Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
2011/5/4 Vishvananda Ishaya : > Agreed, we still have a lot of cross project discussions, especially around > things like auth/etc. Admittedly the specific questions about swift vs. > nova are usually isolated, but I don't think I've found it to be > particularly annoying to have them going on in the shared channel. I think that's because the majority of traffic is related to Nova. So, for Nova devs, it's relatively easy to ignore the small amount of Swift stuff, but for Swift devs, I suspect it's annoying to have weed through a bunch of things that aren't really relevant in order to catch the relevant stuff. I'm not speaking for the Swift guys, and I guess the traffic patterns could even be completely different outside my business hours, but if the Swift guys wanted a separate channel, I wouldn't be surprised at all and I certainly don't want to hold them back. -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
2011/5/3 Stephen Spector : > Finally, Hawaii sounds great until you see the cost of a Diet Coke in a > hotel – it is just too expensive. Heh.. Have you even been to Europe? :) At the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Prague, the hotel had 0.7 L (that's less than a fifth of a gallon) bottles of water for CZK 300 (around $20). I didn't bother checking the price of much else. :) -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
On May 4, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: > I think that's because the majority of traffic is related to Nova. So, > for Nova devs, it's relatively easy to ignore the small amount of > Swift stuff, but for Swift devs, I suspect it's annoying to have weed > through a bunch of things that aren't really relevant in order to > catch the relevant stuff. I'm not speaking for the Swift guys, and I > guess the traffic patterns could even be completely different outside > my business hours, but if the Swift guys wanted a separate channel, I > wouldn't be surprised at all and I certainly don't want to hold them > back. as a swift dev, +1 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
On 05/04/2011 12:34 AM, Wayne A. Walls wrote: > I'm not against an #OpenStack and an #OpenStack-dev/whatever, but > being a non-dev, I pick up a ton of good information just lurking > and following conversation. I love eavesdrop for locating past > discussions, and adding more channels doesn't stop this, just > spreads out the information (which might be a bad thing in this > case). Most importantly, I don't want to have any more chat tabs > open than I have to :) Wayne's observation is spot on - users hanging out with the devs and gaining valuable information by osmosis is a huge reason to leave main conversation in one location. Too many times I've seen a split, then the -dev mantra becomes "that's a -user question, go ask there.." Additionally, there no zero readability reasons to move to multiple channels at this time. At no time since its inception (and sadly quite the opposite during the summit...) has the channel scrolled faster than I can read, and at no time is my scrollback buffer beyond when I last sat down to read the channel. When it gets closer to #linux in volume, someone will quietly suggest a conversation move to -swift or some such, and it will just happen organically. -- Michael ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Cool, I will put up a forum with each and give out admin details so people can poke around and see what one they like best. I will send out links and login info later today. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Thomas Goirand To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Sent: 2011 May, Wed, 4 04:47:15 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum - Original message - > Is there another free OSS option out there for a forum? All the others I > know of require money for commercial use etc. About 2 dozen of very valuable projects yes. PunBB, SMF and Fudforum pops to my mind, smf being the most famous, Fudforum being the most feature full (IMHO). All of then are in GPL or similar, having better security record, and responsive upstream authors. Fudforum has a threaded mode. PhpBB is what Openstack should never become: bloatware because of too many not organized contribs. Thomas (from my phone) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
On 05/04/2011 09:09 PM, Me wrote: > Cool, I will put up a forum with each and give out admin details so people > can poke around and see what one they like best. I will send out links and > login info later today. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless FYI, this page is quite interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software_%28PHP%29 Thomas ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
OK, I am going to re-reply to the same message, top post, leave all the relevant (and irrelevant) info below, reiterate my opinion, and expand. phpBB is a poor choice of forum software, IMO. As was mentioned by others, it has a terrible security record, but that is not entirely my point, relative to the conversation I replied to. I think most web forum software packages, in whatever language and state of security maintenance suffer from an overall design problem. *Typical* forums are a horrible conversation format, IMO, however people seem to love them for some reason (see the current first post - what's important seems to be my avatar, skype#...). Every, and I mean *every* single busy forum site that I have encountered, has some FAQ posted somewhere and exceedingly repetitive replies to posts about "Search the Forums before posting" blah, blah.. There are a very few exceptions to this common web forum format failure. The fact that they need human intervention to "sticky" commonly asked posts and keep new users directed to read and search and post intelligently.. at that point, why not just use wikis more - people can ask questions and get answers on a wiki. One exception to the typical web forum, StackExchange (and all related), is an interesting suggestion. It does happen to be one of the forum-ish sites that I think solves some of the common format issues of typical web forums. Unlike most other forum posts, which are arrived at by keyword searches, I can imagine people actually checking the site for new "interesting" posts and following along the "hot" conversations, etc., which do not require human intervention to bubble to the top. The minimalization of avatar pictures, lack of silly user taglines, and other *content* distractions put the focus where it belongs. There - hopefully a more wordy reply gets people back on track and thinking about what they might want to look for in a web-based conversation area. -- Michael (please, don't reply-all, I read the mailing list..) On 05/03/2011 02:49 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums! > > http://forums.openstack.org > > Work in progress so feel free to join and post up any comments about the > forum etc. > > -Original Message- > From: "Everett Toews" > Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:22pm > To: "Anne Gentle" > Cc: "Jordan Rinke" , openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum > > Regarding your StackExchange questions Anne. > > For an Open Source StackExchange-like site OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/) could > be used. > > For StackExchange itself it's free as in beer ( > http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq). > > "How much does Stack Exchange cost? > > Creating a Stack Exchange site is free. Using a Stack Exchange site is > free. The Creative Commons licenseguarantees that questions and answers are > free to access, free to use and re-use (with attribution), and free to > share… forever." > > Everett > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: > >> Hey all, thanks for asking for my input. :) >> >> A few months ago, I said it's too early. This month, I do sense a need for >> community support, based on questions I see on the docs site and the types >> of questions in Launchpad Answers. >> >> I think we're getting to a real user community and it would be good timing >> to start a forum, so I say yes, with the request that we have strong guides. >> Jordan and Ron can be our one-percenter guys, the ones who are helpful and >> responsive. We'll need other one-percenters. Vish has done a _great_ job >> responding to Launchpad Answers. It's getting to be really helpful. But it's >> not quite a forum. And it's not about the tool, it's about being responsive, >> right? >> >> I don't want to weigh in too heavily on a tools discussion, because it's >> more about the community and people than a tool. The responses here seem to >> indicate that sys admins would lean towards forums. I personally like the >> Stack Exchange style sites for building a reputation which motivates >> participation if done well. However, OpenStack is not a big enough draw for >> them to be a "Top Network Site" like Ubuntu. And the tool is certainly not >> open source. I don't honestly know pricing or licensing or availability of a >> standalone Stack Exchange site. Does anyone have details there? That info >> might help with the tools discussion. >> >> My main point is that I'd like to ensure responsiveness, so we don't have >> empty restaurant syndrome in a forum-like support site. The people who will >> be most responsive to users and adopters should probably weigh in on the >> tools discussion. Devs won't need to monitor the admin community support >> site once we get a core group of admins running OpenStack and helping >> others. >> >> So that's my current thinking. >> Anne >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote: >> >>> Interesting because Ron
