Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Annoying mouse twitchyness [Mate]
On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 05:19:24PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > Gary Mills writes: > > > I found a document on the web that actually explains what > > ConstantDeceleration does. It's this one: > > > > https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration/ > > Looking again now... I feel like Daffy Duck in a few minutes. > > Here is an example from the choices under: > > AccelerationProfile [Integer] > > And this is the one Labeled SIMPLE: > >* Transitions between accelerated/unaccelerated, but with a smooth > transition range. This has the fundamental problem of > accelerating on two niveaus, on which acceleration stays > independent of velocity. Traditionally the default however. > > When I come out of the trance that kind of stuff puts me in.. I'll try > to carry on... hehe. Yes, I feel the same way. That article seems to have been written by someone who is too close to the code, and who knows all the mathematics that's behind it. Fortunately, ordinary people can skip over the complex parts. At least it does provide the names of the variables and possible values for them. That's really all that's needed to experiment with some of the variables. -- -Gary Mills--refurb--Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Annoying mouse twitchyness [Mate]
On 5/8/2017 1:54 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: I vaguely remember from long ago (I think) there is a way to adjust some things on board the mouse itself... but have forgotten what that is. Please see below. I got it in 2013. It says only Deathadder on the back nothing about chroma. Yep, that would be the classic. I'm no gamer and never have been, but: I'm not either, but being able to change a bunch of stuff was why I got it (also, because the left-handed version feels comfortable, and the side buttons moved to the right side, so they stayed under the thumb). Also the manual and addjustments depends on havins specific software installed and it is organized poorly in my opinion. Such things as finding out what the default settings on each button appear to be nearly impossible especially without their specific software. The Synapse software is fairly useful. I already had it installed because I bought a Battlefield 4 keyboard for the solid mechanical keys. The squishy ones didn't give me the feedback I need to know when my tremours cause a double hit. In the Synapse manual, you're wanting to click on the Customization tab, and select the button you want to assign this functionality to. Change the function to "Sensitivity", and follow the text on Page 12. I'm guessing you may want "On-The-Fly Sensitivity", about half-way down the page. Of course, Synapse doesn't run under the OI host OS, but then the Deathadder works just like a normal mouse. I've had no problems with it under Open Indiana (nor the various Linuxes I've used it on, for that matter). I'm finding that moving to the Razer mouse has been very worthwhile, and it's already lasted longer than the Microsnot or Logitech mice I was using before. They kept going belly up on me, and I'm not hard on my equipment at all. I'm not going to be looking back. Rainer ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Annoying mouse twitchyness [Mate]
Gary Mills writes: > I found a document on the web that actually explains what > ConstantDeceleration does. It's this one: > > https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration/ > > It also describes the possible values of that option, as well as other > options that you can use similarly. Some of these options may be > controlled by the mouse settings GUI, but some are likely not. Thanks... I did run across that while googling on this a few days ago before posting here... but went cross-eyed in pretty short order trying to read it. And as mentioned in OP I did try a few settings with xset and xinput. I did not see any change or even anthing noticeably different when I tried a few. Seemed to be totally ignored. Looking again now... I feel like Daffy Duck in a few minutes. Here is an example from the choices under: AccelerationProfile [Integer] And this is the one Labeled SIMPLE: * Transitions between accelerated/unaccelerated, but with a smooth transition range. This has the fundamental problem of accelerating on two niveaus, on which acceleration stays independent of velocity. Traditionally the default however. When I come out of the trance that kind of stuff puts me in.. I'll try to carry on... hehe. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Annoying mouse twitchyness [Mate]
Till Wegmüller writes: [...] > What I understood from your mails is that when you place the cursor on > an edge carefully and then try to catch the edge you can not grab it > as it basicly goes past what you want or not far enough. > > In this case I would put the cause for the twitchyness more on the > mouse and surface interaction than the mouse acceleration, since that > should not trigger noticeably with this kind of movement. > > Could you share what surface you are using? and what mouse? > Are you using a similar mouse on all computers? I did post the mouse make in OP but not the pad: Both are alleged gamers tools. Mouse: Razor DeathAdder Classic Pad: Razor Invicta 2lite dual-sided gaming pad Really not a pad but a piece of ridged aluminum with a smooth and a slightly rough side. Seems to be something like a thin layer of neoprene type stuff covering the aluminum. You can push a fingernail into it slightly. I vaguely remember from long ago (I think) there is a way to adjust some things on board the mouse itself... but have forgotten what that is. I'll have to find the manual online (Just did that but still cannot tell you how it might be done) It's right handed with a rotating center wheel that can also be depressed. The usual left/right (index and and middle finger) depressors then two more press buttons that are about 3/8" wide and 3/4" long in the thumb position on left side. Since I'm now going to dig into it a bit here is the main URL: https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-deathadder Shows a Deathadder chroma and a Deathadder Classic I'm pretty sure it is the DeathAdder classic shown on that page. I got it in 2013. It says only Deathadder on the back nothing about chroma. I'm no gamer and never have been, but: Back then I wanted something to help the sensitive work needed in photoshop like when stripping out background or rotoscoping. I was pretty involved in videography and photography, using photoshop quite a lot... but have since kind of faded out on any graphics work. Was already fading on it even then. I was pretty disappointed in the mouse for that kind of work Also the manual and addjustments depends on havins specific software installed and it is organized poorly in my opinion. Such things as finding out what the default settings on each button appear to be nearly impossible especially without their specific software. ... seemed no better really than the cheapo walmart stuff. Lots of hoohaa about nothing. Just never did get a different one. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] USB 3 on OI Hipster 2017.05
