Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-09 Thread Jonathan Adams
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6o_jmGQm0dWeW45SjhfbklFVlE

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6o_jmGQm0dWSGV6UGE2RExnUU0

it was compiled a while ago ... hopefully it will still work ... I've
not tried again since.

we use SunRays and win2k8 servers with RDP for our accounts system
(running in KVM on Illumos :)) ) so there wasn't much need to
implement it in the end.

Jon

On 8 October 2012 18:05, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote:
 True, but I'm talking about the native SVR4 packages for NoMachine NX
 on SPARC Solaris, already bundles for Solaris 8-10. It may work with
 minimal hacking on OpenIndiana for SPARC.

 Jonathan, could you maybe give me some pointers on how you compiled it
 from source? I was trying to read the documentation that came with the
 source, and it was so confusing that I wasn't able to finish the task.

 I'm a big fan of NoMachine NX, and would *love* to see it in action on
 the Solaris and illumos platforms! I already filed an RFE a while ago
 when the illumos project was originally forked, but I haven't any
 activity since.

 Cheers!

 On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5 October 2012 17:26, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote:
 If SVR4 packages work on the current OpenIndiana, you may want to look
 into NoMachine NX instead. That would probably be your easiest and
 best solution for what you're trying to do.

 www.nomachine.com

 I got this to work relatively well on Solaris 10 (x86) and early
 OpenIndiana (x86) when compiling from source ... but it took a fair
 amount of hacking to get it to use system libraries where they
 existed ...

 there are however no Solaris x86 clients.

 Jon

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-08 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
True, but I'm talking about the native SVR4 packages for NoMachine NX
on SPARC Solaris, already bundles for Solaris 8-10. It may work with
minimal hacking on OpenIndiana for SPARC.

Jonathan, could you maybe give me some pointers on how you compiled it
from source? I was trying to read the documentation that came with the
source, and it was so confusing that I wasn't able to finish the task.

I'm a big fan of NoMachine NX, and would *love* to see it in action on
the Solaris and illumos platforms! I already filed an RFE a while ago
when the illumos project was originally forked, but I haven't any
activity since.

Cheers!

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5 October 2012 17:26, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote:
 If SVR4 packages work on the current OpenIndiana, you may want to look
 into NoMachine NX instead. That would probably be your easiest and
 best solution for what you're trying to do.

 www.nomachine.com

 I got this to work relatively well on Solaris 10 (x86) and early
 OpenIndiana (x86) when compiling from source ... but it took a fair
 amount of hacking to get it to use system libraries where they
 existed ...

 there are however no Solaris x86 clients.

 Jon

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trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-07 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 5 October 2012 17:26, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote:
 If SVR4 packages work on the current OpenIndiana, you may want to look
 into NoMachine NX instead. That would probably be your easiest and
 best solution for what you're trying to do.

 www.nomachine.com

I got this to work relatively well on Solaris 10 (x86) and early
OpenIndiana (x86) when compiling from source ... but it took a fair
amount of hacking to get it to use system libraries where they
existed ...

there are however no Solaris x86 clients.

Jon

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-05 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
If SVR4 packages work on the current OpenIndiana, you may want to look
into NoMachine NX instead. That would probably be your easiest and
best solution for what you're trying to do.

www.nomachine.com

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:57 PM, David Halko davidha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Kumar,

 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Shivakumar Gopalakrishnan 
 ku...@xstorsystems.com wrote:

 Hi Martin

 --- On Tue, 10/2/12, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote:

  From: Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org
  Subject: Re: [developer] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Preliminary Download
 link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without
 installer)
  To: develo...@lists.illumos.org, Discussion list for OpenIndiana 
 openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
  Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 8:19 AM
  On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM,
  DavidHalko davidha...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 [snip]
   Thanks,
   David Halko
   http://svr4.blogspot.com/
   http://netmgt.blogspot.com/
 
  Hi David!
 
  many thanks for your nice comments and +1  :)
  I'm glad to get such feedback.
 
  However, it is still only a LiveDVD and only pre-Alpha stuff.
  No installer yet (and Caiman gui-install and textinstall crash early
  during, it would be a very long story to tell)   ...
 
