Re: [Opensim-dev] anon logins
As far as my understanding goes no client change would be required at all. It wouldn't be difficult for someone to write Guest in their Last Name and their wanted nickname in First Name to use the client's 2-name architecture, while everything else is handled entirely server-side so nothing in the client could get in the way. Assigning a random avatar UUID to every logging-in guest would be handled by the server alone as well as every operation involving the avatar's existence, settings, etc. There wouldn't be people with the same name either, as each would most likely have a different first name at all times. Double nickname protection should actually be added I think, so if someone has a chosen nickname on the grid someone else can't use it at the same time. Eg: If Mynickname Guest is present into that grid, someone else attempting to log in would not be allowed to take that name until its avatar logs off first, and would need to use Anythingelse Guest. Another protection that would probably be needed as well on this side is not allowing users to register with the last name Guest or Anon or what the grid has set for guests. So for instance, if the last name used for guests on OSGrid would be Guest, one cannot go to osgrid.org and register theirself as Something Guest. That's all just what I think again, there may be better ways to do all this but this is the system I had in my mind for now :) > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:10:21 -0700 > From: fr...@thenichols.net > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] anon logins > > Hmm, well, my response was in regards to the client/viewer. I expect > each anon login would recieve a UUID which would make it unique as far > as the server/region is concerned. I expect some tweaking in the server > would be required. As for chatting etc, well, yes, it might be confusing > to have 20 or 30 people nearby all with the same name, but I think the > idea is not an account that people would use long term, but one that > someone could just drop in and see what OS/SL is all about. Also, the > server could assign a unique first or last name to the user if needed, > again, server side tweaks we can handle. > > I am not familiar with the client code, so it may in fact be working > with the account/name and not the uuid, which would be unfortunate > design - but not the first unfortunate design decision there... Another thing which was discussed in the previous mailing session was that guests should have their own appearance as well. They could be wearing a shirt with "Guest" written on it or anything else by default for instance. Guests could also be able to use the library inventory and all the things there. There would have to be a difference between guests and registered users like on every system however, since there are things that one cannot do as a guest and can only do as a registered user. > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:18:26 -0700 > From: fr...@thenichols.net > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] anon logins > > I disagree with making anon users standout to me the idea is to draw > people into experiencing the 3d realm that might not otherwise try. I > don't want them to miss out on having an avatar. So, I would prefer to > have the ability to configure initial appearance at the grid level to > let each of us provide what we think is appropriate for our grid. _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
[Opensim-dev] webinterface and inventory/asset management
Hi, Im working on a php webinterface profile editor, which changes among some other things the current profileimage. In order to do that, I had in mind to follow these steps: - add an uploaded image as asset to the assets table - add an inventory item linked to the photo album folder, referring to the new asset - change the profileimage uuid to the new asset Since it's alot of work, i want to be sure im not following the wrong approach. Not sure if it can be done another way. Any suggestions? Jeroen ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] webinterface and inventory/asset management
You might want to take a look at the interface proposals for cable beach (http://opensimulator.org/wiki/AssetServerProposal/ClientDocs). Exposing a (secure) interface to the asset and inventory services is one of the objectives of that project. Code for the CB asset and inventory servers are on forge. I have a script that does more or less what you're describing for CB; it takes a powerpoint, dumps the images of the slides, uploads them to the asset server, creates a notecard with the asset ids, and puts the notecard in my inventory. --mic On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jeroen van Veen wrote: > Hi, > > Im working on a php webinterface profile editor, which changes among some > other things the current profileimage. In order to do that, I had in mind to > follow these steps: > - add an uploaded image as asset to the assets table > - add an inventory item linked to the photo album folder, referring to the new > asset > - change the profileimage uuid to the new asset > > Since it's alot of work, i want to be sure im not following the wrong > approach. Not sure if it can be done another way. Any suggestions? > > Jeroen > ___ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
[Opensim-dev] Region crossing and its requests to UGAIMs
Hi everyone:
I'm developing (or trying to...) an UGAIM system over a LAMP (or WAMP)
system and I have some questions about the requests sent from region servers
to UGAIM (user and inventory servers). I'm using the "stable" 0.6 version of
opensim.
