Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Once again, a tempest in a teapot. I, for one, would remind people of some of the things we have learned about patent discussions on this list. 1. It is FAR more detrimental to the OpenSim movement if detailed patent information is posted here.. Reading those patents is a VERY bad idea for anyone who wants to contribute. DON'T DO IT 2. People who squawk about VALUABLE members of our small community are generally exposing their ignorance of the importance of having OpenSim based companies survive, flourish, and operate in a businesslike manner. 3. People who choose to freak out over the ruination of the OpenSim world BECAUSE of A patent POSSIBLY being granted.. have their head in the sand and should wake up. That's the way the software world WORKS NOW. If you wanna be PISSED OF about something and spend your efforts to FIX something important, get involved in requesting the US DOJ look at MicroSofts' lightly veiled approach to lead a consortium to purchase Novells LINUX patent portfolio... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110120094059746http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110120094059746 4. If you want to insure OpenSim has minimal patent liabilities, talk to the core developers who are willing to turn a blind eye and continue to believe MicroSoft when they say Of course, you don't need to worry one NIT over the fact that .NET and C## are fully entangled into our proprietary technology and we sorta might wont ever sue anyone for using THAT 5. There are MANY companies whos patents we DEPEND on. Many of the core developers over the history of this project are employed by companies who rank in the top 10 patents holders in the world. These companies are NOT evil BECAUSE they filed for patents. When the day comes that Kyle and the folks at Reaction Grid USE the patent to inhibit the development of OpenSim, THEN I will encourage you to get irate. Until then, I think Kyles' Reaction Grids continuous and dedicated efforts to SERVE the opensim community, and do the right thing are what I would be spending my efforts posting about. D ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
What exactly is it that they are trying to file a PATENT on? They're hardly the first company to use Windows 2008 Server, and Hyper-V (and SQL 2008) for deploying OpenSim. Seems a bit absurd, and the silly hogwash press release is nothing but marketing hype from Microsoft (who probably never heard of OpenSim prior to Reaction Grid asking them for help). I've been running OpenSim on both Linux and Windows boxes from day one, and it just seems odd that they are acting as if they were the first to use server virtualization. So what is this PATENT that they are trying to file on? Do you have a patent number? Should be interesting to read... On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- http://www.marbleisle.com Mobile: +49 1577 422 ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
* This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. * * The word Patent is not mentioned even once.* Yeah, I didn't see any mention of any patent either. Do you have a patent number? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.comwrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Now that's TRULY absurd... They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim? That's absurd. Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V. (Depending on the type of server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based). Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- http://www.marbleisle.com Mobile: +49 1577 422 ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Does anyone actually have the Patent number? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
As a point of order, you can't possibly know if the patent is absurd or not until you've seen it. - Chris/Fleep Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque) Project Manager, UC Second Life Second Life Ambassador, Ohio Learning Network UCit Instructional Research Computing University of Cincinnati 406E Zimmer Hall PO Box 210088 Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088 (513)556-3018 chris.coll...@uc.edu UC Second Life: http://homepages.uc.edu/secondlife OLN Second Life: http://www.oln.org/emerging_technologies/emtech.php On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
I don't understand the importance of first or invented. It is my understanding (though I am NOT a lawyer) that you don't have to be first or invent something to patent it. Though the first person(s) or inventors could probably fight a patent, but that requires expensive attorneys, etc. And, I wish the U.S. did not allow process patents. It's like someone could patent addition/subtraction or something ridiculous. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: Does anyone actually have the Patent number? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
* Seems like Mark is upset lol* Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on OpenSource software, and attempting to claim inventions based on OpenSource software. Just so they can begin suing others that use the software... It's just absurd. Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others should have to deal with Reaction Grid legal nonsense due to some FALSE patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft, who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking Microsoft for help because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa jo...@foravatars.com wrote: Seems like Mark is upset lol 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com Does anyone actually have the Patent number? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Well does anyone have a Patent number so we can at least take a look at this silly patent application, and begin working to dispute/refute the claims made in this patent invention. I supposed I should file a patent on how to put toast into a toaster. Seems like a great business process and then I can begin suing people that use toasters (claiming that I was the FIRST person to come up with the idea of putting toast into a toaster). Gotta love silly and ignorant patent claims... please post a patent number. It should be an interesting read. Your patent must be 100% original, and server virtualization of OpenSim is NOT original. Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Hughes hug...