Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Any hardware snafus in this lineup?

[Harry Putnam]

Philip Robar  writes:

> I forgot one thing. The Avoton boards have not been tested with Solaris,
> OpenIndiana or any of its derivates. Lots of people are asking about them
> for this use, but no results yet that I know of yet.

I don't really have any comment on Avoton.

I mainly wanted to give you a belated very deeply felt thank you for
what is probably the most in depth coverage of this kind of topic I've
ever seen.

I suppose if I hung with the heavy hitters, I might have, but the
detail and depth of coverage was very gracious of your time and
effort.

You've laid out so many things to think about I'm a little overwhelmed
but conversely... I can't really think of a better way or source to
ease my confusing steps thru this sort of stuff.

As it happens, I'm now in the throws of closing on property which will
be my new home and so have plenty on my hands. 

I'm not in a teriffic hurry to get this server built so do have the
time to go thru your thorough coverage with much better legup than I
had at starting.

A serious piece of reference to have in my mind as watch for equipment
for the server.

Oh, and about not knowing where I came up with $700+ statement... I'm
sure I must have slipped over into the highend stuff thinking I was still
following your suggestions... so best to just ignore it as a blunder.

I'm seroiusly skill and knowledge challenged in this field.  I'm
retired from life as a field construction Boilermaker... high pressure
welder, high rigger etc etc ending with lots of sledge hammer swinging
to go with it, so a tad bit out of my depth here.  

So once more, thank you for providing serious wealth of information.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] smb/server not getting a socket - service fails

[Harry Putnam]

Setup:
  Running oi -b 151_a8 as guest in a Vbox vm on win7 host. (Most
  recent Vbox)

I'm getting this error message from the smb/server on boot

From: /var/svc/log/network-smb-server:default.log

  [ Mar 28 13:27:06 Executing start method ("/usr/lib/smbsrv/smbd start"). ]
  smbd: NetBIOS services started
  smbd: kernel bind error: Address already in use
  smbd: daemon initialization failed
  [ Mar 28 13:27:06 Method "start" exited with status 95. ]

Some kind of socket confusion I guess.

I set the server up quite a while back, but then the os sat unused for
several months... I don't recall having this problem or maybe just
didn't notice it, but I would have been using it if the server ran
more than a few hours.

Anyway, it appears there were similar incidences in Nov and Dec but
worked in between, and then the OS started growing cobwebs about the
end of Dec, until just a couple of weeks ago.

The googling I've done turned up some similar log messages but back
2009 and did not appear to apply to me.

Is this something that has a known cure... or can anyone offer any
suggestions about it.

Any suggestions or a brief general outline of how I might go about
tracking this down?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] where does oi stand with illumos

[Harry Putnam]

I've lost track of developments regarding where things stand between
OI and Illumos.

I see many of the same posters in both lists... And from the posts,
I'm getting the impression that if one updates beyond 151_a8, they
would then be running Illumos.

Can anyone clarify that matter?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Massive update -- possible big mess?

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: oi -b 151_a8 running in A vbox vm on win7 64bit host.

The OS was installed into the vbox vm some 6-8 mnths ago.

I let it set from Dec 2013 until a week or so ago.

uname:
 SunOS oi 5.11 oi_151a8 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris

I ran the pkg manager in gui to get a good look at available updates.
By that, I see 897 pkgs that need updating... or maybe more accurate
to say 897 that have available updates.

I'm wondering if that scale of update might be a time I can expect the
likely hood of a host of problems, lots of follow up humping and
bumping or the like.

Looking at just the 450 pkgs that show up in the `system' section, I
see piles of language pkgs.  

Simce I'm pretty green running oi, I'd like to take the least
complicated approach to updating.

Is it worth while to weed out all the extraneous language pkgs? 
Is all that extra language stuff just part of a default install?

I guess, what I'm after is for someone to outline briefly what is
likely to happen if I just run the update with no pruning.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] where does oi stand with illumos

[Harry Putnam]

Jim Klimov  writes:

> On 2014-03-28 20:07, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> I've lost track of developments regarding where things stand between
>> OI and Illumos.
>>
>> I see many of the same posters in both lists... And from the posts,
>> I'm getting the impression that if one updates beyond 151_a8, they
>> would then be running Illumos.
>>
>> Can anyone clarify that matter?
>
> In Linux-like terms, "illumos" is closer to a "kernel", while "OI"
> is one of many distributions based on this kernel (either "vanilla"
> or a forked version).
>
> Actually, the "illumos-gate" (the repository name) and its compiled
> products are also known as an "OS/Net consolidation", in that they
> include not only the kernel and drivers per se, but also much of
> the core software needed for running a Solaris-like OS, like the
> system shell, many of the management programs and daemons, etc.
>
> It is also quite possible to replace the "illumos" part in an OI
> installation with your own compiled most-recent one, though if you
> take the "vanilla" sources, you'd lose the OI branding on your own
> updated kernel (AFAIK there are no other changes in OI branch,
> unlike some of the other distros which can diverge noticeably).
> Not that branding is hard to re-apply... and I actually planned
> on writing about that on the Wikis sometime in the future ;)

Thanks for that... its much more than I ever knew.  But also seems
hard to get a handle on.

When one uses the software manager gui to do a upgrade, on an os
installed from oi-dev-151a8*.iso, I see the 'Publisher defaults to
openindiana.org/dev. So does an upgrade involve pulling stuff from
illumos-gate?
 
I think I'm not grasping the idea here.  Sorry if I seem pretty dense.
The fact is, I am pretty dense

Is illumos a stand alone operating system?  

When one installs from an oi-dev-151a8-live-x86.iso is one installing
both illumos and a sort of wrapper of oi?
It does say 'powered by illumos'



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] smb/server not getting a socket - service fails

[Harry Putnam]

Jim Klimov  writes:

[...]

>
> Did you test it at "face value" - i.e. that you have some daemon
> already serving cifs (i.e. "samba" and "smb/server" both enabled)
> or otherwise holding the ip:port in question?

Ahhh ..errm... no.  

[...]

Marion Hakanson  writes:

[...]

Marion H wrote:
> Harry,
>
> This error message in general means that the socket is already in use.
> In practice, it usually means the service is already (still?) running,
> but it could also mean that something else (maybe "samba") is making
> use of the socket.
>
> You may find a clue using "netstat -a" (or "-an"), and look for ports
> 445, 137, 138, 139 being in use.  445 would be used by both the
> kernel CIFS (smb/server) and by samba, for example.  So only one such
> service could be running at a time.

Egad... It was something simple after all.  You both guessed it.  I
foolishly had them both starting on boot.

I disabled them both, then enabled smb/server it started cleanly.

Man, I had already decided that error message was cloaking something
much deeper and complicated beyond all reason...

Sorry to have wasted both of your times.  But at least your clues made
me get my thinking cap on... I should have thought of
netstat... thanks for the tips... both of you.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] where does oi stand with illumos

[Harry Putnam]

Bob Friesenhahn  writes:

> On Fri, 28 Mar 2014, Harry Putnam wrote:
>>
>> When one uses the software manager gui to do a upgrade, on an os
>> installed from oi-dev-151a8*.iso, I see the 'Publisher defaults to
>> openindiana.org/dev. So does an upgrade involve pulling stuff from
>> illumos-gate?
>
> No.  OpenIndiana is entirely independent of Illumos.
>
>> I think I'm not grasping the idea here.  Sorry if I seem pretty dense.
>> The fact is, I am pretty dense
>>
>> Is illumos a stand alone operating system?
>
> Only sort of.  While it is the core of the operating system, it is not
> an installable OS in the normal sense.  Probably it could be made to
> boot and run by someone who knows how to do that.
>
>> When one installs from an oi-dev-151a8-live-x86.iso is one installing
>> both illumos and a sort of wrapper of oi?
>> It does say 'powered by illumos'
>
> The OpenIndiana team uses source code from Illumos to create the core
> operating system but adds huge amounts of packages and an installer on
> top of it.

OK, I think I'm catching on... thanks


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] [io in Vbox vm] Will this work?

[Harry Putnam]

Running: oi -b 151_a8 in vbox vm on win7 host.

Before doing an update of nearly one thousand pkgs I think I'd like to
make a full clone.

I've set my zpools up in paired mirros of 2 disks each. Four in all.

A couple of them have several hundred GB each in the z fs's.

I'd like to take those two pools off line before cloning by
offline, I don't mean anything in oi, but to simply make them
unavailable at the location where vbox-oi expects them.

I've learned from previous occurrences where I inadvertently caused
some disks to be unavailable... that OI has no real problems with
that.

I can shutdown, make them available and restart then carry on like
usual

So, if I make the clone with the biggest zpools offline, then make the
clone, I'm pretty sure I could make the disks available, start the
clone (if it turns out I need to) and carry on.

Can any one say if that sounds completely crazy or maybe offer some
other way to avoid having to deal with 500 GB of data while making a
clone?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [io in Vbox vm] Will this work?

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:


[...]

Typo correction:

> So, if I make the clone with the biggest zpools offline, then make the
^
discs


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Anyone know if illumos groups are down?

[Harry Putnam]

I follow these solaris groups on gmane.  I posted a message yesterday
on gmane.os.illumos.zfs, and to day one on gmane.os.illumos.general

Neither post has appeared. Oh and yes I've been thru the gmane
authorization process already and have make several posts on illumos
... zfs recently.

This query may be a little out of place here, but I know many of the
same people use and post to both groups.so wondering if illumos groups
are having some difficulty?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] 'less' Esc sequences in peldoc output

[Harry Putnam]

Running 151_a8 as guest in vbox vm on win 7 host

I get esc sequences in perldoc output that makes it hard to read.  A
small sample is included at the end.

I vaguely remember having to make some kind of LANG or related
variable adjustment in the past for this problem...

But cannot remember now what was done.

I am using less as pager.

Anyone know what needs to be adjusted so that the perldoc pages clear
up?


Sample (a snippet from "perldoc Cwd"):

ESC[1mNAMEESC[0m
 Cwd − get pathname of current working directory

ESC[1mSYNOPSISESC[0m
 use Cwd;
 my $dir = getcwd;

 use Cwd 'abs_path';
 my $abs_path = abs_path($file);

ESC[1mDESCRIPTIONESC[0m
 This module provides functions for determining the pathname
 of the current working directory.  It is recommended that
 getcwd (or another *ESC[4mcwd()ESC[24m function) be used in 
ESC[4mallESC[24m code to
 ensure portability.

 By default, it exports the functions ESC[4mcwd()ESC[24m, 
ESC[4mgetcwd()ESC[24m,
 ESC[4mfastcwd()ESC[24m, and ESC[4mfastgetcwd()ESC[24m (and, on Win32, 
ESC[4/tmp/xFkMcR5f3E 



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 'less' Esc sequences in peldoc output

[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Pyhalov  writes:

> Harry Putnam писал 03.04.2014 22:28:
>> Running 151_a8 as guest in vbox vm on win 7 host
>>
>> I get esc sequences in perldoc output that makes it hard to read.  A
>> small sample is included at the end.
>>
>> I vaguely remember having to make some kind of LANG or related
>> variable adjustment in the past for this problem...
>>
>> But cannot remember now what was done.
>>
>> I am using less as pager.
>>
>> Anyone know what needs to be adjusted so that the perldoc pages clear
>> up?
>
> Hello.
> A bit of googling gives
>
> export PERLDOC_PAGER='less -r'
>

Has no effect here.  I still see the same escape sequences


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 'less' Esc sequences in peldoc output

[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Pyhalov  writes:


[...]

> Hello.
> A bit of googling gives
>
> export PERLDOC_PAGER='less -r'


I was too hasty in my response.  I said it had no effect for me.  And
that it is true the line above does not help here.

However, if I apply your tip to PAGER instead of PERLDOC_PAGER then it
clears things right up.

PAGER was already set to 'less -ins' .  I don't recall now where I got
that bit of advice.

But changing it to `export "PAGER=less -rins"'  has cleared things
right up.

Apparently the -r makes less display control char as 'raw' control
char, and somehow that makes the display work.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 'less' Esc sequences in peldoc output

[Harry Putnam]

James Carlson  writes:

> On 04/03/14 14:28, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> ESC[1mNAMEESC[0m
>>  Cwd − get pathname of current working directory
>
> At a guess, your TERM setting doesn't match the actual terminal emulator
> you're using.
>
> There are many terminal emulators around -- including an extended vt102
> emulator built into xterm, emulators built into various Windows
> applications, and so on.  It would help if you could provide precise
> details on how you're connecting *to* your system and how you're
> displaying the results.

It appears that Alexander P has provided the help needed... adding -r
to less switches.

I'm logged in at the oi terminal

My emulater is /usr/bin/xterm

  echo $TERM
  xterm

> I would expect you get different results depending on how you connect
> (e.g., Putty on Windows versus actual OI console running an xterm).

Thanks for the helpful input... yes I should have known to include
info about the terminal.

Yes, the first two you mention and including ssh from linux running
xterm, all work as expected... that is, no control char in perldoc
output.

It was only logged in at oi terminal running X and xterm, that showed
the problem.

Now apparently cured by adding -r switch to less.

However, it was not the variable PERLDOC_PAGER that did the trick but the
variable PAGER is where applying -r to less did the job.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 'less' Esc sequences in peldoc output

[Harry Putnam]

Oscar del Rio  writes:

> On 04/ 3/14 11:44 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> However, it was not the variable PERLDOC_PAGER that did the trick but the
>> variable PAGER is where applying -r to less did the job.
>
> From "perldoc perldoc":
>
>  "perldoc" will use, in order of preference, the pager
>  defined in "PERLDOC_PAGER", "MANPAGER", or "PAGER" before
>  trying to find a pager on its own.

