Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Dear OpenOCD community, How large is the community of OpenOCD developers/contributors? In other words - how many votes should we collect before a fair decision can be taken? https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png I'm also curious for the vote of Mr. Dominic Rath - the original OpenOCD developer ^_^. Can anyone contact him? Kind regards, Kristof Mulier PS: @Jens, thank you for your vote. Page is updated. - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: "Jens Bauer" Aan: "kristof mulier" Cc: "openocd-devel" Verzonden: Zaterdag 10 oktober 2020 20:22:01 Onderwerp: Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo Hi Kristof. Sorry about the bounce. This is due to that I'm attempting to get my *very* broken mail-server working with a new Linux release. I do not expect the 'permanent error' that you experienced to happen again. Here's an update on my vote, which include the new 'keyhole' icon: [8, 9, 1, 10, 6, 2, 3, 5, 4, 7] (I just realized that number 1 could also be seen as 'chip-on-a-leash') Love Jens On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 19:52:13 +0200 (CEST), kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: > Dear OpenOCD community, > > I've registered some more votes from community members > (thank you). I also had the request from Martin Meyer > to draw a new logo inspired on the typical open-source > symbol. Please have a look, it's logo nr. 10: > > https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png > > After adding the logo, I scaled all your scores. So a > +4 => +5, +3 => +4, etc. This way I create an extra > spot for the new logo. > > For those who already voted, please send a new ordered > list (most to least favorite). You can also leave it as > is, in which case the new logo gets the neutral (zero) > score in your row. > > @Jens, thank you for your kind words. I tried to send > you a thank-you mail (to j...@plustv.dk) but the mail > bounced back. Not sure why. > > Kind regards, > Kristof Mulier > > > > > > > > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Hi Kristof. Sorry about the bounce. This is due to that I'm attempting to get my *very* broken mail-server working with a new Linux release. I do not expect the 'permanent error' that you experienced to happen again. Here's an update on my vote, which include the new 'keyhole' icon: [8, 9, 1, 10, 6, 2, 3, 5, 4, 7] (I just realized that number 1 could also be seen as 'chip-on-a-leash') Love Jens On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 19:52:13 +0200 (CEST), kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: > Dear OpenOCD community, > > I've registered some more votes from community members > (thank you). I also had the request from Martin Meyer > to draw a new logo inspired on the typical open-source > symbol. Please have a look, it's logo nr. 10: > > https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png > > After adding the logo, I scaled all your scores. So a > +4 => +5, +3 => +4, etc. This way I create an extra > spot for the new logo. > > For those who already voted, please send a new ordered > list (most to least favorite). You can also leave it as > is, in which case the new logo gets the neutral (zero) > score in your row. > > @Jens, thank you for your kind words. I tried to send > you a thank-you mail (to j...@plustv.dk) but the mail > bounced back. Not sure why. > > Kind regards, > Kristof Mulier > > > > > > > > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Dear OpenOCD community, I've registered some more votes from community members (thank you). I also had the request from Martin Meyer to draw a new logo inspired on the typical open-source symbol. Please have a look, it's logo nr. 10: [ https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png | https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png ] After adding the logo, I scaled all your scores. So a +4 => +5, +3 => +4, etc. This way I create an extra spot for the new logo. For those who already voted, please send a new ordered list (most to least favorite) . You can also leave it as is, in which case the new logo gets the neutral (zero) score in your row. @Jens, thank you for your kind words. I tried to send you a thank-you mail (to [ mailto:j...@plustv.dk | j...@plustv.dk ] ) but the mail bounced back. Not sure why. Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Thanks for the feedback Jens! Sorry if I sounded too harsh. I get your point now, and I had forgotten the D on OCD meaning. But I think a zap and a bug and a chip is too much information for a logo. Maybe it would be better to keep just one of then with the chip. Cheers, Martin Em sex, 9 de out de 2020 16:31, Jens Bauer escreveu: > Hi Martin. > > I absolutely agree with you on OpenOCD (Open-On-Chip-Debugger) is for more > than killing bugs. > My main reason for suggesting the 'bug' is that the 'D' in OpenOCD is an > abbreviation for "Debugger". > -But it's not just a flash-tool either. OpenOCD differs from other > flash-tools by being a debugger, which makes it stand out a lot (in > addition to being universal for many targets and many platforms). > > A more "describing" name would probably be "OpenOCT", Open-On-Chip-Tool, > since it has multiple purposes. > > That said, I