Hello Apostolos, thanks for the post. I'm in need of a new motherboard/CPU myself. Hoping you might share specific model numbers for the group. Sorry if its in here somewhere and I am just overlooking it. Jerry On 05/ 8/17 10:21 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss wrote: Hello, Here is a success story: node name: pci1458,5007 Vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc. Device: VL805 USB 3.0 Host Controller Sub-Vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd binding name: pciclass,0c0330 devfs path: /pci@0,0/pci1022,9604@4/pci1458,5007@0 bus addr: 0 pci path: 2,0,0 compatible name: (pciex1106,3483.1458.5007.1)(pciex1106,3483.1458.5007)(pciex1106,3483.1)(pciex1106,3483)(pciexclass,0c0330)(pciexclass,0c03)(pci1106,3483.1458.5007.1)(pci1106,3483.1458.5007)(pci1458,5007)(pci1106,3483.1)(pci1106,3483)(pciclass,0c0330)(pciclass,0c03) driver name:xhci instance: 0 driver state: Attached usb3-capable-ports: 4 usb2-capable-ports: 1 fm-accchk-capable: TRUE fm-dmachk-capable: TRUE fm-errcb-capable: TRUE fm-ereport-capable: TRUE ddi-forceattach:1 xhci-reroute: 1 usb-port-count: 5 pm-want-child-notification?:TRUE driver-minor: 0 driver-major: 2 root-hub: TRUE pci-msi-capid-pointer: 90 assigned-addresses: 83020010 reg:2 compatible: pciex1106,3483.1458.5007.1 model: Universal Serial Bus XHCI compliant power-consumption: 1 devsel-speed: 0 interrupts: 1 subsystem-vendor-id:1458 subsystem-id: 5007 unit-address: 0 class-code: c0330 revision-id:1 vendor-id: 1106 device-id: 3483 USB ports work perfectly. This is the good news. The bad news is that no one cares about the non-functioning controllers. A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] USB 3 on OI Hipster 2017.05
Hello, Here is a success story: node name: pci1458,5007 Vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc. Device: VL805 USB 3.0 Host Controller Sub-Vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd binding name: pciclass,0c0330 devfs path: /pci@0,0/pci1022,9604@4/pci1458,5007@0 bus addr: 0 pci path: 2,0,0 compatible name: (pciex1106,3483.1458.5007.1)(pciex1106,3483.1458.5007)(pciex1106,3483.1)(pciex1106,3483)(pciexclass,0c0330)(pciexclass,0c03)(pci1106,3483.1458.5007.1)(pci1106,3483.1458.5007)(pci1458,5007)(pci1106,3483.1)(pci1106,3483)(pciclass,0c0330)(pciclass,0c03) driver name:xhci instance: 0 driver state: Attached usb3-capable-ports: 4 usb2-capable-ports: 1 fm-accchk-capable: TRUE fm-dmachk-capable: TRUE fm-errcb-capable: TRUE fm-ereport-capable: TRUE ddi-forceattach:1 xhci-reroute: 1 usb-port-count: 5 pm-want-child-notification?:TRUE driver-minor: 0 driver-major: 2 root-hub: TRUE pci-msi-capid-pointer: 90 assigned-addresses: 83020010 reg:2 compatible: pciex1106,3483.1458.5007.1 model: Universal Serial Bus XHCI compliant power-consumption: 1 devsel-speed: 0 interrupts: 1 subsystem-vendor-id:1458 subsystem-id: 5007 unit-address: 0 class-code: c0330 revision-id:1 vendor-id: 1106 device-id: 3483 USB ports work perfectly. This is the good news. The bad news is that no one caresabout the non-functioning controllers. A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Annoying mouse twitchyness [Mate]
Hey As a Gamer having played with mouse sensitivity for some time I can give some Insight into the different Values and what they do. Mouse acceleration: In Linux this is an exponential value that increases how much the cursor jumps on screen compared to actual Mouse movement done. I prefer this as low as possible as I can adjust my mouse to have high enough sensitivity to cover the whole screen width. Mouse Sensitivity: This value is usually set via the Mouse driver and is directly influenced by hardware. The value basicly describes how many pixels on a screen (one or multiple monitors) you can move with one inch of mousepad space. A normal office Mouse (non Brand) usually has one fixed value of either 1600 or 2400. Meaning you can move 1600 Pixels on an inch of Mousepad space. Pointer Threshhold: How many pixels of movement does it take before the mouse starts moving on the screen. Surface: As far fetsched as it sometimes sound the surface where you place your mouse can be the biggest cause for mouse weirdness. A reflecting surface like glass or a nicely polished wooden office table makes mice go nuts most of the times. Best is a single coloured matt black surface out of a hard material like wood or metal. What I understood from your mails is that when you place the cursor on an edge carefully and then try to catch the edge you can not grab it as it basicly goes past what you want or not far enough. In this case I would put the cause for the twitchyness more on the mouse and surface interaction than the mouse acceleration, since that should not trigger noticeably with this kind of movement. Could you share what surface you are using? and what mouse? Are you using a similar mouse on all computers? --- Greetings Till On 08.05.2017 02:11, Gary Mills wrote: On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 06:32:36PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: Gary Mills writes: You should find an empty directory /etc/hal/fdi/policy/30user . Create a file 10-x11-input.fdi in that directory to reduce the mouse sensitivity. You have to restart HAL or log out and log in again to activate the change. I'll attach the file I used. I don't know if it will work on other desktops. The mouse seems pretty sluggish now and still pretty jumpy too but it is somewhat better... probably about half as difficult to select the corner of an application window as it was before inserting your file... so thanks very much. I found a document on the web that actually explains what ConstantDeceleration does. It's this one: https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration/ It also describes the possible values of that option, as well as other options that you can use similarly. Some of these options may be controlled by the mouse settings GUI, but some are likely not. You will likely have to experiment with options and their values to find settings that do what you want. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