Thanks, yeah, I had assumed... once I noticed it worked on PAGER but
not on PERLDOC_PAGER that there was some kind of pecking order
involved.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool errors a bit confusing

[Harry Putnam]

I don't have enough experience to know if the `zpool status -v' errors
I'm seeing are serious or what.  So, went to the recommended site:
illumos.org/msg/ZFS-800-8A

Which left me with the impression that I must be seeing something
unusual. 

It appears from the `zpool status' output on that site that the problem
referred to is actually in a file[s], whereas what I'm seeing appears to
be in directories.  zfs filesytem directories with [...]/.zfs. 

I will post further along the actual `zpool status -v' output for the
two problem pools but first I wanted to try to explain a bit of what
is going on it may be way off base compared to what experienced
folks do.

I notice that one of the cited directories in each pool that is
mentioned as a problem, is the mountpoint of the poolname.  I did do
something that may be ill-advised before noticing the errors. And may
even be the cause of them.

The pools I created all seemed to automatically find mountpoints on
'/'.  I guess that is default behavior. 

That is, if I create a pool: p/some/dir.
I then see /p  appear on '/'.

But, since I also wanted some of the first portion of the system like:
p1/HERE to be mounted on '/HERE' (That is, on '/') too. And as you can
surmise, with very much of that and '/' will be really cluttered.

OK, I decided I would rather have the pools all have their mountpoints
in one directory on '/' instead of having a pile of pools on '/'

so instead of /p1 /p2 /p3 /p4 [...] I would have

/p/p1 /p/p2 [...]
 
So '/p' would be the only point on '/' and all pools would be under /p

Maybe that is a dingy or even harmful thing to do.  I just set the
mountpoint of each pool to be mounted under /p.

If that is a bad thing, then it may be the cause of these messages.
However it only appears on two out of four pools and all of them have
there mountpoints under /p/

Below is the output from two pools (p3 p4) that show the problem.  I
snipped away the body of the `zpool' output in the second (p4) since
it was the same. I did include the actual directories mentioned in p4.

`zpool status -v pool' shows only directories as the 'corrupted' data.
Each shows the initial directory of that zfs system but p4 also shows  
the terminal directory of that zfs system.

Further, the zpool output speaks of replacing files, but the only data
mentioned are directories. so does it mean the entire directory
content?

The `zpool status -v' output is followed by a few brief questions.
----   ---=---   -   

zpool status -v p3
  pool: p3
 state: ONLINE
status: One or more devices has experienced an error resulting in data
corruption.  Applications may be affected.
action: Restore the file in question if possible.  Otherwise restore the
entire pool from backup.
   see: http://illumos.org/msg/ZFS-8000-8A
  scan: none requested
config:

NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM
p3  ONLINE   0 0 0
  mirror-0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t6d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t7d0  ONLINE   0 0 0

errors: Permanent errors have been detected in the following files:

/p/p3/
----   ---=---   -   
pool p4 has same output except disks and list of effected files
----   ---=---   -   

zpool status -v p4

[...]

   NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM
   p4  ONLINE   0 0 0
 mirror-0  ONLINE   0 0 0
   c4t8d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
   c4t9d0  ONLINE   0 0 0

errors: Permanent errors have been detected in the following files:

  /p/p4/
  /eBk/eImgMus/
----   ---=---   -   


NOTES:
In both cases there are no files in /p/p3 or /p/p4.

There are 23034 music and photo files/directories in p4/eBk/eImgMus/

What do I need to do to get to the bottom of the problem?  It is
really likely that all the files under p4/eBk/eImgMus/ are corrupted?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool errors a bit confusing

[Harry Putnam]

"oi.mail-l...@gmx.com"  writes:

>  It is a critical error  like the "see" notes states and most
> likely, it needs to be re-created and  restore from backup.
> As a suggestion, never trust saving that many files on a
> developmental OS.

As an aside:
Those files are only 1 copy of at least 3 or they would not be on this
'learning' rig.  I wanted to experiment somewhat realistically.

About your comments:
Of course I am aware that the output says the things you repeat above.
Can you offer anything that actually shows the files to be as stated?
Or some way to independently verify them to be in such bad shape?

How would one know if a file was corrupt.  Wouldn't it be unusable or
unreadable or something I mean .. critical means pretty serious
right?

Its a bit hard to buy that suddenly with no hard shutdown, power out
... on and on that this could be all that serious. 

Do you think the fact that only directories are referenced as bad has
special significance.  Does it mean that all the files are bad.

Please note that.  The music files seem to play ok, img files are
viewable.  I only sampled a few.  but one of the Directories mentioned
as corrupt, or whatever holds nothing but music and images.
And yet they seem to work.

I just cd'd in to one of the image directories to make sure I wasn't
full of beans... and sure enough, pick a random image file and using
`display' I can view without issues.

Is there some mass test I can run like one of the normal file tester
things. -f -e etc.  None come to my pea brain that I could run
en-masse to try to find any truly corrupted files.

Can anyone else report having seen something like this?

Can the fact of my setting all four of my current pools to be
mountpointed under /p  have any bearing here?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool errors a bit confusing

[Harry Putnam]

"oi.mail-l...@gmx.com"  writes:

[...]

>> Can anyone else report having seen something like this?
>>
>> Can the fact of my setting all four of my current pools to be
>> mountpointed under /p  have any bearing here?
>>
>  You can try  doing this to see if it is able to  correct the
> problem:
> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gbbwl/index.html

Looking at the examples shown there as types of errors one might get
using `zpool status', I notice NONE of the examples show the
corruption being listed as a directory.  All examples show actual end
of the line filenames, accept those where the error says the pool is
FAULTED.

Have you ever seen a 'zpool status' output that showed only directory
names as the corrupted 'files'?

Is that unusual?

I have no experience on which to draw.

>  My opinion is this  problem most likely occur because it was
> lacking redundancy.
>  and scrub was not often run.

Can you specify what you actually mean by 'lacking redundancy'.

And for the record, one of the pools showing the posted output was
only 2 days old, so no... there had not been major scrubbing.

Even the oldest one showing problems was less than a week old.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool errors a bit confusing

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> Can you specify what you actually mean by 'lacking redundancy'.
>
> And for the record, one of the pools showing the posted output was
> only 2 days old, so no... there had not been major scrubbing.
>
> Even the oldest one showing problems was less than a week old.

Must not have been as critical as all that since a scrub appears to
have removed all mention of the problems.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool errors a bit confusing

[Harry Putnam]

"oi.mail-l...@gmx.com"  writes:

> On 4/5/2014 9:25 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> "oi.mail-l...@gmx.com"writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> >>Can anyone else report having seen something like this?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Can the fact of my setting all four of my current pools to be
>>>> >>mountpointed under /p  have any bearing here?
>>>> >>
>>> >  You can try  doing this to see if it is able to  correct the
>>> >problem:
>>> >http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gbbwl/index.html
>> Looking at the examples shown there as types of errors one might get
>> using `zpool status', I notice NONE of the examples show the
>> corruption being listed as a directory.  All examples show actual end
>> of the line filenames, accept those where the error says the pool is
>> FAULTED.
>>
>> Have you ever seen a 'zpool status' output that showed only directory
>> names as the corrupted 'files'?
>>
>> Is that unusual?
>>
>> I have no experience on which to draw.
>>
>>> >  My opinion is this  problem most likely occur because it was
>>> >lacking redundancy.
>>> >  and scrub was not often run.
>> Can you specify what you actually mean by 'lacking redundancy'.
>>
>> And for the record, one of the pools showing the posted output was
>> only 2 days old, so no... there had not been major scrubbing.
>>
>> Even the oldest one showing problems was less than a week old.
>  A fast summary,  ZFS redundacy; basically is when bad data is
> found by zfs  it fetches a clean copy of the data from another
> disk(mirrored) and repairs it with the correct data,etc.
>
> If you have not already read this, I suggest reading "Oracle
> Solaris Administration ZFS File system"
> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/821-1448/gbscy.html#scrolltoc
>
>I'm reading it myself and there are some things that are still
> not clear:-)

In answer to your previous post; yes all seems ok now.  I'm not sure
if you noticed that my setup is a vbox vm running on windows7 host.

Looking back; I actually think that problem was caused by me
(ill-advisedly ) meddling with disks thru vbox.

I wanted to spred my discs onto an external usb3 multi tb disk.
My space on the windows main machine was getting tight.

I may have made some blunder figuring out to do it.

It can be done like this: Create disks in vbox on your oi vm.  Thru
vbox, release then remove the disks (do not delete).  Now move those
disks to the external drive.

Back in vbox; use the disc creation dialog but instead of creating new
discs choose to use existing discs.  Track down your discs on ext drive
and select them.

When you next fire up your oi vm, those discs will appear with
'format' and can be used as usual.

One unexpected result is that vbox seems to create the same named
discs under the normal directory for your vm discsbut they never
grow beyond 4mb.  All the while the same named discs out on the ext
drive may grow to whatever size was set when created.
So, end result is, you have disc-10 under your vm disc directory and
disc-10 out on the external the only one growing is on the
external.  This all seems to work seamlessly with the oi OS.

Must be something like a place marker that vbox finds necessary to
create.

Gack... enough about vboxI got carried away... sorry
----   ---=---   -   

Thanks for the input.

I've been going to that source documentation you cited sort of as
needed.  Usually reading a bit more each time so slowly boning up
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] [vbox guests] two installs different results

[Harry Putnam]

Running oi 151_1_9 as guest in a vbox vm on windows 7

Something odd happened when I installed a second vm guest of oi.

I used the same iso from 151_a8 and then updated.

The overridding vbox settings are the same... except for number of
hdd.

So same ram, same video ram, bridged ethernet... etc

However on both systems I've created users from the command line using
'useradd' and the same cmdline but for the username.

(Only 1 extra user on each)

Not to the punch line.

when I start the newest install, and login to the user created from
cmdline.  something perculiar is causing an app I open to glue itself
to the top left corner of display and cannot be moved.

For example; if I click on the terminal icon on top of display (there
by default) the terminal opens but is stuck to top left corner.

If I used the application/run menu to start an xterm... it is glued
the same.

Ditto for firefox.

They all stick just high enough to cover the menu at upper left of
display so none of that can be accessed if anything is open.

Further, the main menu on the applications is unusable. The main items
can be opened but I cannot slide down to any commands.  Soon as the
mouse leaves the actual menu item (like 'File') the list snaps
shut...Hold left mouse down and sliding down doesn't work either, and
with the same problem.

I'm not real sure it is an oi problem... possibly vbox.. but seem not
so likely to be vbox inside the OS.

PS - The user created during install... has none of these problems.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] How to debug recent time-slider failure

[Harry Putnam]

running 151_9 (fairly recent update from 151_a8)
Running oi as  guest of win7 64bit vbox vm

I've been using the time-slider service for a month or two and only
noticed that it had been sidelined to maintenance today.

svcs -xv says since today at 11:07  and not much else, other than
start method failed repeatedly.  The log content says no more either.

svc:/application/time-slider:default (GNOME Desktop Snapshot Management Service)
 State: maintenance since April 16, 2014 11:07:43 AM EDT
Reason: Start method failed repeatedly, last died on Killed (9).
   See: http://illumos.org/msg/SMF-8000-KS
   See: man -M /usr/share/man -s 1M zfs
   See: /var/svc/log/application-time-slider:default.log
Impact: 5 dependent services are not running:
svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:daily
svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:frequent
svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:hourly
svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:monthly
svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:weekly

I wouldn't mind if this only meant the gui is what failed but don't
know enough to be able to tell.

Can the service be controlled from the command line? The man page
referenced in the above ouput appears to have nothing whatever to do
with the time-slider.

The log  shows this message repeatedly:

Just todays lines:
[...]
[ Apr 16 11:03:45 Enabled. ]
[ Apr 16 11:04:39 Executing start method ("/lib/svc/method/time-slider start"). 
]
[ Apr 16 11:05:41 Method or service exit timed out.  Killing contract 104. ]
[ Apr 16 11:05:41 Method "start" failed due to signal KILL. ]
[ Apr 16 11:05:41 Executing start method ("/lib/svc/method/time-slider start"). 
]
[ Apr 16 11:06:42 Method or service exit timed out.  Killing contract 120. ]
[ Apr 16 11:06:42 Method "start" failed due to signal KILL. ]
[ Apr 16 11:06:42 Executing start method ("/lib/svc/method/time-slider start"). 
]
[ Apr 16 11:07:43 Method or service exit timed out.  Killing contract 121. ]
[ Apr 16 11:07:43 Method "start" failed due to signal KILL. ]

I guess the start times out and is killed.

The last record of the start ending with exit 0 was:

  [ Apr 13 14:36:50 Method "start" exited with status 0. ]

Its been timeing out since then.

That isn't the date of a hefty update I did... Don't remember when
that was exactly but in Apr single digit days.

Not at all sure where to get somekind of useful debugging info.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Identical Installs but different screen Res

[Harry Putnam]

A little off topic because of running as guest in vbox on windows 7
64bit.

I've done two installs of oi -b 151_a8.  Both since updated to 151_9,
but the phenomena was there right from the start.

Once the install is over during the first round of settings I have
found that one vm has possible highest Screen res Setting of:

  1440 x 1050

While the other install has a highest setting of only:

  1280 x 1024

I've asked on the vbox list, and done some digging in vbox docs trying
to see if screen res is something vbox can effect.  But found no
reason to thing so.

Apparently its a factor of the OS.

Can anyone offer a clue or guess why screen res is lower on one
install?

Can anyone offer any ideas about how to get higher screen res.

I have tried adjusting the amount of (video) memory Vbox allows under
its 'Display' settings trying the default... which I now have
forgotten but definitely below 50mb.