 [snip]
  it is from a user's point of things. Then you do not want to imagine,
  how one feels as a distribution-constructor!!
  A year is nothing while fighting with IPS  ...

 Maybe you have already evaluated this option, but we have come with a way
 to perform an automated install without requiring a network connection
 while still using IPS.

 Let me know if you need more details on what we did if you think it would
 be helpful for you.


 If it works under SPARC, I would be interested in some alternatives.
 Right now, Martin is the first SPARC distribution out of the gate - would
 love HTTP, TFTP, NFS, or WebNFS options.

 I now have 3 V120's in the test lab:
 - 4 Gig RAM (DVD)
 - 2 Gig RAM (CD-ROM)
 - 1 Gig RAM (CD-ROM)

 Depending on how this goes, will start adding V100's.

 Suggestions appreciated!

 Thanks,
 David Halko
 http://svr4.blogspot.com/
 http://netmgt.blogspot.com/


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-04 Thread David Halko
Hi Rob,

I did not see a posting from you on the list, could it be that you are not
a subscriber?
I will forward your question on to the list.

Hello List,

Can anyone provide a suggestion for how vnc server and gdm can be enabled
on a SPARC headless server?

David Halko
http://svr4.blogspot.com/
http://netmgt.blogspot.com/
P.S. Rob is starting an X Gui wrapper for SVR4 package installers


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Rob Petty rob.a.pe...@gmail.com wrote:

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Rob Petty rob.a.pe...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [developer] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Preliminary Download
 link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD
 (without installer)
 To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
 Cc: develo...@lists.illumos.org


 Hello Martin and all,

 I'm working with David on his SPARC systems (do not have video cards),

 When trying to enable GDM, we're receiving an error:
 /lib/svc/method/svc-gdm: not found

 Any help with this is appreciated.

 - Rob

 (more extensive log follows)

 # svcs gdm
 STATE  STIMEFMRI
 maintenance23:05:06 svc:/application/graphical-login/gdm:default
 # svcs -L gdm
 /var/svc/log/application-graphical-login-gdm:default.log
 # cat /var/svc/log/application-graphical-login-gdm:default.log
 [ start + 135.51s Disabled. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:03:53 Enabled. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:03:55 Executing start method (/lib/svc/method/svc-gdm
 start). ]
 /sbin/sh[1]: exec: /lib/svc/method/svc-gdm: not found
 [ Oct  3 23:03:55 Method start exited with status 127. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:03:56 Executing start method (/lib/svc/method/svc-gdm
 start). ]
 /sbin/sh[1]: exec: /lib/svc/method/svc-gdm: not found
 [ Oct  3 23:03:56 Method start exited with status 127. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:03:56 Executing start method (/lib/svc/method/svc-gdm
 start). ]
 /sbin/sh[1]: exec: /lib/svc/method/svc-gdm: not found
 [ Oct  3 23:03:56 Method start exited with status 127. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:04:30 Leaving maintenance because clear requested. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:04:30 Enabled. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:04:30 Executing start method (/lib/svc/method/svc-gdm
 start). ]
 /sbin/sh[1]: exec: /lib/svc/method/svc-gdm: not found
 [ Oct  3 23:04:30 Method start exited with status 127. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:04:43 Leaving maintenance because disable requested. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:04:43 Disabled. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:05:06 Enabled. ]
 [ Oct  3 23:05:06 Executing start method (/lib/svc/method/svc-gdm
 start). ]
 /sbin/sh[1]: exec: /lib/svc/method/svc-gdm: not found
 [ Oct  3 23:05:06 Method start exited with status 127. ]





 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:57 AM, David Halko davidha...@gmail.com wrote:
  Good Day Martin!
 
  Some of us spent this evening working with your LiveDVD on a V120 with 4
 Gig
  RAM.
  - it takes about 48 minutes to boot
  - we have no video display, so we use the serial console
  - we figured out how to bring up ethernet interface with DHCP and an
  external VNC console
  - we like the nice selection of apps that were included on the desktop
  - we accessed your OI-SPARC via VNC from a SunRay client hosted on a
 Solaris
  10 V240 - very reliable
  - we will need to update scripts on the iso, to make it more useful as a
  live-dvd server environment
 
  This being said, this looks good enough to move forward with! Very
  professional!
 