When crossing a region I have detected three requests:
* Get avatar appearance
* Get avatar inventory
* Update region into agent data
These three requests make the avatar to "shiver" when entering a new region
if the response is not fast enough (or even make the avatar move some meters
while waiting the response, and then return to the point it entered).
I'm able to understand the 1st and the 3rd, well, maybe I have some doubts
about the 1st... but the second (request FULL inventory) I think is what
"lags" the region entering.
Actually (version 0.6 remember) when requesting an inventory is the FULL
inventory. For testing, maybe no problem, but if I have 100 folders an 1000
items... the initial 6kbyte inventory grows to something like 100k, and the
lag make my avie to walk till the middle of the region and then return
back...
My question: is really necessary to get the full inventory when crossing
regions?
And the secondary question: Is there any implemented or at least a
semi-implemented method to deliver only parts of the inventory ("a la SL
style")?
Greetings
Impalah "Sea of doubts" Shenshou
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[Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
Hi all, the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've put up some thoughts at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion. Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list. Cheers, Homer ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Homer Horwitz
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> put up some thoughts at
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion.
> Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Homer
I have two requests:
1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
why they should be different.
I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
the sort of issues raised by Homer.
Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
2. Can we standardize on US English?
I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
Mono.Addins.
You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
order to make it compile. :(
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Re: [Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] Please UCI, help our basic tutorial!
[changing from -users to -dev, due to not being able to access outgoing email for my opensim-users account] Americo Damasceno wrote: Thanks, Diva. I will use the "ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu 9003". Like the central point (128,128) that I will define in the tutorial like the "official arriving point for a world" was "under water" I have created something like an "hypernaut-port" having an OpenSim flag. You can see it at: Thanks, Americo. Those two gateways right now are open for editing by anyone. I want to keep it open like that, and I appreciate nice content like the one you placed there. However, everyone please keep in mind that those regions are common ground for hypernauts, and they belong to the University of California; don't clutter them, be tasteful, and please don't remove/change anything of what's already there without asking for permission. I will go without technical permissions, and relying on social common sense, for as long as it's sustainable. (One thing that's clear is that these completely open environments will need a much better support for history recording, i.e. who did what to which objects, sort of like a wiki history page) Any thing more, Diva. Can you tell us the configuration of the server and of the communication line ? They are linux machines, dual-core with 4M of RAM. I don't remember the exact number for the bandwidth but it's some huge number -- the machines are in the university network. Crista / Diva ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] Please UCI, help our basic tutorial!
For the birthday event we have two node regions enabled on OSGrid.. Z-Event at 1010 1010 for 1000 centered. It is built with flags, Hypernaut T shirts and 'maps' to Francoland. Night Song at 10006 10008 'maps' to Ellis, Orion has been very cooperative with gifts and Hypernuat click onward to Germany. We will add New World, Olish Newman, this weekend and another well built node this coming week. Bri - Original Message - From: Cristina Videira Lopes To: amer...@dmu.com ; opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] Please UCI, help our basic tutorial! [changing from -users to -dev, due to not being able to access outgoing email for my opensim-users account] Americo Damasceno wrote: Thanks, Diva. I will use the "ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu 9003". Like the central point (128,128) that I will define in the tutorial like the "official arriving point for a world" was "under water" I have created something like an "hypernaut-port" having an OpenSim flag. You can see it at: Thanks, Americo. Those two gateways right now are open for editing by anyone. I want to keep it open like that, and I appreciate nice content like the one you placed there. However, everyone please keep in mind that those regions are common ground for hypernauts, and they belong to the University of California; don't clutter them, be tasteful, and please don't remove/change anything of what's already there without asking for permission. I will go without technical permissions, and relying on social common sense, for as long as it's sustainable. (One thing that's clear is that these completely open environments will need a much better support for history recording, i.e. who did what to which objects, sort of like a wiki history page) Any thing more, Diva. Can you tell us the configuration of the server and of the communication line ? They are linux machines, dual-core with 4M of RAM. I don't remember the exact number for the bandwidth but it's some huge number -- the machines are in the university network. Crista / Diva -- ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far. Maybe
ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I think it
is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules.
