3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[David Templar]

Hi all,

I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help to 
generate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to install 
on motorola phones.


I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. It 
appears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone does 
not seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someone 
said to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now, 
but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is called 
motman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly posting 
does not allow .crt extensions.


The certificate I have enclosed is new to me, and myself as well as 
others are having a problem working out what it is...


Please tell me how to create my own certificates like it either using 
openssl or any other tool.


Your help is really needed and appreciated - even if you cannot help, 
please tell me where I can get some help...


Thanks in advance,

David
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Re: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[Pablo J Royo]

I suppose this is not the right forum to ask for Smartphone issues.

Anyway, here:

http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/crtimprt.html

may be you could find a way to do what you need , a little idea or maybe
something more.
He explains how to import a *personal* certificate and a CA certificate on a
PocketPC, running Windows Mobile 2003.
I have tryed the same on a Windows 2002 Smartphone and it doesn't work, but
I think it could work on windows Mobile 2003, becuse it worked in my
PocketPC PDA.
You could also try to use a little CryptoAPI program for that. Again ,I
suspect this is not the right forum  ;-).

Hope this helps

- Original Message -
From: David Templar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation


 Hi all,

 I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help to
 generate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to install
 on motorola phones.

 I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. It
 appears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone does
 not seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someone
 said to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now,
 but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is called
 motman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly posting
 does not allow .crt extensions.

 The certificate I have enclosed is new to me, and myself as well as
 others are having a problem working out what it is...

 Please tell me how to create my own certificates like it either using
 openssl or any other tool.

 Your help is really needed and appreciated - even if you cannot help,
 please tell me where I can get some help...

 Thanks in advance,

 David







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Re: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[David Templar]

Thanks, it does help a bit... could you tell me about the cryptoapi
program?

But I will say that it is not a smartphone. It uses standard motorola
software and its jce package All I really need to do is convert my
standard certs to the motman.crt file I had attached. I have tried
everything else - including using the windows sdk to create
certificates. Importing certificates on motorola can only be done by
manually placing the certificate in the x509 directory - hence the need
to be able to generate a certificate that complies with the format.

The reason why I am posting here is because openssl (I have been using
for many years) comes with cert creation abilities - it has helped me
for many years with PC java!

Also, I was hoping I would be able to ask many crypto experts on the
forum!

RGDS

David
Pablo J Royo wrote:

  I suppose this is not the right forum to ask for Smartphone issues.

Anyway, here:

http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/crtimprt.html

may be you could find a way to do what you need , a little idea or maybe
something more.
He explains how to import a *personal* certificate and a CA certificate on a
PocketPC, running Windows Mobile 2003.
I have tryed the same on a Windows 2002 Smartphone and it doesn't work, but
I think it could work on windows Mobile 2003, becuse it worked in my
PocketPC PDA.
You could also try to use a little CryptoAPI program for that. Again ,I
suspect this is not the right forum  ;-).

Hope this helps

- Original Message -
From: "David Templar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation


  
  
Hi all,

I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help to
generate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to install
on motorola phones.

I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. It
appears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone does
not seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someone
said to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now,
but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is called
motman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly posting
does not allow .crt extensions.

The certificate I have enclosed is new to me, and myself as well as
others are having a problem working out what it is...

Please tell me how to create my own certificates like it either using
openssl or any other tool.

Your help is really needed and appreciated - even if you cannot help,
please tell me where I can get some help...

Thanks in advance,

David


  
  





  
  
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RE: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[Daniel Diaz Sanchez]

Hi,



CryptoAPI
is the security API of Microsoft. If you are using a Pocket PC or SmartPhone
you can use a subset of functions of that API (that is completely supported on
NT). You can have a look to openssl-dev and will find a message from me giving
support to build OpenSSL for Pocket PC or Windows Mobile 2003 with full access
to the openssl.exe application by using a console on the device (a little difficult
to use with the Soft Input Panel but ok to have openssl everywhere).



For
your concrete problem may you can ask in a Motorola forum or to anybody who
knows flex operating system (the one from Motorola).



Daniel
Díaz 



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De: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En
nombre de David Templar
Enviado el: martes, 12 de julio de
2005 20:01
Para: openssl-users@openssl.org
Asunto: Re: 3rd time request...
PLEASE help! Phone cert creation





Thanks, it does
help a bit... could you tell me about the cryptoapi program?