I have tried boosting (video) memory to 50mb and to 75mb without seeing any
noticeable effect at all.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Identical Installs but different screen Res

[Harry Putnam]

Dmitry Kozhinov  writes:

> I have exactly the same question.
> OI allows me to select maximum resolution of 1024x768 only.
> LCD monitor has slightly better resolution (1152x1024?). The monitor
> has a VGA connector, and videocard has a DVI. I believe that my
> videocard is capable of supporting much higher resolutions than
> 1024x768 (some nVidia, cannot remember exact model, I am now away from
> my server). Monitor is plugged via DVI-VGA adapter, and likely this is
> why OI cannot recognize monitor model (recognizes as generic
> monitor). nVidia card is recognized. How can I convince OI to set
> higher resolution?
>
>> Can anyone offer any ideas about how to get higher screen res.

I have no technical knowledge of how the vm interplay's with the host
OS or hardware.

But, I can tell you that since I posted my question, I did discover
that one of the vms I spoke of had not had the guest additions
installed.  My faulty memory told me it had, but on installing the
latest additions I found the vm (vm2) that had the lower res now went
up to the higher res available on vm1.

So not sure what makes that happen but guessing a newer more robust
video driver in the additions.

So cutting to the chase; you might make sure the vm of yours with low
res, has had the latest guest additions installed.

If you have an older version installed you can remove it with

   `pkgrm SUNWvboxguest'

before installing the current version.

A small note on version: It is a total pain in the neck to discover
what version of guest additions is running.  I never did get it
figured out.  I found nifty commands on linux that will show it
(lsmod) but that command is unknown on my OpenIndiana vm.

None of the things I dreamed up worked and after pounding away at
google for a good half hour I decided it wasn't worth the time and
effort.

I suggest just to uninstall the current package with cmd mentioned
above and then install the pkg from vbox-4.3.10 r93012.  Far as I know
that is the most recent release and will have the most recent
additions.

You probably have all this covered but for completeness:

Install additions:

on vbox vm GUI interface: `Devices/Install guest additions cd image'

Force unmount if necessary in dialog resulting from above menu item.

cd as root (if you go there as user and try to use sudo it will fail.
I never bothered with pfexec so not sure if that would work either):
 cd  /media/VBOX*

  pkgadd -d ./VBoxSolarisAdditions.pkg

  Follow the prompts from there.

Let us know if any of this helped.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Identical Installs but different screen Res

[Harry Putnam]

Jim Klimov  writes:

[...]

> And given that i am not a kernel/driver developer and in the end a
> computer and its OS are tools to get the official job
> done... well... i'd rather have to use whatever works and does not
> impede my job. Even though a native oi might be more suitable than one
> in the vm.
>
> Might yet settle on physical linux, like the rest of the team did, though...

Not sure I understand you there... Do you mean work with vm guest on a
linux HOST is what most devs do?

I've often wondered why the console of OI has never been developed
beyond about 1990s.  It is more primitive still than my first forays
into linux around 1996.  The linux console has developed a good bit
since then and can be a serious env for serious work... where as the
OI console is a flat out pain in the keester... making the gui nearly
a necessity. 

No doubt, someone will invite me to take up its improvement... and I
guess it's a good point... except that my skill level would not allow
it.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Identical Installs but different screen Res

[Harry Putnam]

Jim Klimov  writes:


[...]

> modinfo | grep box

[...]

v...@bb-c.de (Volker A. Brandt) writes:

> Jim Klimov writes:
>> 18 апреля 2014 г. 17:28:46 CEST, Harry Putnam 
>> пишет:
>> >A small note on version: It is a total pain in the neck to discover
>> >what version of guest additions is running.  I never did get it
>> >figured out.  I found nifty commands on linux that will show it
>> >(lsmod) but that command is unknown on my OpenIndiana vm.
>
> Because OpenIndiana is not Linux :-)

Hehe ... can't argue there.

>
>> modinfo | grep box

> Or just:
>
> pkginfo -l SUNWvboxguest

Nicer and nicer ... thank you both.

I will admit my google skills are not the highest... but I did spend
long enough on google to find 4 other posters arrayed over about 10
years who could not find an easy way to learn the version either.

Even that took at least a half hour.

Man page skills not terrific either since I spent a bit of time on
several of the pkg[whatever] cmds looking for the very thing that
Volker B posted.

Seems I always flunk out by not having the super clever search strings
in firefox on google or with the '/' key in man pages.  I become
doubtful of my pea brain when a helpful poster shows a one search hit
that completely satisfies whatever I was asking about in rich depth
and completeness

And while there is truly a wealth of info available on google, its
shear amount by itself becomes a new problem. It means there are piles
and piles of junk too.  Seems like its getting harder to find stuff to
me.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Is this dell xeon a decent buy

[Harry Putnam]

Just looking for some opinions on an ebay machine I am thinking of
buying for an oi zfs server

I do not know enough about specs and so forth to tell if this is an ok
purchase.

Understand that my usage is strictly home lan... so very light and
nothing commercial.

I want a machine that won't have all kinds of unruly hic-ups and etc.

I don't mean like worn out hardware etc but just not being that
compatible for my intended use.

Any suggestions are welcome but also understand that I want something
I can just install oi on and get going so not not (at this particular
time) interested in building up a machine myself.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Poweredge-6650-Enterprise-Server-2-x-Intel-Xeon-1-5-GHz-8-GB-/261423732486?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item3cde119706


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Static IP problem

[Harry Putnam]

Michelle Knight  writes:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I've installed 151a8 text server but I'm having problems with my notes
> to change to static IP and my searches of the web are turning up
> nothing different ... but I'm obviously missing something.
>
> svcadm disable svc:/network/physical:nwam
> svcadm enable svc:/network/physical:default
> cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
> ipadm create-addr -T static -a 192.168.0.2/24 bge0/v4
> svcadm restart svc:/network/physical:default
> route -p add default 192.168.0.1
>
> ...however bge0 is still showing as disabled.  (obviously the route
> fails because it can't reach the network)
>
> Any ideas on what I've missed please?

Just a bit of a different route to same goal:

I sort of gave up on fighting with oi about static addressing a good
while ago and do it this way:

Many, if not all routers these days, have options to offer a dedicated
address to a specific MAC address when a dhcp address in requested by
a host with that MAC.

That can be set on the router (in many cases) with the end result
being your hosts' MAC always receives the same address even if it is
issued via dhcp, and no other hosts will be offered that address.

So, you have the benefit of a static address but not the headache. 


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] a question of oi OS on ssd

[Harry Putnam]

Just checking if I will be able to install oi 151_9 on a pair of SSD
mirrored?

I know the routine to establish a mirrored rpool.. just checking that
there aren't some major problems if the drives are SSD.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] a question of oi OS on ssd

[Harry Putnam]

Bryan N Iotti  writes:

Jason M.

First, thank you both for the great input.

> For best performance and longer life remember to edit sd.conf with the
> proper tags for your disks, in order to use 4K / 8K blocks.

One other aspect that has occurred to me after seeing the responses:

This maybe a vbox vm hosted on a windows 7 host (2x xeon HP xw8600
Workstation). (I haven't decided yet whether to dedicate that hardware
to a real install of oi or leave it as I bought it with OS windows7
and go the vm route)

And in that case it would be virtual drives being created on SSD
hardware.

Will that setup be likely to be more problematic than a non-virtual
install of oi on that hardware?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] a question of oi OS on ssd

[Harry Putnam]

Harry wrote:
> > And in that case it would be virtual drives being created on SSD
> > hardware.

> > Will that setup be likely to be more problematic than a non-virtual
> > install of oi on that hardware?

Bryan N Iotti  writes:

> At that point, OI doesn't see the real disks, so no configuration and
> no possible issues (other than unforeseen surprises in the VBox guest
> additions).
>
> Still, why OI if you can't benefit from ZFS?

I'm not sure I get your meaning there... why would I not be able to
benefit from zfs?

Does what I described as one possible way to go:

(In brief: 2x xeon - 32 gb ram > OS windows 7 >vbox vm > OS oi)

Can you expand on your meaning regarding not benefiting from ZFS in
that scenario?

I'm such a light weight skill/experience wise... I'm probably missing
something fundemental...


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] a question of oi OS on ssd

[Harry Putnam]

Brogyányi József  writes:

> I do not recommend to use it. My experiences are same what I read this site:
>
> http://breden.org.uk/2009/09/02/home-fileserver-handling-pool-errors/
>
> The SSD produced an error under only one week. I do not wan to use
> daily scrub and clear the zpool error. My SSD was Samsung SSD 830 not
> OCZ.

Ahh... good to know... thanks for the good input.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] why can't I rename be?

[Harry Putnam]

I've followed a series of steps to update a 151_a8 install to the
latest 151.1.9.

The formula suggested naming the new be with a more reasonable name.

In this case I jumped right out with a be named 151_9.

But, of course, that is a bit wrong... The new packages all have
something like 151.1.9

  root@oi:~# beadm list
  BE  Active Mountpoint Space Policy Created
  151_9   R  -  5.07G static 2014-07-10 11:26
  openindiana N  /  9.13M static 2014-07-10 04:57

But I'm not able to rename it:


  root@oi:~# beadm rename -v 151_9 151.1.9
  be_rename: failed to rename dataset (rpool/ROOT/151_9): Device busy
  Rename of BE 151_9 failed.
  Unmount failed.

Should I be able to rename the be?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] a question of oi OS on ssd

[Harry Putnam]

Harry wrote:
> I'm not sure I get your meaning there... why would I not be able to
> benefit from zfs?

Bryan N Iotti  responded:

> At that point your data integrity is only as good as the filesystem on
> the host OS  (NTFS) , where your OI ZFS drives are stored as
> files. ZFS can't protect you from much there, even though this can be
> improved a little if you put each virtual drive on a different disk on
> the host.
>
> That's why I'd prefer doing it backwards, with an OI host and windows
> guests. At that point, all your data is on a ZFS filesystem and you
> also have less driver issues (as long as OI supports the hardware
> you're running on) since Windows o‎nly has to deal with the VM drivers
> as a guest.
>

OK, I can get that.  So you really mean getting less than the full
benefit.  And it sounds like some important stuff... especially since
this used server I bought has the ecc ram too.

There is still one good stumbling block for me though.

Maybe I'm trying to do 1 too many thing here.

It's really tempting to see what the 2x (older) 5570 3.3 ghz  xeon can do with 
the
full suite of adobe tools.  I've been running them on an oldish i7 and
expect to see a hefty improvment since the server has 32 GB ram.

My original was to put OI right on the hardware but then I started
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

Bryan N Iotti  writes:

> HP has a good website for all their professional machines, with a host of 
> manuals.
>
> The ones for the XW8600 are here:
>  
> ‎http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.PAGE/public/psi/manualsResults/?sp4ts.oid=3432828&spf_p.tpst=psiContentResults&spf_p.prp_psiContentResults=wsrp-navigationalState%3Daction%253Dmanualslist%257Ccontentid%253DSetup-and-install-general%257Clang%253Den&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken
>  
>
> (I hope that link makes it through to the list, otherwise you can of
> course Google it, it's in the HP support center)

[...]

Thank you, yes your link made it.  And I did mention having seen a few
pdf files on hp site... turns out it was those you point to.

I did not learn a terrible lot from those manuals.  Possibly because I
am too thick sculled to understand much of them.

But also, the information is conflicting and misleading in many
cases. Plus at least 6 of the manuals are in some oddball format that
my pc doesn't know how to open.   The little box that tells you the
format just has a question mark.

Another example might be the manual titled:
  SATA Optical Drive
  and 3.0Gb/s Hard
  Drive Cables
  Installation Guidelines

Which mentions the color coding but then mentions different colors
than what I see

(Murry mentioned my images didn't make the cut so posting them here:

  zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vu/disp.cgi )

I'm pretty sure I'm having trouble understanding about the sata ports
mainly due to ignorance... and serious holes in my knowledge


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

Murray  writes:


[...]

>> Can anyone tell me what I'm looking at here?  What the color coding
>> means? How many are actually working sata ports?  What does RED
>> indicate?
>> 
>
> Images didn't get through, but from memory, there should be 6 sata
> ports and 8 sas ports on the motherboard. Should be an Lsi 1068e on
> the mobo.

I've posted them online at:
  zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vu/disp.cgi

If there is an Lsi 1068... what impact would that have on an `oi'
install?  Wouldn't I want to ignore of disable any raid type stuff?

> I think I still have one as a spare at work, I will check tomorrow and let 
> you know for sure.
>
> The inside of the hp lid usually has a sticker detailing sata and sas
> ports, PCI-x and PCI-e slots, etc.

Egad, I had completely overlooked the info on the inside of lid.  I've
had the lid off laying with that info down... and never thought to
look.  Although I must have seen it when I took the cover off.

One big problem is that I'm pretty confused about sata and sas.  I did
google up and wikipaedia up on it...  but much of it went right over
my head.

What is the practical meaning in this case?  Can a sata disc run on an
SAS port?  If not what runs on them? 

> I had very good luck running OI on an 8400 with 12 gb ram.

OK, good news.

If you have time, please take a look at the images at the site listed
up above, and let me know what you can about what I'm seeing there


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

"Alex Smith (K4RNT)"  writes:

> SATA disks can run on a SAS controller no problem - they are backwards
> compatible, however SAS disks will NOT work on a SATA only controller.
>
> The blue colored SATA socket is port 0, probably for the boot volume. I
> can't see from the angle of the photo, but I bet the white colored sockets
> are for SAS. Are there any SFF-8087 connectors on the mainboard, by chance?