As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think it should stay
as it is. I really see no reason to change it. I do know of other opensource
projects that use initialise, Ogre being one. And it would be as hard for me to
remember to look/search for Initialize as it would be for you to look for
initialise.
So my vote is a strong keep to UK english or even the mix we have (because some
bits are in US english). But I really don't think people should have to switch
code that is there to US english. Sorry thats a point I do feel quite strongly
on.
But saying that if everyone else voted in favour of that switch I wouldn't
stand in the way. Just would think it was wrong. Any code I write is just
likely to have uk spelling. The same way any code you write is likely to have
US spelling. And opensim has had the UK spelling from the start.
Ryan McDougall wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM,
Homer Horwitz
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> put up some thoughts at
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion.
> Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Homer
I have two requests:
1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
why they should be different.
I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
the sort of issues raised by Homer.
Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
2. Can we standardize on US English?
I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
Mono.Addins.
You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
order to make it compile. :(
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Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
I'm not really a fan of UK zpelling,,, but I imagine people uzing grep could
zearch for "initiali"
I'll probably continue to uze the UZ englizh zpelling in my code ;)
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, MW wrote:
> I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far.
> Maybe ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I
> think it is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules.
>
> As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think it should
> stay as it is. I really see no reason to change it. I do know of other
> opensource projects that use initialise, Ogre being one. And it would be as
> hard for me to remember to look/search for Initialize as it would be for you
> to look for initialise.
>
> So my vote is a strong keep to UK english or even the mix we have (because
> some bits are in US english). But I really don't think people should have to
> switch code that is there to US english. Sorry thats a point I do feel quite
> strongly on.
>
> But saying that if everyone else voted in favour of that switch I wouldn't
> stand in the way. Just would think it was wrong. Any code I write is just
> likely to have uk spelling. The same way any code you write is likely to
> have US spelling. And opensim has had the UK spelling from the start.
>
> *Ryan McDougall * wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Homer Horwitz
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> > you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> > put up some thoughts at
> > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion.
> > Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Homer
>
> I have two requests:
>
> 1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
> This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
> that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
>
> Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
> why they should be different.
>
> I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
> delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
> the sort of issues raised by Homer.
>
> Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
> have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
>
> 2. Can we standardize on US English?
>
> I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
> the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
> linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
> in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
> project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
> Mono.Addins.
>
> You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
> order to make it compile. :(
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
Lets change it all over to l337..but, the UK base.
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On 1/24/09, Dahlia Trimble wrote:
> I'm not really a fan of UK zpelling,,, but I imagine people uzing grep could
> zearch for "initiali"
>
> I'll probably continue to uze the UZ englizh zpelling in my code ;)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, MW wrote:
> > I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far.
> Maybe ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I
> think it is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules.
> >
> > As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think it should
> stay as it is. I really see no reason to change it. I do know of other
> opensource projects that use initialise, Ogre being one. And it would be as
> hard for me to remember to look/search for Initialize as it would be for you
> to look for initialise.
> >
> > So my vote is a strong keep to UK english or even the mix we have (because
> some bits are in US english). But I really don't think people should have to
> switch code that is there to US english. Sorry thats a point I do feel quite
> strongly on.
> >
> > But saying that if everyone else voted in favour of that switch I wouldn't
> stand in the way. Just would think it was wrong. Any code I write is just
> likely to have uk spelling. The same way any code you write is likely to
> have US spelling. And opensim has had the UK spelling from the start.
> >
> >
> > Ryan McDougall wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Homer Horwitz
> >
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> > > you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> > > put up some thoughts at
> > > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for
> discussion.
> > > Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Homer
> >
> > I have two requests:
> >
> > 1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
> > This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
> > that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
> >
> > Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
> > why they should be different.
> >
> > I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
> > delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
> > the sort of issues raised by Homer.
> >
> > Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
> > have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
> >
> > 2. Can we standardize on US English?
> >
> > I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
> > the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
> > linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
> > in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
> > project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
> > Mono.Addins.
> >
> > You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
> > order to make it compile. :(
> >
> > Cheers,
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Re: [Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] Please UCI, help our basic tutorial!
Saturday typos :( Z-Event is at 1210 1210 and also has a 'map' to Bacintyme with Franco. We find that r8088/8087 has superior performance, TP and Hypergrid, to head. Bri Hasp the sailboat is not a vehicle - Original Message - From: Brianna To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev][Opensim-users] Please UCI, help our basic tutorial! For the birthday event we have two node regions enabled on OSGrid.. Z-Event at 1010 1010 for 1000 centered. It is built with flags, Hypernaut T shirts and 'maps' to Francoland. Night Song at 10006 10008 'maps' to Ellis, Orion has been very cooperative with gifts and Hypernuat click onward to Germany. We will add New World, Olish Newman, this weekend and another well built node this coming week. Bri - Original Message - From: Cristina Videira Lopes To: amer...@dmu.com ; opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] Please UCI, help our basic tutorial! [changing from -users to -dev, due to not being able to access outgoing email for my opensim-users account] Americo Damasceno wrote: Thanks, Diva. I will use the "ucigrid04.nacs.uci.edu 9003". Like the central point (128,128) that I will define in the tutorial like the "official arriving point for a world" was "under water" I have created something like an "hypernaut-port" having an OpenSim flag. You can see it at: Thanks, Americo. Those two gateways right now are open for editing by anyone. I want to keep it open like that, and I appreciate nice content like the one you placed there. However, everyone please keep in mind that those regions are common ground for hypernauts, and they belong to the University of California; don't clutter them, be tasteful, and please don't remove/change anything of what's already there without asking for permission. I will go without technical permissions, and relying on social common sense, for as long as it's sustainable. (One thing that's clear is that these completely open environments will need a much better support for history recording, i.e. who did what to which objects, sort of like a wiki history page) Any thing more, Diva. Can you tell us the configuration of the server and of the communication line ? They are linux machines, dual-core with 4M of RAM. I don't remember the exact number for the bandwidth but it's some huge number -- the machines are in the university network. Crista / Diva ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
+1 . so problem solved, and Teravus will start the conversion straight away.
Teravus Ovares wrote: Lets change it all over to l337..
but, the UK base.
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On 1/24/09, Dahlia Trimble wrote:
> I'm not really a fan of UK zpelling,,, but I imagine people uzing grep could
> zearch for "initiali"
>
> I'll probably continue to uze the UZ englizh zpelling in my code ;)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, MW wrote:
> > I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far.
> Maybe ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I
> think it is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules.
> >
> > As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think it should
> stay as it is. I really see no reason to change it. I do know of other
> opensource projects that use initialise, Ogre being one. And it would be as
> hard for me to remember to look/search for Initialize as it would be for you
> to look for initialise.
> >
> > So my vote is a strong keep to UK english or even the mix we have (because
> some bits are in US english). But I really don't think people should have to
> switch code that is there to US english. Sorry thats a point I do feel quite
> strongly on.
> >
> > But saying that if everyone else voted in favour of that switch I wouldn't
> stand in the way. Just would think it was wrong. Any code I write is just
> likely to have uk spelling. The same way any code you write is likely to
> have US spelling. And opensim has had the UK spelling from the start.
> >
> >
> > Ryan McDougall wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Homer Horwitz
> >
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> > > you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> > > put up some thoughts at
> > > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for
> discussion.
> > > Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Homer
> >
> > I have two requests:
> >
> > 1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
> > This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
> > that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
> >
> > Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
> > why they should be different.
> >
> > I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
> > delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
> > the sort of issues raised by Homer.