But I will say that it is not a smartphone. It uses standard motorola
software and its jce package All I really need to do is convert my standard
certs to the motman.crt file I had attached. I have tried everything else -
including using the windows sdk to create certificates. Importing certificates
on motorola can only be done by manually placing the certificate in the x509
directory - hence the need to be able to generate a certificate that complies
with the format.

The reason why I am posting here is because openssl (I have been using for many
years) comes with cert creation abilities - it has helped me for many years
with PC java!

Also, I was hoping I would be able to ask many crypto experts on the forum!

RGDS

David
Pablo J Royo wrote: 

I suppose this is not the right forum to ask for Smartphone issues.Anyway, here:http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/crtimprt.htmlmay be you could find a way to do what you need , a little idea or maybesomething more.He explains how to import a *personal* certificate and a CA certificate on aPocketPC, running Windows Mobile 2003.I have tryed the same on a Windows 2002 Smartphone and it doesn't work, butI think it could work on windows Mobile 2003, becuse it worked in myPocketPC PDA.You could also try to use a little CryptoAPI program for that. Again ,Isuspect this is not the right forum  ;-).Hope this helps- Original Message -From: David Templar [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: openssl-users@openssl.orgSent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:49 PMSubject: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation  

Hi all,I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help togenerate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to installon motorola phones.I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. Itappears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone doesnot seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someonesaid to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now,but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is calledmotman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly postingdoes not allow .crt extensions.The certificate I have enclosed is new to me, and myself as well asothers are having a problem working out what it is...Please tell me how to create my own certificates like it either usingopenssl or any other tool.Your help is really needed and appreciated - even if you cannot help,please tell me where I can get some help...Thanks in advance,David    

  





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Re: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[David Templar]

Thankyou for the reply. I have tried the microsoft sdk and the matter
is not resolved. Motorola will not help with certificates, they want
you to send them your code and they will sign it if the like it - after
6-8 weeks of an application process! The only hope I have is to create
my own certificates of the format of the motman.crt that I had attached
with the original post.

So far what I know about the cert:

1. the first 2 octets are used to say how many certs in the chain.
2. that it can be read using asn1 readers.
3. that it may use a 128  140 bit key and signature

Daniel Diaz Sanchez wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Hi,
   
  CryptoAPI
is the security API of Microsoft. If you are using a Pocket PC or
SmartPhone
you can use a subset of functions of that API (that is completely
supported on
NT). You can have a look to openssl-dev and will find a message from me
giving
support to build OpenSSL for Pocket PC or Windows Mobile 2003 with full
access
to the openssl.exe application by using a console on the device (a
little difficult
to use with the Soft Input Panel but ok to have openssl everywhere).
   
  For
your concrete problem may you can ask in a Motorola forum or to anybody
who
knows flex operating system (the one from Motorola).
   
  Daniel
Díaz 
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  
  
  
  De:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] En
nombre de David Templar
  Enviado el: martes, 12
de julio de
2005 20:01
  Para:
openssl-users@openssl.org
  Asunto: Re: 3rd time
request...
PLEASE help! Phone cert creation
  
   
  Thanks, it does
help a bit... could you tell me about the cryptoapi program?
  
  But I will say that it is not a smartphone. It uses standard
motorola
software and its jce package All I really need to do is convert my
standard
certs to the motman.crt file I had attached. I have tried everything
else -
including using the windows sdk to create certificates. Importing
certificates
on motorola can only be done by manually placing the certificate in the
x509
directory - hence the need to be able to generate a certificate that
complies
with the format.
  
The reason why I am posting here is because openssl (I have been using
for many
years) comes with cert creation abilities - it has helped me for many
years
with PC java!
  
Also, I was hoping I would be able to ask many crypto experts on the
forum!
  
RGDS
  
David
Pablo J Royo wrote: 
  I suppose this is not the right forum to ask for Smartphone issues.
   
  Anyway, here:
   
  http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/crtimprt.html
   
  may be you could find a way to do what you need , a little idea or maybe
  something more.
  He explains how to import a *personal* certificate and a CA certificate on a
  PocketPC, running Windows Mobile 2003.
  I have tryed the same on a Windows 2002 Smartphone and it doesn't work, but
  I think it could work on windows Mobile 2003, becuse it worked in my
  PocketPC PDA.
  You could also try to use a little CryptoAPI program for that. Again ,I
  suspect this is not the right forum  ;-).
   
