Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Chris]

On 2021-05-04 16:03, John D Groenveld wrote:

In message , Chris writes:

I would _think_ at this point in time pretty much any (recent version of)
OS would have little trouble installing their firmware into the ESP
making (U)EFI multi-boot pretty simple as compared to the trickery
involved in fooling/abusing the MBR to obtain multi-boot. Isn't it
so w/OI? I _also_ haven't tried (yet).


Yes.
OI has no trouble installing its loader into the EFI GPT partition.
If I installed multi-boot frequently, I might find it convenient if
OI did as Project Trident does and integrate Rod Smith's rEFInd into
its installation but I just don't multi-boot frequently.
https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/>

+1 on that. I use it on a "hackintosh" laptop I created. Works a treat.
I also rarely use multi-boot. But thought I'd mention what I did because
it got brought up. ;-)


Regardless, when I have a spare moment, I'll try fix any handbook
sections that are confusing.

Thanks!

--Chris

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[John D Groenveld]

In message , Chris writes:
>I would _think_ at this point in time pretty much any (recent version of)
>OS would have little trouble installing their firmware into the ESP
>making (U)EFI multi-boot pretty simple as compared to the trickery
>involved in fooling/abusing the MBR to obtain multi-boot. Isn't it
>so w/OI? I _also_ haven't tried (yet).

Yes.
OI has no trouble installing its loader into the EFI GPT partition.
If I installed multi-boot frequently, I might find it convenient if
OI did as Project Trident does and integrate Rod Smith's rEFInd into
its installation but I just don't multi-boot frequently.
https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/>

Regardless, when I have a spare moment, I'll try fix any handbook
sections that are confusing.
John
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Chris]

On 2021-05-04 12:59, James Madgwick wrote:

On Mon, 3 May 2021 20:16:28 +0300
Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
 wrote:

Only simple way is to use chainloader (point it to OS partition),
then you are not depending on file system reader implementation etc
etc.

rgds,
toomas


The OI handbook documents use of chainloader just above the text
installer section
(https://docs.openindiana.org/handbook/getting-started/#install-openindiana-using-the-text-installer).

I tested it out a while ago, so far as I can tell it should be
possible to install Linux, MS Windows, OI, BSDs on the same disk.

I only tested it with MBR partition type, not GPT and without (U)EFI.
The handbook says that multibooting is not possible with EFI. I'm not
sure about that, it's possible with other OSs, but as I've not tried it
with OI, I can't comment further.

I would _think_ at this point in time pretty much any (recent version of)
OS would have little trouble installing their firmware into the ESP
making (U)EFI multi-boot pretty simple as compared to the trickery
involved in fooling/abusing the MBR to obtain multi-boot. Isn't it
so w/OI? I _also_ haven't tried (yet).

--Chris


If it was desired to install MS Win + OI + Linux, I would use a
configuration where GRUB was installed to the MBR and used to boot MS
Win (which GRUB can do itself) and Linux, with GRUB's chainloader used
to load the illunos loader. This could be done the other way round with
the illumos loader loading GRUB. However starting from GRUB is more
convenient as all 3 OSs can be shown on the same selection screen.
illumos loader cannot boot MS Win, unless the Windows loader was
installed to a partition, which may not be possible and is certainly
less convenient than booting directly from GRUB.

Cheers,
James

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[James Madgwick]

On Mon, 3 May 2021 20:16:28 +0300
Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
 wrote:
> Only simple way is to use chainloader (point it to OS partition),
> then you are not depending on file system reader implementation etc
> etc.
> 
> rgds,
> toomas

The OI handbook documents use of chainloader just above the text
installer section
(https://docs.openindiana.org/handbook/getting-started/#install-openindiana-using-the-text-installer).

I tested it out a while ago, so far as I can tell it should be
possible to install Linux, MS Windows, OI, BSDs on the same disk.

I only tested it with MBR partition type, not GPT and without (U)EFI.
The handbook says that multibooting is not possible with EFI. I'm not
sure about that, it's possible with other OSs, but as I've not tried it
with OI, I can't comment further.

If it was desired to install MS Win + OI + Linux, I would use a
configuration where GRUB was installed to the MBR and used to boot MS
Win (which GRUB can do itself) and Linux, with GRUB's chainloader used
to load the illunos loader. This could be done the other way round with
the illumos loader loading GRUB. However starting from GRUB is more
convenient as all 3 OSs can be shown on the same selection screen.
illumos loader cannot boot MS Win, unless the Windows loader was
installed to a partition, which may not be possible and is certainly
less convenient than booting directly from GRUB.