  As far as an installer, Caiman is not required. With your direction, a
 basic
  installer could be made using existing infrastructure (I see dtksh is
  bundled, meaning X, CLI, and HTTP are all reasonable... I did not look
 for
  fmli yet... a solid bug-free scripting frameworks with small footprint is
  desirable.) Maybe even gdm/xdm on boot for console-less  serial-less
  installs. We may be able to assist here, with your guidance.
 
  I am wondering whether zfsdiff with snapshots may be helpful for release
  management and automatic package creation. SVR4 class-action scripts
 could
  provide for compression support. Sparse SVR4 packages could be made for
  upgrades. Packages could automatically be made available over HTTP to
 pkgadd
  -x option for a wanboot mini-root. Later, pkgadd could install against a
 ZFS
  alternate boot environment. Perhaps zfssend from a build environment,
 named
  by release. There is no reason this could/should not be 100% automated.
 Once
  again, we could help here.
 
  Have you thought about a network boot from OpenBoot, maybe mounting some
 NFS
  network drives from a Solaris 10 platform (until OI-SPARC is stable
 enough
  to self-host)? We have some other V100's and V120's... This could make a
  very nice release management environment (zfs snapshot, boot first box,
  validate, package; zfs snapshot, boot second box, validate, package;
 keep a
  few boxes always live) We would be willing to work on that, if we could
 get
  a little guidance.
 
  I realize everything I said above is very brief, may not be 100%
 technically
  accurate, but I think you can see that I am excited

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-04 Thread David Halko
Hi Kumar,

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Shivakumar Gopalakrishnan 
ku...@xstorsystems.com wrote:

 Hi Martin

 --- On Tue, 10/2/12, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote:

  From: Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org
  Subject: Re: [developer] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Preliminary Download
 link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without
 installer)
  To: develo...@lists.illumos.org, Discussion list for OpenIndiana 
 openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
  Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 8:19 AM
  On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM,
  DavidHalko davidha...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 [snip]
   Thanks,
   David Halko
   http://svr4.blogspot.com/
   http://netmgt.blogspot.com/
 
  Hi David!
 
  many thanks for your nice comments and +1  :)
  I'm glad to get such feedback.
 
  However, it is still only a LiveDVD and only pre-Alpha stuff.
  No installer yet (and Caiman gui-install and textinstall crash early
  during, it would be a very long story to tell)   ...
 
 [snip]
  it is from a user's point of things. Then you do not want to imagine,
  how one feels as a distribution-constructor!!
  A year is nothing while fighting with IPS  ...

 Maybe you have already evaluated this option, but we have come with a way
 to perform an automated install without requiring a network connection
 while still using IPS.

 Let me know if you need more details on what we did if you think it would
 be helpful for you.


If it works under SPARC, I would be interested in some alternatives.
Right now, Martin is the first SPARC distribution out of the gate - would
love HTTP, TFTP, NFS, or WebNFS options.

I now have 3 V120's in the test lab:
- 4 Gig RAM (DVD)
- 2 Gig RAM (CD-ROM)
- 1 Gig RAM (CD-ROM)

Depending on how this goes, will start adding V100's.

Suggestions appreciated!

Thanks,
David Halko
http://svr4.blogspot.com/
http://netmgt.blogspot.com/


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-03 Thread David Halko
Good Day Martin!

Some of us spent this evening working with your LiveDVD on a V120 with 4
Gig RAM.
- it takes about 48 minutes to boot
- we have no video display, so we use the serial console
- we figured out how to bring up ethernet interface with DHCP and an
external VNC console
- we like the nice selection of apps that were included on the desktop
- we accessed your OI-SPARC via VNC from a SunRay client hosted on a
Solaris 10 V240 - very reliable
- we will need to update scripts on the iso, to make it more useful as a
live-dvd server environment

This being said, this looks good enough to move forward with! Very
professional!

