Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
> Oracle mentioned they are providing a supported > Solaris Express in place of the OSOL binaries of the > past. The kernel sources are very recent to gain a > 'like Solaris 11' experience today. > > ~ Ken > > Well...they have a tendency of mentioning stuff and falling short from delivering. does this sound familiar: "Oracle will continue to make OpenSolaris available as open source, and Oracle will continue to actively support and participate in the community," Dan Roberts, director of Solaris product management at Oracle, said during an OpenSolaris IRC (define) meeting "Oracle is investing more in Solaris than Sun did prior to the acquisition, and will continue to contribute technologies to OpenSolaris, as Oracle already does for many other open source projects." Oracle will also continue to deliver OpenSolaris releases, including the upcoming OpenSolaris 2010.03 release," Roberts said. " well...I guess many know the saying fool me once, shame on... and if they do release it, i'm sure there will be strings attached. I think we all should put our foot down and support illumos,nexenta,etc to have a true community driven OS and let oracle go :-) I've already replaced my opensolaris installs with nexenta core 3. ) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
On 08/31/10 03:52 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Right, but in all cases, Oracle never really announced stuff so much in advance as Sun did... So, that's a change in external behaviour, but not necessarily an indication of a different underlying attitude towards the product Solaris itself... Let's just hope for their sake they understand the OS platform market and its flow of information is way different from the database market. It is very hard and very expensive to migrate a business from one database platform to another, so customers are effectively locked in. One of my clients is spending many man years and a small fortune doing this. It is comparatively easy and cheap to swap OS and hardware. The further customers can see what's coming to plan ahead the less likely they are to move. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
1. Some source consolidations are still being updated. 2. Much of ON_147/148 is in the open. Oracle mentioned they are providing a supported Solaris Express in place of the OSOL binaries of the past. The kernel sources are very recent to gain a 'like Solaris 11' experience today. ~ Ken --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Joerg Schilling wrote: > From: Joerg Schilling > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it? > To: stefan.mueller-wil...@acando.de, opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, > constantin.gonza...@oracle.com > Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 2:52 PM > Constantin Gonzalez > wrote: > > > Nobody from Oracle said Solaris 11 won't be open > source, so that should > > satisfy all of your requirements above. > > > > > What I definitely do not want is the Solaris > kernel under the hood of a > > > Linux distribution. *yuck* > > > > No need for that. > > > > Just give Oracle some more time to explain > themselves. > > The OGB did give Oracle nearly 5 months to explain > themselves, nothing happened. > > Since August 18th, there are no source updates anymore. > Oracle would need to > make a big change to meet your hope. > > Jörg ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
Constantin Gonzalez wrote: > Nobody from Oracle said Solaris 11 won't be open source, so that should > satisfy all of your requirements above. > > > What I definitely do not want is the Solaris kernel under the hood of a > > Linux distribution. *yuck* > > No need for that. > > Just give Oracle some more time to explain themselves. The OGB did give Oracle nearly 5 months to explain themselves, nothing happened. Since August 18th, there are no source updates anymore. Oracle would need to make a big change to meet your hope. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
You (Stefan Müller-Wilken) wrote: > Hi Constantin, > > is there any channel you don't monitor these days? When do you actually > sleep? :-) He has young kids... ;-) > >> now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to > >> move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris > >> kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible > >> from the 'official' Solaris world while still being open source? I mean, > >> ZFS, zones, Xvm/Xen, IPS, self healing, automated installation, you name > >> it. > > > > That's Solaris 11. As John Fowler said, it will become available later this > > year as a preview release. > > Well, at least with Xvm/Xen, that could be difficult facing the fact that > Oracle has dropped that in favor of OVM, no? And xVM might be only > programmatic for what most people fear: decisions that are purely led by > economical aspects and not by technological concerns. What comes next? > Restrict the number of cores or amount of addressable memory on the community > edition? OracleVM is there for free... ;-) And I never got, what was so attractive about Xen in Solaris... ;-) FOR ME (and I put it in capital letters, as I know, there will be many flaming me hereafter) a hypervisor is the new "BIOS". And shouldn't be seen as more. It's a tool, some "small" software to help you run an OS on a virtualized infrastructure. If it works, it works. OK, now for the part, that will get me flamed... The arguments, that dtrace et.al. might be used in Xen, are not enough for me to support the further "apoption" of Xen to Solaris: Dtrace NEVER was a synchronous part and NEVER had guaranteed access to the Xen-internals (technically not feasable). Crossbox might be seen as an advantage in the Dom0, yes, but that part could be added to OracleVM, I guess. ZFS in the dom0, why? In