@designingdigitally.com wrote: Everyone, We have no idea what this patent is for yet. So until you know what exactly it is for we are all making assumptions. Have a creative day, Andrew Hughes President - A Second Life ® Gold Solution Provider - A proud member of the Better Business Bureau - Member of the eLearning Guild - General Services Administration (GSA) IT Schedule 70 Contract Holder -- Address: 8401 Claude Thomas Rd. | Suite 23 | Franklin, OH 45005http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=Designing+Digitally+8401+Claude+Thomas+Rd.+Franklin,+OH+45005sll=39.596152,-84.21679sspn=0.143386,0.259895g=8401+Claude+Thomas+Rd.+Franklin,+OH+45005ie=UTF8ll=39.567728,-84.269471spn=0.008552,0.016243t=hz=16iwloc=Aiwd=1cid=3634860409431715648dtab=0 Phone: 866-316-9126 Fax: 866-701-0029 Email: andrew.hug...@designingdigitally.com Website: http://www.designingdigitally.com Blog: http://www.designingdigitally.com/blog/ Second Life Island: http://maps.secondlife.com http://snipr.com/rfzuw CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, copy or distribute this message. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original message. Neither the sender nor the company for which he or she works accepts any liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted My profiles: [image: Facebook]http://www.facebook.com/designing.digitally.inc [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/company/designing-digitally-inc. [image: Flickr] http://www.flickr.com/photos/designingdigitally/ [image: Twitter] http://www.twitter.com/ddinc Blog: How Playing Video Games Helps You Learnhttp://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/designingdigitallyblog/%7E3/WebUJDYvBnQ/how-playing-video-games-helps-you-learn On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Fleep Tuque fleep...@gmail.com wrote: As a point of order, you can't possibly know if the patent is absurd or not until you've seen it. - Chris/Fleep Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque) Project Manager, UC Second Life Second Life Ambassador, Ohio Learning Network UCit Instructional Research Computing University of Cincinnati 406E Zimmer Hall PO Box 210088 Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088 (513)556-3018 tel:+15135563018 chris.coll...@uc.edu UC Second Life: http://homepages.uc.edu/secondlife OLN Second Life: http://www.oln.org/emerging_technologies/emtech.php On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
* until we actually see the patent filing.* Agreed, so please ask one of the geniuses from Reaction Grid to please post their patent number, so we can at least take a look at their patent application, and review their original invention claims. Should be an interesting read... On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Shaun Erickson s...@smxy.org wrote: We really can't comment, intelligently, on this until we actually see the patent filing. We *think* it's about virtualization because that article is tied to this message, but we really don't *know* anything yet. -ste On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com wrote: * Seems like Mark is upset lol* Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on OpenSource software, and attempting to claim inventions based on OpenSource software. Just so they can begin suing others that use the software... It's just absurd. Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others should have to deal with Reaction Grid legal nonsense due to some FALSE patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft, who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking Microsoft for help because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa jo...@foravatars.com jo...@foravatars.com wrote: Seems like Mark is upset lol 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.commark.malew...@gmail.com Does anyone actually have the Patent number? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com mark.malew...@gmail.com wrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO PATENTS ON THIS LIST. On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Mark Malewski wrote: Seems like Mark is upset lol Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on OpenSource software, and attempting to claim inventions based on OpenSource software. Just so they can begin suing others that use the software... It's just absurd. Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others should have to deal with Reaction Grid legal nonsense due to some FALSE patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft, who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking Microsoft for help because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa jo...@foravatars.com wrote: Seems like Mark is upset lol 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com Does anyone actually have the Patent number? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com wrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Secondlie@Twitter: BREAKING NEWS: ReactionGrid Inc. files for it's first US Patent regarding virtual worlds: a genetically-engineered breedable drama llama. _ Von: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] Im Auftrag von Shaun Erickson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011 22:42 An: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Cc: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Betreff: Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent I run all my OpenSim code on OpenSUSE 11.3 in VMs under VMware ESXi on multiple hosts. I certainly hope they aren't trying to patent such an idea as virtualizing OpenSim, as I know I would not stop nor would I pay royalties. There must be more to this than it seems on the face of it, that we just haven't seen yet, is my guess. -ste On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com wrote: Now that's TRULY absurd... They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim? That's absurd. Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V. (Depending on the type of server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based). Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus Alexander Link mailto:manup...@gmail.com manup...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-pate nt.html http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-paten t.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni mailto:nebadon2...@gmail.com nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link mailto:manup...