As far as an installer, Caiman is not required. With your direction, a
basic installer could be made using existing infrastructure (I see dtksh is
bundled, meaning X, CLI, and HTTP are all reasonable... I did not look for
fmli yet... a solid bug-free scripting frameworks with small footprint is
desirable.) Maybe even gdm/xdm on boot for console-less  serial-less
installs. We may be able to assist here, with your guidance.

I am wondering whether zfsdiff with snapshots may be helpful for release
management and automatic package creation. SVR4 class-action scripts could
provide for compression support. Sparse SVR4 packages could be made for
upgrades. Packages could automatically be made available over HTTP to
pkgadd -x option for a wanboot mini-root. Later, pkgadd could install
against a ZFS alternate boot environment. Perhaps zfssend from a build
environment, named by release. There is no reason this could/should not be
100% automated. Once again, we could help here.

Have you thought about a network boot from OpenBoot, maybe mounting some
NFS network drives from a Solaris 10 platform (until OI-SPARC is stable
enough to self-host)? We have some other V100's and V120's... This could
make a very nice release management environment (zfs snapshot, boot first
box, validate, package; zfs snapshot, boot second box, validate, package;
keep a few boxes always live) We would be willing to work on that, if we
could get a little guidance.

I realize everything I said above is very brief, may not be 100%
technically accurate, but I think you can see that I am excited, and there
are others ready to dig-in and bring this forward. For storage, test
systems, scripting, and automation - we can find some resources. We don't
do C, nor do we do pretty, but we do functional.

Thanks - David Halko
http://svr4.blogspot.com/
http://netmgt.blogspot.com/


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM, DavidHalko davidha...@gmail.com wrote:

  U da man! I will be looking into testing it tomorrow on some machines.
 Thank you for your efforts!
 
  Honestly, I see no value of IPS under OI SPARC since I do not expect any
 software will ever be commercial software made available for IPS under
 SPARC OI since it is so buggy  a moving target.
 
  There is plenty of SVR4 Solaris 10 SPARC commercial software currently
 available. SVR4 packaging is also extensible without code changes. We also
 don't need to do pre/post install/remove scripts, if we choose not to in
 SVR4 packaging.
 
  Thanks,
  David Halko
  http://svr4.blogspot.com/
  http://netmgt.blogspot.com/

 Hi David!

 many thanks for your nice comments and +1  :)
 I'm glad to get such feedback.

 However, it is still only a LiveDVD and only pre-Alpha stuff.
 No installer yet (and Caiman gui-install and textinstall crash early
 during, it would be a very long story to tell)   ...

 As for IPS I could not agree more with you.
 The question is and remains, if we necessarily ___need__ IPS for anything.
 From a user-only's point of view it is already bad enough.
 From a distribution-builder's view I would not even wish my worst
 enemy to experience it (ghhrr!!!).

 Here only one current example: A user's T2000 runs pkg for 8 hours,
 then crashes. To do a thing that would not even be necessary in the
 first place in such a scenario, with SVR4-pkgadd! And this is how ugly
 it is from a user's point of things. Then you do not want to imagine,
 how one feels as a distribution-constructor!!
 A year is nothing while fighting with IPS  ...

 See the thread pkg-discuss] gcc install? under:

 http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/pkg-discuss/2012-October/thread.html

 p.s. I added your SVR4 link to my footer ...

 tnx  rgds,

 %martin
 http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD
   http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/MartUX_SPARC-OpenIndiana/357912020962940
   https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig
 http://www.martux.org (new page not yet online, but pretty soon)

 Forwarding David Halko's: http://svr4.blogspot.com/

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-03 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
I got my Sun Blade 2500 to boot with Martin's build, I made a Google+
photo album with the system and screenshots.

I was unable to get X11 to come up, the screenshots show my efforts.
It has an XVR-1200 framebuffer, and it originally came with an XVR-600
as well, which I pulled.

http://dft.ba/-1Ynd

Hopefully I'll be able to get some progress with openXsun booting, I
may just not know how to do it.

Great work, Martin!


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:57 AM, David Halko davidha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good Day Martin!