> >
> > Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
> > have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
> >
> > 2. Can we standardize on US English?
> >
> > I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
> > the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
> > linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
> > in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
> > project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
> > Mono.Addins.
> >
> > You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
> > order to make it compile. :(
> >
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But it is in our code standards somewhere that we use UK spelling in opensim
code. ;) Or it used to be in there.
But no I don't think really we can force people to use a different system of
spelling to what they are used to. As I feel as strong about not liking the US
spelling as you do about UK ones.
But I would be extremely sad if all the current code was swapped to US
spelling. This was started as a UK project as it was just myself working on it
at the start.
But its now a international project, let lets try and get as many spelling
systems as possible in there, lets even try for different languages ;)
Dahlia Trimble wrote: I'm not really a fan of UK
zpelling,,, but I imagine people uzing grep could zearch for "initiali"
I'll probably continue to uze the UZ englizh zpelling in my code ;)
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, MW wrote:
I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far. Maybe
ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I think it
is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules.
As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think it should stay
as it is. I really see no reason to change it. I do know of other opensource
projects that use initialise, Ogre being one. And it would be as hard for me to
remember to look/search for Initialize as it would be for you to look for
initialise.
So my vote is a strong keep to UK english or even the mix we have (because some
bits are in US english). But I really don't think people should have to switch
code that is there to US english. Sorry thats a point I do feel quite strongly
on.
But saying that if everyone else voted in favour of that switch I wouldn't
stand in the way. Just would think it was wrong. Any code I write is just
likely to have uk spelling. The same way any code you write is likely to have
US spelling. And opensim has had the UK spelling from the start.
Ryan McDougall wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Homer Horwitz
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> put up some thoughts at
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion.
> Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Homer
I have two requests:
1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
why they should be different.
I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
the sort of issues raised by Homer.
Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
2. Can we standardize on US English?
I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
Mono.Addins.
You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
order to make it compile. :(
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Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
bMW wrote: > But it is in our code standards somewhere that we use UK spelling in opensim > code. ;) Or it used to be in there. > > But no I don't think really we can force people to use a different system of > spelling to what they are used to. As I feel as strong about not liking the > US spelling as you do about UK ones. > > But I would be extremely sad if all the current code was swapped to US > spelling. This was started as a UK project as it was just myself working on > it at the start. > > But its now a international project, let lets try and get as many spelling > systems as possible in there, lets even try for different languages ;) Honestly, we should pick one and run with it, and I don't really care which one. The lack of standardization here causes plenty of confusion for those of us not in auto-completing environments about which version to use. :) -Sean -- Sean Dague / Neas Bade sda...@gmail.com http://dague.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
ROFL. Oh, it was the 'z' versus the 's' you were discussing.
I thought it was the "i" versus the "I".
From: Dahlia Trimble
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:39:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the
region-module system
I'm not really a fan of UK zpelling,,, but I imagine people uzing grep could
zearch for "initiali"
I'll probably continue to uze the UZ englizh zpelling in my code ;)
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, MW wrote:
I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far. Maybe
ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I think it
is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules.
As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think it should stay
as it is. I really see no reason to change it. I do know of other opensource
projects that use initialise, Ogre being one. And it would be as hard for me to
remember to look/search for Initialize as it would be for you to look for
initialise.
So my vote is a strong keep to UK english or even the mix we have (because some
bits are in US english). But I really don't think people should have to switch
code that is there to US english. Sorry thats a point I do feel quite strongly
on.
But saying that if everyone else voted in favour of that switch I wouldn't
stand in the way. Just would think it was wrong. Any code I write is just
likely to have uk spelling. The same way any code you write is likely to have
US spelling. And opensim has had the UK spelling from the start.
Ryan McDougall wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Homer Horwitz
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> put up some thoughts at
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion.
> Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Homer
I have two requests:
1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
why they should be different.
I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
the sort of issues raised by Homer.
Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
2. Can we standardize on US English?
I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
Mono.Addins.