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
2011/5/4 Michael Shuler : > Additionally, there no zero readability reasons to move to multiple > channels at this time. At no time since its inception (and sadly quite > the opposite during the summit...) The whole point of a summit is to take typing speed out of the equation and have discussions in person rather than over IRC. Little or no traffic in development channels is expected. > has the channel scrolled faster than > I can read, and at no time is my scrollback buffer beyond when I last > sat down to read the channel. When it gets closer to #linux in volume, > someone will quietly suggest a conversation move to -swift or some such, > and it will just happen organically. Isn't that what's happening here, now? -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
On 05/04/2011 06:58 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/5/3 Stephen Spector: Finally, Hawaii sounds great until you see the cost of a Diet Coke in a hotel – it is just too expensive. Heh.. Have you even been to Europe? :) At the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Prague, the hotel had 0.7 L (that's less than a fifth of a gallon) bottles of water for CZK 300 (around $20). I didn't bother checking the price of much else. :) However a much more important benchmark was that 0.5 L of beer was ~15 CZK, which at the time was about $0.90. -- Soren Hansen| http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer| http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
2011/5/4 Rick Clark : > On 05/04/2011 06:58 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: >> 2011/5/3 Stephen Spector: >>> Finally, Hawaii sounds great until you see the cost of a Diet Coke in a >>> hotel – it is just too expensive. >> Heh.. Have you even been to Europe? :) >> At the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Prague, the hotel had 0.7 L (that's >> less than a fifth of a gallon) bottles of water for CZK 300 (around >> $20). I didn't bother checking the price of much else. :) > However a much more important benchmark was that 0.5 L of beer was ~15 CZK, > which at the time was about $0.90. I'm sure *something* is cheap in Hawaii, too. Like coconuts or something. :) But beer is definitely preferred over coconuts, so let's shoot for Prague. :) -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
This concerns me, as its not scalable. Yes, a few users might pick up some valuable information "by osmosis," but as the use of OpenStack grows, it will require massive amounts of repetition to ensure that the same knowledge goes to all users. IRC is *not* the proper medium for capturing user information; that needs to be static and updatable. On 5/4/11 7:48 AM, "Michael Shuler" wrote: >Wayne's observation is spot on - users hanging out with the devs and >gaining valuable information by osmosis is a huge reason to leave main >conversation in one location. Too many times I've seen a split, then >the -dev mantra becomes "that's a -user question, go ask there.." > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
On 05/04/2011 08:28 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: > 2011/5/4 Michael Shuler : >> Additionally, there [are] zero readability reasons to move to multiple >> channels at this time. At no time since its inception (and sadly quite >> the opposite during the summit...) > > The whole point of a summit is to take typing speed out of the > equation and have discussions in person rather than over IRC. Little > or no traffic in development channels is expected. For the people actually there, yeah.. ;) As I have suggested for prior summits, planning for some remote attendance would be very nice for including those that cannot travel for whatever reason. >> has the channel scrolled faster than >> I can read, and at no time is my scrollback buffer beyond when I last >> sat down to read the channel. When it gets closer to #linux in volume, >> someone will quietly suggest a conversation move to -swift or some such, >> and it will just happen organically. > > Isn't that what's happening here, now? Sort of - I was replying mainly to the suggestion of splitting off a -dev channel. Ant's suggestion of -nova, -swift, etc. is along the right lines of separation (don't split users/devs), however, I still think this is kind of premature. My point is that I have no problems reading every line of the channel - y'all think the volume really that prolific? -- Michael (I read the list - please, reply to the *list*) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
On 5/3/11 8:44 PM, "Devin Carlen" wrote: >There was a lot of talk earlier about Seattle and there seemed to be a >fair amount of interest. > >Devin Devin: Seattle was discussed but I thought that we should go to the East Coast in the US as we did the West Coast last week. Several attendees from Europe liked this idea as it will reduce their travel. Of course, there is no way to make everyone happy with location so my thinking is to bounce around various parts of the country/globe as we continue to have these events in the coming years. Stephen Spector ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Network service: Quantum and Donabe BPs
Blueprints are typically used for specific features, but you can also have "supertask" blueprints that serve as a way to group related blueprints together. Each blueprint can have zero or more dependencies, which allow you to construct dependency graphs. For an example of this, see here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/drizzle/+spec/replication-message-transform-library See the Dependency tree at the bottom. Cheers, jay On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Ram Durairaj (radurair) wrote: > Hello All: > > > > As per our discussions in Design summit, created 4 Blueprint (BP) > placeholder for Donabe…and also see 6 BPs for Quantum …wondering about need > for so many # of BPs… > > > > Could we just have two BPs one for Quantum and another for Donabe? That way > most of the discussions and the subsequent dev may be all inter related wrt > one of these BP… > > > > Sorry, new to this BP/Launchpad process…So not clear on why / how to > breakdown into Multiple BPs…I see a benefit if its all self contained. > > > > Thoughts? > > Ram > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
On 5/3/11 5:03 PM, "Nelson Nahum" wrote: >Hi Stephen, > >Was nice to meet you last week. > >I think that the conference and design summit was excellent. ! > >I would like to raise the idea of having a business track in parallel >to the technical track. I think will be very beneficial for many start >ups like us, that with one trip, we can cover technical and biz dev. > >Regards, >Nelson > Nelson: Thanks for the idea. I am starting to think about the various tracks for the Conference part of the next event and my initial ideas look like this (I will update the names but these are basic ideas): Day 1 Morning - General Session Afternoon Community Track Technical Track Day 2 Morning New User Track Advanced User Track Afternoon Service Provider Track Ecosystem/Business Track Thanks. Stephen Spector ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
A few people have mentioned the stack exchange style idea. I think this is a fantastic idea; StackOverflow, etc. has been extremely useful to me. Since it is free to host a subdomain on StackExchange if there is enough support, we might as well get the ball rolling in addition. This could replace or be in addition to a forum. Note that this is not any kind of "official" decision to use Stack Exchange, but if we want to leave ourselves the opportunity to use it we need to get it started soon because it will likely take a couple of weeks. I went ahead and proposed it here: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/31788/openstack if this seems like a good idea to you, follow it and create and vote on example questions. It would start as a community site. If there is enough support on the site we can decide (with the ppb) whether we want it to be an "official" channel. Vish___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
If we're trying out different software and potentially putting it to a vote, the StackExchange style should not be disregarded. Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least interested in trying) the StackExchange style. Thierry Carrez Lorin Hochstein Todd Morey Richard Hartman Michael Shuler Rick Clark Although Anne Gentle said she likes the style I've purposefully left her off the list because she said she doesn't want to weigh in on the tools debate. If I've misrepresented anyone, please let me know. Any experimentation or vote should include the StackExchange style. For Open Source there is Shapado (https://github.com/ricodigo/shapado) and OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/). To experiment with these you can go to http://meta.osqa.net/ or http://shapado.com/ For free there is StackExchange.com. To experiment with this you can go to http://stackoverflow.com/ or http://serverfault.com/ IMO the StackExchange style of site is not too technical for any kind of user and should be considered along with the other forum style software. Regards, Everett On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Me wrote: > Cool, I will put up a forum with each and give out admin details so people > can poke around and see what one they like best. I will send out links and > login info later today. > > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > > -Original message- > > *From: *Thomas Goirand * > To: *openstack@lists.launchpad.net > * > Sent: *2011 May, Wed, 4 04:47:15 GMT+00:00* > Subject: *Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum > > > - Original message - > > Is there another free OSS option out there for a forum? All the others I > >know of require money for commercial use etc. > > About 2 dozen of very valuable projects yes. > > PunBB, SMF and Fudforum pops to my mind, smf being > the most famous, Fudforum being the most feature > full (IMHO). All of then are in GPL or similar, > having better security record, and responsive > upstream authors. Fudforum has a threaded mode. > > PhpBB is what Openstack should never become: > bloatware because of too many not organized > contribs. > > Thomas (from my phone) > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