do not think OpenOCD should be renamed; it's had its name for > a long time and everyone using it knows it by that name. > > Maybe it would be better to 'zap' the bug by a "flash" of lightning ? ;) > -That would include both debugging and flashing - but icons / logos should > also be easy to understand. > > I do like that Kristof is focusing on shape without color; color can > easily be added and it can easily make a shape more clear. > > Personally, I'm using it for flashing Cortex-M based microcontrollers most > of the time, but at times, I do find myself using it as a debugger and for > investigating data inside a MCU's RAM or registers (also a kind of > debugging; eg. verifying that my data are correct - or trying to figure out > what went wrong). > I'm only using it for "unlocking" when a MCU is locked from a board > manufacturer; this is only necessary on flashing the first time, so I > consider that to be a part of 'flashing', though technically it isn't. > > One word that is seen often in relation to OpenOCD, is 'hacking' (meaning > "making modifications to something, in order to get it to function > properly"). Basically that would more or less cover both flashing and > debugging, though it might remove the focus from flashing and debugging. > > > Love > Jens > > On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:49:45 -0300, Martin Meier wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I haven't developed anything for the OpenOCD, so I don't think my > > vote should count as a developer. Bus as a "customer", I'd like to > > say that I like the logo idea from opensource/openhardware > > communities, because of the relation with the "OPEN" word: > > > > https://reelyactive.github.io/images/osi-oshw.png > > > > Maybe something like this (but not made in m$paint): > > > > or this (unlock your mcu full potential!): > > > > > > Regarding the existing options, I like the options 4 (more dynamic) > > and 5 (more emphasis on the "OPEN" side). > > Regarding Jens options (bug image), I liked it at first, but after > > thinking a while... Although openOCD is a "debugger", it can also be > > used in production (the reason I found it) and embedded development > > is not only about killing bugs... > > But that's just my 2 cents... > > > > Thanks for the amazing work! > > > > Martin > > > > > > Em qui., 8 de out. de 2020 às 13:19, Spencer Oliver > > escreveu: > >> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 10:35, wrote: > >>> Dear OpenOCD developers, > >>> > >>> Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? > >>> As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, > >>> which you can find here: > >>> > >>> https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png > >>> > >>> Some of you already voted for a logo: > >>> > >>> - Tomas Vanek > >>> - Anton Krug > >>> - Antonio Borneo > >>> - Andreas Bolsch > >>> - Tommy Murphy > >>> - Vladimir Zapolskiy > >>> - Oleksij Rempel > >>> - Jan Matyas > >>> - Paul Fertser > >>> - Tarek Bouchkati > >>> > >>> The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at > >>> the top). Please feel free to: > >>> > >>> - Change your mind (just send me a mail to > >>> change your vote). > >>> > >>> - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy > >>> to make new drawings. > >>> > >> > >> thanks they look great - my vote is A6. > >> > >> Spen > >> ___ > >> OpenOCD-devel mailing list > >> OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel > > > > ___ > > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Hi Martin. I absolutely agree with you on OpenOCD (Open-On-Chip-Debugger) is for more than killing bugs. My main reason for suggesting the 'bug' is that the 'D' in OpenOCD is an abbreviation for "Debugger". -But it's not just a flash-tool either. OpenOCD differs from other flash-tools by being a debugger, which makes it stand out a lot (in addition to being universal for many targets and many platforms). A more "describing" name would probably be "OpenOCT", Open-On-Chip-Tool, since it has multiple purposes. That said, I do not think OpenOCD should be renamed; it's had its name for a long time and everyone using it knows it by that name. Maybe it would be better to 'zap' the bug by a "flash" of lightning ? ;) -That would include both debugging and flashing - but icons / logos should also be easy to understand. I do like that Kristof is focusing on shape without color; color can easily be added and it can easily make a shape more clear. Personally, I'm using it for flashing Cortex-M based microcontrollers most of the time, but at times, I do find myself using it as a debugger and for investigating data inside a MCU's RAM or registers (also a kind of debugging; eg. verifying that my data are correct - or trying to figure out what went wrong). I'm only using it for "unlocking" when a MCU is locked from a board manufacturer; this is only necessary on flashing the first time, so I consider that to be a part of 'flashing', though technically it isn't. One word that is seen often in relation to OpenOCD, is 'hacking' (meaning "making modifications to something, in order to get it to function properly"). Basically that would more or less cover both flashing and debugging, though it might remove the focus from flashing and debugging. Love Jens