Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle gives openoffuce to apache
> OpenOffice.org has a Solaris download. And there's even been some effort to > get it going on some of the *BSDs. But over on LibreOffice, I get the > distinct > impression that they do Linux 'cause they want to, and Windows and OS X > because they have to, and don't do others 'cause > they don't have to. > > Far as I'm concerned, the arrogance of a lot of true believers isn't > much better than the shortsighted money and control freaks of Redmond, > Cupertino, Redwood Shores, Armonk, etc. More choices is better than less > choices, period. Agreed! -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Jun 3, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Tom Kranz wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> On 3 Jun 2011, at 03:44, Mark Humphreys wrote: >> >>> TDP does make the source code available. It should just be a matter of >>> determining dependencies, if any, and compiling. >> >> Yes, it *should* be. Having tried to build this stuff on IRIX - stupid >> amounts of work. TDP have not been working with portability in mind. > > Given that it works on FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, OS X and even Windows, > itceratinly seems pretty portable to me. The problems with IRIX may > come more from the fact that the IRIX devtools and build environment > are horribly out of date since the product has been abandoned by its > owners... That's possible. But for any port not actually being built by the core folks, even if the code is there, anything (including makefiles, etc) specific to that port is getting stale unless someone is maintaining it _and_ their changes are returned and incorporated. Not saying one group of folks has to personally support every platform. Just saying that one site _ought_ to reach out to folks that want it on more platforms and work with them. Is that happening? I don't know. Neither of my SPARCs is really set up to be a build server (they're doing other things, and I like 'em fine the way they are, mostly), and my (x86) Mac doesn't have enough RAM to do x86 builds in VirtualBox. Maybe if my next Mac has 16GB RAM rather than 3GB (usable), I'd consider it then, since it would be no big deal to set up a virtual build machine however it needed to be to do the builds, since it wasn't as if I'd use it for anything else anyway. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Tom Kranz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 3 Jun 2011, at 03:44, Mark Humphreys wrote: > >> TDP does make the source code available. It should just be a matter of >> determining dependencies, if any, and compiling. > > Yes, it *should* be. Having tried to build this stuff on IRIX - stupid > amounts of work. TDP have not been working with portability in mind. Given that it works on FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, OS X and even Windows, itceratinly seems pretty portable to me. The problems with IRIX may come more from the fact that the IRIX devtools and build environment are horribly out of date since the product has been abandoned by its owners... Mike ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 3 Jun 2011, at 03:44, Mark Humphreys wrote: > TDP does make the source code available. It should just be a matter of > determining dependencies, if any, and compiling. Yes, it *should* be. Having tried to build this stuff on IRIX - stupid amounts of work. TDP have not been working with portability in mind. - -- Tom Kranz Email: t...@gaeltd.com Skype: siliconbunny Mobile: 07779 149281Phone/fax: 01344 773240 http://www.gaeltd.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/tomkranz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAk3pBpUACgkQCaTe3ZK74hkO1wCeIUBxfk3JGoNXhuNAUn3zBY40 KUUAnjmplkkFqFAnzF/cpSdUVIM08sAR =lhZo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle gives openoffuce to apache
TDP does make the source code available. It should just be a matter of determining dependencies, if any, and compiling. After that, how much work does it take to make an IPS package? :) -- .\\ark ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Jun 2, 2011, at 5:29 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 15:51 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: >>> http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.html >>> >>> Of course the article is terrible and myopic since it assumes that the >>> center of >>> the universe is Linux, which of course is the stupidest thing one can say. >>> >> Unfortunately, in some ways, it is. Like it or not :( > > Unfortunately. For example, I'd really like to be using OI, OS, or > whatever. But reality is that Linux meets my needs on the desktop > workstation front _much_ better. So after much patience and testing of > oi-151b I've reluctantly had to admit that I need to go with Debian > until OI has come along a bit further. Server side 151 release may yet > see some action though. To each their own...whatever. I only run Solaris (SPARC) and OS X (Intel) native at home (save for an occasional BootCamp boot into an XP partition on the Mac); all else under VirtualBox. > In any case, w.r.t. oo.org going to Apache, might this be thinly veiled > (and now relatively meaningless in real world since giving away oo.org > is akin to nothing in light of superior libreoffice) peace offering > following hostilities over other things? The one thing that bothers me about LibreOffice is I don't see a Solaris download, only Linux (too many flavors), Windows, and OS X. OpenOffice.org has a Solaris download. And there's even been some effort to get it going on some of the *BSDs. But over on LibreOffice, I get the distinct impression that they do Linux 'cause they want to, and Windows and OS X because they have to, and don't do others 'cause they don't have to. Far as I'm concerned, the arrogance of a lot of true believers isn't much better than the shortsighted money and control freaks of Redmond, Cupertino, Redwood Shores, Armonk, etc. More choices is better than less choices, period. So whoever ends up with whatever Oracle doesn't want to give to the Document Foundation, I hope they keep the Solaris port alive. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: > First of all you have complained that nothing worked. If nothing works, > then the next logical move is to use something where everything works. If you kids can't stop arguing, I'll pull the list over to the side of the road and make you walk home! ;) -Gary ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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> > Yep. It's official. I'm too stupid and definitely not l337 enough for > OpenIndiana so I should go use Windows or MacOS and not leech off of OI. > Given this state of affairs, it's probably also amoral for me to remain > subscribed to these lists and waste OI.org bandwidth. > > Thanks for helping me work that out cuz I'm surely too challenged > mentally to have worked that out on my own. > First of all you have complained that nothing worked. If nothing works, then the next logical move is to use something where everything works. No one is stupid, but I am sure not many people are patient enough to find a solution to their problem... A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 04:39 -0700, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: > > Unfortunately. For example, I'd really like to be using OI, OS, or > > whatever. But reality is that Linux meets my needs on the desktop > > workstation front _much_ better. So after much patience and testing of > > oi-151b I've reluctantly had to admit that I need to go with Debian > > until OI has come along a bit further. Server side 151 release may yet > > see some action though. > > > > Well in cases like this I suggest people to switch to Windows or MacOS. > In other words, people demand too much without contributing anything. > A.S. > > PS I think Kennedy said something similar but of course in a different > context. Well, gee, guess I'd better do some self examination - I first logged into Unix shell account in 80 or 81. - Been using BSD's (Free and Open) in production since mid to late 90's. - Seasoned sysadmin, certified on HP-UX. - Over the years have provided support to a couple open source projects. - Been Microsoft free on the home front since the new millennium. - Only use MS in business contexts when forced to do so. - Kids have been using *nix since preteen years. Yep. It's official. I'm too stupid and definitely not l337 enough for OpenIndiana so I should go use Windows or MacOS and not leech off of OI. Given this state of affairs, it's probably also amoral for me to remain subscribed to these lists and waste OI.org bandwidth. Thanks for helping me work that out cuz I'm surely too challenged mentally to have worked that out on my own. Have a nice day. -- Ken Gunderson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle gives openoffuce to apache
Shareholders should be pissed for getting the comunity go, in order to keep the current value of the trademark up the project must stay alive, at this very moment the only way they have to keep the project alive is investing money into it... or maybe selling out the whole thing... otherwise, once the project is dead (once the fork took all the atention from it) the value wont be so big anymore. They are donating the project, trading something in order to get their image back (remember that they messed it up badly). What they are doing is natural taking in mind the load of negative marketing they generated. Maybe Apaches will be less pissed after the court issue (another beautifull move), but this is not so nice towards the document foundation... this is about balancing things... Anyway; investing cost money, and giving away relieves from negative marketing. The second is best, even if it involves handling out a trademark. Cheers 2011/6/2 Ignacio Marambio Catán > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz > wrote: > > The name is the only thing Oracle owns at this moment... > > The rest is out there alrready. > > > > What they should do is to donate the trademark to the document foundation > > and stop messing around with the thing. > > > > :-O > > Oracle owns much more than the name, just because it's GPL or whatever > does not mean you can do whatever you want with it. you can certainly > fork it as has been done but the license has to be respected. > Trademarks have value, how could oracle's management justify letting > that go to their shareholders and avoid being sued in the process? > > nacho > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Hillel Lubman > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Ken Gunderson > >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:42 +0100, Jonathan Adams wrote:I'm of the > >> opinion > >> > that LibreOffice would be taking a > >> > step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that > >> > LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, > imo, > >> > more enticing to me as end user - especially in this day and age of > >> > "fake bake" corporate "open source" projects. > >> > > >> > >> It's the matter of taste of course, but for me OpenOffice sounds better. > >> Plus that name is established already, while most users never even heard > of > >> LibreOffice before. So if LibreOffice / OpenOffice can join back under > >> OpenOffice name now, it'll only benefit the project in general IMO. > >> > >> Hillel. > >> ___ > >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > >> OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > >> > > ___ > > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle gives openoffuce to apache