On May 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Everett Toews wrote: > Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least > interested in trying) the StackExchange style. Add me to that list. -- Ed Leafe Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Creating a forum
Because there is still debate over a forum or a QnA site I will wait to see what the decision is tomorrow before making any demo sites for review. The problem still is that the QnA solves a different issue, it provides a means to answer very specific questions not a realm for discussion. A user forum allows people to ask questions which require discussion and may have various trade offs. Not just "how do I get a list of all running instances using the euca2ools" which would be a great QnA question but questions like "How do I HA my mySQL DB for Nova" a question that will involve discussion, multiple potential answers based on their configuration and have trade offs depending on what they are wanting. There will be no specifically right answer. I think a number of people are failing to fully understand that not everyone is a developer and not everyone has the understanding to ask a very specific and provably solved question, and that not all questions are even specifically solvable but that the discussion around those provides valuable information for the community. A QnA site is basically an evolution of the mailing list which makes it fairly obvious that everyone who loves the ML loves the QnA it is an extension of the same concept but it is to narrow to accept the user community as a whole. For a moment, stop thinking as someone who has experience (possibly in depth developer experience) with OpenStack and think like someone who has heard a little about it, wants to talk to someone about the test install the are attempting to run but doesn't know how to go about it. If we want mass adoption we need to provide a welcome area for this type of discussion. We can develop the best software in the world but if we don't make it easy for people to use and understand and discuss it is useless. We should be doing everything we can to make the community as accepting of new members as possible and I think a forum is very much so one of those methods. I am not even saying that the Qna needs to be exclusive, we can have both if that seems right... I don't know at what point we decided they were mutually exclusive. -Original Message- From: "Vishvananda Ishaya" Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:15am To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp A few people have mentioned the stack exchange style idea. I think this is a fantastic idea; StackOverflow, etc. has been extremely useful to me. Since it is free to host a subdomain on StackExchange if there is enough support, we might as well get the ball rolling in addition. This could replace or be in addition to a forum. Note that this is not any kind of "official" decision to use Stack Exchange, but if we want to leave ourselves the opportunity to use it we need to get it started soon because it will likely take a couple of weeks. I went ahead and proposed it here: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/31788/openstack if this seems like a good idea to you, follow it and create and vote on example questions. It would start as a community site. If there is enough support on the site we can decide (with the ppb) whether we want it to be an "official" channel. Vish ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Add me as well --J On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: > On May 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Everett Toews wrote: > >> Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least >> interested in trying) the StackExchange style. > > > Add me to that list. > > > > -- Ed Leafe > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or > embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the > individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise > expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. > Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is > prohibited. > If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by > e-mail > at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. > Your cooperation is appreciated. > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
East Coast in the US is much better for European attendes like us. An international airport hub should help a lot too. - Diego On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Stephen Spector wrote: > On 5/3/11 8:44 PM, "Devin Carlen" wrote: > > >>There was a lot of talk earlier about Seattle and there seemed to be a >>fair amount of interest. >> >>Devin > > Devin: > > Seattle was discussed but I thought that we should go to the East Coast in > the US as we did the West Coast last week. Several attendees from Europe > liked this idea as it will reduce their travel. Of course, there is no way > to make everyone happy with location so my thinking is to bounce around > various parts of the country/globe as we continue to have these events in > the coming years. > > Stephen Spector > > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Location of packaging branches
On 05/04/2011 06:20 PM, Soren Hansen wrote: > 2011/5/4 Thomas Goirand : >> I've tried to start swift proxy-server without using swift-init. One >> of the reason is that I can't use the embedded LSB messages of it (who >> knows what the LSB messages will be changed for, one day...), and also >> because it really doesn't fit the Debian environment. I think it's ok >> to have a "swift-init" thing (but maybe it would have been worth >> calling it swiftctl rather than init), but I don't think it's a good >> idea to use it for init scripts, which is a configuration file, and >> can be edited by users. So, I tried to run swift-proxy-server using >> start-stop-daemon, but then I have the following message: >> >> root@GPLHost:node3320>_ ~# /etc/init.d/swift-proxy start >> Starting Swift proxy server: swift-proxy-serverUnable to locate config >> for swift-proxy-server >> . >> >> Any idea how to fix? > > I suggest you take this up on the openstack mailing list. What others think about the above? Does swift-init even honor standard return values, so I can give its answer to log_end_msg? I don't think using Python "print" function replaces messages that the distribution can customize. I can see many Unix distributions where it's an issue already (like RedHat with the [ Ok ] style...). So I have here 2 solutions: 1- Silence out any swift-init messages (using a redirection to /dev/null) 2- Not using swift-init at all (why should I, when there's start-stop-daemon that does the job perfectly?), but then I must find out why swift-proxy-server can't find its config file. That would really be my preferred way, since that would shorten my init.d script (that wouldn't need to check for the presence of swift-init, do redirection of outputs, and all sorts of useless tricks). If I choose the later, is: swift-proxy-server /etc/swift/proxy-server.conf the way to do it, or is there some magic parameters that I missed? Thomas ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Me too. I can't stand Launchpad's Answers system and I don't particularly care for forums in general. The StackOverflow style is an easy-to-use alternative. As soon as I can turn LP Answers for Glance off and move to a StackExchange-like system, the better, IMHO. -jay On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jay Payne wrote: > Add me as well > > --J > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: >> On May 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Everett Toews wrote: >> >>> Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least >>> interested in trying) the StackExchange style. >> >> >> Add me to that list. >> >> >> >> -- Ed Leafe >> >> >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or >> embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the >> individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise >> expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. >> Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is >> prohibited. >> If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by >> e-mail >> at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. >> Your cooperation is appreciated. >> >> >> ___ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+1, the extra 6 hours to the west coast after 7 to the east coast was a killer. Not that CA wasn't nice though Colin On 04/05/11 17:05, Diego Parrilla Santamaría wrote: > East Coast in the US is much better for European attendes like us. An > international airport hub should help a lot too. > > - > Diego ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+1, the extra 6 hours to the west coast after 7 to the east coast was a killer. Not that CA wasn't nice though Colin On 04/05/11 17:05, Diego Parrilla Santamaría wrote: > East Coast in the US is much better for European attendes like us. An > international airport hub should help a lot too. > > - > Diego > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [Xen-devel] Building XCP Debian packages: what sources or repo to use?