On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:49:45 -0300, Martin Meier wrote: > Hi guys, > I haven't developed anything for the OpenOCD, so I don't think my > vote should count as a developer. Bus as a "customer", I'd like to > say that I like the logo idea from opensource/openhardware > communities, because of the relation with the "OPEN" word: > > https://reelyactive.github.io/images/osi-oshw.png > > Maybe something like this (but not made in m$paint): > > or this (unlock your mcu full potential!): > > > Regarding the existing options, I like the options 4 (more dynamic) > and 5 (more emphasis on the "OPEN" side). > Regarding Jens options (bug image), I liked it at first, but after > thinking a while... Although openOCD is a "debugger", it can also be > used in production (the reason I found it) and embedded development > is not only about killing bugs... > But that's just my 2 cents... > > Thanks for the amazing work! > > Martin > > > Em qui., 8 de out. de 2020 às 13:19, Spencer Oliver > escreveu: >> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 10:35, wrote: >>> Dear OpenOCD developers, >>> >>> Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? >>> As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, >>> which you can find here: >>> >>> https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png >>> >>> Some of you already voted for a logo: >>> >>> - Tomas Vanek >>> - Anton Krug >>> - Antonio Borneo >>> - Andreas Bolsch >>> - Tommy Murphy >>> - Vladimir Zapolskiy >>> - Oleksij Rempel >>> - Jan Matyas >>> - Paul Fertser >>> - Tarek Bouchkati >>> >>> The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at >>> the top). Please feel free to: >>> >>> - Change your mind (just send me a mail to >>> change your vote). >>> >>> - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy >>> to make new drawings. >>> >> >> thanks they look great - my vote is A6. >> >> Spen >> ___ >> OpenOCD-devel mailing list >> OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel > > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Hi guys, I haven't developed anything for the OpenOCD, so I don't think my vote should count as a developer. Bus as a "customer", I'd like to say that I like the logo idea from opensource/openhardware communities, because of the relation with the "OPEN" word: https://reelyactive.github.io/images/osi-oshw.png Maybe something like this (but not made in m$paint): [image: image.png] or this (unlock your mcu full potential!): [image: image.png] [image: image.png] Regarding the existing options, I like the options 4 (more dynamic) and 5 (more emphasis on the "OPEN" side). Regarding Jens options (bug image), I liked it at first, but after thinking a while... Although openOCD is a "debugger", it can also be used in production (the reason I found it) and embedded development is not only about killing bugs... But that's just my 2 cents... Thanks for the amazing work! Martin Em qui., 8 de out. de 2020 às 13:19, Spencer Oliver escreveu: > On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 10:35, wrote: > >> Dear OpenOCD developers, >> >> Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? >> As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, >> which you can find here: >> >> https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png >> >> Some of you already voted for a logo: >> >> - Tomas Vanek >> - Anton Krug >> - Antonio Borneo >> - Andreas Bolsch >> - Tommy Murphy >> - Vladimir Zapolskiy >> - Oleksij Rempel >> - Jan Matyas >> - Paul Fertser >> - Tarek Bouchkati >> >> The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at >> the top). Please feel free to: >> >> - Change your mind (just send me a mail to >> change your vote). >> >> - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy >> to make new drawings. >> >> > thanks they look great - my vote is A6. > > Spen > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel > ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page
Here are my choices from most favorite to least: [ 1, 6, 4, 7, 8, 9, 3, 2, 5 ] Ed ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page
... and this is how we'll soon need a PhD to choose a logo... ;-) Regards, Liviu ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page
Oh, thanks Kristof. My mistake. I don't know why I assumed that one could only choose 4 from the 9! Makes sense now. I'll send my votes asap. From: Tommy Murphy Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:34:25 AM To: kristof.mul...@telenet.be ; openocd-devel Subject: Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page The voting is not clear to me - what do 2nd and 3rd preferences get? 1st preference = +4 2nd preference = ? 3rd preference = ? 4th preference = -4 If 2nd gets +2 and 3rd gets -2 then it is not linear? From: kristof.mul...