Googling SFF-8087 I find more than one shape of plug, so, not sure
what they look like.  Are those just the plugs used to connect SATA
discs?  The bigger of the 2 plugs required for each sata hdd. If so,
there are 1 each on all discs now connected (4) and several free on the
electrical harness.

> With the LSI HBA, if it requires it, just make each individual disk a RAID
> 0 volume. That's how I did it with MegaRAID.

Err, you left me in the ditch a ways back.  Are you saying if I have
to do something with LSI HBA and I set discs to RAID 0, then oi will
just see non-raid discs and I can just set things up as if each disc
was not raided?  Also, is the setting you mention done in OI?

Can we start a little further back please: Is there something on this
machines hardware that will give me problems in setting up mirrored
whole disks for vpools once OI is installed?

I am posting a very detailed report on the hardware and software using
the current (windows 7) OS and a tool called Aida64 that pulls all
relevant info.  It generates a 2+ mb html file but I can post it on my
web pages so not to overload this message.

It also includes certain performance tests and lots of other junk.

Some of the hawkeyes here will no doubt be able to make some sense of
it.

If anyone is willing to look thru that lengthy report... I guess I'll
post it now.

zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/Aida64_rpt-140718.html

(Absolutely piles of information).

Further, if anyone is interested enough, I've posted some more images
that are stepped back compared to the first two.  Stepped back far enough
to see the whole motherboard.

I had poor lighting and so the flash glare makes them a little hard to
see, but I find if I blow up the image in whatever viewer I'm
using... the flash glare becomes negligible

Even without any special handling the images are fairly decent.

Maybe some of you will recognize what all is going on in there.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

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Timothy Coalson  writes:

> Actually, in the motherboard pictures I see 6 SATA ports (blue/black/red)
> and 8 SAS ports (white/gray), and the AIDA64 output shows 6 SATA ports, as
> expected.  It says the LSI 1068 chip is an 8-port chip, so 8 SAS ports
> would make sense.

[...]

Man, you've supplied some really good input in this thread.  Helps my
understanding quite a lot.   Thanks.

Just to make sure I've understood at least a bit of whats been said.
I'm thinking I can get my 6-8 sata disks running... no problem.  And
limited to 2 tb the sas ports but that limit still would be put well
above my original goal of 3-4 sets of mirrored hdd as zpools.

And then that leaves something like 50% more area to grow into if it
becomes necessary.

One question:  Something I've seen while looking at specs on this and
similar aged servers gave me the notion I might be able to install a
couple of IDE hdd.  

I do see IDE style connectors in the wiring harness

If that is so, it would suit me well since I have a pair of 500gb IDE
drives.  I'm thinking that might be a good place to stash rpool, leaving
all the sata/sas ports for data.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

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"Alex Smith (K4RNT)"  writes:

> In some cases, the SATA ports in these configurations will report as being
> attached to the motherboard chipset. You'll see 4 SATA ports, and 4 SAS
> ports. I don't remember off the top of my head how they report in all cases.

Excellent input, thank you sir.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> Further, if anyone is interested enough, I've posted some more images
> that are stepped back compared to the first two.  Stepped back far enough
> to see the whole motherboard.

Gack... after the buildup I forgot the doggone URL... so if anyone
still is interested:

  http://zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi

(Not the same as the first two images I posted)


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

Timothy Coalson  writes:

> No, those are SATA power connectors, SFF-8087 is an internal data connector
> for 4 channels of SAS:
>
> http://www.cs-electronics.com/images-large/Fem%20SFF-8087-b.JPG
>
> This shows both plug and receptacle, the bit on the circuit board is the
> receptacle, and is usually on a larger card/board, not with a cable coming
> out the back.

Man that image leaves no doubt about how it looks thanks for that

I think you are right about only 1 chip... as do not see anything that
looks like that on the mobo... I see nothing with a metal part as part
of the socket.  They all appear to be plastic only.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

> Those pics make me wonder where you are going to put all those hard drives
> (and if duct tape will be involved).  I see only 2 spots meant for them
> that are empty.

Hey hey... I hadn't thought of duct tape.. but something pretty
similar. I had hoped that largish empty space below the drives could
be made to hold drives.

I hope you are not right and I can only have 6 drives at once.  2 are
cdroms but of course that can be altered.

Do you think there is any hope for the space below the drives being
fitted out to hold drives?  Looks like at least another 4 could fit
there. 

> The system does have the indications of supporting IDE.  I've never tried
> IDE drives in OI, so someone else will have to speak for that.

As it turns out, I have actually run opensolaris (before there was an
openindiana) on IDE drives... and is the reason I still have
them... but that was quite a while back.  

I have a hunch there might be problems involving which receptacle is
the system drive or similar.  Or will OI even care about that?

One of my biggest problems is that I have run opensolaris or some
branch of solaris for a good long while however it is broken up
with very large periods in between.  Seems like when I start back
fiddling with OI, I've forgotten all I ever learned the time before.

These newsgoups have carried me many times for that reason.  Some may
even consider me quite a pest here.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

Timothy Coalson  writes:

> Those pics make me wonder where you are going to put all those hard drives
> (and if duct tape will be involved).  I see only 2 spots meant for them
> that are empty.

Sorry to badger at you about this stuff...

Does this kind of SAS drive (hp-507616-b21-hard-drive-2tb-7200rpm)
shown at the URL below fit into a different kind of holder than those
sata drives on my machine?

http://harddrives.nanakonadu.com/hp-507616-b21-hard-drive-2tb-7200rpm-sas-600-serial-attached-scsi-3-5-inch-internal/

And is it likely I could run these with no problem?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] where to get iso for 151_9

[Harry Putnam]

Is there an ISO for 151_9 or do we have to still install 151_a7  and
then update?

There appears no such critter anywhere on oi web pages.

Maybe at least some private enterprising soul has created one?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] where to get iso for 151_9

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> Is there an ISO for 151_9 or do we have to still install 151_a7  and

TYPO alert . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ^
   151_a8

> then update?
>
> There appears no such critter anywhere on oi web pages.
>
> Maybe at least some private enterprising soul has created one?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] what difference in ui from `Server' to `Desktop' ISO

[Harry Putnam]

The oi home page doesn't really spell out what differences there are
in the `Server' install ISO as opposed to `Desktop' iso.

Is the UI the same?  Or does the server version not have a desktop installed?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

Timothy Coalson  writes:


[...]

>> http://harddrives.nanakonadu.com/hp-507616-b21-hard-drive-2tb-7200rpm-sas-600-serial-attached-scsi-3-5-inch-internal/
>>
>> And is it likely I could run these with no problem?
>>
>
> I've never bought drives with a pre-attached bracket like that (assuming
> the pictures are accurate), which are intended for hotswap bays in some
> system, but I would expect them to be a standard SAS drive screwed into a
> bracket.  Standard SAS drives have the same screw hole placement as SATA,
> so you are fine there, but a SAS drive's connector is slightly different,
> and won't accept a SATA cable, due to a filled-in gap (that has a second
> data connection on the flip side):
>
> http://www.serialstoragewire.org/images/articles/it24fig1.jpg

[...]

"Alex Smith (K4RNT)"  writes:

> You can remove the drive from the bracket and insert it into the host
> internally. The brackets are intended for use in hot-swap drive bays,
> usually found in servers (rackmounts primarily, but some deskside as well).
>
> However, the SAS connector is a single connector that you would have to get
> an adapter cable for use in a non-hotswap configuration. Here's an example
> of one:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Pin-SATA-Serial-ATA-to-29-Pin-SAS-Connector-4-Pin-Power-Cable-Adapter-New-/111409680629?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item19f088d0f5
>
> SATA drives work on a SAS controller, but SAS drives will not work on a
> SATA only controller.

[...]

Thanks for excellent input once again.  Just thought I'd ask.

I'll be sticking to the sata drives that I at least know a modicum
about.

I've attempted a bootup from both the server iso and Live CD desktop
DVD iso.  Hit what looks like a fairly serious snag in both cases.
In either iso, it wants to drop into maintenance mode part way thru
boot.  Asking for a username and passwd or control -d.

Using control + d results in a message saying:
  
  (see /lib/svc/share/README for more information)
  Console login service[s] cannot run

And then returns the prompt about dropping into maintenance mode, user
name or control-d and around we go.

The same baloney in either ISO.

I've started a new thread : 
   Subject: No boot from iso on HP xw8600

Please check it out if you still have the energy to follow my troubles. 


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] No boot from iso on HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: Server and Desktop ISO, attempting to boot an HP xw8600
A 2x Xeon (5470) with 32 GB ram and 2 1tb hdd.

I've attempted booting an HP xw8600 from both server and desktop
(freshly downloaded and burned) isos.

In either case I come to one of those offers to drop me into maintenance
mode and requests uid and passwd, or press Control + d.

Pressing the `Control + d' option results in this message:
  Requesting System maintenance mode
  (see /lib/svc/share/README for more information)
  Console login service[s] cannot run

And back comes the offer to enter a uid and passwd or press Control + d
for maintenance mode.

Using the stock uid - passwd, root - openindiana, gets me into
maintenance mode with these messages:

  July 20 00:46:40 su, `su root' succeeded  for root on /dev/console
  -bash /usr/sbin/quota - no such file or directory
 openindiana (powered by illumos) SunOS 5.11 oi 151_a8 July 2013
  -bash /bin/mail - no such file or directory
  -bash /usr/bin/hostname - no such file or directory

  root #

If I run `ls -al' I see a listing of /root (.bashrc and .profile)
followed by 
   /usr/bin/hostname - no such file or directory...

Other basic commands seem to work, such as pwd etc.

But trying something like `format' fails miserably with:
 -bash - format command not found.
 -bash - /usr/bin/hostname - no such file or directory.

Where is the `format' command usually hiding.  /bin/, /usr/bin, /sbin,
/usr/sbin, all seem to be present and accounted for... but no `format'. 

`format' is present at /usr/sbin/format on an oi vm I have running, but
apparently is not included on this `Live CD' ISO.

Is there something I can do here to help the boot. Or, is it likely to be
something else causing the trouble? 

PS - both ISO's work fine when tried on another host and installing
into a vm.  So at least any thoughts of corruption or the like should
be laid to rest.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No boot from iso on HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Mark  writes:

> It could be that once booted, it didn't find the dvd drive again.
>

If that was the case... what would you recommend be done?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] No boot from iso on HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Mark  writes:

> It could be that once booted, it didn't find the dvd drive again.

[...]

But if that were the case would I still see many binaries available
with `ls'  in /bin, /usr/bin/, /sbin, /usr/sbin?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] booting HP xw8600 from ISO

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: 

   Hardware: HP xw8600 2x Xeon (5470) 3.3 Ghz - 32 GB ram
   (goal was to get past whatever prevents oi iso from working when
   hdw is in default settings.)

I've already posted a lament about not being able to boot this
hardware from install ISO and instead being dropped into a maintenance
mode where key commands such as `format' are not available.

I didn't know enough to try to `fix' whatever was the problem from the
maintenance mode.

I resorted to diddling around with the HP xw8600 bios.

I discovered that changing the sata emulation mode at 

(on the bios initial screen)

Storage >
  Device configuration << NOT HERE >>
  storage options << under this heading>>

   [...]
   Sata emulation
   [...]

That option offers three ways to setup the sata controller
It is defaulted to `RAID+AHCI'.  But on that setting or trusty ISO will
not boot into a usable situation.  Dropping instead into a lame
maintenance mode. 

So, turning that option off by selecting either of the other two (below)

[...]

  [Note: copy past from HP xw8600 manual -ed HP]

,
|   SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following options:
| 
|RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This emulation
|mode is the default and offers the best performance and most
|functionality.
| 
|Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
|only).
| 
|Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
|controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).
`

[...]

I have some misgivings about either of the other two but discovered
that the installation ISO will boot normally under either.

I've currently set it to `Separate IDE Controller' but could use some
advice as to what is best to do here. 

I'll continue the install assuming, that bios setting can be changed
if necessary without having to install all over again.

Hopefully someone experienced with this server (HP xw8600) will be
able to advise me about this item.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] booting HP xw8600 from ISO

[Harry Putnam]

Mark  writes:

> On 21/07/2014 7:11 p.m., Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Setup:
>>
>> Hardware: HP xw8600 2x Xeon (5470) 3.3 Ghz - 32 GB ram
>> (goal was to get past whatever prevents oi iso from working when
>> hdw is in default settings.)
>>
>> I've already posted a lament about not being able to boot this
>> hardware from install ISO and instead being dropped into a maintenance
>> mode where key commands such as `format' are not available.
>>
>> I didn't know enough to try to `fix' whatever was the problem from the
>> maintenance mode.
>>
>> I resorted to diddling around with the HP xw8600 bios.
>>
>> I discovered that changing the sata emulation mode at
>>
>> (on the bios initial screen)
>>
>> Storage >
>>Device configuration << NOT HERE >>
>>storage options << under this heading>>
>>
>> [...]
>> Sata emulation
>> [...]
>>
>> That option offers three ways to setup the sata controller
>> It is defaulted to `RAID+AHCI'.  But on that setting or trusty ISO will
>> not boot into a usable situation.  Dropping instead into a lame
>> maintenance mode.
>>
>> So, turning that option off by selecting either of the other two (below)
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>[Note: copy past from HP xw8600 manual -ed HP]
>>
>> ,
>> |   SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following options:
>> |
>> |RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This emulation
>> |mode is the default and offers the best performance and most
>> |functionality.
>> |
>> |Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
>> |only).
>> |
>> |Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
>> |controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).
>> `
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> I have some misgivings about either of the other two but discovered
>> that the installation ISO will boot normally under either.
>>
>> I've currently set it to `Separate IDE Controller' but could use some
>> advice as to what is best to do here.
>
> You have done what most of us do, tried the available options in the
> appropriate area.
>
>>
>> I'll continue the install assuming, that bios setting can be changed
>> if necessary without having to install all over again.
>>
>> Hopefully someone experienced with this server (HP xw8600) will be
>> able to advise me about this item.
>
> This issue is seen if the dvd drive isn't working after the kernel is
> running. I have seen it many times.
>
> The boot loader gets the kernel and base drivers and part of the OS
> into memory, and that usually works.
>
> Then it needs the kernel and drivers to recognize the sata controller
> and drive to mount and access the rest of the system files, which is
> where it failed.
>
>
> The 'cure" is to try all bios settings affecting the dvd drive, which
> is what you have successfully done.
>
> I have in the past resorted to IDE drives, or booting from USB drives,
> which can be even more problematic to try to resolve the problem.
>
>
>
> So well done, you have made it a few rungs up the experience ladder.