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote: > The name is the only thing Oracle owns at this moment... > The rest is out there alrready. > > What they should do is to donate the trademark to the document foundation > and stop messing around with the thing. > > :-O Oracle owns much more than the name, just because it's GPL or whatever does not mean you can do whatever you want with it. you can certainly fork it as has been done but the license has to be respected. Trademarks have value, how could oracle's management justify letting that go to their shareholders and avoid being sued in the process? nacho > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Hillel Lubman wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Ken Gunderson >> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:42 +0100, Jonathan Adams wrote:I'm of the >> opinion >> > that LibreOffice would be taking a >> > step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that >> > LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, imo, >> > more enticing to me as end user - especially in this day and age of >> > "fake bake" corporate "open source" projects. >> > >> >> It's the matter of taste of course, but for me OpenOffice sounds better. >> Plus that name is established already, while most users never even heard of >> LibreOffice before. So if LibreOffice / OpenOffice can join back under >> OpenOffice name now, it'll only benefit the project in general IMO. >> >> Hillel. >> ___ >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >> OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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The name is the only thing Oracle owns at this moment... The rest is out there alrready. What they should do is to donate the trademark to the document foundation and stop messing around with the thing. :-O On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Hillel Lubman wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Ken Gunderson > wrote: > > > On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:42 +0100, Jonathan Adams wrote:I'm of the > opinion > > that LibreOffice would be taking a > > step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that > > LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, imo, > > more enticing to me as end user - especially in this day and age of > > "fake bake" corporate "open source" projects. > > > > It's the matter of taste of course, but for me OpenOffice sounds better. > Plus that name is established already, while most users never even heard of > LibreOffice before. So if LibreOffice / OpenOffice can join back under > OpenOffice name now, it'll only benefit the project in general IMO. > > Hillel. > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:42 +0100, Jonathan Adams wrote:I'm of the opinion > that LibreOffice would be taking a > step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that > LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, imo, > more enticing to me as end user - especially in this day and age of > "fake bake" corporate "open source" projects. > It's the matter of taste of course, but for me OpenOffice sounds better. Plus that name is established already, while most users never even heard of LibreOffice before. So if LibreOffice / OpenOffice can join back under OpenOffice name now, it'll only benefit the project in general IMO. Hillel. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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> Well in cases like this I suggest people to switch to Windows or MacOS. > In other words, people demand too much without contributing anything. > A.S. I cannot recommend Windows to anyone who doesn't have a specific need for it. People who have not used Windows for a while can balk at the changes they have made since XP, and often less so at the differences to an Ubuntu (10.04) or Debian Installation ... especially if you change the theme to WIndows XP (which I've only done once). If the PC came with a License for Windows, I have no qualms about installing VirtualBox using that License within the Linux shell, but as a core OS I don't recommend. I help people install Windows, but I always recommend something else, and we've converted about 7 people in our Laboratories home PC's to Ubuntu. There are applications that only exist in the Windows world, video editing software just isn't as good on Linux (don't talk to me about Rendering farms, we're talking front end), iTunes only works on Windows (but works fine in VirtualBox), a good proportion of games only work in Windows (although Wine is supporting a good number nowadays) ... However, I'm not sadistic enough to install Solaris on anyone's home computer, although my colleagues have threatened that I will to certain people if they come in again. I run it on my work laptop, it takes about 8 times the resources to do (almost) the same work, and boots exceptionally slowly ... but, for some reason I can't fathom, I still love it ... ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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> Unfortunately. For example, I'd really like to be using OI, OS, or > whatever. But reality is that Linux meets my needs on the desktop > workstation front _much_ better. So after much patience and testing of > oi-151b I've reluctantly had to admit that I need to go with Debian > until OI has come along a bit further. Server side 151 release may yet > see some action though. > Well in cases like this I suggest people to switch to Windows or MacOS. In other words, people demand too much without contributing anything. A.S. PS I think Kennedy said something similar but of course in a different context. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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Am 02.06.11 13:08, schrieb Gabriel de la Cruz: > -The plan was so simple; we purchase sun, kick out the hippies, and make > real business. > -well... > -Does this mean that we cannot sell corporate licenses of openoffice > anymore? > -well.. > -Did anyone wrote a plan B? anyone?... > -... > -What were those indians called? > -Sir, do you mean Apaches? > -Whatever, give it back to them... > -... > > :P Thanks Mate! You saved my day. :-) Cheers ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On 2 June 2011 12:08, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote: > -What were those indians called? > -Sir, do you mean Apaches? > -Whatever, give it back to them... > -... +1 FTW ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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-The plan was so simple; we purchase sun, kick out the hippies, and make real business. -well... -Does this mean that we cannot sell corporate licenses of openoffice anymore? -well.. -Did anyone wrote a plan B? anyone?... -... -What were those indians called? -Sir, do you mean Apaches? -Whatever, give it back to them... -... :P On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote: > I've just read ( > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/oracle_openoffice_apache/page2.html > ) that Oracle will retain the OpenOffice name, so basically they've > given Apache all the code and rights to change the licenses, and then > stopped developing ... way to go Oracle. > > LibreOffice will be much better off staying as "LibreOffice" in that > situation, and the longer it goes on the more they should stay as > LibreOffice anyway. > > If LibreOffice cannot get the OpenOffice branding to own; then I hope > that Apache designate the OpenOffice project as not worth keeping, > which would mean that IBM would have good cause to feel annoyed at > Oracle and, _if_ there is a contract, take Oracle out back and shoot > it :) > > I got excited that Oracle were giving up OpenOffice (I have trained so > many people to use OpenOffice that it is going to be a little hard to > convince them to move to LibreOffice) but I've come to the conclusion > that it's just noise with no real substance. > > Jon > > > Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at w/o going into details. At > > this juncture, I'm of the opinion that LibreOffice would be taking a > > step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that > > LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, imo, > > more enticing to me as end user - especially in this day and age of > > "fake bake" corporate "open source" projects. > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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I've just read ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/oracle_openoffice_apache/page2.html ) that Oracle will retain the OpenOffice name, so basically they've given Apache all the code and rights to change the licenses, and then stopped developing ... way to go Oracle. LibreOffice will be much better off staying as "LibreOffice" in that situation, and the longer it goes on the more they should stay as LibreOffice anyway. If LibreOffice cannot get the OpenOffice branding to own; then I hope that Apache designate the OpenOffice project as not worth keeping, which would mean that IBM would have good cause to feel annoyed at Oracle and, _if_ there is a contract, take Oracle out back and shoot it :) I got excited that Oracle were giving up OpenOffice (I have trained so many people to use OpenOffice that it is going to be a little hard to convince them to move to LibreOffice) but I've come to the conclusion that it's just noise with no real substance. Jon > Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at w/o going into details. At > this juncture, I'm of the opinion that LibreOffice would be taking a > step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that > LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, imo, > more enticing to me as end user - especially in this day and age of > "fake bake" corporate "open source" projects. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:42 +0100, Jonathan Adams wrote: > Apache didn't want OpenOffice originally according to press/blogs of > people in the know ... probably because Apache got bitten over the > whole Java thing. > > There was, however, a contract with Sun to keep maintaining and > improving OpenOffice, which passed to Oracle, and after all the dev > team left and formed LibreOffice Oracle were left with a project that > they couldn't afford to keep up to date (as is seen in the lack of > development in comparison to LibreOffice ... 