@telenet.be Sent: Friday 9 October 2020 10:43 To: openocd-devel Subject: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page Dear developers and contributors, Thank you for all the e-mails with your votes. Some of you had concerns about the voting mechanism: one could only vote for a favorite, but there was no way to express your dislike for one or more logos. NEW VOTING MECHANISM = That's why I propose a new system. Each of you can send me a list of logo-numbers. The first logo in your list gets +4 points. The last one gets -4 points. Linear and simple. NEW LINK = I abandoned the "logo-matrix", because everyone(*) selected logos from the first row. There was no point in keeping the matrix. We're back to a linear selection (just one "row", no more matrix). You can find the new logo voting page here: https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png (*) I received only one vote for a logo in row B, so I added that logo to the new page. TWO NEW LOGOS == You will notice I've drawn two new logos (nr. 8 and 9). This was a request from Jens Bauer. SOME FINAL THOUGHTS 1. Please don't forget to send me your "list" of logos, ordered from most favorite (+4) to least (-4). 2. Please feel free to suggest modifications to one or more logos, or a suggestion for drawing a new one. 3. My goal is that everyone feels comfortable with the final logo we choose. I know that this project is like a "baby" to many of you. It's normal to get emotionally attached to something you've invested so much time in. That's why it's important we find a logo everyone likes :-) Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page
Hi @Tommy, I'm sorry for the confusion. Each logo has a number. There are currently 9 logos. So they are numbered logo_1 , logo_2 , logo_3 , ..., logo_9 . You should order the logos from "most liked" to "least liked" (disliked). For example, you really like logo_2 , then logo_4 , then logo_3 , etc: mylist = [ 2, 4, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 7, 1 ] or more explicitely: mylist = [ logo_2 , logo_4 , logo_3 , logo_5 , logo_6 , logo_8 , logo_9 , logo_7 , logo_1 ] Next, I will assign "points" to each of them: logo _ 2 : +4 logo _ 4 : +3 logo _ 3 : +2 logo _ 5 : +1 logo _ 6 : +0 logo _ 8 : -1 logo _ 9 : -2 logo _ 7 : -3 logo _ 1 : -4 The logo you like most gets +4. The logo you really dislike most gets -4. Kind regards, Kristof Van: "Tommy Murphy" Aan: "kristof mulier" , "openocd-devel" Verzonden: Vrijdag 9 oktober 2020 12:34:25 Onderwerp: Re: Logo voting: new page The voting is not clear to me - what do 2nd and 3rd preferences get? 1st preference = +4 2nd preference = ? 3rd preference = ? 4th preference = -4 If 2nd gets +2 and 3rd gets -2 then it is not linear? From: kristof.mul...@telenet.be Sent: Friday 9 October 2020 10:43 To: openocd-devel Subject: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page Dear developers and contributors, Thank you for all the e-mails with your votes. Some of you had concerns about the voting mechanism: one could only vote for a favorite, but there was no way to express your dislike for one or more logos. NEW VOTING MECHANISM = That's why I propose a new system. Each of you can send me a list of logo-numbers. The first logo in your list gets +4 points. The last one gets -4 points. Linear and simple. NEW LINK = I abandoned the "logo-matrix", because everyone(*) selected logos from the first row. There was no point in keeping the matrix. We're back to a linear selection (just one "row", no more matrix). You can find the new logo voting page here: https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png (*) I received only one vote for a logo in row B, so I added that logo to the new page. TWO NEW LOGOS == You will notice I've drawn two new logos (nr. 8 and 9). This was a request from Jens Bauer. SOME FINAL THOUGHTS 1. Please don't forget to send me your "list" of logos, ordered from most favorite (+4) to least (-4). 2. Please feel free to suggest modifications to one or more logos, or a suggestion for drawing a new one. 3. My goal is that everyone feels comfortable with the final logo we choose. I know that this project is like a "baby" to many of you. It's normal to get emotionally attached to something you've invested so much time in. That's why it's important we find a logo everyone likes :-) Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page
The voting is not clear to me - what do 2nd and 3rd preferences get? 1st preference = +4 2nd preference = ? 3rd preference = ? 4th preference = -4 If 2nd gets +2 and 3rd gets -2 then it is not linear? From: kristof.mul...@telenet.be Sent: Friday 9 October 2020 10:43 To: openocd-devel Subject: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page Dear developers and contributors, Thank you for all the e-mails with your votes. Some of you had concerns about the voting mechanism: one could only vote for a favorite, but there was no way to express your dislike for one or more logos. NEW VOTING MECHANISM = That's why I propose a new system. Each of you can send me a list of logo-numbers. The first logo in your list gets +4 points. The last one gets -4 points. Linear and simple. NEW LINK = I abandoned the "logo-matrix", because everyone(*) selected logos from the first row. There was no point in keeping the matrix. We're back to a linear selection (just one "row", no more matrix). You can find the new logo voting page here: https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png (*) I received only one vote for a logo in row B, so I added that logo to the new page. TWO NEW LOGOS == You will notice I've drawn two new logos (nr. 8 and 9). This was a request from Jens Bauer. SOME FINAL THOUGHTS 1. Please don't forget to send me your "list" of logos, ordered from most favorite (+4) to least (-4). 2. Please feel free to suggest modifications to one or more logos, or a suggestion for drawing a new one. 3. My goal is that everyone feels comfortable with the final logo we choose. I know that this project is like a "baby" to many of you. It's normal to get emotionally attached to something you've invested so much time in. That's why it's important we find a logo everyone likes :-) Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
[OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting: new page
Dear developers and contributors, Thank you for all the e-mails with your votes. Some of you had concerns about the voting mechanism: one could only vote for a favorite, but there was no way to express your dislike for one or more logos. NEW VOTING MECHANISM = That's why I propose a new system. Each of you can send me a list of logo-numbers. The first logo in your list gets +4 points. The last one gets -4 points. Linear and simple. NEW LINK = I abandoned the "logo-matrix", because everyone(*) selected logos from the first row. There was no point in keeping the matrix. We're back to a linear selection (just one "row", no more matrix). You can find the new logo voting page here: https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_votes.png (*) I received only one vote for a logo in row B, so I added that logo to the new page. TWO NEW LOGOS == You will notice I've drawn two new logos (nr. 8 and 9). This was a request from Jens Bauer. SOME FINAL THOUGHTS 1. Please don't forget to send me your "list" of logos, ordered from most favorite (+4) to least (-4). 2. Please feel free to suggest modifications to one or more logos, or a suggestion for drawing a new one. 3. My goal is that everyone feels comfortable with the final logo we choose. I know that this project is like a "baby" to many of you. It's normal to get emotionally attached to something you've invested so much time in. That's why it's important we find a logo everyone likes :-) Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting
Hi All, I would like to vote for A4 Best regards, Noel Diviney. Noel Diviney Ayrenet Pty Ltd, Unit 3,80-88 Rodeo Drive, Dandenong South, Victoria 3175, Australia. Phone +61 413 120 892 email n...@ayrenet.com or div...@hotmail.com From: kristof.mul...@telenet.be Sent: Friday, 9 October 2020 4:19 AM To: openocd-devel Subject: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting Hi, I've registered the votes today from: - Liviu Ionescu - Moritz Fischer - Oliver Spencer Your votes are now added to the "document": https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnew.embeetle.com%2Ffigures%2Flogo_matrix.png&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cca74db6a48434dc74c0108d86bae8dfa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637377744730379647&sdata=rcehstDIoDBlmw%2FhJKMOR5b12ALIJ0%2Bt0QiAywDc9fQ%3D&reserved=0> @Tommy Murphy, I received your mail about the USB cable in logos A1 and A6. You certainly have a point (not all probes/ dongles are USB-based). Two ideas come to my mind: 1. The cable in the logo is not necessarily a USB-cable. It is a general, non-detailed cable. But I admit that it looks somewhat like USB - so perhaps this "argument" is not really satisfying. 2. Perhaps some colleague OpenOCD developers will change their vote after reading your mail. So maybe A1 or A6 won't be selected after all. 3. Once this first round has finished and we have a "winner logo", we can still organize a second round. Say logo X gets selected, then I'll draw a couple of logos that look very much like logo X, with some subtle differences between them. Kind of a second iteration step to reach the "optimal" logo :-) In this second round, I can pay extra attention to draw some of them with a cable that looks more "general" (not just USB). It would be painful if you really dislike the final logo, so I'll do my best to find a good compromise. ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Hi Kristof. None of the logos suggested, really caught my eye as being 'this is OpenOCD'. How about a chip on a spraycan and a cross over an insect ? ... or just a cross over an insect on a chip ? Love Jens On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 11:32:11 +0200 (CEST), kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: > Dear OpenOCD developers, > > Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? > As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, > which you can find here: > > https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png > > Some of you already voted for a logo: > > - Tomas Vanek > - Anton Krug > - Antonio Borneo > - Andreas Bolsch > - Tommy Murphy > - Vladimir Zapolskiy > - Oleksij Rempel > - Jan Matyas > - Paul Fertser > - Tarek Bouchkati > > The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at > the top). Please feel free to: > > - Change your mind (just send me a mail to > change your vote). > > - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy > to make new drawings. > > Kind regards, > Kristof Mulier > > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting
If you want to properly handle this vote, you should let every voter rank the options, instead of letting them change their vote based on perceived results. I like https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ for this, but there are other sites that let you do it. I have no opinion on which logo should be chosen, but I'm quite opinionated when it comes to how votes should be held. :-) Tim On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:26 PM Liviu Ionescu wrote: > > > > On 8 Oct 2020, at 20:19, kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: > > > > Once this first round has finished and we have a "winner logo", > > we can still organize a second round. > > after the first round we have 5 votes for A1 and 8 agains, so I would not > declare A1 the winner yet. > > since A2 has no chance, I move my vote to A4. as Tommy mentioned, I don't > like the connector, and definitely not the curly one. > > > > regards, > > Liviu > > > > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel > ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting
I would like to move my vote to A4 if that's ok now? From: Liviu Ionescu Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 9:27:42 PM To: Tim Newsome Cc: openocd-devel Subject: Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting > On 8 Oct 2020, at 22:28, Tim Newsome wrote: > > ... I'm quite opinionated when it comes to how votes should be held. :-) well, there are many voting systems, but for choosing a logo I think we can do it without special software. the systems we can consider are: - in one round, by taking the max count choice; not very fair if the top choice has less votes that the other combined; - in two rounds, by taking the two top choices and voting again (like when electing mayors); - in several iteration by eliminating the min count choice and redistributing votes, until a single choice remains or until the top choice has more votes than the other combined; quite fair, I would say; btw, this is how Boris Johnson was elected PM. for now, from the 4 initial choices, A2 got eliminated, so we have 3 choices left. if Tommy can redistribute his vote too, we'll be in the second iteration; one more and we should be done. regards, Liviu ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting
> On 8 Oct 2020, at 22:28, Tim Newsome wrote: > > ... I'm quite opinionated when it comes to how votes should be held. :-) well, there are many voting systems, but for choosing a logo I think we can do it without special software. the systems we can consider are: - in one round, by taking the max count choice; not very fair if the top choice has less votes that the other combined; - in two rounds, by taking the two top choices and voting again (like when electing mayors); - in several iteration by eliminating the min count choice and redistributing votes, until a single choice remains or until the top choice has more votes than the other combined; quite fair, I would say; btw, this is how Boris Johnson was elected PM. for now, from the 4 initial choices, A2 got eliminated, so we have 3 choices left. if Tommy can redistribute his vote too, we'll be in the second iteration; one more and we should be done. regards, Liviu ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting
Hi, I vote for A4, A6 and B4. On A6 I would remove the fading effect and would rather use a solid color as in the header. Thanks for your effort! Best regards, Marc On Thu, 2020-10-08 at 19:19 +0200, kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: > Hi, > I've registered the votes today from: > - Liviu Ionescu > - Moritz Fischer > - Oliver Spencer > > Your votes are now added to the "document": > > https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png > > @Tommy Murphy, I received your mail about the USB cable in > logos A1 and A6. You certainly have a point (not all probes/ > dongles are USB-based). > Two ideas come to my mind: > > 1. The cable in the logo is not necessarily a USB-cable. It > is a general, non-detailed cable. But I admit that it looks > somewhat like USB - so perhaps this "argument" is not really > satisfying. > > 2. Perhaps some colleague OpenOCD developers will change their > vote after reading your mail. So maybe A1 or A6 won't be selected > after all. > > 3. Once this first round has finished and we have a "winner logo", > we can still organize a second round. > Say logo X gets selected, then I'll draw a couple of logos that > look very much like logo X, with some subtle differences between > them. Kind of a second iteration step to reach the "optimal" > logo :-) > In this second round, I can pay extra attention to draw some > of them with a cable that looks more "general" (not just USB). > > It would be painful if you really dislike the final logo, so I'll > do my best to find a good compromise. > > > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting
> On 8 Oct 2020, at 20:19, kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: > > Once this first round has finished and we have a "winner logo", > we can still organize a second round. after the first round we have 5 votes for A1 and 8 agains, so I would not declare A1 the winner yet. since A2 has no chance, I move my vote to A4. as Tommy mentioned, I don't like the connector, and definitely not the curly one. regards, Liviu ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
[OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting
Hi, I've registered the votes today from: - Liviu Ionescu - Moritz Fischer - Oliver Spencer Your votes are now added to the "document": [ https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png | https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png ] @Tommy Murphy, I received your mail about the USB cable in logos A1 and A6. You certainly have a point (not all probes/ dongles are USB-based). Two ideas come to my mind: 1. The cable in the logo is not necessarily a USB-cable. It is a general, non-detailed cable. But I admit that it looks somewhat like USB - so perhaps this "argument" is not really satisfying. 2. Perhaps some colleague OpenOCD developers will change their vote after reading your mail. So maybe A1 or A6 won't be selected after all. 3. Once this first round has finished and we have a "winner logo", we can still organize a second round . Say logo X gets selected, then I'll draw a couple of logos that look very much like logo X, with some subtle differences between them. Kind of a second iteration step to reach the "optimal" logo :-) In this second round, I can pay extra attention to draw some of them with a cable that looks more "general" (not just USB). It would be painful if you really dislike the final logo, so I'll do my best to find a good compromise. ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 10:35, wrote: > Dear OpenOCD developers, > > Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? > As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, > which you can find here: > > https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png > > Some of you already voted for a logo: > > - Tomas Vanek > - Anton Krug > - Antonio Borneo > - Andreas Bolsch > - Tommy Murphy > - Vladimir Zapolskiy > - Oleksij Rempel > - Jan Matyas > - Paul Fertser > - Tarek Bouchkati > > The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at > the top). Please feel free to: > > - Change your mind (just send me a mail to > change your vote). > > - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy > to make new drawings. > > thanks they look great - my vote is A6. Spen ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Thanks for your efforts Kristof. Just my tuppence worth ... unlike the majority, it seems, I dislike the ones with a usb cable for aesthetic and technical reasons. While most JTAG dongles that openocd supports may be USB there is no requirement that they be and there is at least one that is not (Ultimate Solutions ZY1000 ethernet probe). And who knows what will be used in the near future so why introduce USB specificity into the logo? From: Moritz Fischer via OpenOCD-devel Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 4:26:38 PM To: kristof.mul...@telenet.be Cc: openocd-devel Subject: Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo Hi Kristof, They all look great. I'd go with A1. Cheers, Moritz On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 2:33 AM wrote: > > Dear OpenOCD developers, > > Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? > As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, > which you can find here: > > https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png > > Some of you already voted for a logo: > > - Tomas Vanek > - Anton Krug > - Antonio Borneo > - Andreas Bolsch > - Tommy Murphy > - Vladimir Zapolskiy > - Oleksij Rempel > - Jan Matyas > - Paul Fertser > - Tarek Bouchkati > > The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at > the top). Please feel free to: > > - Change your mind (just send me a mail to > change your vote). > > - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy > to make new drawings. > > Kind regards, > Kristof Mulier > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Hi Kristof, They all look great. I'd go with A1. Cheers, Moritz On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 2:33 AM wrote: > > Dear OpenOCD developers, > > Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? > As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, > which you can find here: > > https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png > > Some of you already voted for a logo: > > - Tomas Vanek > - Anton Krug > - Antonio Borneo > - Andreas Bolsch > - Tommy Murphy > - Vladimir Zapolskiy > - Oleksij Rempel > - Jan Matyas > - Paul Fertser > - Tarek Bouchkati > > The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at > the top). Please feel free to: > > - Change your mind (just send me a mail to > change your vote). > > - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy > to make new drawings. > > Kind regards, > Kristof Mulier > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
[OpenOCD-devel] Logo
Dear OpenOCD developers, Let's have a look again at choosing a logo for OpenOCD? As you might remember, I've drawn a couple of samples, which you can find here: [ https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png | https://new.embeetle.com/figures/logo_matrix.png ] Some of you already voted for a logo: - Tomas Vanek - Anton Krug - Antonio Borneo - Andreas Bolsch - Tommy Murphy - Vladimir Zapolskiy - Oleksij Rempel - Jan Matyas - Paul Fertser - Tarek Bouchkati The votes are also listed on the figure (see link at the top). Please feel free to: - Change your mind (just send me a mail to change your vote). - Make suggestions for a new logo. I'm happy to make new drawings. Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting is open