On 05/04/2011 05:07 PM, Jonathan Ludlam wrote: > A shortlist of modified packages: LVM, biosdevname, dm-multipath, > e2fsprogs, ethtool, open-iscsi, kexec. There are more, but these > are the more important ones. Gosh, I didn't know there was that much things involved, and frankly, I don't understand why you had to modify that many things. It'd be great if there was an effort to have everything upstreamed... > The trouble is that XCP has been developed as an integrated > system rather than an addon set of packages for an existing > operating system. While it's not *far* off from being the > latter, it would take quite a bit of effort both to figure > out all the reason why each RPM has been patched Especially for someone not part of the original team who built it, and with so few information about XCP's internals on the web! > not to mention > all the implicit dependencies that we have on the behaviour of > the underlying OS. We'd then have to figure out on a case-by-case > basis whether the patch was general enough to upstream, and if > not, whether a workaround existed that avoids the need of the > patch, and if not, we'd have to patch the debs. I strongly believe that the above is vital for XCP to continue to exist in the long run. Sooner or later, you'll have a dependency hell trying to upgrade to CentOS 6, or things like that. > I think it could be made to work without *too* much effort so > long as you were willing to sacrifice some bits of functionality. I'm currently only interested in having the needed bits so that Openstack can run with Xen, which I prefer over KVM. I've been told by the people from RackSpace, that Openstack uses XCP for Xen. I'm not interested to run CentOS at all (I'm a Debian Developer and work exclusively with Debian), so my only option was to build the needed things Openstack is using from XCP so that they run in Debian. I'm sure other operating systems would have benefit from this work too. I've added the openstack list to this thread, in the hope that someone will be able to tell which bit from XCP is required by Openstack. If there's not too much work involved, I'll go forward with my initial idea, if not, I regret to say that I'll have to forget about Xen with Openstack (unless using libvirt becomes an OK solution as well). > I would guess that you could get an XCP system up and running on > ubuntu within a couple of weeks or so, but it probably wouldn't > be able to do LVM based storage backends, and I would guess a > fair bit of the more advanced networking bits and pieces would > require more effort. FYI: I'm working on Debian packaging only (eg: not Ubuntu). I'm not sure if Ubuntu guys will restart pulling Xen packages from SID (at some point, Ubuntu dropped Xen support), but as dom0 support from kernel.org, it's likely this will happen (as they will only need the Xen hypervisor package from Debian). So if that happens, and I (with I hope, a bit of your help) do the packaging work to have the needed XCP bits in Debian, then we can reasonably hope to have Openstack to work flawlessly with Xen and xapi, in both Debian and Ubuntu. Hoping to get feedback from both Openstack and Citrix developers, so we can see what can be done, Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Network service: Quantum and Donabe BPs
Hi Ram, My goal with the Quantum blueprints was to break things down into "implementation sized" chunks, so developer teams could individually own them and work on the implementations. For Quantum, were were going to create a couple high-level blueprints to discuss the use cases we plan on using as milestones. During our friday meeting we agreed on an initial set of implementation chunks, and I'm in the process of creating the associated "stub" blueprints on launchpad. The plan is that during the network meeting next tuesday different folks will bite off different blueprints to flush out more detail and start coding. Dan On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: > Blueprints are typically used for specific features, but you can also > have "supertask" blueprints that serve as a way to group related > blueprints together. Each blueprint can have zero or more > dependencies, which allow you to construct dependency graphs. For an > example of this, see here: > > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/drizzle/+spec/replication-message-transform-library > > See the Dependency tree at the bottom. > > Cheers, > jay > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Ram Durairaj (radurair) > wrote: > > Hello All: > > > > > > > > As per our discussions in Design summit, created 4 Blueprint (BP) > > placeholder for Donabe…and also see 6 BPs for Quantum …wondering about > need > > for so many # of BPs… > > > > > > > > Could we just have two BPs one for Quantum and another for Donabe? That > way > > most of the discussions and the subsequent dev may be all inter related > wrt > > one of these BP… > > > > > > > > Sorry, new to this BP/Launchpad process…So not clear on why / how to > > breakdown into Multiple BPs…I see a benefit if its all self contained. > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Ram > > > > ___ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- ~~~ Dan Wendlandt Nicira Networks, Inc. www.nicira.com | www.openvswitch.org Sr. Product Manager cell: 650-906-2650 ~~~ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Creating a forum
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote: > Because there is still debate over a forum or a QnA site I will wait to see > what the decision is tomorrow before making any demo sites for review. The > problem still is that the QnA solves a different issue, it provides a means > to answer very specific questions not a realm for discussion. A user forum > allows people to ask questions which require discussion and may have various > trade offs. Not just "how do I get a list of all running instances using the > euca2ools" which would be a great QnA question but questions like "How do I > HA my mySQL DB for Nova" a question that will involve discussion, multiple > potential answers based on their configuration and have trade offs depending > on what they are wanting. There will be no specifically right answer. I > think a number of people are failing to fully understand that not everyone > is a developer and not everyone has the understanding to ask a very specific > and provably solved question, and that not all questions are even > specifically solvable but that the discussion around those provides valuable > information for the community. > Agreed, QnA sites are not designed for discussion just as forums are not designed for QnA. There's actually a pretty succinct answer about it at http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/36818/would-you-recommend-stack-exchange-sites-vs-other-types-of-forum > A QnA site is basically an evolution of the mailing list which makes it > fairly obvious that everyone who loves the ML loves the QnA it is an > extension of the same concept but it is to narrow to accept the user > community as a whole. > IMO forums are an evolution of MLs and QnA are a different concept but what have you. > For a moment, stop thinking as someone who has experience (possibly in > depth developer experience) with OpenStack and think like someone who has > heard a little about it, wants to talk to someone about the test install the > are attempting to run but doesn't know how to go about it. If we want mass > adoption we need to provide a welcome area for this type of discussion. We > can develop the best software in the world but if we don't make it easy for > people to use and understand and discuss it is useless. We should be doing > everything we can to make the community as accepting of new members as > possible and I think a forum is very much so one of those methods. > > I am not even saying that the Qna needs to be exclusive, we can have both > if that seems right... I don't know at what point we decided they were > mutually exclusive. > No such thing was ever decided. My point was simply that if we're evaluating solutions then StackExchange-style sites shouldn't be disregarded. If the community decided that both or one or the other is appropriate then that's what we'll go with. Obviously I prefer the QnA style, I've never found the forum style helpful even when I'm a n00b on a subject (that's not even necessarily software development related). Everett > > > -Original Message- > From: "Vishvananda Ishaya" > Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:15am > To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > A few people have mentioned the stack exchange style idea. I think this is > a fantastic idea; StackOverflow, etc. has been extremely useful to me. Since > it is free to host a subdomain on StackExchange if there is enough support, > we might as well get the ball rolling in addition. This could replace or be > in addition to a forum. > > Note that this is not any kind of "official" decision to use Stack > Exchange, but if we want to leave ourselves the opportunity to use it we > need to get it started soon because it will likely take a couple of weeks. > I went ahead and proposed it here: > > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/31788/openstack > > if this seems like a good idea to you, follow it and create and vote on > example questions. It would start as a community site. If there is enough > support on the site we can decide (with the ppb) whether we want it to be an > "official" channel. > > Vish > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Comments below On May 4, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote: > Because there is still debate over a forum or a QnA site I will wait to see > what the decision is tomorrow before making any demo sites for review. The > problem still is that the QnA solves a different issue, it provides a means > to answer very specific questions not a realm for discussion. A user forum > allows people to ask questions which require discussion and may have various > trade offs. Not just "how do I get a list of all running instances using the > euca2ools" which would be a great QnA question but questions like "How do I > HA my mySQL DB for Nova" a question that will involve discussion, multiple > potential answers based on their configuration and have trade offs depending > on what they are wanting. There will be no specifically right answer. I think > a number of people are failing to fully understand that not everyone is a > developer and not everyone has the understanding to ask a very specific