 Some of us spent this evening working with your LiveDVD on a V120 with 4
 Gig RAM.
 - it takes about 48 minutes to boot
 - we have no video display, so we use the serial console
 - we figured out how to bring up ethernet interface with DHCP and an
 external VNC console
 - we like the nice selection of apps that were included on the desktop
 - we accessed your OI-SPARC via VNC from a SunRay client hosted on a
 Solaris 10 V240 - very reliable
 - we will need to update scripts on the iso, to make it more useful as a
 live-dvd server environment

 This being said, this looks good enough to move forward with! Very
 professional!

 As far as an installer, Caiman is not required. With your direction, a
 basic installer could be made using existing infrastructure (I see dtksh is
 bundled, meaning X, CLI, and HTTP are all reasonable... I did not look for
 fmli yet... a solid bug-free scripting frameworks with small footprint is
 desirable.) Maybe even gdm/xdm on boot for console-less  serial-less
 installs. We may be able to assist here, with your guidance.

 I am wondering whether zfsdiff with snapshots may be helpful for release
 management and automatic package creation. SVR4 class-action scripts could
 provide for compression support. Sparse SVR4 packages could be made for
 upgrades. Packages could automatically be made available over HTTP to
 pkgadd -x option for a wanboot mini-root. Later, pkgadd could install
 against a ZFS alternate boot environment. Perhaps zfssend from a build
 environment, named by release. There is no reason this could/should not be
 100% automated. Once again, we could help here.

 Have you thought about a network boot from OpenBoot, maybe mounting some
 NFS network drives from a Solaris 10 platform (until OI-SPARC is stable
 enough to self-host)? We have some other V100's and V120's... This could
 make a very nice release management environment (zfs snapshot, boot first
 box, validate, package; zfs snapshot, boot second box, validate, package;
 keep a few boxes always live) We would be willing to work on that, if we
 could get a little guidance.

 I realize everything I said above is very brief, may not be 100%
 technically accurate, but I think you can see that I am excited, and there
 are others ready to dig-in and bring this forward. For storage, test
 systems, scripting, and automation - we can find some resources. We don't
 do C, nor do we do pretty, but we do functional.

 Thanks - David Halko
 http://svr4.blogspot.com/
 http://netmgt.blogspot.com/


 On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote:

  On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM, DavidHalko davidha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   U da man! I will be looking into testing it tomorrow on some machines.
  Thank you for your efforts!
  
   Honestly, I see no value of IPS under OI SPARC since I do not expect any
  software will ever be commercial software made available for IPS under
  SPARC OI since it is so buggy  a moving target.
  
   There is plenty of SVR4 Solaris 10 SPARC commercial software currently
  available. SVR4 packaging is also extensible without code changes. We also
  don't need to do pre/post install/remove scripts, if we choose not to in
  SVR4 packaging.
  
   Thanks,
   David Halko
   http://svr4.blogspot.com/
   http://netmgt.blogspot.com/
 
  Hi David!
 
  many thanks for your nice comments and +1  :)
  I'm glad to get such feedback.
 
  However, it is still only a LiveDVD and only pre-Alpha stuff.
  No installer yet (and Caiman gui-install and textinstall crash early
  during, it would be a very long story to tell)   ...
 
  As for IPS I could not agree more with you.
  The question is and remains, if we necessarily ___need__ IPS for anything.
  From a user-only's point of view it is already bad enough.
  From a distribution-builder's view I would not even wish my worst
  enemy to experience it (ghhrr!!!).
 
  Here only one current example: A user's T2000 runs pkg for 8 hours,
  then crashes. To do a thing that would not even be necessary in the
  first place in such a scenario, with SVR4-pkgadd! And this is how ugly
  it is from a user's point of things. Then you do not want to imagine,
  how one feels as a distribution-constructor!!
  A year is nothing while fighting with IPS  ...
 
  See the thread pkg-discuss] gcc install? under:
 
  http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/pkg-discuss/2012-October/thread.html
 
  p.s. I added your SVR4 link to my footer ...
 
  tnx  rgds,
 
  

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-03 Thread Roel_D
It started with a Sparc, and from the Ray of light the Sun rose once again...



