Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Nikola M. wrote: > > > I am not sure who is administering mailing list. But I think question of > shorting subjects asks for an answer. openindiana-discuss-ow...@openindiana.org is an alias that goes right to the owner of the mailing list. -M ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On 07/17/11 22:39, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > off would break it. But really, if sorting by mailing list, use the > List-Id: header!) Exactly. I sorted lists for years using subjects and sender. List-Id: header is best way of sorting lists. Thing is that subject lines that are too long are problem with new lists and for older ones, someone was clever enough to put oi instead of Openindiana etc. I think same goes for Illumos mailing lists: They have too long subjects with no reason actually. I am not sure who is administering mailing list. But I think question of shorting subjects asks for an answer. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On 2011-07-17 10:47, Nikola M wrote: What do you think? I'd be surprised if anybody dealing with the level of mailing list traffic that paying attention to several open source projects requires is just dumping all their mail into one box. If they're already sorting things, either through per-mailing-list addresses or through sorting rules (Procmail or the like), the prefix in the subject line is completely unnecessary. (However, I suppose some people might have made the newbie mistake of establishing their sorting rules based on the prefix, in which case taking it off would break it. But really, if sorting by mailing list, use the List-Id: header!) -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
Sriram Narayanan wrote: > Just [oi] sounds good - it'll let us identify mails visually, though > having said that, I now wonder how important that is. > > On Gmail on my Blackberry, I'm able to see the entire subject line, > but my responses come through as top-posts :( > > -- Sriram > > On 7/13/11, Ken Gunderson wrote: >> On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 23:00 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: >>> On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: >>> > On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >> Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is >> this really an issue? Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. >>> I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject >>> I see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." >>> >>> My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from >>> "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of >>> subject line real estate all by itself. >> My suggestion would be to use just "oi" for the general discussion list >> and leave hyphen whatever for more specialized lists, e.g. oi-dev, >> oi-bugs, etc. There are multiple mailing lists in Openindiana, and proposal to shorting subjects on them goes firstly for the rest of the list subjects, not just openindiana-discuss. Subjects starting llike this: [Caiman-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #1024] (New) [G11n-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #1084] ... [Jds-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #879] ... [Pkg-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #879] ... [Sfw-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #1206] ... [Xnv-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #1135] (New) ... should be shorter. Subjects like this: [OpenIndiana-New-developers] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Could be /and could not be made shorter, mainly since discuss is the OI main mailing list. While this ones maybe do not need shortening: [oi-infra] [oi-dev] So the problem with big subjects is for relatively recently added groups, where OpenIndiana could be shortened to OI and Distribution to Dis or something, subject could work without the word "Bug" and all those blank spaces in between like this: [Caiman-team] [OI-Dis-B#1024] (New) [G11n-team] [OI-Dis-B#1084] ... [Jds-team] [OI-Dis-B#879] ... [Pkg-team] [OI-Dis-B#879] ... [Sfw-team] [OI-Dis-B#1206] ... [Xnv-team] [OI-Dis-B#1135] (New) ... Or even: [Caiman-t] [OI-Dis-B#1024] (New) [G11n-t] [OI-Dis-B#1084] ... [Jds-t][OI-Dis-B#879]... [Pkg-t][OI-Dis-B#879]... [Sfw-t][OI-Dis-B#1206]... [Xnv-t][OI-Dis-B#1135] (New)... What do you think? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
Just [oi] sounds good - it'll let us identify mails visually, though having said that, I now wonder how important that is. On Gmail on my Blackberry, I'm able to see the entire subject line, but my responses come through as top-posts :( -- Sriram On 7/13/11, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 23:00 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: >> On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: >> >> >> On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >> >>> Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is >> >>> this really an issue? >> > >> > Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list >> > subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. >> >> I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject >> I see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." >> >> My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from >> "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of >> subject line real estate all by itself. > > My suggestion would be to use just "oi" for the general discussion list > and leave hyphen whatever for more specialized lists, e.g. oi-dev, > oi-bugs, etc. > > > -- > Regards-- Ken Gunderson > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On 2011-07-12 07:33, Christopher Chan wrote: On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 02:00 PM, Gregory Youngblood wrote: On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is this really an issue? Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject I see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of subject line real estate all by itself. +1 Or drop the subject munging entirely! That's all totally wasted space. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 23:00 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: >> On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: >> On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is > this really an issue? >>> >>> Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list >>> subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. >> >> I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject I >> see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." >> >> My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from >> "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of >> subject line real estate all by itself. > > My suggestion would be to use just "oi" for the general discussion list > and leave hyphen whatever for more specialized lists, e.g. oi-dev, > oi-bugs, etc. seems reasonable to me. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 23:00 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: >> On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: >> On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is > this really an issue? >>> >>> Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list >>> subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. >> >> I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject I >> see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." >> >> My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from >> "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of >> subject line real estate all by itself. > > My suggestion would be to use just "oi" for the general discussion list > and leave hyphen whatever for more specialized lists, e.g. oi-dev, > oi-bugs, etc. > > > -- > Regards-- Ken Gunderson +1 Jake ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 23:00 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: > On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: > > >> On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > >>> Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is > >>> this really an issue? > > > > Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list > > subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. > > I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject I > see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." > > My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from > "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of subject > line real estate all by itself. My suggestion would be to use just "oi" for the general discussion list and leave hyphen whatever for more specialized lists, e.g. oi-dev, oi-bugs, etc. -- Regards-- Ken Gunderson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On Jul 12, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >> Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list >> subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. > > I guess most phones should allow for a little longer subjects than that these > days. For instance, my phone shows, for a particular email (bug post) > > [Illumos gate - Bug #1197] Hang after resilver finishe (date) > > Or perhaps we should go back to old > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_abbreviations ? ;) > > Vennlige hilsener / Best regards Just as a sample point: for the subject Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists vertical orientation on my iPhone (4/CDMA) gives me up to Shorter... horizontal orientation gives me the whole line with maybe room for one more short word. That's actually more than I get on my Mac with Mail, because I don't have the window anywhere near full screen width, and I do have an extra column for which mailbox or account, since it has views that are rule-based composites of multiple mail boxes or accounts. So I don't particularly care, myself. And I only read mailing list mail on my phone if I'm away from hom for a number of days. However, if one had a phone with less screen space, or one that wouldn't provide a horizontal view, I can see that it could be a nuisance to have long subject lines. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
> Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list > subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. I guess most phones should allow for a little longer subjects than that these days. For instance, my phone shows, for a particular email (bug post) [Illumos gate - Bug #1197] Hang after resilver finishe (date) Or perhaps we should go back to old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_abbreviations ? ;) Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 02:00 PM, Gregory Youngblood wrote: On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is this really an issue? Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject I see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of subject line real estate all by itself. +1 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Joshua M. Clulow wrote: >> On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >>> Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is >>> this really an issue? > > Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list > subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. I have my mail app on half my screen and with my current setup the subject I see is "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter su..." My suggestion is to change the subject prefix in the list software from "[OpenIndiana-discuss]" to "[oi-disc]" and that will reclaim a lot of subject line real estate all by itself. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
> On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >> Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is >> this really an issue? Yes, it is really an issue. Trying to make sense of mailing list subjects on my phone, for instance, is a bit tiresome. On 12 July 2011 13:11, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > For me, in Thunderbird, the subject is squeezed into about a sixth of the > Thunderbird window, which is about half my screen width. > > It's in the message list that the subject line is important, of course; > where I use it to find things, and such. The fact that the whole thing > shows on the current message in the preview window doesn't really matter > much. Indeed! How many GUI e-mail interfaces actually use the whole window width to display subject lines anymore? And who uses their entire cinematic widescreen display for just one application at a time? I know that I don't. If we can be terse while remaining legible and filterable then I'm all for it. -- Joshua M. Clulow UNIX Admin/Developer http://blog.sysmgr.org ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
On 2011-07-09 14:20, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Nikola M wrote: I would like to propose shorter subjects in the mailing lists. (Caiman-team,G11n-team,Jds-team,Sfw-team, rest are Ok I think) PLEASE Consider shortening Subject lines for Mailing list subjects. PLEASE. Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle>80char subjects. Is this really an issue? For me, in Thunderbird, the subject is squeezed into about a sixth of the Thunderbird window, which is about half my screen width. So, in fact, "Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ntpd not keeping time in sync" is within a few characters of the max that will show without being truncated. And I have a 26" wide-screen monitor for photoshop work; most people have smaller displays. It's in the message list that the subject line is important, of course; where I use it to find things, and such. The fact that the whole thing shows on the current message in the preview window doesn't really matter much. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
> Nikola M wrote: > > I would like to propose shorter subjects in the mailing lists. > > (Caiman-team,G11n-team,Jds-team,Sfw-team, rest are Ok I think) > PLEASE > Consider shortening Subject lines for Mailing list subjects. > PLEASE. Most of us use GUI-based email readers that handle >80char subjects. Is this really an issue? Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk (+47) 97542685 r...@karlsbakk.net http://blogg.karlsbakk.net/ -- I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres intelligibelt. Det er et elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
Nikola M wrote: > I would like to propose shorter subjects in the mailing lists. > (Caiman-team,G11n-team,Jds-team,Sfw-team, rest are Ok I think) PLEASE Consider shortening Subject lines for Mailing list subjects. PLEASE. > > Like: > [Jds-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #1054] dev-148b Gnome Invest > Panel Applet Chart Failure > Could be: > [Jds-team] [OI Dist-Bug#1054] dev-148b Gnome Invest Panel Applet Chart > Failure > Or > [Jds][OIDist-Bug1054] dev-148b Gnome Invest Panel Applet Chart Failure > or even shorter. > > I know that wide screen monitors are now common, > but shorter subjects by default would help in visibility of messages in > Inboxes, > providing most people already filter them by List-Id: header or by other > fields, etc. > > Cheers > Nikolam > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Shorter subjects for mailing lists
I would like to propose shorter subjects in the mailing lists. (Caiman-team,G11n-team,Jds-team,Sfw-team, rest are Ok I think) Like: [Jds-team] [OpenIndiana Distribution - Bug #1054] dev-148b Gnome Invest Panel Applet Chart Failure Could be: [Jds-team] [OI Dist-Bug#1054] dev-148b Gnome Invest Panel Applet Chart Failure Or [Jds][OIDist-Bug1054] dev-148b Gnome Invest Panel Applet Chart Failure or even shorter. I know that wide screen monitors are now common, but shorter subjects by default would help in visibility of messages in Inboxes, providing most people already filter them by List-Id: header or by other fields, etc. Cheers Nikolam ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
