Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
The bad side I see, is that we won't be able to build appliances based on Solaris 11 (nor Solaris 11 Express). AFAIK, each appliance I would sell, would require me to register the OS by paying the Support Subscription, and this would be each and every year... I can't see any other OS (nor M$ nor OSX) that to be licensed requires annual support subscription...when you buy Wins or Macs, you pay once for your license, that's all (unless you really want or need support from M$ or Apple). Also, who knows what hardware will be still in the HCL for Solaris11?? Will it be just Sun, Dell, HP and Fujitsu? What if I want to run it on Supermicro??? I hope guys at IlluminOS are coming out with distros very fast...who can wait another year to decide the paths to go? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
You (Richard L. Hamilton) wrote: On 19 Aug 2010, at 15:43, Rick Ramsey wrote: I've been with Sun since 89 and our great engineers have always moved on. There's only room for a few at the top, after all. It's actually a healthy movement, since it gives younger engineers with fresh approaches a change to step up. Indeed. Sun had just under 30,000 employees when Oracle took over, IIRC. The list of 'big names' who have left, while all incredibly talented people, does nonetheless represent a pretty small drop in the ocean of Sun's talent pool. Cheeri, Calum. Certainly I don't wish to suggest that choosing to stay or go corresponds to talent or ethics or any other particular attribute. I only mean to suggest that there is the appearance that enough talented people that were likely to be able to write their own ticket anywhere chose to go that it suggests the possibility that some felt that their preferred approach to solving problems or creating something new could better be pursued elsewhere. Let me add some numbers... We know, that Sun was one of the IT companies, that spend an enormous percentage of it's revenue into engineering... More than 10 percent. If, and that's now a very crude approach, we then assume, that that relates to 10% of the costs also, we can assume, that more than 10% of Sun's employees have been engineers. At the end Sun had still more than 3 employees, so assuming, that a high percentage might be working on Solaris might provide us with an approach to a number close to 1000 engineers... All very crude and rough speculation, I can't determine those numbers. So, 10 people leaving are 1 percent. That's a way below average number in IT. Most companies have a way higher employee turn-around number than that... So, trying to derive anything from that is worse than reading in the coffeepot... ;-) That's my thinking... And: Being a top engineer never should provide you with an eternal such position in the same company. You're blocking others to achieve the same. It's healthy also to remove the top percentage, so that the average can grow. Otherwise, as long as a company does not grow, there would not be any incentive or opportunity for the close-to-top engineers to even try to reach the top... So, never try to predict the future. Or: Ask yourself, why no-one is even thinking about complaining, that Greg Papadopoulos no longer is the CTO? If you believe in Top-to-Bottom brightness being an indication for quality of products or rate of innovation, having Greg leaving should have send thrills down your veins, because following that logic laid out here, it would have indicated, that there won't be ANY INNOVATION at all coming from the former Sun part... Think about that reasoning... ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Pfützner | Tel.: +49 700 PFUETZNER | Im Kunstwerk muß das Chaos Lichtenbergstr.73 | mailto:matth...@pfuetzner.de | durch den Flor der Ordnung D-64289 Darmstadt | AIM: pfuetz, ICQ: 300967487 | schimmern. Germany | http://www.pfuetzner.de/matthias/ |Novalis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
The move Sun-Oracle is casuing serious problems for mid-range customers resellers, here in Italy. Listen to this (happened few weeks ago). We are sys admins of some Sun muchines we've sold to a customer in the Sun era. A T5120 with a ZFS mirror, had a disk fault, causing cyclic reset of the machine. Our hardware guy ran to the customer, disabled the disk and moved it out of the machine. Upon reboot the machine started normally, with the remaining disk. The customer had Sun Silver support. We called Oracle support to have a substitution disk (we had no spare part of that size): - 4 hours with a lady trying to find the support contract... - Finally we could talk with a technician, whose 1st response to the problem was: ...why do you run such a shitty hardware? why don't you just change it? (luckily we were not in open conversation with the customer..) - After sometimes of discussion, they told us they would send a techincian to put the new disk.2 days later! What if it was a mainboard crash??? - So, our hardware guy had hard times to convince them we did not need the technician but just the disk! We can do the work by ourselves!...but they did not wantdo you think I want an unknown technician to come to my customer and work on the machine??? At last, after almost one day, we had Oracle to send us the disk the next day, and we could resilver the machine Is this hardware support??? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/20/10 03:26 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote: ... I can't see any other OS (nor M$ nor OSX) that to be licensed requires annual support subscription...when you buy Wins or Macs, you pay once for your license, that's all (unless you really want or need support from M$ or Apple). RedHat enterprise Linux requires a subscription, and you lose the right to use it if you stop the subscription. There are others as well. -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 08/20/10 03:26 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
...
