Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sparc
Sounds like this community has some very passionate developers. Thanks for the info. Regards, Peter. - Original message - Send openindiana-discuss mailing list submissions to openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org You can reach the person managing the list at openindiana-discuss-ow...@openindiana.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of openindiana-discuss digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sparc (Dormition Skete (Hotmail)) 2. Re: Sparc (Andreas Wacknitz) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 12:03:58 -0600 From: Dormition Skete (Hotmail) dormitionsk...@hotmail.com To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sparc Message-ID: blu437-smtp78464beb5e514ece75bc53c2...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Ok, since no one else wants to bite, I guess I will. I haven?t spoken with Martin or spent any significant time watching his distro for a while now, so this information may not be entirely up to date; but it?s highly unlikely that things have changed significantly in recent months. A couple of years ago, Martin quit his job (sort of) and embarked upon making openSXCE. It was a one-man effort, requiring extreme self-sacrifice. His announcement of the distro ruffled quite a few feathers in multiple communities, and in the months following he seems to have been shunned and maligned by the Illumos community, the OpenIndiana community (to some extent), and probably a few others. Because of that, he shifted openSXCE away from Illumos to a derivative of it (?) called Dillix (sp ?). I?m not sure how significant that is. He?s not the only one to have had problems with Illumos. Look at the website for Schillix, and you?ll see they had problems with Illumos, too. His May 2014 release was the first for the past year. I think he initially wanted to release updates monthly, but that has not materialized yet. (It?s a lot of work.) I?ve included below his post to this list announcing the distro. Although the status is not current, it'll give you a lot of insight about openSXCE and where he wants to take it. He is extremely dedicated to the distro, and the extreme self-sacrifice have at times made him come across as being less than stable; but in my conversations with him privately, he seems like a pretty decent fellow. I believe he collaborates with a few people, primarily fellow-Russians, whom he seems to feel more at ease with, but the distro seems to remain primarily his baby at this time. I?m sure he would welcome more help, and I believe he would like to see the community to grow, and the development of it to grow beyond primarily himself. He doesn't seem to have a real good grasp about how to make that happen, though. His living situation has improved this past year, but the last I knew, it was not very good, to say the least, and probably still isn?t what most folks would consider reasonable. He could use some financial help in a serious way. Even just a few dollars here and there mean a lot to him. The official website is: http://www.opensxce.org He used to have a mailing list that someone in the Netherlands set up for him, but it had very little traffic, and seems to have disappeared in recent months. If you?re interested, write him at mar...@martux.org It appears to be the only open source distro for sparc, and I have not seen anyone else having much interest in it, so if you want an open source distro for sparc, I think that is your only option. And I?m not sure I should call this an ?open source? project, but it is a free one. I hope this helps. Peter, heiromonk Begin forwarded message: From: Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A potential new Illumos reference distro candidate: IA32, AMD64, sun4u, sun4v Date: December 17, 2012 at 7:22:04 PM MST To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Reply-To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Dear Illumos and all OpenSolaris comrades Sorry that I wasn't online for 2 months. I did not break my promise: In fact I did nothing else but working on Illumos' new SVR4 based reference distro for IA32, AMD64 and sun4u as well as sun4v, with X11, also on _all_ SPARC platforms. As it was the goal to create sort of reference distro, the standards needed to be kept high. For this reason it didn't take 5 weeks, as originally estimated, but 5
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sparc
8 сентября 2014 г. 10:37:28 CEST, Peter j...@zeus.net.au пишет: Sounds like this community has some very passionate developers. Thanks for the info. Regards, Peter. - Original message - Send openindiana-discuss mailing list submissions to openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org You can reach the person managing the list at openindiana-discuss-ow...@openindiana.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of openindiana-discuss digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sparc (Dormition Skete (Hotmail)) 2. Re: Sparc (Andreas Wacknitz) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 12:03:58 -0600 From: Dormition Skete (Hotmail) dormitionsk...@hotmail.com To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sparc Message-ID: blu437-smtp78464beb5e514ece75bc53c2...