You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
order to make it compile. :(
Cheers,
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Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
Hello, I think the new region module spec sounds pretty good, though TBH I'm not intimately familiar with the current situation. A couple thoughts: For a non-shared module, is there a functional difference between Initialise and AddRegion? Likewise with RemoveRegion and Close. For shared modules, is there some technical reason or use case that requires a PostInitialise after Initialise? The only case I can think of is interdependent region modules that need each other to be initialized before they can add regions. Jeff ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
One other suggested change. Let's remove IConfigSource from the RegionModule Initialise method - and instead make some kind of globally accessible (via Scene?) .Config. The reason for this is twofold: 1. We pass config in multiple times, one per scene. 2. It introduces a dependency on Nini that every region module must fill - this is annoying when a module isn't configurable. Regards, Adam > -Original Message- > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev- > boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Homer Horwitz > Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2009 12:04 PM > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region- > module system > > Hi all, > > the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if > you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've > put up some thoughts at > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion. > Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list. > > Cheers, > Homer > ___ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system
I can get our Shanghai office to translate our comments into Cantonese if that
would help. :)
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Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2009 4:56 PM
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the
region-module system
But it is in our code standards somewhere that we use UK spelling in opensim
code. ;) Or it used to be in there.
But no I don't think really we can force people to use a different system of
spelling to what they are used to. As I feel as strong about not liking the US
spelling as you do about UK ones.
But I would be extremely sad if all the current code was swapped to US
spelling. This was started as a UK project as it was just myself working on it
at the start.
But its now a international project, let lets try and get as many spelling
systems as possible in there, lets even try for different languages ;)
Dahlia Trimble wrote:
I'm not really a fan of UK zpelling,,, but I imagine people uzing grep could
zearch for "initiali"
I'll probably continue to uze the UZ englizh zpelling in my code ;)
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, MW
mailto:michaelwr...@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far. Maybe
ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I think it
is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules.
As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think it should stay
as it is. I really see no reason to change it. I do know of other opensource
projects that use initialise, Ogre being one. And it would be as hard for me to
remember to look/search for Initialize as it would be for you to look for
initialise.
So my vote is a strong keep to UK english or even the mix we have (because some
bits are in US english). But I really don't think people should have to switch
code that is there to US english. Sorry thats a point I do feel quite strongly
on.
But saying that if everyone else voted in favour of that switch I wouldn't
stand in the way. Just would think it was wrong. Any code I write is just
likely to have uk spelling. The same way any code you write is likely to have
US spelling. And opensim has had the UK spelling from the start.
Ryan McDougall mailto:sempu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Homer Horwitz
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if
> you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've
> put up some thoughts at
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion.
> Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Homer
I have two requests:
1. Can we unify RegionModules with IPlugin system I did a while ago?
This would mean learning and using Mono.Addins, or ExtensionLoader if
that is Mono.Addins's replacement.
Let's just use one system. I am not sure there is a semantic reason
why they should be different.
I didn't touch it myself because I didn't/don't understand the
delicate internals of RegionModules, and was worried about precisely
the sort of issues raised by Homer.
Also, Dispose() can be used in using{} statements. Lets use it, or
have a base class default to Dispose(){ Close(); }.
2. Can we standardize on US English?
I know our illustrious founder MW speaks the Queen's English, which is
the language of the educated; its not really fair to enforce the
linguistic hegemony of the country that spawned GWB and Britany Spears
in our dear pool of sanity and righteousness; but every open source
project I've ever worked on spells it Initialize. Including
Mono.Addins.
You have no idea how times I had to grep my source for "Initialize" in
order to make it compile. :(
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> For shared modules, is there some technical reason or use case that > requires a PostInitialise after Initialise? The only case I can think > of is interdependent region modules that need each other to be > initialized before they can add regions. [Frisby, Adam] Close - it's more so you can start 'doing things' after every region has been registered. Prior to PostInitialise you cannot be sure that everything has been constructed yet, and/or other modules have registered their interfaces. > > Jeff > ___ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