architectures of a bigger size, the storage for the DomU will NOT be hosted on the same physical box, so some kind of network access is there, be it iSCSI, NFS or FC (SAN). That leaves the classical "I don't want to learn a new OS" question. If you hide the config and management of the OracleVM with a good GUI (just like VMware does with the "Linux" inside), why worry? OK, these are all my thinking. So, we need Solaris to be a GOOD domU, and that will be the case! So, Stefan, where do you see the superiority of Solaris as a dom0? > [...] > > > Nobody from Oracle said Solaris 11 won't be open source, so that should > > satisfy all of your requirements above. > > Well, you have to admit that Oracle's licensing scheme in other parts of the > empire tends to be somewhat restrictive wrt. to under what circumstances > you're eligible to use the software. That's what I like about OSOL - no risk > whatsoever to run into underlicensing situations etc.. Can you guarantee that > for SX(I)CE? Ever heard of Oracle suing a single person? So, yes, there might be the 90-day thing, et.al., still, all my new Oracle colleagues re-affirm myself, that they don't believe, that the single individual might get into trouble. Yes, I see, that for S(mall)M(edium)B(usiness)es there might be a new risk, but whoever wanted Solaris wanted to PROFIT from its quality. And quality might always have a price, right? There MUST be a reason, why Sun is no more... ;-) And I would not blame it one the quality aspect of Solaris... ;-) > >> What I definitely do not want is the Solaris kernel under the hood of a > >> Linux distribution. *yuck* > > > > No need for that. > > > > Just give Oracle some more time to explain themselves. > > > You're right in that it might be fair not to express doubts but to wait for > the facts. But at least in this case, Oracle is not particularly good at > increasing my patience ;-) Right, but in all cases, Oracle never really announced stuff so much in advance as Sun did... So, that's a change in external behaviour, but not necessarily an indication of a different underlying attitude towards the product Solaris itself... > Cheers > Stefan. Matthias -- Matthias Pfützner | Tel.: +49 700 PFUETZNER | In Darmstadt läuft EHNIX, Lichtenbergstr.73 | mailto:matth...@pfuetzner.de | und das verdammt stabil. D-64289 Darmstadt | AIM: pfuetz, ICQ: 300967487 | Außerdem ist es ZUNIX Germany | http://www.pfuetzner.de/matthias/ | kompatibel. (C. B. Vetter) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
Hi Stefan, I'm an Oracle employee, everything I say here is my personal opinion though, I'm not speaking for my company. is there any channel you don't monitor these days? When do you actually sleep? :-) I have a degree from Sun in high volume email scanning :). Well, at least with Xvm/Xen, that could be difficult facing the fact that Oracle has dropped that in favor of OVM, no? And xVM might be only programmatic for what most people fear: decisions that are purely led by economical aspects and not by technological concerns. What comes next? Restrict the number of cores or amount of addressable memory on the community edition? Oracle VM is not a bad product. But I agree it could be improved by adding more Solaris guts to it. Well, you have to admit that Oracle's licensing scheme in other parts of the empire tends to be somewhat restrictive wrt. to under what circumstances you're eligible to use the software. That's what I like about OSOL - no risk whatsoever to run into underlicensing situations etc.. Can you guarantee that for SX(I)CE? One of the lesser known features of Oracle VM is that it's free: http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/virtualization/oraclevm/index.html As for Solaris 10 (and presumably its successor): - Yes, you need a license and a support contract to run it in production. - No, you don't need to pay for it if you're doing an evaluation or development. It is more restrictive than the OpenSolaris binary distribution used to be, but it IMHO is permissive enough in a fair way for everybody who derives any value from Solaris as a technology: - As a developer, you get to try out, learn and develop cool stuff. - As a business, you get to profit from its advanced features, provided you share some of your profits with the people that created Solaris in the first place. Cheers, Constantin -- Constantin Gonzalez Schmitz, Sales Consultant, Oracle Hardware Presales Germany Phone: +49 89 460 08 25 91 | Mobile: +49 172 834 90 30 Blog: http://constantin.glez.de/| Twitter: zalez ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG, Sonnenallee 1, 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstraße 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
Hi Constantin, is there any channel you don't monitor these days? When do you actually sleep? :-) >> now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to >> move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris >> kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible >> from the 'official' Solaris world while still being open source? I mean, >> ZFS, zones, Xvm/Xen, IPS, self healing, automated installation, you name >> it. > > That's Solaris 11. As John Fowler said, it will become available later this > year as a preview release. Well, at least with Xvm/Xen, that could be difficult facing the fact that Oracle has dropped that in favor of OVM, no? And xVM might be only programmatic for what most people fear: decisions that are purely led by economical aspects and not by technological concerns. What comes next? Restrict the number of cores or amount of addressable memory on the community edition? [...] > Nobody from Oracle said Solaris 11 won't be open source, so that should > satisfy all of your requirements above. Well, you have to admit that Oracle's licensing scheme in other parts of the empire tends