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Ok, since no one else wants to bite, I guess I will. I haven?t spoken with Martin or spent any significant time watching his distro for a while now, so this information may not be entirely up to date; but it?s highly unlikely that things have changed significantly in recent months. A couple of years ago, Martin quit his job (sort of) and embarked upon making openSXCE. It was a one-man effort, requiring extreme self-sacrifice. His announcement of the distro ruffled quite a few feathers in multiple communities, and in the months following he seems to have been shunned and maligned by the Illumos community, the OpenIndiana community (to some extent), and probably a few others. Because of that, he shifted openSXCE away from Illumos to a derivative of it (?) called Dillix (sp ?). I?m not sure how significant that is. He?s not the only one to have had problems with Illumos. Look at the website for Schillix, and you?ll see they had problems with Illumos, too. His May 2014 release was the first for the past year. I think he initially wanted to release updates monthly, but that has not materialized yet. (It?s a lot of work.) I?ve included below his post to this list announcing the distro. Although the status is not current, it'll give you a lot of insight about openSXCE and where he wants to take it. He is extremely dedicated to the distro, and the extreme self-sacrifice have at times made him come across as being less than stable; but in my conversations with him privately, he seems like a pretty decent fellow. I believe he collaborates with a few people, primarily fellow-Russians, whom he seems to feel more at ease with, but the distro seems to remain primarily his baby at this time. I?m sure he would welcome more help, and I believe he would like to see the community to grow, and the development of it to grow beyond primarily himself. He doesn't seem to have a real good grasp about how to make that happen, though. His living situation has improved this past year, but the last I knew, it was not very good, to say the least, and probably still isn?t what most folks would consider reasonable. He could use some financial help in a serious way. Even just a few dollars here and there mean a lot to him. The official website is: http://www.opensxce.org He used to have a mailing list that someone in the Netherlands set up for him, but it had very little traffic, and seems to have disappeared in recent months. If you?re interested, write him at mar...@martux.org It appears to be the only open source distro for sparc, and I have not seen anyone else having much interest in it, so if you want an open source distro for sparc, I think that is your only option. And I?m not sure I should call this an ?open source? project, but it is a free one. I hope this helps. Peter, heiromonk Begin forwarded message: From: Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A potential new Illumos reference distro candidate: IA32, AMD64, sun4u, sun4v Date: December 17, 2012 at 7:22:04 PM MST To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Reply-To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Dear Illumos and all OpenSolaris comrades Sorry that I wasn't online for 2 months. I did not break my promise: In fact I did nothing else but working on Illumos' new SVR4 based reference distro for IA32, AMD64 and sun4u as well as sun4v, with X11, also on _all_ SPARC platforms. As it was the goal to create sort of reference distro, the standards needed to be kept high. For this
[OpenIndiana-discuss] mirroring network packets to zones
I would like to setup “port mirroring” … I would like to mirror network specific packets going to a zone to another zone. What are some approaches I can take to doing this? Does ilbadm/ipfilter support this? I haven’t used Crossbow in a while, so am trying to remember if there is something in there I could use. Thanks ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sparc
By the way, as a way to support Martin's work and get some well-preserved and functional desktop-ready SPARC gear, people are encouraged to take a look at his blog since he recently began setting up auctions to sell off the machines used to develop and test OpenSXCE since their intricacies are now covered by code and the hardware is no longer personally required. And it takes up space. And Martin wants to eat ;( Some of the boxes are pretty unique and might gain in value as collectibles ;) (i.e. nearly the last built Ultra45 with some extended capabilities done just before the SUNWkst market vector collapsed). From what I gather, he did a lot of heavy-lifting to match up a most functional set of X11 server and drivers to cover both legacy and recent videocards, and much work about integrating the recent releases of desktop gui software such as flash player, browsers, etc. His mood about the ability of both sides to collaborate did fluctuate over time, but the last I heard from his blog, he did intend to push his sources into the public space. Ne is just wary that more commercialy apt sharks would take his multi-year and multi-dollar investment baby, for granted and for free, earn money for themselves and leave him on the curb to continue in suffering and poverty. I can only hope that something more ... decent ... would happen in reality. Jim Klimov -- Typos courtesy of K-9 Mail on my Samsung Android Martin has been doing good work for the Solaris Sparc community for years. And suffering for years. Here is one of the earlier post I had archived from him, from back in 2007 on the OpenSolaris mailing list where he is letting off a little steam. I wish there was some way to better support his efforts. Jerry In case you cannot help me: Plesae tell me how I can delete the bochnig account here, or best, do it yourself. Once and for e v e r . Thank you very much. I need to pay EUR 2559.61 back to them. Within 8 days. They cancelled my