and > provably solved question, and that not all questions are even specifically > solvable but that the discussion around those provides valuable information > for the community. As an avid user of QnA sites, I think they actually solve general questions very well. Examples: http://serverfault.com/questions/3780/useful-command-line-commands-on-windows http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14967/c-coding-standard-best-practices It still allows for discussions (see the back and forth in comments on posts), but still allows good responses to rise to the top. I find this far easier than scrolling through 10+ pages of discussion to find relevant issues. Administrators can convert popular questions into "community wiki" and allow them to be collaboratively edited more easily. > > A QnA site is basically an evolution of the mailing list which makes it > fairly obvious that everyone who loves the ML loves the QnA it is an > extension of the same concept but it is to narrow to accept the user > community as a whole. I don't think this is accurate. The mailing list forces people to search inefficiently for answers just like a forum. QnA would be more of a replacement for the Answers section on launchpad. > > For a moment, stop thinking as someone who has experience (possibly in depth > developer experience) with OpenStack and think like someone who has heard a > little about it, wants to talk to someone about the test install the are > attempting to run but doesn't know how to go about it. If we want mass > adoption we need to provide a welcome area for this type of discussion. We > can develop the best software in the world but if we don't make it easy for > people to use and understand and discuss it is useless. We should be doing > everything we can to make the community as accepting of new members as > possible and I think a forum is very much so one of those methods. This is the real value of a forum, the feeling of community that it provides. The common memes that are shared by forum members and the semi-off-topic back and forth is fantastic. Forums are great for these things, but for actual access to information, QnA sites basically win. Having a forum for community building is fine, but if our goal is really solving user's problems, I think we definitely need a good QnA site. > > I am not even saying that the Qna needs to be exclusive, we can have both if > that seems right... I don't know at what point we decided they were mutually > exclusive. Both seems fine to me, I only worry that we will have too many places that people are asking questions and not enough people answering them. > > > -Original Message- > From: "Vishvananda Ishaya" > Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:15am > To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > A few people have mentioned the stack exchange style idea. I think this is a > fantastic idea; StackOverflow, etc. has been extremely useful to me. Since it > is free to host a subdomain on StackExchange if there is enough support, we > might as well get the ball rolling in addition. This could replace or be in > addition to a forum. > > Note that this is not any kind of "official" decision to use Stack Exchange, > but if we want to leave ourselves the opportunity to use it we need to get it > started soon because it will likely take a couple of weeks. I went ahead and > proposed it here: > > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/31788/openstack > > if this seems like a good idea to you, follow it and create and vote on > example questions. It would start as a community site. If there is enough > support on the site we can decide (with the pp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+1 I think the East Coast could use some OpenStack love. Cheers, Soo On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Colin Nicholson wrote: > +1, the extra 6 hours to the west coast after 7 to the east coast was a > killer. Not that CA wasn't nice though > > > Colin > > > > On 04/05/11 17:05, Diego Parrilla Santamaría wrote: > > East Coast in the US is much better for European attendes like us. An > > international airport hub should help a lot too. > > > > - > > Diego > > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Soo Choi, Co-Founder Anso Labs, LLC www.ansolabs.com 1136 Guerrero Street, Suite C San Francisco, CA 94110 (m) 703.981.0673 skype: soosiechoinasa twitter: soochoitweets ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Creating a forum
On May 4, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Everett Toews wrote: > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote: > Because there is still debate over a forum or a QnA site I will wait to see > what the decision is tomorrow before making any demo sites for review. The > problem still is that the QnA solves a different issue, it provides a means > to answer very specific questions not a realm for discussion. A user forum > allows people to ask questions which require discussion and may have various > trade offs. Not just "how do I get a list of all running instances using the > euca2ools" which would be a great QnA question but questions like "How do I > HA my mySQL DB for Nova" a question that will involve discussion, multiple > potential answers based on their configuration and have trade offs depending > on what they are wanting. There will be no specifically right answer. I think > a number of people are failing to fully understand that not everyone is a > developer and not everyone has the understanding to ask a very specific and > provably solved question, and that not all questions are even specifically > solvable but that the discussion around those provides valuable information > for the community. > > Agreed, QnA sites are not designed for discussion just as forums are not > designed for QnA. There's actually a pretty succinct answer about it at > http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/36818/would-you-recommend-stack-exchange-sites-vs-other-types-of-forum On Area 51 they use the QnA format to do discussions. If you click "create new discussion" on a proposal, it's equivalent to asking a question on a Stack Exchange site. Here's an example discussion question from the computational science Area 51 proposal: http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/320/shall-we-unite-computational-science-proposals Lorin -- Lorin Hochstein, Computer Scientist USC Information Sciences Institute 703.812.3710 http://www.east.isi.edu/~lorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
I guess I am the target audience for this question. I am a system admin although I do some programming my primary job it to keep things running and to build out new hardware. I started looking at using open stack a month or so ago as VMware isn't open source and I am looking to move off that platform. I can tell you the process of even testing openstack is extremely hard why? Because there is a lot of disjointed information with a lot of blue prints in the wiki but no easy way to tell what is and isn't yet ready. There is limited install instructions unless you want to install on your laptop and if you get into trouble doing the setup the only real option I have it IRC. Example: I had a question about openstack compute I asked a question in the mail list and was told this wasn't to correct place I should use answers with a link to answers were I spent an hours on lanchpad even tiring to figure out were to even ask my question. I gave up and ask my question in IRC. It took 2 or 3 times asking the question before someone replied. Most people would have ditched this project long ago but I see great potential out of this project. In the end I moved this project to not viable at this time waiting for it to mature in to a usable project. Will adding a forum be a magic bullet no. Will it add a place that is easy to use and find information for non developers bring this project closer to being usable by people like me likely. Could it turn out to be a waste of resources that no one ever uses possibly. Thanks Robert On 05/04/2011 12:21 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > Me too. I can't stand Launchpad's Answers system and I don't > particularly care for forums in general. The StackOverflow style is an > easy-to-use alternative. > > As soon as I can turn LP Answers for Glance off and move to a > StackExchange-like system, the better, IMHO. > > -jay > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jay Payne wrote: >> Add me as well >> >> --J >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: >>> On May 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Everett Toews wrote: >>> Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least interested in trying) the StackExchange style. >>> >>> >>>Add me to that list. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Ed Leafe >>> >>> >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or >>> embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of >>> the >>> individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless >>> otherwise >>> expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of >>> Rackspace. >>> Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is >>> prohibited. >>> If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by >>> e-mail >>> at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. >>> Your cooperation is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> ___ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
New York, Boston... how about Toronto? I agree that if it is in the US, it should be east-coast. Keep in mind, too, that October in any of these places will be fairly cold. Maybe we should think of a southern location? In regard to Asia, how about Singapore? English-speaking centrally located between Europe, Asia, and Australia / New Zealand, and not really any more expensive than Korea or Japan in terms of travel from the US. Oh, and being on the equator, the weather will be warm! -- Eric Windisch ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
I hope to find a service that lives at the triple point between forum, email list, and NNTP. Same content, same sequence, same archives, accessible via whichever medium you prefer. Lyris once had such a product but they've taken their service down a different road. (Today's Internet forums always remind me of a dialup BBS, though with prettier skins to absorb their higher bandwidth connectivity.) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
