As an experiment, try this:
stty -onlcr ; stty -a
You may well find that the output is jagged (due to the lack
of
onlcr), and that the output includes -onlcr.
Well, well...
Apparently /bin/tcsh helpfully resets certain of the tty modes. Can't trust
a user to know what they need. /bin/sh and /bin/csh behave as expected.
What a staggering waste of time. Command line retrieval and editing is nice,
but not at this price.
Sigh...
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] stty source code
Having established that the stty behavior is a red herring produced by
/bin/tcsh here is a precis of the situation (pwd is /etc):
oi%rhb {180} /app/bin/rcsdiff remote ttydefs
===
RCS file: RCS/remote,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 remote
5a6
u0::dv=/dev/cua/0:br#9600:el=^C^S^Q^U^D:ie=%$:oe=^D:
===
RCS file: RCS/ttydefs,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 ttydefs
63a64
msp430:9600 -parenb cs8 -cstopb ixon opost olcuc onlcr:9600 hupcl sane::msp430
oi%rhb {181} pmadm -l
PMTAG PMTYPE SVCTAG FLGS ID PMSPECIFIC
zsmon ttymon tty0 uroot /dev/term/0 b -
/usr/bin/login - msp430 ldterm,ttcompat login: - - - -S n #MSP430
oi%rhb {182} /bin/sh
rhb@openindiana:/etc$ tip u0
connected
ok.
ok.
ok.
~
[EOT]
rhb@openindiana:/etc$ stty -a
speed 38400 baud;
rows = 77; columns = 107; ypixels = 0; xpixels = 0;
csdata ?
eucw 1:0:0:0, scrw 1:0:0:0
intr = ^c; quit = ^\; erase = ^h; kill = ^u;
eof = ^d; eol = undef; eol2 = undef; swtch = undef;
start = ^q; stop = ^s; susp = ^z; dsusp = ^y;
rprnt = ^r; flush = ^o; werase = ^?; lnext = ^v;
-parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb hupcl cread -clocal -loblk -crtscts -crtsxoff
-parext
-ignbrk brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc
ixon ixany -ixoff imaxbel
isig icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh
-tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke -defecho -flusho -pendin iexten
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
rhb@openindiana:/etc$ stty olcuc
RHB@OPENINDIANA:/ETC$ TIP U0
connected
ok.
ok.
ok.
~
[EOT]
RHB@OPENINDIANA:/ETC$
Note that I have olcuc onlcr set in ttydefs, but it's not being done. With
italso set in the terminal window it doesn't get applied to the remote host
traffic. (The connect is from the USB adapter)
Communication w/ the remote host is 9600 baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop bit.
The remote host is returning just NL in its output.
Note: The entries in /etc/remote and /etc/ttydefs are a single line each in
case they appear differently on receipt.
Suggestions? Does anyone see anything wrong w/ the ttydefs line? This is
precisely what I expect ttydefs ttymon to fix. At this point, the only
explanation I can think of is that only inbound traffic passed to /bin/login
gets the effect of the arguments in ttydefs and that they are not applied to
traffic using tip. If that's the case, it's not broken, it's just brain dead.
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Reginald Beardsley wrote:
Having established that the stty behavior is a red herring produced by
/bin/tcsh here is a precis of the situation (pwd is /etc):
oi%rhb {180} /app/bin/rcsdiff remote ttydefs
===
RCS file: RCS/remote,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 remote
5a6
u0::dv=/dev/cua/0:br#9600:el=^C^S^Q^U^D:ie=%$:oe=^D:
===
RCS file: RCS/ttydefs,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 ttydefs
63a64
msp430:9600 -parenb cs8 -cstopb ixon opost olcuc onlcr:9600 hupcl sane::msp430
oi%rhb {181} pmadm -l
PMTAG PMTYPE SVCTAG FLGS ID PMSPECIFIC
zsmon ttymon tty0 uroot /dev/term/0 b -
/usr/bin/login - msp430 ldterm,ttcompat login: - - - -S n #MSP430
oi%rhb {182} /bin/sh
rhb@openindiana:/etc$ tip u0
connected
ok.
ok.
ok.
~
[EOT]
rhb@openindiana:/etc$ stty -a
You're running stty on your terminal, not on /dev/term/b.
Try running stty -a /dev/term/b whilst you have the tip running on it.
(or I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do.)
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] VERY slow server performance
Hi - Look for some assistance in improving disk access performance on my OpenIndiana install. Wanting to upgrade my server based on OpenSolaris and ZFS to 3TB drives, I upgraded the OS to OpenIndiana 151a. Performance is terrible over the network as compared to the previous OpenSolaris installation. Hardware is identical with the exception of a second SATA controller (a second identical Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8) and additional hard drives. Perhaps related, the USB mouse is virtually none-operational. It will only update the location of the mouse for about 0.5s out of every 10s. This has not been an issue, as I usually connect remotely. But still an indication that all is not well. Transfers on the machine, from drive to drive appears about the same as when running under OpenIndiana - but across the networks it's very slow. Moving a large file from my windows 7 machine across the GbE lan - transfers at ~11.5MB/s as reported by windows copy. Using zpool iostat, the write bandwidth is reported as high as 20M. Now if I run zpool iostat continuously (display every 3 seconds), copy performance increases - moving into the 16 to 17 MB/s range as reported by windows. Copying from one storage pool to another, zpool iostat will report write bandwidths of 26M. My pool configuration is detailed below. Other's slow performance had been pegged to flow control enabled on the Ethernet port - this was disabled. It did make a difference, but not that dramatic. Any suggestions on how to improve performance and how to fix the mouse would be greatly appreciated! Stuart Flow control properties: LINK PROPERTYPERM VALUE DEFAULTPOSSIBLE e1000g0 flowctrlrw no bi no,tx,rx,bi Zpool configurations: pool: rpool state: ONLINE scan: resilvered 4.63G in 0h7m with 0 errors on Wed Jun 6 22:12:16 2012 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM rpool ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t0d0s0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t1d0s0 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: tank_12T state: ONLINE scan: none requested config: NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM tank_12TONLINE 0 0 0 raidz2-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t7d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t3d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t5d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t6d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c5d0ONLINE 0 0 0 c8d0ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: tank_m state: ONLINE scan: none requested config: NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM tank_m ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t2d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t6d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c6d0ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-1 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3t4d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t7d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c4d0ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, Jan Owoc wrote: I don't think the drive's model number or revision will change with a system update. I don't know whether it detects sector size or simply uses ashift=12 always (using 4k data sectors on a 512b drive doesn't exactly have downsides). Either way it shouldn't require any manual There is a downside to using 4k sectors on 512b drives. Quite a lot more space may be wasted because zfs's smallest consumed data size (e.g. for metadata) is one sector. At least two copies are made of any metadata. If you use smaller zfs blocks (than the default 128k) and/or a large number of files, you will be wondering what happened to your disk space. For huge drives this is not much of an issue. It is definitely an issue for SSDs, which usually offer much less space per drive. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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