Hah... and so I have.  But is there any reason to prefer one of the
settings that work over the other.

Either:
  Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
  only).
(The one I used)

Or:
  Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
  controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).

For example: Does the second one above leave more usable sata ports?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] booting HP xw8600 from ISO

[Harry Putnam]

Ed  writes:

> On 07/22/14 10:38, Harry Putnam wrote:
>>   But is there any reason to prefer one of the
>> settings that work over the other.
>>
>> Either:
>>Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
>>only).
>> (The one I used)
>>
>> Or:
>>Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
>>controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).
>>
>> For example: Does the second one above leave more usable sata ports?
>
>   Hello,
>   it's for a xw8600 desktop, however, it can probably be used as a
> guideline: read 'BIOS' and 'General Notes'
> http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/hcl/data/systems/details/hewlett-packard/sol_10_05_08/3409.html

son of a gun! All spelled out in iambic pentometer... and me searching
high and low for advice.

Thanks... that will be good to stuff into my collection of things
solaris.

But, still it doesn't really say which is better.  I guess by
mentioning only 1 ... then I am to take it that is the preferred method.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] booting HP xw8600 from ISO

[Harry Putnam]

ken mays via openindiana-discuss 
writes:

> You usually keep it in AHCI or SATA mode - not IDE. Depends on how the 
> various providers
> define the modes. Consider IDE controller modes 'classic legacy'.

Thanks for the input... I know you are an experienced hand.

I think you might have missed some of the content in thread... a
solaris ISO WILL NOT BOOT when that sata selector part of the BIOS is
set to the one setting containing any mention of AHCI... 

From a previous post:

[...] part of the xw8600 bios

>> ,
>> |   SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following options:
>> |
>> |RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This emulation
>> |mode is the default and offers the best performance and most
>> |functionality.
>> |
>> |Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
>> |only).
>> |
>> |Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
>> |controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).
>> `

If left in the top mentioned setting the ISO will boot up only so far
then drop you in a lame maintenance mode.

Maybe you didn't notice the URL Ed posted where a declaration right
from ORACLE tells you not to leave it set to RAID + AHCI and to set it
to  'Separate IDE' ... I stumbled on that setting by trial error but
Eds' post points to an oracle document that confirms my setting.
h
But, perhaps I'm missing your intent ... would not be unlikely.
Do you mean to set ahci ... somewhere after install?

Is one of the settings above related to your point?  If so, which one?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Cram more drives into an HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

I hope someone here will have some hideously clever idea about
cramming about 4 more 3.5 HDD drives into an HP xw8600 server.

I bought it used off ebay but I think it still has a pretty stock
arrangement for hdd.

A section fitted out to hold only 4 hdd.

There is a space under the hdd brackets that looks like it could hold
several more hdd, but would require some specialized hardware from HP
or clever use of duct tape etc.

I've posted a couple of images through to access panel looking at the
motherboard and hdd area here:

   http://zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi

These are biggish images but scroll around a bit and you will notice
in the lower right hand corner... and empty space under the hdd area.

I've posted a query similar to this one on 2 of HP's own forums online
as of early yesterday... but had no replies as of yet.

Can anyone give a good idea how to add more drives?

Some smart way to get at least 4 more drives into play?



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Cram more drives into an HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

[...]

Lots of good input here. 

Can anyone tell me if it is better to have a cage with backplane.

If backplane is just some raid rigamorole... probably useless for this

But would a general sata backplane be any advantage?

Far as I know this server should handle 8 hdd alright since I've been
told that the 8 SAS ports can serve as sata ... that should give me a
total capability of 12 sata ports.

I guess I would assume the power unit is up to that task... can anyone
comment on that?




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Cram more drives into an HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Philip Robar  writes:

First, thank you sir for your repeated good input.

> Personally, I want one of the tray less x in y bays just because I think
> that they look cool. (I lust for this case, but am too cheap to replace the
> used server I recently purchased on eBay for a great price with a new
> mini-ITX motherboard, CPU, ECC memory and the case:
> http://www.u-nas.com/cases.html)

Not sure I really get it about that nifty looking case... does it have
its own OS, or would your workstation os be running it?

May I ask how much your ebay purchase cost you?  I probably shouldn't
but can't help but wonder how badly I got beat up.

I bought the HP xw8600 with 2x Xeon (5470) cpus, 3.33 Ghz, ecc memory and 32
GB of it.

I paid $775.  The case and all the rest are in really superb shape and
it does seem to be a workhorse and powerhouse.

So, was I robbed?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] problem adding drives HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

As posted in another thread here about HP xw8600 hdw.. I thought I had
it whupped... But I jumped the gun.

After putting in 2 250gb sata drives to mirror rpool... (Yeah its a
bit big... but its what I had on hand), I finally took a break in
playing with my new toy, and started trying to put the rest of the
planned disks in toward a 3-4 zpool set of mirrored zpools on matching
disks.

Note that there are some images posted at:

  http://zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi

That might help the  conversation a bit.  

The first image (1.jpg) has a series of white arrows indicating the
top row of 6 sata ports and indicates the colors in the color
coding... Its a bit hard to see since 4 of them have cables attached
but the arrows are pointing at the underlying ports.

NOTE: (Top row of Sata ports)
From left to right:  2 red ports, 3 drk grey ports and 1 blue port.

Underneath all the sata ports are 2 rows of SAS ports... the other 2
images in the series make it clearer.

(two of the sata ports are devoted to sata optical drives)

Since folks here had mentioned that my SAS ports could double as sata
ports my first attempt was to plug two wd black 1tb hdd into the two
SAS ports on the left.

The result was that they were not visible to the bios or OS.  I had to
change the bios setting that governs the sata setup.

The options were posted in another thread with Subject line:
   Subject: booting HP xw8600 from ISO

,
|   SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following options:
|
|RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This emulation
|mode is the default and offers the best performance and most
|functionality.
|
|Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
|only).
|
|Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
|controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).
`

I've been running on the middle setting, since someone posted a note
from oracle saying that was the best to use.

I tried the bottom setting `Combined IDE' and the drives were still
invisible.

I tried RAID + AHCI and the machine will not boot at all.

Before I keep pounding away at all the possible parmutations with 13
ports and 3 possible options.  Please if there is anyone here that
knows how I can use those SAS ports as SATA ... please chime in.

Anyone with a good idea based on experience with similar
hardware... please  respond.  Any input will be avidly received 

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

Right after posting this message ... I'm going to try using the two
RED sata ports... but as I recall, someone here has already mentioned
they had not be able to find a way to use those.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] problem adding drives HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

[...]

> ,
> |   SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following options:
> |
> |RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This emulation
> |mode is the default and offers the best performance and most
> |functionality.
> |
> |Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
> |only).
> |
> |Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
> |controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).
> `
>
> I've been running on the middle setting, since someone posted a note
> from oracle saying that was the best to use.
>
> I tried the bottom setting `Combined IDE' and the drives were still
> invisible.
>
> I tried RAID + AHCI and the machine will not boot at all.
>
> Before I keep pounding away at all the possible parmutations with 13
> ports and 3 possible options.  Please if there is anyone here that
> knows how I can use those SAS ports as SATA ... please chime in.
>
> Anyone with a good idea based on experience with similar
> hardware... please  respond.  Any input will be avidly received 
>
> ---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 
>
> Right after posting this message ... I'm going to try using the two
> RED sata ports... but as I recall, someone here has already mentioned
> they had not be able to find a way to use those.

Attaching drives to the two red sata ports under either of the last 2
options above causing a red light blinking, Beeping, and no POST.

So, ahh, err.  I guess that is not viable..

Attaching sata drives to the 2 left most SAS ports under either of the last
2 options above, ends with the message that there is 'Either a disk error or no 
OS is
found' (Paraphrased... sorry failed to write it down). So again that
does not seem viable...

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] problem adding drives HP xw8600

[Harry Putnam]

Timothy Coalson  writes:

> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Harry Putnam  wrote:
>
>> Harry Putnam  writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > ,
>> > |   SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following
>> options:
>> > |
>> > |RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This emulation
>> > |mode is the default and offers the best performance and most
>> > |functionality.
>> > |
>> > |Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
>> > |only).
>> > |
>> > |Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
>> > |controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).
>> > `
>> >
>> > I've been running on the middle setting, since someone posted a note
>> > from oracle saying that was the best to use.
>> >
>> > I tried the bottom setting `Combined IDE' and the drives were still
>> > invisible.
>> >
>> > I tried RAID + AHCI and the machine will not boot at all.
>> >
>> > Before I keep pounding away at all the possible parmutations with 13
>> > ports and 3 possible options.  Please if there is anyone here that
>> > knows how I can use those SAS ports as SATA ... please chime in.
>> >
>> > Anyone with a good idea based on experience with similar
>> > hardware... please  respond.  Any input will be avidly received
>> >
>> > ---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---
>> >
>> > Right after posting this message ... I'm going to try using the two
>> > RED sata ports... but as I recall, someone here has already mentioned
>> > they had not be able to find a way to use those.
>>
>> Attaching drives to the two red sata ports under either of the last 2
>> options above causing a red light blinking, Beeping, and no POST.
>>
>> So, ahh, err.  I guess that is not viable..
>>
>> Attaching sata drives to the 2 left most SAS ports under either of the last
>> 2 options above, ends with the message that there is 'Either a disk error
>> or no OS is
>> found' (Paraphrased... sorry failed to write it down). So again that
>> does not seem viable...
>>
>> Any help please?
>
>
> A shot in the dark: try not using the gray SAS port, but only low-numbered
> (if you can figure out which those are) SAS ports - I'm thinking back to
> that AIDA64 output in windows showing 4 SAS ports, rather than 8.  Someone
> else commented earlier that the gray SAS port was set as a default boot
> device, so if the disk on it isn't bootable, you might get that error if it
> tries SAS boot before SATA.
>
> You could also try having the boot drive plugged into the gray SAS port -
> if it boots off of it (without anything plugged into the blue SATA port),
> and the BIOS doesn't have satisfactory options to control boot devices (if
> you can't boot from a black SATA port), it might be where you want the
> second drive of a mirrored rpool.

I see how you are coming at it.  But just as a point of information:

I have not connected anything to the grey SAS port.  I used the two
outside ones on the left.  Those are probably high numbered.

So along with your thinking ... maybe I should try the next two beside
the grey SAS going to left.  I think those would be the low numbers
with the grey one probably being the lowest.

I've got to reread some of that AIDA report 
thanks for the input!

Apparently there is now one present who is running similar hardware.

Do you think I should try the illumos.general list?... or are most
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Tools for hardware discovery and reporting

[Harry Putnam]

What tools are available to openindian that are designed to discover
and report on the systems hardware.

I mean besides the ever usefull 'Device driver utility'?

What I'm after currently is to see what the OS thinks of all the SATA
and SAS ports on my motherboard (mobo is part of HP xw8600)
It appears to have 14 ports in all... a mixture of sata and sas.

The `Device driver utility' reports this concerning Storage:

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 
Storage LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS  mpt
Intel corp 631xESB632xESB/3100 chipset SATA IDE Controller  pci-ide
Intel corp 631xESB632xESB IDE controllerpci-ide
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

I'd like to latch onto something that enumerates the individual ports
without having to monkey around and having to boot it with windows



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tools for hardware discovery and reporting

[Harry Putnam]

Marion Hakanson  writes:

> Anyway, for the purpose you describe, "prtconf -Dv" should do.  Search
> its output for the "mpt" driver and devices.

Thanks for the helpful input.

Just a quick note... the hits I get on a grepping prtconf -Dv output
for 'mpt' are that combination of letters in the word `consumption'
... probably now what I'm after  hehe.

prtdiag -v looks like its going to be useful until I notice it does
not mention the hdds at all, let alone the empty sata/sas ports.

One of the sections in the ouput of prtdiag -v that looks like the one
that should contain what I'm looking for:

   On-Board Devices =

Is just empty of any info. It's followed by a full report on all the
slots pci pcie pci-x

Maybe I'm reading it wrong... I've inlined it since it is relatively
short:
Any idea why the devices area is blank?
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

System Configuration: Hewlett-Packard HP xw8600 Workstation
BIOS Configuration: Hewlett-Packard 786F5 v01.46 09/20/2012

 Processor Sockets 

Version  Location Tag
 --
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5470 @ 3.33GHz XU1 PROCESSOR
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5470 @ 3.33GHz XU2 PROCESSOR

 Memory Device Sockets 

TypeStatus Set Device Locator  Bank Locator
--- -- --- --- 
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 1   DIMM01  
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 3   DIMM02  
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 1   DIMM03  
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 3   DIMM04  
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 2   DIMM05  
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 4   DIMM06  
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 2   DIMM07  
DDR2 FBDIMM in use 4   DIMM08  
FLASH   in use 0   SYSTEM ROM  

 On-Board Devices =

 Upgradeable Slots 

ID  StatusType Description
--- -  
1   available PCI  SLOT 1 PCI
2   in usePCI Express  SLOT 2 PCIe x16
3   available PCI Express  SLOT 3 PCIe x8 (4)
4   available PCI Express  SLOT 4 PCIe x16 or x8
3   available PCI Express  SLOT 5 PCIe x1 or x8
3   available PCI Express  SLOT 6 PCIe x8 (4)
5   available PCI-XSLOT 7 PCI-X 133


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] getting over my head on rpool mirror

[Harry Putnam]

I've created rpool mirrors before as a practice on vbox oi guests but
now, on different hardware where its the real deal this time, I'm
running into things I didn't have to deal with before.