So it sounds like the better path would be to just keep two channels for now, see how that goes, and then maybe revisit splitting out by project if it comes to that in the future? #openstack - Help and Support #openstack-dev - All Openstack Development Anyone should be able to participate in any channel, so if someone wanted to learn by osmosis, they could still join the dev channel. I just think there's quite a bit of repetition in the main #openstack channel from users setting up Openstack and that by separating the channels, it might be easier to parse depending on what project is being worked. The Swift guys still might be overwhelmed a bit from all the Nova talk. -Ant On 5/4/11 1:29 AM, "Christian Berendt" wrote: >> Can't we just have a #openstack-dev to cover them all ? > >+1 >= Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
Sounds reasonable. -- Sent from my Tandy 1000sx Jesse Andrews anotherje...@gmail.com On May 4, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Ant Messerli wrote: > So it sounds like the better path would be to just keep two channels for > now, see how that goes, and then maybe revisit splitting out by project if > it comes to that in the future? > > #openstack - Help and Support > #openstack-dev - All Openstack Development > > Anyone should be able to participate in any channel, so if someone wanted > to learn by osmosis, they could still join the dev channel. I just think > there's quite a bit of repetition in the main #openstack channel from > users setting up Openstack and that by separating the channels, it might > be easier to parse depending on what project is being worked. The Swift > guys still might be overwhelmed a bit from all the Nova talk. > > > -Ant > > > On 5/4/11 1:29 AM, "Christian Berendt" wrote: > >>> Can't we just have a #openstack-dev to cover them all ? >> >> +1 >> = > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or > embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the > individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise > expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. > Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is > prohibited. > If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by > e-mail > at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. > Your cooperation is appreciated. > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
I like this approach. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Ant Messerli wrote: > So it sounds like the better path would be to just keep two channels for > now, see how that goes, and then maybe revisit splitting out by project if > it comes to that in the future? > > #openstack - Help and Support > #openstack-dev - All Openstack Development > > Anyone should be able to participate in any channel, so if someone wanted > to learn by osmosis, they could still join the dev channel. I just think > there's quite a bit of repetition in the main #openstack channel from > users setting up Openstack and that by separating the channels, it might > be easier to parse depending on what project is being worked. The Swift > guys still might be overwhelmed a bit from all the Nova talk. > > > -Ant > > > On 5/4/11 1:29 AM, "Christian Berendt" wrote: > > >> Can't we just have a #openstack-dev to cover them all ? > > > >+1 > >= > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or > embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of > the > individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless > otherwise > expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of > Rackspace. > Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is > prohibited. > If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by > e-mail > at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. > Your cooperation is appreciated. > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+1 for New York (since that would be less travel for me) I'd be more than happy to help do some org groundwork if it was in the city. For southern choices, Miami has a decent sized airport, and October should be shoulder-season. Also there's Atlanta (mega-huge airport), but it won't really be any warmer than New York in October. However, whatever the choice is, I'd like to say: PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT MAKE ME GO TO ORLANDO FOR ANOTHER CONFERENCE. kthxbye Monty On 05/04/2011 10:54 AM, Eric Windisch wrote: > New York, Boston... how about Toronto? I agree that if it is in the US, > it should be east-coast. Keep in mind, too, that October in any of > these places will be fairly cold. Maybe we should think of a southern > location? > > In regard to Asia, how about Singapore? English-speaking centrally > located between Europe, Asia, and Australia / New Zealand, and not > really any more expensive than Korea or Japan in terms of travel from > the US. Oh, and being on the equator, the weather will be warm! > > -- > Eric Windisch > > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
Yup, seems to work for Django. From: Josh Kearney [j...@jk0.org] I like this approach. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Ant Messerli mailto:amess...@rackspace.com>> wrote: So it sounds like the better path would be to just keep two channels for now, see how that goes, and then maybe revisit splitting out by project if it comes to that in the future? #openstack - Help and Support #openstack-dev - All Openstack Development ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CEMQtwIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddl9kp2Pu6qs&ei=46TBTaHmHcPjiALx3cmtAw&usg=AFQjCNHBUlq_XwbLgm--C-euGXLVTSxBAQ I don't care who you are, that 'tag line' is funny! Duane E. Green Cell (636)633-1480 duane_gree...@hotmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/enterprisearchitect > -- Sent from my Tandy 1000sx > > Jesse Andrews > anotherje...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Creating a forum
Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: > A few people have mentioned the stack exchange style idea. I think this > is a fantastic idea; StackOverflow, etc. has been extremely useful to > me. Since it is free to host a subdomain on StackExchange if there is > enough support, we might as well get the ball rolling in addition. This > could replace or be in addition to a forum. It's usually very difficult to convince StackExchange that you can't fit in their "software-agnostic" sites like ServerFault and that you need a "software-specific" one like askubuntu.com. Ubuntu barely managed to convince them, thanks to to massive community involvement... But I guess that's worth a try :) We can always fall back to OSQA if need be. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) Release Manager, OpenStack ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+1 Orlando is where people go to die ... but don't. > PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT MAKE ME GO TO ORLANDO > FOR ANOTHER CONFERENCE. kthxbye > > Monty Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Creating a forum
On May 4, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: >> A few people have mentioned the stack exchange style idea. I think this >> is a fantastic idea; StackOverflow, etc. has been extremely useful to >> me. Since it is free to host a subdomain on StackExchange if there is >> enough support, we might as well get the ball rolling in addition. This >> could replace or be in addition to a forum. > > It's usually very difficult to convince StackExchange that you can't fit > in their "software-agnostic" sites like ServerFault and that you need a > "software-specific" one like askubuntu.com. Ubuntu barely managed to > convince them, thanks to to massive community involvement... > > But I guess that's worth a try :) We can always fall back to OSQA if > need be. > We could also try just using an "openstack" tag on the ServerFault site. All we need is somebody with enough Server Fault rep to create the new tag. Lorin -- Lorin Hochstein, Computer Scientist USC Information Sciences Institute 703.812.3710 http://www.east.isi.edu/~lorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+1 to NYC for me, and I completely agree with Orlando -= 100 On 5/4/11 3:05 PM, "Sandy Walsh" wrote: >+1 > >Orlando is where people go to die ... but don't. > > >> PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT MAKE ME GO TO ORLANDO >> FOR ANOTHER CONFERENCE. kthxbye >> >> Monty > > > >Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or >embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of >the >individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless >otherwise >expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of >Rackspace. >Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is >prohibited. >If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately >by e-mail >at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. >Your cooperation is appreciated. > > >___ >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Creating a forum
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: > > > We could also try just using an "openstack" tag on the ServerFault site. > All we need is somebody with enough Server Fault rep to create the new tag. > -1 IMO not an ideal solution. The OpenStack questions would get lost in the noise of ServerFault. Newcomers would be totally confused. I agree with Thierry, "...fall back to OSQA if need be." Everett ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Openstack] [GLANCE] Diablo milestones and release cycle
Hey all! Thanks for a great design summit last week. Just wanted to send a quick note about what is planned for Glance in Diablo. We got a ton of work done in Cactus to achieve better integration with Nova, and we're excited to add more features and stability to Glance for the Diablo series. Glance will essentially be following the Nova release cycle with one additional freeze milestone that will be used for focusing on adding functional and integration tests. I have created the Glance Diablo series and the milestones we will be targeting. You can see an overview of the release series here: https://launchpad.net/glance/diablo The D1 through D4 milestones are feature releases and so have feature blueprints targeted for each milestone. We are still completing design specs for some things, and the D3 and D4 milestones are still being "filled out", however these are the dates we will release our milestone releases: Glance diablo-1 "D1"2011-06-02 We are concentrating on improving the Glance API for D1 in the following ways: * Add versioning to the Glance API * Add filters and results paging/limits Glance diablo-2 "D2"2011-06-30 D2 will be all about finalizing integration with the Keystone authentication project and adding: * Image ownership * Shared images Glance diablo-3 "D3"2011-07-28 Glance diablo-4 "D4"2011-08-25 Expect to see some mailing list posts detailing proposals for changes to the Glance API in the next few days as we outline the features we will work on in D1 and D2. If you're interested in becoming a Glance contributor, please don't hesitate to join us on IRC freenode.net #openstack. Or email me if you prefer. We'd be happy to welcome you to our contributor community! Cheers all, jay ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