to be somewhat restrictive wrt. to under what circumstances you're eligible to use the software. That's what I like about OSOL - no risk whatsoever to run into underlicensing situations etc.. Can you guarantee that for SX(I)CE? >> What I definitely do not want is the Solaris kernel under the hood of a >> Linux distribution. *yuck* > > No need for that. > > Just give Oracle some more time to explain themselves. You're right in that it might be fair not to express doubts but to wait for the facts. But at least in this case, Oracle is not particularly good at increasing my patience ;-) Cheers Stefan. Acando GmbH Geschäftsführer: Michael Mörchen Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRB 76048 Ust.Ident-Nr.:DE208833022 Haftungsausschluss: Diese Nachricht ist ausschließlich für die Person oder Einheit bestimmt, an die sie gerichtet ist. Sie enthält unter Umständen Informationen, die unter geltendem Recht vertraulich, gesetzlich geschützt oder von der Offenlegung ausgeschlossen sind. Falls Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfänger oder verantwortlich für die Weiterleitung dieser Nachricht an den vorgesehenen Empfänger sind, ist es Ihnen strengstens untersagt, diese Nachricht offenzulegen, zu verteilen, zu kopieren oder in irgendeiner Art zu benutzen. Sollten Sie diese Nachricht versehentlich erhalten haben, benachrichtigen Sie bitte den Absender und löschen und vernichten Sie jegliche Kopie davon, die Sie möglicherweise erhalten haben. Disclaimer: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, distributing, copying, or in any way using this message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and destroy and delete any copies you may have received. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
You (Constantin Gonzalez) wrote: > Hi Stefan, > > >> now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to >> move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris >> kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible >> from the 'official' Solaris world while still being open source? I mean, >> ZFS, zones, Xvm/Xen, IPS, self healing, automated installation, you name >> it. > > That's Solaris 11. As John Fowler said, it will become available later this > year as a preview release. > > Assuming that you're currently using OpenSolaris 2009.06 or a later build, > you're enjoying a preview of Solaris 11 already. > > Nobody from Oracle said Solaris 11 won't be open source, so that should > satisfy all of your requirements above. > >> What I definitely do not want is the Solaris kernel under the hood of a >> Linux distribution. *yuck* > > No need for that. > > Just give Oracle some more time to explain themselves. > > And watching Oracle's communications around Oracle Open World is always a > good idea. > > > Hope this helps, >Constantin And to add to what my colleague Constantin said: If the leaked email is to be believed, there also will be the Open Source part, so I disagree to what Erik wrote here... So, the "only" significant changes so far known are: - No more Open Development (that's why the OGB dissolved itself) - Open Source ONLY AFTER the corresponding binary distribution - Name Change for the binary distribution: OpenSolaris in now called Solaris 11 Express Hope this clarifies a bit... Matthias -- Matthias Pfützner | Tel.: +49 700 PFUETZNER | Sysadmins are highly paid Lichtenbergstr.73 | mailto:matth...@pfuetzner.de | babysitters. D-64289 Darmstadt | AIM: pfuetz, ICQ: 300967487 | Germany | http://www.pfuetzner.de/matthias/ | Unix Haters Handbook ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana - what comes closest to it?
Hi Stefan, now that OpenSolaris as a distribution is dead, it might be getting time to move on. Question: which one of the distributions based on the Solaris kernel comes closest to Indiana, i.e. contains as much as legally possible from the 'official' Solaris world while still being open source? I mean, ZFS, zones, Xvm/Xen, IPS, self healing, automated installation, you name it. That's Solaris 11. As John Fowler said, it will become available later this year as a preview release. Assuming that you're currently using OpenSolaris 2009.06 or a later build, you're enjoying a preview of Solaris 11 already. Nobody from Oracle said Solaris 11 won't be open source, so that should satisfy all of your requirements above. What I definitely do not want is the Solaris kernel under the hood of a Linux distribution. *yuck* No need for that. Just give Oracle some more time to explain themselves. And watching Oracle's communications around Oracle Open World is always a good idea. Hope this helps, Constantin -- Constantin Gonzalez Schmitz, Sales Consultant, Oracle Hardware Presales Germany Phone: +49 89 460 08 25 91 | Mobile: +49 172 834 90 30 Blog: http://constantin.glez.de/| Twitter: zalez ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG, Sonnenallee 1, 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstraße 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Optimizing performance on a ZFS-based NAS
So I've gotten link aggregation working on the server and one of the clients (had a small adventure recovering an older Linksys SRW2008 switch). The performance actually dropped a bit on the one client. (the easiest way to test this is to just unplumb and replumb the various combinations of cards on the client). So this is not encouraging. I'm doing everything over NFS. Is there any situation where, say, a multiple-file copy will distribute the load over more than one link? Even the peak performance never exceeded 125 MB/sec, so there doesn't seem to be any performance advantage to this. Also, I've configured the LACPACTIVITY option on all cases to "off". Does this matter? And how do I check for errors (interface error counter) that you mention? Thanks! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