Setup: oi 151_9 running on HP xw8600 2x cpu (5470)

First I'll show what fdisk sees on each disk.  Perhaps I made a
mistake during install when I selected to use the whole disk for
install?

Here is the linup:
format:

AVAILABLE DISK SELECTIONS:

,
| These are the two for rpool:
|0. c0d0 
|   /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,2/ide@0/cmdk@0,0
|1. c0d1 
|   /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,2/ide@0/cmdk@1,0
`
   2. c1d0 
  /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,2/ide@1/cmdk@0,0
   3. c1d1 
  /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,2/ide@1/cmdk@1,0

select 0:

fdisk

 Total disk size is 30401 cylinders
 Cylinder size is 16065 (512 byte) blocks

   Cylinders
  Partition   StatusType  Start   End   Length%
  =   ==  =   ===   ==   ===
  1   ActiveSolaris2  1  3040030400100

---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

select 1:

fdisk

 Total disk size is 30401 cylinders
 Cylinder size is 16065 (512 byte) blocks

   Cylinders
  Partition   StatusType  Start   End   Length%
  =   ==  =   ===   ==   ===
  1   ActiveSolaris2  1  3040030400100


---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 
---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---

So, I'm thinking they are setup the same.  But maybe that is not what
the above ouput shows because:

Trying 

zpool attach rpool c0d0 c1d0
cannot label 'c1d0': EFI labeled devices are not supported on root
pools.

OK, doing a little research with google I hit on this:
https://community.oracle.com/thread/2321898?tstart=0

Which gives these steps to fix it:

  1. Get VTOC c0d0
  prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c0d0s0

  2. Create same slice on c0d2. Use format or
  prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c0d0s0| fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c0d2s0

  3. Attach slice.
  zpool attach -f rpool c0d0s0 c0d2s0

First, let me ask where the mysterious appended `s0' came from?  I
guess it means slice number 0?

But anyway, going thru the steps I hit more troubles:


Went smooth until arriving at step 3.  And note that after running  step 2: 
   prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c0d0s0| fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c0d1s0

I checked both disks vtoc with `prtvtoc $disk' on each disk.  The output
looks identical.  And I inspected pretty closely.

  # zpool attach rpool c0d0s0 c0d1s0
  invalid vdev specification
  use '-f' to override the following errors:
  /dev/dsk/c0d1s0 overlaps with /dev/dsk/c0d1s2

So, is it wise to use the -f flag and override the mismatch?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] paging any HP xw8600 users.. or knowledgeable others

[Harry Putnam]

I hope there are folks here who are using HP xw8600 servers.  Or are
knowledgable about them. (Timothy C? perhaps)

I'm having plenty of problems understanding how the various bios
settings, raid settings, LSI settings interplay to make disks be
recognized when plugged into various Sata and SAS ports.

There are some 14 such ports, but so far I've only figured out how to
use the first 4 main sata ports..

I need to get more drives in action to get the 4-5 mirrored zpools I
had hoped for. Rpool and 3-4 others.

In the main bios there seems to be 3 main disk related settings.

In the Main menu of bios from the top menu item `Storage' down to the
`options' item, then to:

  SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following options:

 RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This emulation
 mode is the default and offers the best performance and most
 functionality.

 Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four ports
 only).

 Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an IDE
 controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports only).

That first option seem to be a non-starter for oi OS.  Here it WILL
NOT boot with that selected.

In previous threads I started here, someone posted a URL where oracle
says the 2nd one is the best:
   Separate IDE controller [...]

It will boot on the 3rd option.  I experimented on both 2nd and 3rd

I tried plugging two sata drives into the right most SATA ports
.. that would be the upper row of Sata ports on mobo that are colored
RED. 

I got a red blinking light, loud beeping and no post.

I tried plugging 2 sata hdd into the two right most SAS/SATA ports on
the lowest row but the bios failed to recognize them.

So far I don't seem to have any harm to the OS or Hardware but am a
bit leery of continuing with my ill informed trial and error without
some further coaching from people who know this kind of hardware.

Its my first dealings with a server type of machine.

For anyone interested there is a lengthy hardware and software report
on this machine online.  Only drawback is that it was extracted while
the server was running windows7 (by a tool called AIDA64) .

  http://zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/Aida64_rpt-140718.html

I could really some informed coaching right about now.

Maybe the answer is to add a specific piece of hardware like a SATA
controller ... lord knows I have plenty of empty slots.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] paging any HP xw8600 users.. or knowledgeable others

[Harry Putnam]

Timothy Coalson  writes:

> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Harry Putnam  wrote:
>
>> I hope there are folks here who are using HP xw8600 servers.  Or are
>> knowledgable about them. (Timothy C? perhaps)
>>
>
> I haven't used the model, nor much HP stuff at all...I thought there was a
> reply from someone who had used one earlier...

Ahh right you are... you did say `A shot in the dark' but your reading
of the Aida64 report extracted much more from it than mine did.

I might have missed some hw8600 user in those threads... but looking
back... I'm either still missing it or it isn't on my server.

Apparently there are not a lot of OI users who are also hw8600 users.

Your input has been very helpful and I thank you for it.

I'm starting to think maybe I should just get an addon sata controller
that I understand a little better... It would not be hugely expensive
and I have plenty of slots open.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2x Xeon XS8600

[Harry Putnam]

Murray  writes:

[...]

>> Img2 shows a row of only 2 ports and a row of 6 (while I hold the sata
>> connector wires up out of the way with my hand)
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me what I'm looking at here?  What the color coding
>> means? How many are actually working sata ports?  What does RED
>> indicate?
>> 
>
> Images didn't get through, but from memory, there should be 6 sata
> ports and 8 sas ports on the motherboard. Should be an Lsi 1068e on
> the mobo.
>
> I think I still have one as a spare at work, I will check tomorrow and let 
> you know for sure.
>
> The inside of the hp lid usually has a sticker detailing sata and sas ports, 
> PCI-x and PCI-e slots, etc.
>
> I had very good luck running OI on an 8400 with 12 gb ram.

Murman, can you coach me a bit about how the bios settings regarding
sata ports, and the LSI utility, effects the actual ports themseleves?

There are three options at bios main menu `Storage' and then the
`options', then the SATA Emulation [...] heading item:
  
  SATA Emulation—Sets the SATA emulation mode with the following options:

  RAID + AHCI–both the RAID and AHCI OPROMs execute. This
  emulation mode is the default and offers the best performance
  and most functionality.

  Separate IDE Controller–offers standard SATA supports (four
  ports only).

  Combined IDE Controller–makes the SATA controller look like an
  IDE controller and offers best IDE compatibility (two ports
  only).
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

Here. I am running a version (Openindiana) of solaris 11.

Far as I can see, my setup will only boot with options 2 or 3.  I've
been using 2 (Separate IDE) which is recommended in some of the oracle
documentation. 

WIth that setting, the two RED ports on the upper (main) row of sata
ports are unusable for sata disks.

Further, attempting to plug a pair or wd black, 1tb drives (new) into
the two right most SAS/Sata ports on the bottom row fails.  The bios
fails to recognize them.

So far I've only been able to use the first 4 Sata ports on top row,
beginning with the left most port.

I really need to be able to use all the available Sas/Sata ports for
Sata discs.




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] paging any HP xw8600 users.. or knowledgeable others

[Harry Putnam]

Bryan N Iotti  writes:

> I had an XW8200 for a long while but didn't chime in much because mine was 
> still SCSI+sata. 
>
> I added an LSI SAS 4-port controller on PCIe 4x and haven't looked back until 
> the motherboard died six months ago.

Thank you much for the experienced info.

> I also would suggest an add-on controller, with the caveat that you
> should remember to flash in IT mode and not RAID/IR.

Would that flash step be necessary with most any add on Controler?
And is it a complicated thing to occomplish?


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[Harry Putnam]

Bryan N Iotti  writes:

> Hi,
>
> It's a must (that I know of) only on LSI controllers because
> otherwise performance on ZFS suffers quite a lot.
>
> Other controllers have different quirks, like some adaptecs needing
> a debug flag passed to enable HBA mode.
>
> The IR to IT flash is easy. You need a pendrive with FreeDOS bootable
> and the firmware from LSI. They have pretty decent instructions on
> their website and you should be able to perform the whole procedure in
> less than 30 minutes.
>

[...]

Bob Friesenhahn  writes:

> On Sun, 10 Aug 2014, Harry Putnam wrote:
>>
>>> I also would suggest an add-on controller, with the caveat that you
>>> should remember to flash in IT mode and not RAID/IR.
>>
>> Would that flash step be necessary with most any add on Controler?
>
> No.  It depends on the model number that you order.  Models called an
> "HBA" are likely delivered in IT mode.

Re-iterating the basic hardware involved:
HP xw8600 with 2x CPU 5470 3.33Ghz and 32 GB of RAM

Is this the kind of thing folks are thinking of when suggesting a SAS
card:

(not sure what mail encoding might do, but this should be all one line)

http://www.serversdirect.com/Components/RAID__HBAs/id-DC7125/LSI_SAS_HBA_9211-4i?gclid=Cj0KEQjwsJyfBRC729Oy5Pf26ekBEiQAYtd9QR6E11DYPDk3igwN6YRQhEptdXPnYXPOGVopqtjurmMaAnCq8P8HAQ

Can anyone offer a clue what the marketers of this device might be
talking about under Marketing Information:

   The LSI SAS 9211-4i host bus adapter provides the greatest
   available throughput to internal server storage arrays through four
   internal 6Gb/s ports, driving up to 256 SAS and SATA physical
   devices. This HBA offers dynamic SAS functionality including
   dual-port drive redundancy and SATA compatibility. Utilizing one
   internal x4 SFF8087 Mini-SAS connector, the low-profile SAS 9211-4i
   is an excellent fit for 1U and 2U servers.

I'm pretty confused about the write up... 

The bit about "driving up to 256 SAS and SATA physical devices", in
particular

Am I right in thinking this would add 4 internal SAS/SATA ports? Or
is this something else entirely?
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

Is the big brother of the above device more appropriate?  

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=Cj0KEQjwsJyfBRC729Oy5Pf26ekBEiQAYtd9QSnU5Y0ObEPMFYeXsJhx8rT4KCwHypodSscs5OAWwqcaAjN78P8HAQ&Item=N82E16816118133&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Controllers+%2f+RAID+Cards-_-N82E16816118133&ef_id=U9g1pQAABU0QZGhN:20140810220043:s

Or am I missing the ball altogether?


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[Harry Putnam]

Andrew Gabriel  writes:

>> So far I've only been able to use the first 4 Sata ports on top row,
>> beginning with the left most port.
  
  right

>> I really need to be able to use all the available Sas/Sata ports for
>> Sata discs.
>
> What you really want is AHCI and no RAID.
> Running it as an emulated IDE is rather sub-optimal, but maybe your
> only choice unless you go and buy a separate disk controller.

Is there some way to get that AHCI and no RAID, using the setting in
bios?


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[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Lesle  writes:

> Hello Harry,
>
> when you want to connect SATA drives it is recommend to use only
> 4 drives per SFF8087-SAS-connector and not more. When you use SAS
> drives you can use up to 256 HDDs but you need the corresponding
> hardware like backplane or/and expander.

[...]

Timothy Coalson  writes:

[...]

> Note, the 9207-8i does not have to be reflashed (is already a plain HBA,
> while the 9211-8i comes configured for RAID) and is otherwise basically the
> same thing (also note the 9211-4i also comes configured for RAID, but they
> don't seem to make a 4-port HBA configured version).  While I'm at it,
> there is also a 16-port HBA (9201-16i), if you want to get really crazy
> with number of ports, but I suspect your current constraint will be room in
> the case for drives.

All right... you guys really came thru.  Thanks for all the details,
pointers and warnings about gotchas.

This really helps


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] What encryption options are available? [b 151_9]

[Harry Putnam]

Looking around for a simple to use and setup file encryption setup for
oi.

My googling succeded in thoroughly confusing the heck out of me, and
it appears the systems available are long drawn out complex affairs
and even that may not be part of OI.

Hopefully I've gotten it all wrong.  
I'd hoped for something as simple as `encfs', then read that encryption
was now built into zfs.  But then it appears not to be so for oi?

Can anyone spell out what is available to use on OI 151_9 in the way
of really basic encryption?

I'm basically only looking for something that would baffle script
kiddies.  I don't expect to be attacked by serious players.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What encryption options are available? [b 151_9]

[Harry Putnam]

Bob Friesenhahn  writes:

> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014, Harry Putnam wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully I've gotten it all wrong.
>> I'd hoped for something as simple as `encfs', then read that encryption
>> was now built into zfs.  But then it appears not to be so for oi?
>
> Zfs encryption is for the data stored on disk and is not 'file'
> level. Regardless, it is not provided for OpenIndiana.  FreeBSD has an
> encryption layer which can be used on devices underneath zfs.
>
>> Can anyone spell out what is available to use on OI 151_9 in the way
>> of really basic encryption?
>>
>> I'm basically only looking for something that would baffle script
>> kiddies.  I don't expect to be attacked by serious players.
>
> If you want to protect individual files you could install and use pgp.
>
> The problem with so-called "script kiddies" is that usually such
> scripts are run from within the cone of trust so they have access to
> decrypted data.  If the filesystem automatically decrypts the data for
> the applications (the normal case for an encrypting filesystem), then
> a script running on that filesystem is able to use it.