How will the final decision be made? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Separation of IRC Channels
2011/5/4 Michael Shuler : > On 05/04/2011 08:28 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: >> 2011/5/4 Michael Shuler : >>> Additionally, there [are] zero readability reasons to move to multiple >>> channels at this time. At no time since its inception (and sadly quite >>> the opposite during the summit...) >> The whole point of a summit is to take typing speed out of the >> equation and have discussions in person rather than over IRC. Little >> or no traffic in development channels is expected. > For the people actually there, yeah.. ;) > > As I have suggested for prior summits, planning for some remote > attendance would be very nice for including those that cannot travel for > whatever reason. No doubt we should have better remote participation options, but until we do, I'm not sure what you expect? It would be rather silly to fly all of us into a hotel (some of us have traveled a remarkably high percentage of the Earth's circumference to get there) only to have us communicate over IRC instead of talking to each other. Summits are, by design, quiet time on IRC. >>> When it gets closer to #linux in volume, >>> someone will quietly suggest a conversation move to -swift or some such, >>> and it will just happen organically. >> Isn't that what's happening here, now? > Sort of - I was replying mainly to the suggestion of splitting off a > -dev channel. Ant's suggestion of -nova, -swift, etc. is along the > right lines of separation (don't split users/devs), however, I still > think this is kind of premature. My point is that I have no problems > reading every line of the channel - y'all think the volume really that > prolific? I don't think anyone is arguing it's as high volume as #linux. It's just that 95% of it is noise for some people. Having to actually read that much noise to find the signal absolutely sucks. > (I read the list - please, reply to the *list*) Are you familiar with the Follow-Up-To header? I have no clue if GMail honours it, but some other mail clients certainly do. -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
>> Andrew: >> >> How will the final decision be made? Right now, I am working with the Rackspace events team to look for event facilities that can meet our requirements in terms of physical space, number of rooms, budget, availability on dates we need, etc. I am focusing on the East Coast of the US including Canada with an emphasis on Boston but we are also considering NYC, Montreal, Atlanta, etc. Don't worry Orlando will not be considered; I have done enough events there while at Citrix to last a lifetime. Once I get a few options that meet our needs I will present the information to the community for feedback and then a final recommendation will be made by myself to ?. I believe that ? at this time is Jim Curry and the Project Policy Board although I am not sure the PBB should be the final decision maker; however this is an open area for the community to discuss. Of course, as of today, Rackspace is still funding more than 70% of the total costs for these events thus the importance of getting Rackspace's thoughts on the location. As usual, I am open to other ideas and processes. My goal is to be completely open with the planning of this event as I was last time so everyone can see costs, schedules, etc. Thanks, Stephen Spector Community Manager, OpenStack ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
Thanks That all makes sense. Any of those options are going to start to be cold in Oct. I reject the idea that Boston is a tech hub like Silicon Valley, but that's because I reject the idea that anywhere is like 'the valley'. I'd also like to up vote Toronto. Thanks again for keeping us in the loop. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Stephen Spector < stephen.spec...@openstack.org> wrote: > >> Andrew: > >> > >> How will the final decision be made? > > Right now, I am working with the Rackspace events team to look for event > facilities that can meet our requirements in terms of physical space, number > of rooms, budget, availability on dates we need, etc. I am focusing on the > East Coast of the US including Canada with an emphasis on Boston but we are > also considering NYC, Montreal, Atlanta, etc. Don't worry – Orlando will not > be considered; I have done enough events there while at Citrix to last a > lifetime. > > Once I get a few options that meet our needs I will present the information > to the community for feedback and then a final recommendation will be made > by myself to ?. I believe that ? at this time is Jim Curry and the Project > Policy Board although I am not sure the PBB should be the final decision > maker; however this is an open area for the community to discuss. Of course, > as of today, Rackspace is still funding more than 70% of the total costs for > these events thus the importance of getting Rackspace's thoughts on the > location. > > As usual, I am open to other ideas and processes. My goal is to be > completely open with the planning of this event as I was last time so > everyone can see costs, schedules, etc. > > Thanks, > > Stephen Spector > Community Manager, OpenStack > > > > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Openstack] REST API for Volume Management
Hello, Does OpenStack have REST API's for volume management ? If so, can somebody point me to the url ? Thanks, Sheshadri ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+1 for Toronto, eventually! Wayne From: Andrew Shafer Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:58:50 -0400 To: Stephen Spector Cc: "openstack@lists.launchpad.net" Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Discussion on October Design Summit Locations Thanks That all makes sense. Any of those options are going to start to be cold in Oct. I reject the idea that Boston is a tech hub like Silicon Valley, but that's because I reject the idea that anywhere is like 'the valley'. I'd also like to up vote Toronto. Thanks again for keeping us in the loop. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Stephen Spector wrote: >>> >> Andrew: >>> >> >>> >> How will the final decision be made? > > Right now, I am working with the Rackspace events team to look for event > facilities that can meet our requirements in terms of physical space, number > of rooms, budget, availability on dates we need, etc. I am focusing on the > East Coast of the US including Canada with an emphasis on Boston but we are > also considering NYC, Montreal, Atlanta, etc. Don't worry Orlando will not > be considered; I have done enough events there while at Citrix to last a > lifetime. > > Once I get a few options that meet our needs I will present the information to > the community for feedback and then a final recommendation will be made by > myself to ?. I believe that ? at this time is Jim Curry and the Project Policy > Board although I am not sure the PBB should be the final decision maker; > however this is an open area for the community to discuss. Of course, as of > today, Rackspace is still funding more than 70% of the total costs for these > events thus the importance of getting Rackspace's thoughts on the location. > > As usual, I am open to other ideas and processes. My goal is to be completely > open with the planning of this event as I was last time so everyone can see > costs, schedules, etc. > > Thanks, > > Stephen Spector > Community Manager, OpenStack > > > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
We should also consider the DC area. There are advantages for folks that depend on federal funding. Plus, there are also strategic advantages for OpenStack to try to better engage U.S. federal agencies to promote this standard as the open cloud standard. I'd be happy to help with leg work. Brian Brian Schott, CTO Nimbis Services, Inc. brian.sch...@nimbisservices.com On May 4, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Stephen Spector wrote: > >> Andrew: > >> > >> How will the final decision be made? > > Right now, I am working with the Rackspace events team to look for event > facilities that can meet our requirements in terms of physical space, number > of rooms, budget, availability on dates we need, etc. I am focusing on the > East Coast of the US including Canada with an emphasis on Boston but we are > also considering NYC, Montreal, Atlanta, etc. Don't worry – Orlando will not > be considered; I have done enough events there while at Citrix to last a > lifetime. > > Once I get a few options that meet our needs I will present the information > to the community for feedback and then a final recommendation will be made by > myself to ?. I believe that ? at this time is Jim Curry and the Project > Policy Board although I am not sure the PBB should be the final decision > maker; however this is an open area for the community to discuss. Of course, > as of today, Rackspace is still funding more than 70% of the total costs for > these events thus the importance of getting Rackspace's thoughts on the > location. > > As usual, I am open to other ideas and processes. My goal is to be completely > open with the planning of this event as I was last time so everyone can see > costs, schedules, etc. > > Thanks, > > Stephen Spector > Community Manager, OpenStack > > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
On May 4, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Brian Schott wrote: > We should also consider the DC area. There are advantages for folks that > depend on federal funding. Plus, there are also strategic advantages for > OpenStack to try to better engage U.S. federal agencies to promote this > standard as the open cloud standard. I'd be happy to help with leg work. Several of the first few PyCons were in DC, back when there were only 300 people or so attending. We had them in a building at George Washington University that had a few lecture hall-type rooms, as well as regular meeting rooms. The one downside is that there are no large hotels in the immediate area; most require a 3-4 block walk to the campus. -- Ed Leafe ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