Cheers,
James

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Stephan Althaus]

On 05/03/21 06:39 PM, Marc Lobelle wrote:
On "computers", I agree that it's better to run only OI, but there are 
needed applications (Teams, Zoom, and other proprietary stuff you 
sometimes have to use) that do not run on OI (as far as I know) and 
when you travel, carrying 2 notebooks, One OI and one windows, is not 
comfortable, so my notebooks are in dual boot OI/windows and use the 
OI bootloader. The trick is to install windows first(often it is 
preinstalled), use a tool to reduce the NTFS partition, then install 
OI in tjhe freed place and modify the boot menu to add a line for 
windows. As far as I remember, my notebooks use MBR but a 2 TB disk is 
OK on a notebook


The problem of dual boot systems is that you have to stop OI to run 
Windows. Is there now a way to run windows reliably and without 
performance loss and with access to all peripherals  on top of 
openindiana? I would gladly try it.


Thanks

Marc


On 03/05/2021 18:06, Judah Richardson wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:01 AM John D Groenveld  
wrote:



In message 
, "Francis.D" writes:
I had for a while OI in multiboot on the same hard disk. On a 
lenovo T410

Laptop using the same process on OpenBSD and it worked.

I did not test on UEFI

EFI makes multibooting easier, not that I recommend multibooting.


I generally recommend against it too, but I've found it's also not very
useful to question OPs' needs/wants ;)


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Hi!

I have a Windows VM on my OI host, that suits my needs for proprietary 
software.

You could use VirtualBox or bhyve and RDP for this scenario.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss]

> On 3. May 2021, at 20:10, Francis.D  wrote:
> 
> Simple example easy way multiboot with linux system
> 
> http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/how-to-install-OpenBSD-in-a-computer-with-Linux-and-Grub2-td41148.html
> 
> 
> apply same for OI


Only simple way is to use chainloader (point it to OS partition), then you are 
not depending on file system reader implementation etc etc.

rgds,
toomas


> 
> Le lun. 3 mai 2021 à 13:06, Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss <
> openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> a écrit :
> 
>> Partitioning, MBR updates and details like that aside, this is some
>> example about BE menu:
>> 
>> root@test:/home/tsoome# bootadm list-menu
>> the location for the active menu is: /rpool/boot/menu.lst
>> INDEX NAMEDEVICE
>>   TYPE   DEFAULT
>> 0 Disk1   disk0p1:/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
>>  chain -
>> 1 Disk2   disk2:
>>   chain -
>> 2 Disk3_ufs   disk3s1a:
>>  bootfs-
>> 3 openindiana-2021:04:29  rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2021:04:29
>>  bootfs*
>> 
>> 
>> and corresponding menu file:
>> 
>> root@test:/home/tsoome# more /rpool/boot/menu.lst
>> title Disk1
>> chain disk0p1:/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
>> title Disk2
>> chain disk2:
>> title Disk3_ufs
>> bootfs disk3s1a:
>> title openindiana-2021:04:29
>> bootfs rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2021:04:29
>> 
>> 
>> Here, Disk1 and Disk2 are examples of chain loading, Disk1 is example of
>> UEFI and Disk2 is example of BIOS boot. Disk3_ufs is example of illumos
>> boot from ufs or pcfs file system (fstype needs to be set still).
>> 
>> bootadm can also list and manage the menu entries, but the syntax is too
>> complicated and [bootadm] needs work.
>> 
>> rgds,
>> toomas
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3. May 2021, at 17:26, Judah Richardson 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If the PC BIOS, boot disk size, and the other OSes support legacy boot,
>>> yes. Otherwise I wouldn't say it's not possible but you're likely to
>>> encounter significant difficulty.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2021, 09:18 Yassine Chaouche <
>> a.chaou...@algerian-radio.dz>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello OpenIndiana users,
 
 Is it possible to install OpenIndiana alongside other
 OSes on same PC with a single disk ? I don't know if
 disk partitions exist in the Unix world or if is sees
 the disks differently (I heard of slices instead of
 partitions in some OSes)
 
 Feedback appreciated.
 