3.4 due out this week) > > The big thing will be if rather than just giving the code, and control > of the code to Apache they give the name to Apache too ... this is the > only bit missing from LibreOffice, and the only bit worth having from > whats left of the original OpenOffice (yes the plugins on OOo are > good, but most have been transferred to LibreOffice). > > According to the missive from LibreOffice; Apache are keen to talk to > the LibreOffice team, although where those talks lead is yet to be > decided, some people are wondering if Oracle are handing the name to > Apache so as not to lose face by giving it to LibreOffice directly, > and are wondering if that is the only reason that Apache changed it's > mind to "take on" the project. > > Jon > > PS. I'm not affiliated, I'm just interested. Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at w/o going into details. At this juncture, I'm of the opinion that LibreOffice would be taking a step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, imo, more enticing to me as end user - especially in this day and age of "fake bake" corporate "open source" projects. -- Ken Gunderson ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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Apache didn't want OpenOffice originally according to press/blogs of people in the know ... probably because Apache got bitten over the whole Java thing. There was, however, a contract with Sun to keep maintaining and improving OpenOffice, which passed to Oracle, and after all the dev team left and formed LibreOffice Oracle were left with a project that they couldn't afford to keep up to date (as is seen in the lack of development in comparison to LibreOffice ... 3.4 due out this week) The big thing will be if rather than just giving the code, and control of the code to Apache they give the name to Apache too ... this is the only bit missing from LibreOffice, and the only bit worth having from whats left of the original OpenOffice (yes the plugins on OOo are good, but most have been transferred to LibreOffice). According to the missive from LibreOffice; Apache are keen to talk to the LibreOffice team, although where those talks lead is yet to be decided, some people are wondering if Oracle are handing the name to Apache so as not to lose face by giving it to LibreOffice directly, and are wondering if that is the only reason that Apache changed it's mind to "take on" the project. Jon PS. I'm not affiliated, I'm just interested. On 2 June 2011 10:29, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 15:51 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: >> > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.html >> > >> > Of course the article is terrible and myopic since it assumes that the >> > center of >> > the universe is Linux, which of course is the stupidest thing one can say. >> > >> Unfortunately, in some ways, it is. Like it or not :( > > Unfortunately. For example, I'd really like to be using OI, OS, or > whatever. But reality is that Linux meets my needs on the desktop > workstation front _much_ better. So after much patience and testing of > oi-151b I've reluctantly had to admit that I need to go with Debian > until OI has come along a bit further. Server side 151 release may yet > see some action though. > > In any case, w.r.t. oo.org going to Apache, might this be thinly veiled > (and now relatively meaningless in real world since giving away oo.org > is akin to nothing in light of superior libreoffice) peace offering > following hostilities over other things? > > > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 15:51 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: > > > > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.html > > > > Of course the article is terrible and myopic since it assumes that the > > center of > > the universe is Linux, which of course is the stupidest thing one can say. > > > Unfortunately, in some ways, it is. Like it or not :( Unfortunately. For example, I'd really like to be using OI, OS, or whatever. But reality is that Linux meets my needs on the desktop workstation front _much_ better. So after much patience and testing of oi-151b I've reluctantly had to admit that I need to go with Debian until OI has come along a bit further. Server side 151 release may yet see some action though. In any case, w.r.t. oo.org going to Apache, might this be thinly veiled (and now relatively meaningless in real world since giving away oo.org is akin to nothing in light of superior libreoffice) peace offering following hostilities over other things? ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle gives openoffuce to apache
will they give opensolaris to apache as well :P lol On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: > >> >> http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.html >> >> Of course the article is terrible and myopic since it assumes that the >> center of >> the universe is Linux, which of course is the stupidest thing one can say. >> >> > Unfortunately, in some ways, it is. Like it or not :( > > > > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle gives openoffuce to apache
Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.html Of course the article is terrible and myopic since it assumes that the center of the universe is Linux, which of course is the stupidest thing one can say. Unfortunately, in some ways, it is. Like it or not :( ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle gives openoffuce to apache
http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.html Of course the article is terrible and myopic since it assumes that the center of the universe is Linux, which of course is the stupidest thing one can say. A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