loans contract as I couldn't pay the bill for the third time. Where will I now take those EUR 2559.61 from? Circa USD 3000,-? Those of you who really know me a bit know, that I have invested weeks, months and years into doing my part of contributing to making OpenSolaris a better reality (my part of qemu's SPARC host support [together with Juergen Keil and Dr. Math. Johannes Schindelin], FOX for SPARC, MartUX, recently porting Indiana to SPARC). I think you should re-validate your contributor-sponsoring policy, which is still zero (well, Al Hopper once donated EUR 440,- to me, FROM HIS PRIVATE money. Then one other private person from Sweden has donated EUR 50,- a month ago. Plus two cups of coffee during OSDEVCONF in March and the flight and Hotel and lunch last October. But that's exactly all I ever got. ). My dream of working for Sun (paid day job) also never came true. The funniest thing: I'm still only a plain contributor in the xwin-community, so is Moinak Ghosh!!! Hell, what a joke. I have to rob a bank. Thank you. Yours sincerely former Solaris-fan, soon to be in jail, Martin Bochnig ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] mirroring network packets to zones
On 2014-09-08 15:36, Anil Jangity wrote: I would like to setup “port mirroring” … I would like to mirror network specific packets going to a zone to another zone. What are some approaches I can take to doing this? Does ilbadm/ipfilter support this? I haven’t used Crossbow in a while, so am trying to remember if there is something in there I could use. Take a look at ipfilter. There is a keyword that can be used for such mirroring or to ensure source-based routing: # enforce that packets coming out of an interface go to the correct subnet # rhetoric question: does this skip the firewall rules below in the file? block out quick on vlan186 to vlan81:x.y.z.2 from x.y.z.0/24 to any block out quick on vlan81 to vlan186:192.168.186.2 from ! x.y.z.0/24 to any block out quick on e1000g0 to e1000g81000:x.y.z.2 from x.y.z.0/24 to any block out quick on e1000g81000 to e1000g0:192.168.186.2 from ! x.y.z.0/24 to any Maybe you can similarly forward packets to another VNIC on the same host... Hope this helps, //Jim Klimov ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE
I really hesitated to post anything about OpenSXCE because I didn’t want to open people up to another Martin-bashing contest. And immediately after hitting the “Send” button, I had the thought, “I really should have sent that privately to Peter.” But that thought came just a hair too late, unfortunately. I like Martin a lot. He doesn’t have any interest whatsoever in what I think is important, but I like him. So let’s please not have yet another ugly exchange about him. It’s always easier to find fault with someone than to support him. After all, to support a person takes a lot more work, and virtue. Personally, if I had sparc gear, and couldn’t find a better OS for it, and if I thought OpenSXCE would be a reasonably decent solution for us, I’d offer Martin some money for paid support. I bet he’d be give world-class support for a pittance compared to anyone else — for it would give him some money to eat with. If I’m jumping the gun here, please forgive me — but let’s all please be nice about Martin. There has been far too much fault-finding with him already. For what it’s worth, I’d appreciate it. Cordially, Peter, hieromonk On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Nikola M. minik...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/ 8/14 11:07 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: His mood about the ability of both sides to collaborate did fluctuate over time, but the last I heard from his blog, he did intend to push his sources into the public space. Ne is just wary that more commercialy apt sharks would take his multi-year and multi-dollar investment baby, for granted and for free, earn money for themselves and leave him on the curb One can not protect personal time and work investment in free software projects that way, but with developing in open and in continuing collaborative effort. Best way of protecting your work actually and keep derived work able to be used is to be publicly visible with changes, so no one can tell it is anyone else's contribution, but yours. Word is that people tend to buy support contracts from people that know their stuff and that can fix things for people using software products used in production. One of things that lure people in using free software and software developed with open source model, is that there is not a single party that can produce working product out of code. On contrary, that right is explicitly allowed to the end user/customer with all benefits of being able to change software you are using to better fit yourself. Martin is simply wrong with not releasing and developing in open. it's obviously not doing it any good nor for anyone else. Not to mention licenses for software require code to be released on every binary release to _anyone_. In other words, when asking: What's first, chicken or an egg? Answer is truly: a Chick. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE
On 09/ 8/14 08:25 PM, Dormition Skete (Hotmail) wrote: I really hesitated to post anything about OpenSXCE because I didn’t want to open people up to another Martin- Yeah, maybe that is the case, software and source and what is actually being done, that people appreciate. In my case main differentiator is if something is truly Open or it is not. In first case any type of support is possible. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