Am 27.07.20 um 17:15 schrieb kristof.mul...@telenet.be: > Hi, > I've uploaded my first commit - a set of logos for OpenOCD > (many thanks to @Antonio, @Zapb and @Paul Fertsen for > your technical help). > > Please have a look at them: > http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 > > Or you can also view them all together on this .png file: > https://embeetle.com/figures/openocd_logo_all.png > > Each logo has a number. Just send me a mail with your vote. > If you like none of the logos, feel free to say that. I can draw > extra ones. vote for: 4 -- Regards, Oleksij ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting is open
Am 27.07.20 um 23:29 schrieb Alan Carvalho de Assis: > Hi Kristof, > > Why instead defining the Logos to OpenOCD on Embeetle don't we call a > contest to community submit a logo to OpenOCD? > > Not that your logo are bad, they aren't, but I think the community > could submit great logos. Every one is free to post own logo > My chip uses BGA package and it said he felt discriminated against! :-) Please, do not bring this topic here. The answer will be like this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/6/10/78 > BR, > > Alan > > On 7/27/20, kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: >> Hi, >> I've uploaded my first commit - a set of logos for OpenOCD >> (many thanks to @Antonio, @Zapb and @Paul Fertsen for >> your technical help). >> >> Please have a look at them: >> [ http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 | http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 ] >> >> Or you can also view them all together on this .png file: >> [ https://embeetle.com/figures/openocd_logo_all.png | >> https://embeetle.com/figures/openocd_logo_all.png ] >> >> Each logo has a number. Just send me a mail with your vote. >> If you like none of the logos, feel free to say that. I can draw >> extra ones. >> >> Kind regards, >> Kristof Mulier >> > > > ___ > OpenOCD-devel mailing list > OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel > -- Regards, Oleksij ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
Re: [OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting is open
Hi Kristof, Why instead defining the Logos to OpenOCD on Embeetle don't we call a contest to community submit a logo to OpenOCD? Not that your logo are bad, they aren't, but I think the community could submit great logos. My chip uses BGA package and it said he felt discriminated against! :-) BR, Alan On 7/27/20, kristof.mul...@telenet.be wrote: > Hi, > I've uploaded my first commit - a set of logos for OpenOCD > (many thanks to @Antonio, @Zapb and @Paul Fertsen for > your technical help). > > Please have a look at them: > [ http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 | http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 ] > > Or you can also view them all together on this .png file: > [ https://embeetle.com/figures/openocd_logo_all.png | > https://embeetle.com/figures/openocd_logo_all.png ] > > Each logo has a number. Just send me a mail with your vote. > If you like none of the logos, feel free to say that. I can draw > extra ones. > > Kind regards, > Kristof Mulier > ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
[OpenOCD-devel] Logo voting is open
Hi, I've uploaded my first commit - a set of logos for OpenOCD (many thanks to @Antonio, @Zapb and @Paul Fertsen for your technical help). Please have a look at them: [ http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 | http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 ] Or you can also view them all together on this .png file: [ https://embeetle.com/figures/openocd_logo_all.png | https://embeetle.com/figures/openocd_logo_all.png ] Each logo has a number. Just send me a mail with your vote. If you like none of the logos, feel free to say that. I can draw extra ones. Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
[OpenOCD-devel] Logo for OpenOCD
Dear developers, I developed some logos for OpenOCD and pushed them to the repo. Shortly after that, I had surgery and needed some time to recover. After recovery, I had to catch up with work. Now I'm back - my apologies for being so late. My push to the repo (with the logos in .svg format) dates back to June 14: [ http://openocd.zylin.com/5721 | Add logo samples for OpenOCD ] There were some problems with the README.txt file, so I pushed this fix: [ http://openocd.zylin.com/5722 | Remove unneeded spaces from README.txt ] Now I'm unsure what to do next. Please note that my Ubuntu Virtual Machine crashed and got re-installed. So I don't have the same git repo anymore (I still have the `.svg` files of course, in a backup). All of this is my first experience with zylin/gerrit - so help is very much appreciated ^_^ Kind regards, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
[OpenOCD-devel] Logo OpenOCD
Dear developers, As I've seen no logo from OpenOCD anywhere, I've designed one myself in inkscape and added it to this mail. openocd_logo_01.png -> a black-and-white version openocd_logo_02.png -> a coloured version Please let me know if you like it. I can send you the .svg files too. Kind greetings, Kristof Mulier ___ OpenOCD-devel mailing list OpenOCD-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openocd-devel