Thanks for the good info.
Maybe I should provide a description of what I want to do.

With encfs... which I've used on other os's until now, works like this:

Create a password protected container then whatever you put in it is
encrypted.

I keep only things like uid and passwords for the dozens of things one
collects over time, and bits of info I'd rather not share.  Nothing too
drastic.  But I guess UID and Passwd would be enough to drain my bank
account of all 50 bucks ... hehe. 

What I do is (manually )open the containter when I need something
which is usually like once/twice per day or so, then close the
container. So basically it stays encrypted most of the time.

There is no automatic application access involved.

So, I guess a script kiddie would have to first hack my host, then
hack my UID/Passwd, and then hack the passwd on the encrypted
container.

As it is now, even root does not have access to the container without
the passwd.

So, all and all, I guess I'm looking for something that works along
those lines.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What encryption options are available? [b 151_9]

[Harry Putnam]

Al Slater  writes:

> How about a lofi encrypted zvol?
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/darren/entry/encrypting_zfs_pools_using_lofi

Thanks.  I guess its a good idea, but right off hand it looks
seriously complex and uses mostly stuff I know nothing about.  Not to
mention that its 6 yrs old... and doubtful it all works like that still.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What encryption options are available? [b 151_9]

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> Al Slater  writes:
>
>> How about a lofi encrypted zvol?
>>
>> https://blogs.oracle.com/darren/entry/encrypting_zfs_pools_using_lofi
>
> Thanks.  I guess its a good idea, but right off hand it looks
> seriously complex and uses mostly stuff I know nothing about.  Not to
> mention that its 6 yrs old... and doubtful it all works like that still.

Sorry, you may notice a serious shortfall in math aptitude in my
replay above. 


The author `darren' didn't bother to fill in what all those steps are
doing.  Maybe not written for my low skill level.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What encryption options are available? [b 151_9]

[Harry Putnam]

James Carlson  writes:

> On 08/26/14 15:50, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> The author `darren' didn't bother to fill in what all those steps are
>> doing.  Maybe not written for my low skill level.
>
> I agree it's non-trivial, but it's not too hard, and it does show off
> some interesting features in the OS.  The steps (with "#" in front of
> things that must be done with privileges) are:
>

[...]

Oh man, that was a nice walkthru... very helpful, thanks for putting
in the time and effort.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What encryption options are available? [b151_9]

[Harry Putnam]

"Solaris"  writes:

[...]

You've blundered into someone elses thread... namely mine.

hopefully it was an accident.

To answer your question, I think the latest build on offer from oi
pages can be found here:

  http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/

You'd have to download 151a8 then use the pkg system to upgrade to
151_9.





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[OpenIndiana-discuss] nfs oi server - linux clients

[Harry Putnam]

I need a current modern walk thru of what it takes to setup nfs
serving, so that the clients' users are able to access rw and run
scripts or binaries.

First a quite description of the situation:
First and formost I am a terrrible green horn.  I've rarely used nfs. 
And never with solaris as server

  oi server on home lan of a few linux hosts and a few windows hosts.
  Very small network with really only single user usage of the nfs
  shares.

  Home lan is in 10.0.0.0/24 network (All hosts concerned
  here).

Googling can lead to major confusion since the direction are a bit
different (as I understand it) from earlier versions of solaris/oi and
now.

As I understand it, it should take no more than zfs set sharenfs=on.
I guess the old export list etc isn't necessary.

I have set ' zfs set sharenfs=on ' on this share.

But using that theory, what I'm ending up with on the client side:
Is a mounted share that will not allow my user to execute anything.
Where as rw and delete work fine.

When I mount an nfs share on linux (Debian jessie) the mount is setup
in /etc/fstab like so:

# [HP 140814_122407  NFS MOUNTS 
  # 2x.local.lan:/rpub/dv_pub /nfs/rpub-dv-pub  nfs4   rw 0 0
  2x.local.lan:/projects/dv /nfs/projects/dv  nfs4   rw,user,exec 0 0
# ]

You can see the two versions I've tried on different shares.

I've used both of the syntax shown above on the current uncommented
share with the same result as stated above... no execution.

I can read/write/delete but cannot execute a script.

a simple perl script:

cat p.pl:
  #!/usr/local/bin/perl
  
  use strict;
  use warnings;
  
  print "hello world\n";

set with chmod 755

And yes... the perl binary referenced is in place and working.  

Gets this error output:

./p.pl
bash: ./p.pl: Permission denied

And the permissions + owner:group look weird.

OK, where to from here?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] nfs oi server - linux clients

[Harry Putnam]

Hugh McIntyre  writes:

> Hi Harry,
>
> It's possible you have somehow mounted the filesystem locally with
> noexec (unlikely, but you can check with "mount | grep /projects/dv"
> and make sure noexec is not in the options).

Host naming convention for clarity
solsrv is my oi server
lincli is the linux client

Before going on with all the rest... there IS a NOEXEC option set.
Where would that setting be coming from?

Oh, and you mentioned to test `touch file':
You may notice that my OP reports that r/w is working (both ways)

mount |grep dv

solsrv.local.lan:/projects/dv on /nfs/projects/dv type nfs4 
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,vers=4.0,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=10.0.0.27,local_lock=none,addr=10.0.0.8)

Where is that getting set?  Far as I recall, I have not made any
settings that would do that.  Not on lincli or solsrv

Additional info:

During my preparations for nfs I did ensure that my users shared uid
and gid.

I haven't investigated the rest of your suggestions, so back to work


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] nfs oi server - linux clients

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam  writes:

> Hugh McIntyre  writes:
>
>> Hi Harry,
>>
>> It's possible you have somehow mounted the filesystem locally with
>> noexec (unlikely, but you can check with "mount | grep /projects/dv"
>> and make sure noexec is not in the options).
>
> Host naming convention for clarity
> solsrv is my oi server
> lincli is the linux client
>
> Before going on with all the rest... there IS a NOEXEC option set.
> Where would that setting be coming from?

[...]

Problem is solved, to a degree.  Still lots of room for improving my
understanding of why it does what it does.

I was mounting thru /etc/fstab and posted the line:

  srvHOST:/share/mount/point  nfs4   rw,user,exec 0 0

With the line above, execution did not work
---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

  srvHOST:/share/mount/point  nfs4   rw 0 0

Execution also failed with the above line

---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

  srvHOST:/share/mount/point  nfs4   defaults 0 0  

However, with the line above in fstab... execution now works

==

Anyone with more to say about this please feel free to comment.  I can
use all the input I can get.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash bug issue

[Harry Putnam]

Gary Gendel  writes:

> I believe we mostly skirt the issue because, unlike Linux, the default
> shell (/bin/sh) is ksh93 not bash.  This means that under normal
> conditions we shouldn't have an issue.  Only if your cgi scripts
> actually request bash will apache be a problem.  As for ssh, it
> depends upon the login shell for the user.

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] destroy all but specific snapshot

[Harry Putnam]

This is not so easy to find in google searches

How does one go about destroying all but a specific snapshot?  The one
I want is somewhere in the middle timewise So not wanting to use 
`destroy -r'.
 
This is in a .zfs/snapshot/* where there are many auto snaps. So
looking for a way besides destroying -r or 1 by 1.

 


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] destroy all but specific snapshot

[Harry Putnam]

Tim Aslat  writes:

> Simplest option would be something like
>
> zfs list -t snapshot -o name -H -r filesystem/path > /tmp/snaplist.txt
>
> edit /tmp/snaplist.txt to remove the snapshot you want to keep
>
> for SNAP in `cat /tmp/snaplist.txt`
> do
>   zfs destroy $SNAP
> done
>
> My syntax may be a little off with the for loop but I'm sure you get the
> idea.
>
> Cheers

Thanks for the input... I did think of something like that employing
a four loop but it seemed a bit cumbersome 

So I thought I'd check once more thru the oracle stuff online about
snapshots and damned if I didn't stumble up on something that seems to
be one way to go, honestly its not a whole lot less (if any) less
cumbersome though.

  http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/6n7ht6r4f/index.html
  (Look under Holding ZFS Snapshots)
 

It revolves around the `hold' command which is really more of a
property I guess.

You pick out the snap[s] you  want (in my case it was just one) and
label it with: `zfs hold LABEL zp/path/dir@SNAP'

Then you maybe use the -r flag with destroy or a four loop like I did:

I didn't have any complicated snaps behind clones or what not.

cd .../.zfs/snspshot  

  for SNAP in `ls -d *`;do zfs destroy zp/path/dir@${SNAP};done

When it hits the one with the `hold NAME' it reports that fact then
finishes off the rest.

You can then `release' the `hold' with: zfs release zp/path/dir@SNAP


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash bug issue

[Harry Putnam]

Bruce Lilly  writes:

> http://lists.research.att.com/pipermail/ast-developers/2014q3/003964.html

Thanks for that... that is encouraging.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] is oi still a `safe' os

[Harry Putnam]

Sorry if my subject line seems a bit thin.

I've been running oi and opensolaris before it, off and on for a few
yrs.  I like having a home lan zfs server.

I've seen comments in enough posts lately to cause me to worry about
using OI.  People say it is not kept up to date, that there is no
security updates and that in general there is no careful watchdog
group keeping an eye on it.

One or more of those may be wrong or overstated... the problem is I'm
not equipped skill wise to know.

I'd like to hear a few comments from old hands as to whether a
low-skilled admin is still safe using oi for home lan service.

Would I be better off with one of the other branches of solaris OS, or
even the free oracle version?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Yikes, completely unexpected bootup problem

[Harry Putnam]

Setup:  Home lan single user zfs storage and nfs server.
HP xw8600 workstation running build 151_a9

Last night the room where I keep my computers was pretty warm as I
closed things down for the night I decided to shut down the xw8600
which I don't usually do. Its not a terrific heat source but seemed
like anything I could shut down would help the room cool down.

And just so readers don't think this was an unusual sweltering heat up
and start thinking along those lines for cures... it was not unusual
since I am running 4 computers in a small room.  There have been no
reports on any heat up problems so I'm talking about computers at
temperatures well within operating range.

Next day, I discover I cannot get booted up.  The machine goes thru
the usual chain of events but instead of booting on up it ends with a
message like:

`No system disk or disk error... 
replace and strike any key when ready'

My first impulse was to check connections, then boot to bios to see if
any disks were not recognized or if I could see any other indications
of actual hardware problems.

I could see none but don't really have enough experience or skill to
really say it all looked ok.

I can say the discs all appeared in the order I expected.

I have not seen any indications from logs or whatnot giving me any
clues or expectations of a problem.

My setup is using mirrored pools of matched pairs of discs.  The boot
disc and its mirror `should' be able to boot from either one.

So I switched the sata wires so that the mirror would be in the boot
position and tried that got the same result.

>From there I started trying to think what I might have done recently
that would end in this result  The problem is, that the machine
has been up a good while so not so easy to remember everything I've
been doing.

The one thing I came up with as a possible problem creating action was
a very recent install of vbox and the setup of two linux vms.

Installing vbox does fiddle with ethernet addresses and such ... but
its quite a jump to causing a non-bootable situation.

I really don't know how to start debugging this situation and not even
sure what I should be reporting here to give any possible helpful
posters a chance at the problem.

The machine has no cdrom drive as I disconnected them in favor or more
hdd.  So, have not yet booted from a live cd or the like.  I can
either disconnect a non-boot drive and reconnect a cdrom dr or use an
USB. 

Any troubleshooting advice or requests for information would be quite
helpful. 


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] is oi still a `safe' os

[Harry Putnam]

"Nikola M."  writes:

> I suggest including yourself in testing and bug reporting as starting
> contribution point everyone can do.

You may see my level of skill from my next question: What are you
talking about above?  I mean what steps are you actually refering to?

How does one `include themselves in testing'?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Yikes, completely unexpected bootup problem

[Harry Putnam]

John D Groenveld  writes:

> In message <878ukmhi8b@reader.local.lan>, Harry Putnam writes:
>>The machine has no cdrom drive as I disconnected them in favor or more
>>hdd.  So, have not yet booted from a live cd or the like.  I can
>>either disconnect a non-boot drive and reconnect a cdrom dr or use an
>>USB. 
>
> Boot the LiveUSB image and then see if you can interrogate
> your disks.
> http://openindiana.org/download/#live>
>
> John
> groenv...@acm.org

Thanks for the input:

ken mays via openindiana-discuss 
writes:

> 1. Do a full power down (unplug power totally, wait about a minute, replug 
> power)

[...] snipped a nice walkthru as troubleshooter for this problem

It appears your very first suggestion has effected the cure!!.

Thanks for the great input, and the nice series of pointers.



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] About moving to hipster

[Harry Putnam]

Is the wiki page at:

  http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Hipster

Still accurate where it says:

  Switching to "hipster" branch
  [...]
  To upgrade to hipster, do the following:
  pkg unset-publisher openindiana.org
  pkg set-publisher -p http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-2014.1
  pkg update

And would you then be at the most recent version of hipster?

Is there a newer version of firefox in hipster compared oi 151_a9?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Sendmail on oi 151_a9

[Harry Putnam]

Setup: openindiana 151_a9 (A solaris offshoot) on HP xw8600 2x xeon
 5470 - 32 GB ram.  Single user machine on home lan.  Usage is as
 zfs server and nfs server.  Home lan machines are all with fake
 fqdn HOST.local.lan.  Its all very small potatoes.