  Hope this helps
   
  - Original Message -
  From: "David Templar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: openssl-users@openssl.org
  Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:49 PM
  Subject: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation
   
   
    
  
Hi all,
 
I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help to
generate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to install
on motorola phones.
 
I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. It
appears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone does
not seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someone
said to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now,
but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is called
motman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly posting
does not allow .crt extensions.
 
The certificate I have enclosed is new to me, and myself as well as
others are having a problem working out what it is...
 
Please tell me how to create my own certificates like it either using
openssl or any other tool.
 
Your help is really needed and appreciated - even if you cannot help,
please tell me where I can get some help...
 
Thanks in advance,
 
David
 
    
  
   
   
  
  
   
   
    
  




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Re: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[Dr. Stephen Henson]

On Tue, Jul 12, 2005, David Templar wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help to 
 generate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to install 
 on motorola phones.
 
 I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. It 
 appears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone does 
 not seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someone 
 said to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now, 
 but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is called 
 motman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly posting 
 does not allow .crt extensions.
 

Its V3 X509 with two additional bytes prepended. IF you want to generate it
just take a DER format file and prepend the same bytes.

However there may not be a solution to your problem. I know of a couple of
phones that deliberately have no way to add new CA certificates.

Steve.
--
Dr Stephen N. Henson. Email, S/MIME and PGP keys: see homepage
OpenSSL project core developer and freelance consultant.
Funding needed! Details on homepage.
Homepage: http://www.drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk
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Re: 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[David Templar]

Thanks, I will try this within the next hour to see what happens. Is 
there a key size or any other issues that I need to consider when I 
generate a new cert now?


Dr. Stephen Henson wrote:


On Tue, Jul 12, 2005, David Templar wrote:

 


Hi all,

I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help to 
generate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to install 
on motorola phones.


I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. It 
appears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone does 
not seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someone 
said to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now, 
but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is called 
motman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly posting 
does not allow .crt extensions.


   



Its V3 X509 with two additional bytes prepended. IF you want to generate it
just take a DER format file and prepend the same bytes.

However there may not be a solution to your problem. I know of a couple of
phones that deliberately have no way to add new CA certificates.

Steve.
--
Dr Stephen N. Henson. Email, S/MIME and PGP keys: see homepage
OpenSSL project core developer and freelance consultant.
Funding needed! Details on homepage.
Homepage: http://www.drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk
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Re: Dr Henson is a superstar!!! 3rd time request... PLEASE help! Phone cert creation

[David Templar]

I tried what you said, and for the first time the phone accepts 
something! Only thing is that it gives me 2 messages when I check the 
status of the certificate:

1. no name for it
2. expired. The phone says the expiry date is wed 0/0/00.

Instead of generating a new certificate, I used one I generated a week a 
ago. It has been some time since I last used openssl and maybe the 
version I have is old or I incorrectly generated the certificate. Did I 
do something wrong?


I have atached a copy of the certificate I uploaded to the phone - maybe 
you can kindly tell me where I have gone wrong. I have changed the 
extension of the attached cert to .txt as the openssl forum does not 
accept .crt.


Thanks for your great tip! I am now 90% there!

RGDS,
David

Dr. Stephen Henson wrote:


On Tue, Jul 12, 2005, David Templar wrote:

 


Hi all,

I am really stuck and have tried all I can - I really need your help to 
generate a software publishing certificate and its root cert to install 
on motorola phones.


I am enclosing a copy of an already existing cert on the phone. It 
appears to be a V4 x509 cert - I could be wrong though. The phone does 
not seem to accept any certificates I have currently generated. Someone 
said to delete the first 2 octets, using that I can read the file now, 
but how do I generate a certificate like it?? The certificate is called 
motman.crt, but I have attached it as motman.txt as the openssly posting 
does not allow .crt extensions.


   



Its V3 X509 with two additional bytes prepended. IF you want to generate it
just take a DER format file and prepend the same bytes.

However there may not be a solution to your problem. I know of a couple of
phones that deliberately have no way to add new CA certificates.

Steve.
--
Dr Stephen N. Henson. Email, S/MIME and PGP keys: see homepage
OpenSSL project core developer and freelance consultant.
Funding needed! Details on homepage.
Homepage: http://www.drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk
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