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Francis.D]

Simple example easy way multiboot with linux system

http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/how-to-install-OpenBSD-in-a-computer-with-Linux-and-Grub2-td41148.html


apply same for OI

Le lun. 3 mai 2021 à 13:06, Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss <
openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> a écrit :

> Partitioning, MBR updates and details like that aside, this is some
> example about BE menu:
>
> root@test:/home/tsoome# bootadm list-menu
> the location for the active menu is: /rpool/boot/menu.lst
> INDEX NAMEDEVICE
>TYPE   DEFAULT
> 0 Disk1   disk0p1:/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
>   chain -
> 1 Disk2   disk2:
>chain -
> 2 Disk3_ufs   disk3s1a:
>   bootfs-
> 3 openindiana-2021:04:29  rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2021:04:29
>   bootfs*
>
>
> and corresponding menu file:
>
> root@test:/home/tsoome# more /rpool/boot/menu.lst
> title Disk1
> chain disk0p1:/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
> title Disk2
> chain disk2:
> title Disk3_ufs
> bootfs disk3s1a:
> title openindiana-2021:04:29
> bootfs rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2021:04:29
>
>
> Here, Disk1 and Disk2 are examples of chain loading, Disk1 is example of
> UEFI and Disk2 is example of BIOS boot. Disk3_ufs is example of illumos
> boot from ufs or pcfs file system (fstype needs to be set still).
>
> bootadm can also list and manage the menu entries, but the syntax is too
> complicated and [bootadm] needs work.
>
> rgds,
> toomas
>
>
> > On 3. May 2021, at 17:26, Judah Richardson 
> wrote:
> >
> > If the PC BIOS, boot disk size, and the other OSes support legacy boot,
> > yes. Otherwise I wouldn't say it's not possible but you're likely to
> > encounter significant difficulty.
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2021, 09:18 Yassine Chaouche <
> a.chaou...@algerian-radio.dz>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello OpenIndiana users,
> >>
> >> Is it possible to install OpenIndiana alongside other
> >> OSes on same PC with a single disk ? I don't know if
> >> disk partitions exist in the Unix world or if is sees
> >> the disks differently (I heard of slices instead of
> >> partitions in some OSes)
> >>
> >> Feedback appreciated.
> >>
> >> -- Yassine.
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss]

Partitioning, MBR updates and details like that aside, this is some example 
about BE menu:

root@test:/home/tsoome# bootadm list-menu 
the location for the active menu is: /rpool/boot/menu.lst
INDEX NAMEDEVICE
 TYPE   DEFAULT
0 Disk1   disk0p1:/efi/boot/bootx64.efi 
 chain -
1 Disk2   disk2:
 chain -
2 Disk3_ufs   disk3s1a: 
 bootfs-
3 openindiana-2021:04:29  rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2021:04:29 
 bootfs*


and corresponding menu file:

root@test:/home/tsoome# more /rpool/boot/menu.lst 
title Disk1
chain disk0p1:/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
title Disk2
chain disk2:
title Disk3_ufs
bootfs disk3s1a:
title openindiana-2021:04:29
bootfs rpool/ROOT/openindiana-2021:04:29


Here, Disk1 and Disk2 are examples of chain loading, Disk1 is example of UEFI 
and Disk2 is example of BIOS boot. Disk3_ufs is example of illumos boot from 
ufs or pcfs file system (fstype needs to be set still).

bootadm can also list and manage the menu entries, but the syntax is too 
complicated and [bootadm] needs work.

rgds,
toomas


> On 3. May 2021, at 17:26, Judah Richardson  wrote:
> 
> If the PC BIOS, boot disk size, and the other OSes support legacy boot,
> yes. Otherwise I wouldn't say it's not possible but you're likely to
> encounter significant difficulty.
> 
> On Mon, May 3, 2021, 09:18 Yassine Chaouche 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello OpenIndiana users,
>> 
>> Is it possible to install OpenIndiana alongside other
>> OSes on same PC with a single disk ? I don't know if
>> disk partitions exist in the Unix world or if is sees
>> the disks differently (I heard of slices instead of
>> partitions in some OSes)
>> 
>> Feedback appreciated.
>> 
>> -- Yassine.
>> 
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Marc Lobelle]

On "computers", I agree that it's better to run only OI, but there are 
needed applications (Teams, Zoom, and other proprietary stuff you 
sometimes have to use) that do not run on OI (as far as I know) and when 
you travel, carrying 2 notebooks, One OI and one windows, is not 
comfortable, so my notebooks are in dual boot OI/windows and use the OI 
bootloader. The trick is to install windows first(often it is 
preinstalled), use a tool to reduce the NTFS partition, then install OI 
in tjhe freed place and modify the boot menu to add a line for windows. 
As far as I remember, my notebooks use MBR but a 2 TB disk is OK on a 
notebook


The problem of dual boot systems is that you have to stop OI to run 
Windows. Is there now a way to run windows reliably and without 
performance loss and with access to all peripherals  on top of 
openindiana? I would gladly try it.


