Re: [osol-discuss] Goodbye Sun.com
I cannot quite grasp the name Oracle Solaris which they called it in the webcasts, when I've been saying Sun Solaris for many, many years. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
I may be incorrect, but when I watched the webcast and they had the graphics displayed showing the hardware line and Oracle VM working with Logical Domains, etc., they had the x86 hardware. I'll have to look again, but they had three blocks for operating systems on top which were Solaris, Linux, and Windows. I know in another slide they listed OpenSolaris and had the website, but I honestly don't believe they will continue development of OpenSolaris which has mostly been developed on x86. For quite some time there wasn't a Sparc install and then you needed AI. Now a text installer for Sparc has been released, but it is late. Oracle isn't going to put tens or hundreds of millions into OpenSolaris when they announed they are going to spend more on Solaris development than Sun. And there are many things in OpenSolaris which are not enterprise ready and it would cost a lot of money and time to get OpenSolaris to the point of being ready for enterprise data centers. AI. Caiman. Zones. Network Auto Magic (default). Especially when Oracle spends millions on Linux, why spend more money for another x86 OS when Solaris isn't used much on x86? There are a lot of good innovations in OpenSolaris which can be used in the next Solaris release, but I just don't see OpenSolaris being able to survive. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
I should have clarified. I was speaking about the way zones are implemented presently in OpenSolaris. They need to function like Solaris 10. I like zones and use them frequently. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
I realize that OpenSolaris isn't *entirely* separate from Solaris, but if Sun intended to have the next release of Solaris based on OpenSolaris, then millions will have to be spent to get it to that point, and many years. The better option would have been to have the next release built on SXCE. Now, I am aware that SXCE was built on OpenSolaris, but it was more ready for the enterprise because it had the installer, zones, packaging, etc., already there. The Sparc text installer for OpenSolaris was only released yesterday. There can't be any denial that OpenSolaris was targeted for a desktop user. Network Auto Magic? That doesn't yell enterprise, but rather joe schmoe sitting at home. OpenSolaris Sparc wasn't available for the longest time. AI isn't near ready for the enterprise so how many years before OpenSolaris can be ready. How is OpenSolaris going to run on M-Series servers? That I'd like to see. Sun spent $500 million on Solaris 10. Is Oracle going to spend that much on OpenSolaris to get it ready for the enterprise? I doubt it. Take the good parts from SXCE and merge them into Solaris 10 and create SolarisNextGen or something. BTW, I do run OpenSolaris and have since 2008.05 and will install dev preview 131 soon. But please, OpenSolaris isn't ready to be installed on T- and M-Series servers in a 2000 server data center. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
If I wanted to run a GNU/Linux distribution I would, but apparently the decision is being made for those who like Solaris, to be made to run another Linux-type server. Seriously, how long (how many years) and how much money is it going to take to make OpenSolaris a replacement for Solaris 10? Is Oracle going to spend that much money? To make a desktop OS work as a data center OS is not remotely the best engineering practice. Could you run Solaris 8 on a desktop? Sure. But why? It wasn't practical. Could you use Windows 95 as a server? Probably many did. But why? That wasn't its intended use. Now the OS is going to be retrofitted to make it an enterprise server? With Solaris you can choose what you want to install. Not so with OpenSolaris. You get what you're told. I'm probably old school, however, the barrier to adoption is probably right, but with those installers like RHEL and SuSE have, everything is going web-based and you need Java installed to open a console. Give me a Putty session and connect me via ALOM and I'm ready to go with my Jumpstart server! 'boot net - install' and off and running. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
I missed the webcast. What specifically were the operating systems and virtualization roadmaps? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Acer laptop with external 23 monitor
I am running 0906 on an Acer laptop with a 23 lcd monitor externally connectecd. When I go to monitor resolution, it won't apply the changes of 1366x768 on the laptop monitor unless the 23 monitor is off. I guess it's not a big deal, and when I want to use the 23 monitor I can enable that and turn off the laptop monitor, but I shouldn't have to do that. I should be able to extend the desktop to the external monitor. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 0906 NIC driver
Installed OpenSolaris 0906 on an Acer Aspire 5516 and it recognized the wireless NIC in network administration, but not the onboard LAN even though both are Atheros. The onboard LAN is recognized in /etc/path_to_inst but why isn't it allowing me to use the device as a NIC? It is an Atheros AR8132 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller. Doing a search I have seen this controller is a problem in Linux too. Any way to get this to work in OpenSolaris? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
It seems a lot of questions about opensolaris are directed at using it as a desktop (firefox and mplayer for example). Opensolaris is supposed to be a precursor to the next Enterprise Solaris but directing efforts at desktop features seems misguided. Solaris has always been a server OS not a desktop and I would like to see the efforts spent making Opensolaris a solid enterprise server, not a desktop OS. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