Op 3 okt. 2012 om 20:42 heeft Daniel Kjar dk...@elmira.edu het volgende 
geschreven:

 look like the same issue I had.  Just make the /dev/fb link yourself and 
 delete the lines in /lib/svc/method/xsession that try to determine the link 
 independently.  I have an xvr-1200 as well.
 
 worked great for me after that.
 
 
 
 On 10/ 3/12 12:35 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
 I got my Sun Blade 2500 to boot with Martin's build, I made a Google+
 photo album with the system and screenshots.
 
 I was unable to get X11 to come up, the screenshots show my efforts.
 It has an XVR-1200 framebuffer, and it originally came with an XVR-600
 as well, which I pulled.
 
 http://dft.ba/-1Ynd
 
 Hopefully I'll be able to get some progress with openXsun booting, I
 may just not know how to do it.
 
 Great work, Martin!
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:57 AM, David Halko davidha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good Day Martin!
 
 Some of us spent this evening working with your LiveDVD on a V120 with 4
 Gig RAM.
 - it takes about 48 minutes to boot
 - we have no video display, so we use the serial console
 - we figured out how to bring up ethernet interface with DHCP and an
 external VNC console
 - we like the nice selection of apps that were included on the desktop
 - we accessed your OI-SPARC via VNC from a SunRay client hosted on a
 Solaris 10 V240 - very reliable
 - we will need to update scripts on the iso, to make it more useful as a
 live-dvd server environment
 
 This being said, this looks good enough to move forward with! Very
 professional!
 
 As far as an installer, Caiman is not required. With your direction, a
 basic installer could be made using existing infrastructure (I see dtksh is
 bundled, meaning X, CLI, and HTTP are all reasonable... I did not look for
 fmli yet... a solid bug-free scripting frameworks with small footprint is
 desirable.) Maybe even gdm/xdm on boot for console-less  serial-less
 installs. We may be able to assist here, with your guidance.
 
 I am wondering whether zfsdiff with snapshots may be helpful for release
 management and automatic package creation. SVR4 class-action scripts could
 provide for compression support. Sparse SVR4 packages could be made for
 upgrades. Packages could automatically be made available over HTTP to
 pkgadd -x option for a wanboot min

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer)

2012-10-02 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM, DavidHalko davidha...@gmail.com wrote:

 U da man! I will be looking into testing it tomorrow on some machines. Thank 
 you for your efforts!

 Honestly, I see no value of IPS under OI SPARC since I do not expect any 
 software will ever be commercial software made available for IPS under SPARC 
 OI since it is so buggy  a moving target.

 There is plenty of SVR4 Solaris 10 SPARC commercial software currently 
 available. SVR4 packaging is also extensible without code changes. We also 
 don't need to do pre/post install/remove scripts, if we choose not to in SVR4 
 packaging.

 Thanks,
 David Halko
 http://svr4.blogspot.com/
 http://netmgt.blogspot.com/




Hi David!


many thanks for your nice comments and +1  :)
I'm glad to get such feedback.


However, it is still only a LiveDVD and only pre-Alpha stuff.
No installer yet (and Caiman gui-install and textinstall crash early
during, it would be a very long story to tell)   ...

As for IPS I could not agree more with you.
The question is and remains, if we necessarily ___need__ IPS for anything.
From a user-only's point of view it is already bad enough.
From a distribution-builder's view I would not even wish my worst
enemy to experience it (ghhrr!!!).

Here only one current example: A user's T2000 runs pkg for 8 hours,
then crashes. To do a thing that would not even be necessary in the
first place in such a scenario, with SVR4-pkgadd! And this is how ugly
it is from a user's point of things. Then you do not want to imagine,
how one feels as a distribution-constructor!!
A year is nothing while fighting with IPS  ...



See the thread pkg-discuss] gcc install? under:

http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/pkg-discuss/2012-October/thread.html


p.s. I added your SVR4 link to my footer ...


tnx  rgds,



%martin
http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD
  http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris
http://www.facebook.com/pages/MartUX_SPARC-OpenIndiana/357912020962940
  https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig
http://www.martux.org (new page not yet online, but pretty soon)

Forwarding David Halko's: http://svr4.blogspot.com/

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