I can't see any other OS (nor M$ nor OSX) that to be licensed requires
annual support subscription...when you buy Wins or Macs, you pay once
for your license, that's all (unless you really want or need support
from M$ or Apple).
RedHat enterprise Linux requires a subscription, and you lose the right
to use it if you stop the subscription.
That's not correct. You lose only the support, but you can use it on several servers
as you want and it is legal. Only lose the support (and the right to download updates).
Thanks.
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/20/10 09:41 AM, carlopmart wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 08/20/10 03:26 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote: ... I can't see any other OS (nor M$ nor OSX) that to be licensed requires annual support subscription...when you buy Wins or Macs, you pay once for your license, that's all (unless you really want or need support from M$ or Apple). RedHat enterprise Linux requires a subscription, and you lose the right to use it if you stop the subscription. That's not correct. You lose only the support, but you can use it on several servers as you want and it is legal. Only lose the support (and the right to download updates). No, it is correct. I was previously a RedHat customer, and they made it very clear to me that the right to continue to use the distribution on the system was void once the subscription expired. Whether that has changed since I was a customer, I couldn't tell you. -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/20/10 09:41 AM, carlopmart wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 08/20/10 03:26 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote: ... I can't see any other OS (nor M$ nor OSX) that to be licensed requires annual support subscription...when you buy Wins or Macs, you pay once for your license, that's all (unless you really want or need support from M$ or Apple). RedHat enterprise Linux requires a subscription, and you lose the right to use it if you stop the subscription. That's not correct. You lose only the support, but you can use it on several servers as you want and it is legal. Only lose the support (and the right to download updates). See also section 5: https://www.redhat.com/licenses/us.html -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?
Does anyone know if it will shut down? And if it shuts down, then we all go to Illumos forum? Or? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?
Does anyone know if it will shut down? There are no plans to shut down the opensolaris-discuss mailing list. Bill Rushmore -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] The last of the 5000?
This message is directed to old old timers who understand my subject line! I stumbled upon my first 5000 T-shirt this morning at that made me think that now that this ride that has been OpenSolaris is coming to an and end, we should have a photographic record of the survivors. Would it be possible setup a page on the OpenSolaris site where we could upload our photos, wearing our faded and possibly too small first 5000 T-shirts? Just a daft idea for the weekend, -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
This is getting to the point that I'm even starting to feel the pattern here, and I'm not one to proclaim bad news quickly. http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/815946 Since then, a couple of the names the poster speculated about have moved on. Adam Leventhal (co-D-trace creator) has left the building. http://dtrace.org/blogs/ahl/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] appears Oracle has shutdown the gate
sad...to see one of my favorite opensource projects is indeed being shutdown.( excerpt: As mentioned by Garrett D'Amore yesterday, the tap has indeed been turned off; code pushes are no longer being made to the ONNV repository. For the first time in four years, I was greeted with the following: [stall...@titan]:/export/onnv-clone hg pull pulling from ssh://a...@hg.opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate searching for changes no changes found http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/who-forgot-to-pay-water-bill.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Measuring cost of TLB misses
Hi, I am able to measure TLB miss-rate of a multi-threaded application running on my multi-core AMD Opteron machine by reading performance monitoring event counters using cpustat utility. However, I would like to measure the amount of time spent on TLB misses? Specifically, I am looking a way like the utility trapstat functions. Please share your ideas. Thank you. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Performance Degradation with 1GB Pages for Heap
Hi, My AMD Opteron supports 4KB, 2MB and 1GB page sizes. I observed that there is performance improvement (reduced elapsed time) for some multi-threaded applications when I used 2MB page-size for heap. These applications need around 650MB heap (it reads a huge file of around 650MB size). However, when I used 1GB pages for heap, there is performance degradation for these programs. If we use 1 GB, then one page is enough to satisfy the heap space, right? Then, why we see performance degradation in this case. Please let me know. $ pagesize -a 4096 2097152 1073741824 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