@gmail.com manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=400 0004150 http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=4000 004150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- http://www.marbleisle.com http://www.marbleisle.com Mobile: +49 1577 422 ___ Opensim-dev mailing list mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Patents do nothing but get in the way of development and progress. Personally, I would review any/every patent filed (based on OpenSim) and do everything in my means to fight the legality of such nuisance patents. If someone wants to invent something, then so be it. But don't try to file silly stupid nuisance patents just to create headaches for everyone else that has been using the same OpenSim-based technology Software can be copyrighted, but NOT patented. Attempting to file business method patents on Open Source Software is nothing but a nuisance for other users of the Open Source Software. (Who may ultimately be infringing on a false-claim invention made by someone else. Software patents should be abolished, and business method patents should be abolished as well. An invention should be original, and tangible (something that can be held, touched, and felt). Patenting something that is in your head (and claiming that it's original and no one else ever thought of the idea, is just absurd). Patents are a slap in the face to the Open Source Community, and filing a patent on Open Source Software seems to be the ultimate slap in the face. The Open Source Community is about working together, developing software, sharing ideas (collaborating) and patents interfere with that process. For someone to come along, and file a patent on an original invention based on community developed Open Source Software is just absurd. Software patents make it extremely difficult for developers to develop software (especially when there is always the threat of expensive patent litigation). Patents reduce innovation, by creating roadblocks for others. The current patent system deter innovation, instead of spurring it. There are individuals out there, that will file patents on anything they can think of, irregardless of who actually was the FIRST to do it, and no matter WHERE the idea came from, which is the exact opposite of what a patent is intended for. Patents stifle innovation, and false patent claims do nothing but create expensive legal roadblocks (and litigation headaches) for the end users of OpenSim software. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Shaun Erickson s...@smxy.org wrote: I run all my OpenSim code on OpenSUSE 11.3 in VMs under VMware ESXi on multiple hosts. I certainly hope they aren't trying to patent such an idea as virtualizing OpenSim, as I know I would not stop nor would I pay royalties. There must be more to this than it seems on the face of it, that we just haven't seen yet, is my guess. -ste On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com wrote: Now that's TRULY absurd... They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim? That's absurd. Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V. (Depending on the type of server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based). Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com manup...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- http://www.marbleisle.comhttp://www.marbleisle.com Mobile: +49 1577 422 ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.deOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
That is, by far, the best post on this topic, yet. :-) -ste On Feb 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, drWhiet drwh...@spacefriends.de wrote: Secondlie@Twitter: BREAKING NEWS: ReactionGrid Inc. files for it's first US Patent regarding virtual worlds: a genetically-engineered breedable drama llama. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
Reading them can also be a really bad idea. I'd second the request to take discussion of any patent that may exist off list. It doesn't belong here. Mike From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Cristina Videira Lopes Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:44 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO PATENTS ON THIS LIST. On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Mark Malewski wrote: Seems like Mark is upset lol Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on OpenSource software, and attempting to claim inventions based on OpenSource software. Just so they can begin suing others that use the software... It's just absurd. Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others should have to deal with Reaction Grid legal nonsense due to some FALSE patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft, who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking Microsoft for help because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa jo...@foravatars.com wrote: Seems like Mark is upset lol 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com Does anyone actually have the Patent number? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com wrote: Regardless, it's just another false claim. Just like the silly IBM patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim. This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim that they invented using virtualization with OpenSim. Completely absurd... Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like this is a Business method patent which will not be recognized outside the US even if granted. Melanie Marcus Alexander Link wrote: Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one: http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-paten t.html Regards, Marcus On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni nebadon2...@gmail.com wrote: This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing. The word Patent is not mentioned even once. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link manup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=4000 004150 Regards, Marcus ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
[Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Shaun Erickson s...@smxy.org wrote: We really can't comment, intelligently, on this until we actually see the patent filing. We *think* it's about virtualization because that article is tied to this message, but we really don't *know* anything yet. -ste LMAO! Only in America... Well, the article does state: ReactionGrid Inc. has filed for a US patent regarding virtual worlds. More specifically the process of developing, deploying and maintaining them. Wouldn't have a snowflake's chance in hell anywhere else in the civilised world of getting a patent on that (if it is indeed just that). Adam Farrugia PIER Virtual ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
