Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Some opt to open their systems while others don't

[Jerry Kemp]

On 10/ 3/17 12:18 AM, Nikola M wrote:

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About free vs proprietary, Openindiana/illumos currently uses Nvidia
proprieatary drivers for desktop graphics cards and even they funcion great and
Nvidia have probably best long term proprietary driver support, AMD lacks same
level of commitment , but AMD now have open source drivers that could be
supported and maintained by illumos community, so more effort and people is
needed on making them work..


Regarding the whole open source vs commercial thing, maybe I have just been 
lucky.  Who knows?  For me, its difficult to see the justification of either 
extreme of the discussion.  I've been doing IT since the late 1980's, and the 
right answer has always been to "choose the best tool for the job", be that 
'best tool' be commercial, open source or something else.


Apple seems to still be making money 'hand over fist'.  I don't follow Red Hat 
as closely, but I assume that Red Hat is still doing similarly as well also, 
monetarily wise.


Hope I'm around long enough to see microsoft finally go down.  Too bad Ballmer 
won't be around for the comedy relief.   I've observed most large/successful 
business have their ups and downs, and also positive and negative contributions 
to the industry and technology.  In my book, no other company comes close to the 
damage done, and for the length of time that gates/ballmer/microsoft did.




Maybe real reaction on this is: Any volunteers to continue porting of illumos to
ARM? :)



Thanks for keeping the ARM thing alive.  I'm not a programmer, but very much 
interested in keeping things moving forward beyond x86/x86 and SPARC.  Hoping 
that everyone can agree on HW and run from there.


I closely watched the 2nd round of PPC, (not 2.5.1, the OpenSolaris one), and it 
was truly a mess, hardware wise.  My personal opinion on PPC, at this stage of 
the game is it is a great CPU in search of an OS.  Yep, I know a lot of Cisco 
routers and switches are running PPC chips, but I don't consider those general 
purpose computers that people would attempt to perform work on.





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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Some opt to open their systems while others don't

[Alex Smith (K4RNT)]

I only wish I had the system engineering training to help port illumos to
an ARM. I'd really like to see that done. If someone else has the
experience, I'd be willing to test on a NVIDIA Tegra K1 based Chromebook.
I'm also putting a Jetson TK1 development board on my Christmas list, which
uses a NVIDIA Tegra K1. You also might want to contact Scaleway, see if
they'd be willing to offer a couple ARM64 servers to use for builds.

Good luck!
-Alex



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On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Nikola M  wrote:

> On 10/ 1/17 10:03 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote:
>
>> I don't believe that this page is anything new.
>>
>> OS X has been open since the beginning, with the exclusion of their
>> "Aqua" GUI, or what ever it is currently called.
>>
>
> Yes, open source core of Apple's OS is called Darwin and were published
> regularly by Apple all these years. Darwin had some open distributions, but
> they couldn't be fully compatible with OSX/MacOS because of those
> proprietary GUI libraries etc.
> I wonder what is new here, since Apple publish it in open (while adding
> their proprietary parts when making a producst) for quite some time.. Ah
> yes, their core of ARM OSes is now open as well..
>
> Even it created success and big income for the company, I think that
> proprietary/one hardware producer combination does not work on market
> anymore.
> Yeah, some of their products are great, yet always overpriced and in
> Europe. Apple, since it's beginning, lacked with support, availability,
> prices and market philosophy and any real presence worth mentioning.
>
> Last time I got excited about any Apple product is when they still had
> rainbow-apple logos on their cases. :) .. and that was the time before
> multimedia PCs and free software operating systems.
> My first OS on internet was Linux with X and Netscape in 1995/6 and since
> then I knew how much everything proprietary basically does not need a
> reason to exist.
>
> While Microsoft killed Nokia and let go the brand and hardware business to
> the other company, for the next 10 years, and violently killed open source
> Symbian project as their strategic move to kill opponents, now Windows
> phone is killed by Microsoft (by as soon as 2018)
> So controlling platform tightly and keep it proprietary, is more the way
> to the abyss then to the bright future of any product, software or hardware
> one.
>
> About free vs proprietary, Openindiana/illumos currently uses Nvidia
> proprieatary drivers for desktop graphics cards and even they funcion great
> and Nvidia have probably best long term proprietary driver support, AMD
> lacks same level of commitment , but AMD now have open source drivers that
> could be supported and maintained by illumos community, so more effort and
> people is needed on making them work..
>
> Maybe real reaction on this is: Any volunteers to continue porting of
> illumos to ARM? :)
>
>
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Some opt to open their systems while others don't

[Nikola M]

On 10/ 1/17 10:03 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote:

I don't believe that this page is anything new.

OS X has been open since the beginning, with the exclusion of their 
"Aqua" GUI, or what ever it is currently called.


Yes, open source core of Apple's OS is called Darwin and were published 
regularly by Apple all these years. Darwin had some open distributions, 
but they couldn't be fully compatible with OSX/MacOS because of those 
proprietary GUI libraries etc.
I wonder what is new here, since Apple publish it in open (while adding 
their proprietary parts when making a producst) for quite some time.. Ah 
yes, their core of ARM OSes is now open as well..


Even it created success and big income for the company, I think that 
proprietary/one hardware producer combination does not work on market 
anymore.
Yeah, some of their products are great, yet always overpriced and in 
Europe. Apple, since it's beginning, lacked with support, availability, 
prices and market philosophy and any real presence worth mentioning.


Last time I got excited about any Apple product is when they still had 
rainbow-apple logos on their cases. :) .. and that was the time before 
multimedia PCs and free software operating systems.
My first OS on internet was Linux with X and Netscape in 1995/6 and 
since then I knew how much everything proprietary basically does not 
need a reason to exist.


While Microsoft killed Nokia and let go the brand and hardware business 
to the other company, for the next 10 years, and violently killed open 
source Symbian project as their strategic move to kill opponents, now 
Windows phone is killed by Microsoft (by as soon as 2018)
So controlling platform tightly and keep it proprietary, is more the way 
to the abyss then to the bright future of any product, software or 
hardware one.


About free vs proprietary, Openindiana/illumos currently uses Nvidia 
proprieatary drivers for desktop graphics cards and even they funcion 
great and Nvidia have probably best long term proprietary driver 
support, AMD lacks same level of commitment , but AMD now have open 
source drivers that could be supported and maintained by illumos 
community, so more effort and people is needed on making them work..


Maybe real reaction on this is: Any volunteers to continue porting of 
illumos to ARM? :)



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Some opt to open their systems while others don't

[Richard L. Hamilton]

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 04:03, Jerry Kemp  wrote:
> 
> I don't believe that this page is anything new.
> 
> OS X has been open since the beginning, with the exclusion of their "Aqua" 
> GUI, or what ever it is currently called.
> 
> Jerry
> 


I don't recall iOS or the Server components on there, not that much of them 
isn't also derived from open source (but mostly BSD or MIT like licenses rather 
than GPL, so they don't have to show us their changes).



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Some opt to open their systems while others don't

[Jerry Kemp]

I don't believe that this page is anything new.

OS X has been open since the beginning, with the exclusion of their "Aqua" GUI, 
or what ever it is currently called.


Jerry




On 10/ 1/17 02:50 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss wrote:

Apple has just open the source code ofall versions of MacOS and IOS.
https://opensource.apple.com/
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A.S.
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Some opt to open their systems while others don't

[Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss]

Apple has just open the source code ofall versions of MacOS and IOS.
https://opensource.apple.com/
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