AI is replacing jumpstart which is an enterprise necessity. SMF is an enterprise feature and reminds me of AIX's srcmstr. zfs is certainly an enterprise feature. A text installer is not a gui that needs gnome or anything like that. I run OpenBSD as a server and don't have X11 installed. I run AIX as a server (granted it isn't a desktop by any stretch of the imagination) and don't have X11 installed. I run Solaris as a server and don't have X11 installed. A gui isn't needed for an Enterprise OS. I run HACMP on a text screen. I run Sun Cluster from the command line. Granted, I have to use a gui for Red Hat Cluster Suite, but that is a failure of the product, I shouldn't have to (look about at HACMP and Sun Cluster). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Notice to VirtualBox users - v3.0.4 released
OpenBSD 4.5 works without disk full and segmentation faults. Finally! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Moving hard drive to new machine
Currently I have a 150G drive in an e-machines pc with 2G of memory and have one internal NIC and pci NIC's. It's a single CPU machine. Using OpenSolaris 2009.06. I have a number of vnic and etherstub devices setup and have 5 VirtualBox instances running in non-global zones each running an instance of FreeBSD. Because of the setup the system is sluggish, but not so much due to memory, but due to CPU exhaustion. If I had an X2250 or another server that has 2 CPU's and 2 cores, what problems would I have to move the current hard drive into the X2250? I know the NIC driver would change but the two zones using afe0 and rtls0 currently could be changed to use bge0/1 or whatever driver is in the new machine. I've done a swap in the past on Sun Fire servers using Solaris 9 on sparc. Other than the NIC changes would there be anything else that would prevent a swap to a new machine? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 0906 TIMEZONE
The global zone has the correct timezone US/Central but all of my installed zones have a PDT date, even though /etc/default/init has US/Central. This must be a bug, and if so, how can I set my zones to US/Central? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox security - global zone vs. non-global zone
I was successful using FreeBSD 7.2 in VirtualBox 3.0.2 in a non-global zone on OpenSolaris 0906. I was partially successful with OpenBSD 4.5 in VirtualBox 3.0.2 in a non-global zone on OpenSolaris 0906. The usual disk full message and segmentation faults occurred during installation but the installation completed. During startup there were a few segmentation faults but it started. On shutdown there was also a segmentation fault. Because of the segmentation faults I'm not ready to switch from FreeBSD to OpenBSD although I would like to. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox 3.0 -- OpenBSD runs fine with 2.2.4
VirtualBox 3.0.0 fails to startup in a non-global zone just like 2.2.4 and 2.2.2. Only 2.2.0 seems to work in a non-global zone. Which means I can't run OpenBSD because it gets seg faults and disk full errors on 2.2.0. Can't run 2.2.4 because something is broken and it doesn't appear anyone cares to fix it at VirtualBox since bug #4226 has been opened. Opened a new bug for 3.0.0 failing to run in a non-global zone. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Building zones is very slow again
This morning I was able to build an IPS zone in ~83 seconds. Now the new zone I installed was 509 seconds. Is there an explanation why this is happening? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox 3.0 -- OpenBSD runs fine with 2.2.4
For what it's worth: I opened a bug (#4226) on the virtualbox.org site in bugtracker for the FreeBSD only working with 2.2.0 in a non-global zone and there hasn't been any movement. There are also a few OpenBSD bugs that address the disk full and seg fault problems, so opening a new one about OpenBSD would be pointless. I will try OpenBSD 4.5 and see how it works. The reason for OpenBSD is to run pf as a firewall and since I couldn't get OpenBSD to work I switched to FreeBSD to run pf. Then I ran into FreeBSD wouldn't work with 2.2.2 or 2.2.4, only 2.2.0. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] os.org site issues
Why doesn't SUN post something - or better yet - fix the problem, the next time the repository isn't responding and nobody can install zones for over 2 days on OpenSolaris? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] VirtualBox 3.0
With VirtualBox 2.2.2 and 2.2.4 in a non-global zone I am unable to use FreeBSD as a guest, although FreeBSD works with VirtualBox 2.2.0. So can SUN verify that FreeBSD works as a guest in VirtualBox 3.0 in a non-global zone? Also, is OpenBSD EVER going to work in VirtualBox? If not, then delist it from the list of supported operating systems. It would be nice to get supposedly supported operating systems like OpenBSD to work in a VirtualBox release rather than charging off into the sunset and adding new features when the old one doesn't work right to being with. That is like adding a new valve mechanism but not improving the cam timing. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox 3.0
Thanks, but I have already opened a bug ticket (4226) with virtualbox.org and there was only one response - asking if I followed the documentation - without regard to reading that 2.2.0 works but not later releases. I thought since that bug and the OpenBSD full disk and seg faults aren't dealt with on virtualbox.org, then I would post here with the thought that since SUN owns virtualbox then possibly it would get routed to engineers there and possibly have resolutions to existing problems. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] DHCP to Static IP
If you want to use Crossbow then you can't have nwam running otherwise after a reboot none of the virtual devices created will show under 'dladm show-link', although they continue to work; you just can't see them. I have to disable nwam and enable physical for Crossbow to persistently display devices across reboots. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] CAN'T INSTALL A ZONE FOR 2 DAYS
Installing with dev, although it didn't work before either from what I saw on another thread. Seem release is intermittent today. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Optiplex 960; No SOF interrupt
I have/had opensolaris 0805, 0811, and 0906; sxce builds 114 115 all running on three different pieces of hardware - 1 laptop and 2 desktops and haven't run into any installation problems with any release. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Few questions w.r.t. OS 2009.06 ZFS mirroring and installation.
Can you partition the second drive with fmthard so the table is identical to the primary drive? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