I'm now thinking of turning lan mail chores over to this server as
well.

I've set up sendmail many times in linux env.  Usually with quite a
lot of help from maillists etc.  But have some idea how to do that.

The extremely brief sendmail.mc on stock install and update to 151_a9
leaves me pondering how to add the things I need to get it working.

I no longer have any my old sendmail.mc configs available.

I used a smart_host using /etc/mail/authinfo / authinfo.db for
authentication with smarthost and have made it work in linux env.

I hoped someone in an at least vaguely similar env (but on OI), could
show a sample sendmail.mc that would give me a big leg up.

I don't really want to start tinkering until I can get a vm with oi
guest setup for testing config  then figured I'd transfer a working
config to my server.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] About moving to hipster

[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Pyhalov  writes:

> Harry Putnam писал 12.10.2014 23:12:
>> Is the wiki page at:
>>
>>   http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Hipster
>>
>> Still accurate where it says:
>>
>>   Switching to "hipster" branch
>>   [...]
>>   To upgrade to hipster, do the following:
>>   pkg unset-publisher openindiana.org
>>   pkg set-publisher -p http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-2014.1
>>   pkg update
>>
>> And would you then be at the most recent version of hipster?
>
> Unfortunately, no. You  can't just update to /hipster. It has a lot of
> *151.1.8 packages
> and IPS just won't let you to install them.
> Currently the only supported method is clean install.

Thanks for the response

That wiki really needs changing.

So, is there an iso for clean install... I did not find one googling.

>> Is there a newer version of firefox in hipster compared oi 151_a9?

> We have 24.8.1.

Good, that's a lot closer to current (32.4) than the 10.0.12 running
on OI 151_a9


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] About moving to hipster

[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Pyhalov  writes:

> Harry Putnam писал 12.10.2014 23:29:
>
>> That wiki really needs changing.
>>
>> So, is there an iso for clean install... I did not find one googling.t
>
> ISOs are available here: http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/

Egad, my googling skills suck.  How'd I miss that

> 20140701 is the latest one. 20141010 should be available really soon
> (don't know when exactly, but I expect to see it tomorrow :)).

Thanks... sounds like a bit of wait will be in order.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sendmail on oi 151_a9

[Harry Putnam]

Gary Mills  writes:

> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:25:26PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> 
>> I've set up sendmail many times in linux env.  Usually with quite a
>> lot of help from maillists etc.  But have some idea how to do that.
>> 
>> The extremely brief sendmail.mc on stock install and update to 151_a9
>> leaves me pondering how to add the things I need to get it working.
>
> The Oracle documents for sendmail on Solaris 11 should cover
> everything you need to configure sendmail on OI.  I can send you some
> sendmail.mc files that I use, but I'd recommend you try the Oracle
> site first.  Their documents are free to use.
 
I prowled a few oracle docs on sendmail before posting and found the
two I looked at to be considerably less than useful.

Navigating oracle solaris docs is not so easily done... at least not
in my experience.

However, with your prompting I dug around some more and found some
really helpful stuff like:
  http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E37670_01/E41138/html/ch15s06.html

which has some nice detailed information.

You mentioned docs for solaris 11.  How do I know when I'm looking at
solaris 11 and not something a bit older?


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] About moving to hipster

[Harry Putnam]

ken mays via openindiana-discuss 
writes:
> See:
>
> http://dlc-origin.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-gui-20141010.iso
>

[...]

Thanks to both Alexander Pyhalov and you for that URL

Alexanders, your awaited iso was already there when I looked
yesterday.  Thanks

Can any of you tell me how one navigates the pkgs.  In my install
there seems to be no pkg manager.  

I'm familiar with the pkg cmdline but digging out specific stuff
without the name is a bit primitive. And time consuming.

There are some specific tools one needs to be able to build pkgs from
source ... the developer/gnu  is one.  But there are others I don't
recall the names of.

For example, I'm having a problem building an external pkg called
xbindkeys.

  checking for gawk... gawk
  checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
  checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
  checking for gcc... no
  checking for cc... no
  checking for cl.exe... no
  configure: error: in `/usr/local/src/xbindkeys-1.8.6_2':
  configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
  See `config.log' for more details


So I start mucking around for gcc and find quite a bit with 'pkg search'

What pkgs do I need to be able to do this?


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] [hipster] bug or pilot error

[Harry Putnam]

Fressh install of newest hipster OI-hipster-gui-20141010.iso

This is my first adventure with hipster so not really sure what kind
of thing to holler about in the way of bug type stuff.

Checking here to see if this issue should be a bug report.

I had occasion to install a pkg I don't recall which now but probable
guile. Or maybe gcc related.

It required 4 other packages to meet install requirements.

Watching the action from pkg cmdline.  I see that 4 other pkgs are
being installed, but never see any indication of what they are.

Even the sort of report that appears at the end of installing
something... All I see is that 5 pkgs were installed.

On trodding around in the `pkg manpage'... I never really saw a way to
get a list of pkgs in order of being installed.  Of the many ways to
use the `list' subcmd... I never saw a way to get such a list.

During an install operation Is there supposed to be some evidence of
what is getting installed.  Or at least what has just been installed.

I mean besides the pkg on the cmdline.

Am I seeing a bug?




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] About moving to hipster

[Harry Putnam]

Predrag Zecevic  writes:

> Am 13.10.2014 um 17:42 schrieb Harry Putnam:
>> ken mays via openindiana-discuss 
>> writes:
>>> See:
>>>
>>> http://dlc-origin.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-gui-20141010.iso
>>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Thanks to both Alexander Pyhalov and you for that URL
>>
>> Alexanders, your awaited iso was already there when I looked
>> yesterday.  Thanks
>>
>> Can any of you tell me how one navigates the pkgs.  In my install
>> there seems to be no pkg manager.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the pkg cmdline but digging out specific stuff
>> without the name is a bit primitive. And time consuming.
>>
>> There are some specific tools one needs to be able to build pkgs from
>> source ... the developer/gnu  is one.  But there are others I don't
>> recall the names of.
>>
>> For example, I'm having a problem building an external pkg called
>> xbindkeys.
>>
>>checking for gawk... gawk
>>checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
>>checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
>>checking for gcc... no
>>checking for cc... no
>>checking for cl.exe... no
>>configure: error: in `/usr/local/src/xbindkeys-1.8.6_2':
>>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
>>See `config.log' for more details
>>
>>
>> So I start mucking around for gcc and find quite a bit with 'pkg search'
>>
>> What pkgs do I need to be able to do this?
>>

That giving me a heck of a start... thanks


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sendmail on oi 151_a9

[Harry Putnam]

Alan Coopersmith  writes:

> On 10/13/14 08:30 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> You mentioned docs for solaris 11.  How do I know when I'm looking at
>> solaris 11 and not something a bit older?
>
> Solaris 11 docs have a new style with "Oracle Solaris 11 Information Library"
> (or whatever release version) clearly visible in the top bar, such as on:
> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/E24456/glrcj.html
>

[...]

Thanks for useful input... that helps immensely.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sendmail on oi 151_a9

[Harry Putnam]

Gary Mills  writes:

> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:25:26PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> 
>> I've set up sendmail many times in linux env.  Usually with quite a
>> lot of help from maillists etc.  But have some idea how to do that.
>> 
>> The extremely brief sendmail.mc on stock install and update to 151_a9
>> leaves me pondering how to add the things I need to get it working.
>
> The Oracle documents for sendmail on Solaris 11 should cover
> everything you need to configure sendmail on OI.  I can send you some
> sendmail.mc files that I use, but I'd recommend you try the Oracle
> site first.  Their documents are free to use.

I'm sorry to report that after spending a good while now in those
documents under Ch 1 About Mail Services and right on down the line
under that heading.  Including Chapter 3 mail Services (Reference)

I have yet to find much that is helpful in creating a sendmail.mc.  I
have not found a single example of a sendmail.mc in those docs.

There are piles of information about how to test, what to do once you
have a working sendmail.mc... but precious little about actually
creating one.  

Apparently it was felt the reader should already know the nuts and
bolts of creating sendmail.cf


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [hipster] bug or pilot error

[Harry Putnam]

Alexander Pyhalov  writes:


[...]

> Do I understand correctly that you want pkg to be more verbose?
>
> "pkg install -nv something" will tell you what it's going to do.
> "pkg install -v something" will tell you what it's going to do and
> actually do it.

Egad, of course, of course the `-v' switch sorry for wasting bandwidth.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sendmail on oi 151_a9

[Harry Putnam]

The Outsider  writes:

> I am curious what you want to change to sendmail?

add smarthost and authentication.  Something I've done many times on
various linux OS.  But finding that there too I'm now having trouble.
There may have been a few changes in sendmail itself since my last
thorough going foray into sendmail  I switched to exim4 on my
debian boxes... but will admit I had a big struggle with that too. 

Its become apparent long ago that the pilot(me) is what is wanting here.

I found an this documenmt (which I posted a few replies back)
  http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E37670_01/E41138/html/ch15s06.html

That seems to spell things out rather clearly.  But still no workee.
(More on that later)

> It still would suggest the use of webmin, since it will let you set
> and change 85% of the sendmail setting in 5 minutes.

I've always done sendmail by hand (with the aid of m4 of course)  The
trick here is finding what things to add to the very brief existing
sendmail.mc and of course getting the right syntax.

I've got a start going which I will post at the end.

The error that is killing me right now comes up when m4ing sendmail.mc
to sendmail.cf

The error itself:

  root # make sendmail.cf
  test ! -f sendmail.cf || /usr/bin/mv sendmail.cf sendmail.cf.prev
  /usr/ccs/bin/m4 ../m4/cf.m4 sendmail.mc > sendmail.cf

  /usr/ccs/bin/m4:sendmail.mc:31 cannot open file: No such file or directory
  include(../feature/authinfo.m4)
  make: *** [sendmail.cf] Error 1

Hard to tell what file it is having trouble finding... If I'm reading
this right, I can find out at line 31 of my sendmail.mc  which says:

  FEATURE(`authinfo',`hash /etc/mail/auth/authinfo')dnl

I created the directory and the authinfo file and as you see they are
in place:


root # ls -l /etc/mail/auth
  total 82
  -rw--- 1 root root66 Oct 13 11:55 authinfo
  -rw--- 1 root root 81920 Oct 13 16:15 authinfo.db

Or maybe it is referring to ` /usr/ccs/bin/m4 '  Which is in fact
absent:

   root # ls -l /usr/css/bin/m4
  ls: cannot access /usr/css/bin/m4: No such file or directory

Or maybe its referring to `include(../feature/authinfo.m4)'

I don't know what the heck it means.

A line numbered version of sendmail.mc

 1  divert(-1)
 2  #
 3  # Copyright (c) 1983 Eric P. Allman
 4  # Copyright (c) 1988, 1993
 5  #   The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.
 6  #
 7  # Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All rights reserved.
 8  # Use is subject to license terms.
 9  #
10  #  This is a configuration file for SunOS 5.8 (a.k.a. Solaris 8) and later
11  #  subsidiary machines.  It has support for local and SMTP mail.  The
12  #  confFALLBACK_SMARTHOST macro is enabled, which means that messages will
13  #  be sent to that host (which is set to mailhost.$m [$m is the local 
domain])
14  #  if MX records are unavailable.  A short-cut rule is also defined, which
15  #  says if the recipient host is in the local domain, send to it directly
16  #  instead of the smart host.
17  #
18  #  If you want to customize this further, copy it to a name appropriate
19  #  for your environment and do the modifications there.
20  #
21
22  divert(0)dnl
23  VERSIONID(`sendmail.mc (Sun)')
24  OSTYPE(`solaris8')dnl
25  DOMAIN(`solaris-generic')dnl
26  define(`SMART_host', `[mail.messagingengine.com]')dnl
27  dnl define(`confFALLBACK_SMARTHOST', `mailhost$?m.$m$.')dnl
28  define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl
29  define(`RELAY_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 587')dnl
30  define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `EXTERNAL GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN 
PLAIN')dnl
31  FEATURE(`authinfo',`hash /etc/mail/auth/authinfo')dnl
32  FEATURE(local_procmail)dnl
33  define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A p y')dnl
34
35  MAILER(`local')dnl
36  MAILER(`smtp')dnl
37  MAILER(`procmail')dnl
38
39  LOCAL_NET_CONFIG
40  R$* < @ $* .$m. > $*$#esmtp $@ $2.$m $: $1 < @ $2.$m. > $3


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sendmail on oi 151_a9

[Harry Putnam]

Bob Friesenhahn  writes:

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Harry Putnam wrote:
>>
>> I have yet to find much that is helpful in creating a sendmail.mc.  I
>> have not found a single example of a sendmail.mc in those docs.
>>
>> There are piles of information about how to test, what to do once you
>> have a working sendmail.mc... but precious little about actually
>> creating one.
>>
>> Apparently it was felt the reader should already know the nuts and
>> bolts of creating sendmail.cf
>
> Oracle documentation is almost the last place you would want to go to
> learn about configuring sendmail.

Thank you, yes, I agree.

> The best information available may be found on your system in the file
> /etc/mail/cf/README, which is provided by the sendmail package.

I've used that file many times to look up what one or another stanza
in a sample *.mc was supposed to do.  So, I agree.  Its good to know
about. However, in 4311 lines there is not one concrete example of a
sendmail.mc that user can take apart rearrange and etc.

It turns out on oi, oi-hipster the setup is all rigged up in
/etc/mail/cf/cf with makefiles that pull out the m4 tools for you. 

You just say `make sendmail.cf' after editing sendmail.mc


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