Thanks

Marc


On 03/05/2021 18:06, Judah Richardson wrote:

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:01 AM John D Groenveld  wrote:


In message 
, "Francis.D" writes:

I had for a while OI in multiboot on the same hard disk. On a lenovo T410
Laptop using the same process on OpenBSD and it worked.

I did not test on UEFI

EFI makes multibooting easier, not that I recommend multibooting.


I generally recommend against it too, but I've found it's also not very
useful to question OPs' needs/wants ;)


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss]

 I have a laptop that boots XP, Linux and Solaris. That cost me about a dozen 
install attempts to make work. Then I never used it as I was able to avoid 
traveling.

Subsequently I've always simply swapped hard drives when I wanted to switch the 
OS. I did recently set up to dual boot Windows 7 and Debian 10 for lack of SATA 
caddies.

Reg


 On Monday, May 3, 2021, 11:07:38 AM CDT, Judah Richardson 
 wrote:  
 
 On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:01 AM John D Groenveld  wrote:

> In message  3ab...@mail.gmail.com>
> , "Francis.D" writes:
> >I had for a while OI in multiboot on the same hard disk. On a lenovo T410
> >Laptop using the same process on OpenBSD and it worked.
> >
> >I did not test on UEFI
>
> EFI makes multibooting easier, not that I recommend multibooting.
>
I generally recommend against it too, but I've found it's also not very
useful to question OPs' needs/wants ;)

>
> John
> groenv...@acm.org
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

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On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:01 AM John D Groenveld  wrote:

> In message  3ab...@mail.gmail.com>
> , "Francis.D" writes:
> >I had for a while OI in multiboot on the same hard disk. On a lenovo T410
> >Laptop using the same process on OpenBSD and it worked.
> >
> >I did not test on UEFI
>
> EFI makes multibooting easier, not that I recommend multibooting.
>
I generally recommend against it too, but I've found it's also not very
useful to question OPs' needs/wants ;)

>
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> groenv...@acm.org
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

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In message 
, "Francis.D" writes:
>I had for a while OI in multiboot on the same hard disk. On a lenovo T410
>Laptop using the same process on OpenBSD and it worked.
>
>I did not test on UEFI

EFI makes multibooting easier, not that I recommend multibooting.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss]

 Yes it is possible, however, it can be tricky preventing one installer from 
stepping on another OS. In particular Linux and Solaris partitions use the same 
number to denote partition type. The way around that is to use fdisk to change 
the partition type to DOS or similar, install and then fix the type after the 
install has completed.

In OI/Illumos "partition" refers to the DOS MBR partition table. To avoid 
confusion, OI/Illumos use the term "slice" to subdivide the Solaris portion of 
the MBR "partition".

Unfortunately, MBR limits the usable disk to 2 TB. In principle a GPT/UEFI 
label will allow booting multiple OSes. I do not know how well that actually 
would work at present. The general documentation is rather skimpy.

Reg


 On Monday, May 3, 2021, 09:18:25 AM CDT, Yassine Chaouche 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello OpenIndiana users,

Is it possible to install OpenIndiana alongside other
OSes on same PC with a single disk ? I don't know if
disk partitions exist in the Unix world or if is sees
the disks differently (I heard of slices instead of
partitions in some OSes)

Feedback appreciated.

-- Yassine.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[John D Groenveld]

In message <2f37e748-dfff-9d9d-cd6b-608ed2620...@algerian-radio.dz>, Yassine Ch
aouche writes:
>Is it possible to install OpenIndiana alongside other
>OSes on same PC with a single disk ? I don't know if

Yes.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Multiboot on PC

[Judah Richardson]

If the PC BIOS, boot disk size, and the other OSes support legacy boot,
yes. Otherwise I wouldn't say it's not possible but you're likely to
encounter significant difficulty.

On Mon, May 3, 2021, 09:18 Yassine Chaouche 
wrote:

> Hello OpenIndiana users,
>
> Is it possible to install OpenIndiana alongside other
> OSes on same PC with a single disk ? I don't know if
> disk partitions exist in the Unix world or if is sees
> the disks differently (I heard of slices instead of
> partitions in some OSes)
>
> Feedback appreciated.
>
> -- Yassine.
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