- Original message - > In regard to Asia, how about Singapore? English-speaking centrally > located between Europe, Asia, and Australia / New Zealand, and not > really any more expensive than Korea or Japan in terms of travel from > the US. Oh, and being on the equator, the weather will be warm! If you guys wana go in Asia, I'm pretty sure I can get support from the Shanghai government to sponsor such an event. There's plenty of space in KIC (the Knowledge Information Center in Yangpu district, north of Shanghai, where there is Oracle, Baidu and so on...). Thomas ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [Openstack-operators] Openstack failing to find repository over XCP
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Leandro Reox wrote:
> Here is the SMlog content, and after im attaching the complete Python stack
> trace of the failing operation :
>
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> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.173426 SUCCESS
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> /var/lock/sm/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/sr
> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.191170 vdi_create {'sr_uuid':
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> ''], 'host_ref': 'OpaqueRef:9e1c-b5c2-456c-ce42-d5de48c2c72f',
> 'session_ref': 'OpaqueRef:4684ee37-2dbf-2918-0e8e-604eb2d57756',
> 'device_config': {'SRmaster': 'true', 'serverpath': '/vol/xcp', 'server':
> '172.16.129.11'}, 'command': 'vdi_create', 'sr_ref':
> 'OpaqueRef:625b2d6a-de22-047d-8d1d-4217d301c7fd', 'vdi_sm_config':
> {'vmhint': '8141c6e2-ba99-4378-4648-12a8c880a74c'}}
> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.191715 ['/usr/sbin/td-util', 'create', 'vhd',
> '5120',
> '/var/run/sr-mount/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/bfc16f29-fcae-4526-a33c-01a4b08e9e12.vhd']
> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.223136 SUCCESS
> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.223258 ['/usr/sbin/td-util', 'query', 'vhd',
> '-v',
> '/var/run/sr-mount/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/bfc16f29-fcae-4526-a33c-01a4b08e9e12.vhd']
> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.233492 SUCCESS
> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.288800 lock: released
> /var/lock/sm/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/sr
> [21522] 2011-05-02 11:05:23.292891 lock: closed
> /var/lock/sm/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/sr
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.255700 ['uuidgen', '-r']
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.263973 SUCCESS
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.272166 lock: acquired
> /var/lock/sm/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/sr
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.274116 vdi_create {'sr_uuid':
> 'f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2', 'subtask_of':
> 'OpaqueRef:2aa5b7f3-2422-7a6a-d60c-f733b5b4e536', 'args': ['8589934592',
> ''], 'host_ref': 'OpaqueRef:9e1c-b5c2-456c-ce42-d5de48c2c72f',
> 'session_ref': 'OpaqueRef:c5f26499-7a8e-084c-ad7f-6f0a182f5dae',
> 'device_config': {'SRmaster': 'true', 'serverpath': '/vol/xcp', 'server':
> '172.16.129.11'}, 'command': 'vdi_create', 'sr_ref':
> 'OpaqueRef:625b2d6a-de22-047d-8d1d-4217d301c7fd', 'vdi_sm_config':
> {'vmhint': '2a743cb5-9896-f76d-25ad-b779a0f7cee6'}}
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.275393 ['/usr/sbin/td-util', 'create', 'vhd',
> '8192',
> '/var/run/sr-mount/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/cc22b2ac-519e-4548-bbaf-69d6a1e778ac.vhd']
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.290521 SUCCESS
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.290643 ['/usr/sbin/td-util', 'query', 'vhd',
> '-v',
> '/var/run/sr-mount/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/cc22b2ac-519e-4548-bbaf-69d6a1e778ac.vhd']
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.302298 SUCCESS
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.358807 lock: released
> /var/lock/sm/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/sr
> [21897] 2011-05-02 11:11:31.362893 lock: closed
> /var/lock/sm/f6c3ee92-1ee8-9250-6288-bfd82b18eaa2/sr
>
> Python stack trace from nova-compute :
>
>
> 2011-05-04 16:34:41,333 DEBUG nova.rpc [-] received {u'_context_request_id':
> u'C-FY1X8L8OPHHY4TPZE6', u'_context_read_deleted': False, u'args':
> {u'instance_id': 8, u'injected_files': None, u'availability_zone': None},
> u'_context_is_admin': True, u'_context_timestamp': u'2011-05-04T20:34:36Z',
> u'_context_user': u'admin', u'method': u'run_instance', u'_context_project':
> u'melicloud', u'_context_remote_address': u'172.16.133.241'} from (pid=3796)
> _receive /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/nova/rpc.py:177
> 2011-05-04 16:34:41,334 DEBUG nova.rpc [-] unpacked context: {'timestamp':
> u'2011-05-04T20:34:36Z', 'remote_address': u'172.16.133.241', 'project':
> u'melicloud', 'is_admin': True, 'user': u'admin', 'request_id':
> u'C-FY1X8L8OPHHY4TPZE6', 'read_deleted': False} from (pid=3796)
> _unpack_context /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/nova/rpc.py:350
> 2011-05-04 16:34:44,182 AUDIT nova.compute.manager [C-FY1X8L8OPHHY4TPZE6
> admin melicloud] instance 8: starting...
> 2011-05-04 16:34:44,411 DEBUG nova.rpc [-] Making asynchronous call on
> network.novacontroller ... from (pid=3796) call
> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/nova/rpc.py:370
> 2011-05-04 16:34:44,411 DEBUG nova.rpc [-] MSG_ID is
> f11a7286824542449e0f9c9a790c418d from (pid=3796) call
> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/nova/rpc.py:373
> 2011-05-04 16:34:44,973 DEBUG nova.virt.xenapi.vm_utils [-] Detected
> DISK_RAW format for image 4, instance 8 from (pid=3796) log_disk_format
> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/nova/virt/xenapi/vm_utils.py:494
This is the first line there is an error:
> 2011-05-04 16:34:45,566 ERROR nova.compute.manager [C-FY1X8L8OPHHY4TPZE6
> admin melicloud] Instance '8' failed to spawn. Is virtualization enabled in
> the BIOS?
I wonder if that ^ is the problem?
If not, maybe the stack trace below will be better read by the openstack devs.
> (nova.compute.ma
Re: [Openstack] [SPAM] Re: Discussion on October Design Summit Locations
+9 for the DC area (there are 9 of us ISI-ers in the DC area working on OpenStack-related stuff). For an example venue: this year's IEEE Cloud conference is being held at the Washington Marriott in downtown DC: http://www.thecloudcomputing.org/2011/hotel.html Lorin -- Lorin Hochstein, Computer Scientist USC Information Sciences Institute 703.812.3710 http://www.east.isi.edu/~lorin On May 4, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Brian Schott wrote: > We should also consider the DC area. There are advantages for folks that > depend on federal funding. Plus, there are also strategic advantages for > OpenStack to try to better engage U.S. federal agencies to promote this > standard as the open cloud standard. I'd be happy to help with leg work. > > Brian > > Brian Schott, CTO > Nimbis Services, Inc. > brian.sch...@nimbisservices.com > > > > > > On May 4, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Stephen Spector wrote: > Andrew: How will the final decision be made? >> >> Right now, I am working with the Rackspace events team to look for event >> facilities that can meet our requirements in terms of physical space, number >> of rooms, budget, availability on dates we need, etc. I am focusing on the >> East Coast of the US including Canada with an emphasis on Boston but we are >> also considering NYC, Montreal, Atlanta, etc. Don't worry – Orlando will not >> be considered; I have done enough events there while at Citrix to last a >> lifetime. >> >> Once I get a few options that meet our needs I will present the information >> to the community for feedback and then a final recommendation will be made >> by myself to ?. I believe that ? at this time is Jim Curry and the Project >> Policy Board although I am not sure the PBB should be the final decision >> maker; however this is an open area for the community to discuss. Of course, >> as of today, Rackspace is still funding more than 70% of the total costs for >> these events thus the importance of getting Rackspace's thoughts on the >> location. >> >> As usual, I am open to other ideas and processes. My goal is to be >> completely open with the planning of this event as I was last time so >> everyone can see costs, schedules, etc. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stephen Spector >> Community Manager, OpenStack >> >> >> >> ___ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Openstack] help, why i can not open launchpad.net behind a proxy. thank you so much!
Hi,
I want to install nova on ubuntu 10.10, but after the follow step, there are
errors(by the way, the python version is 2.6):
root@ubuntu:/home/robin/code/nova-2011.2# !288
python setup.py build
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/virt/vmwareapi/vm_util.py : invalid syntax
(vm_util.py, line 2)
ERROR: Python module win32console not found
ERROR: Python module pywintypes not found
ERROR: Python module win32console not found
ERROR: Python module utils not found
ERROR: Python module boto_v6.ec2.connection not found
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/virt/vmwareapi/fake.py : invalid syntax
(fake.py, line 2)
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/tests/vmwareapi/db_fakes.py : invalid syntax
(db_fakes.py, line 2)
ERROR: Python module boto_v6.ec2.instance not found
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/virt/vmwareapi_conn.py : invalid syntax
(vmwareapi_conn.py, line 2)
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/tests/vmwareapi/stubs.py : invalid syntax
(stubs.py, line 2)
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/virt/vmwareapi/vim.py : invalid syntax
(vim.py, line 2)
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/virt/vmwareapi/vmops.py : invalid syntax
(vmops.py, line 2)
ERROR: Python module Cheetah.Template not found
WARNING: syntax errors in
plugins/xenserver/networking/etc/xensource/scripts/vif_rules.py : invalid
syntax (vif_rules.py, line 55)
ERROR: Python module XenAPIPlugin not found
ERROR: Python module pluginlib_nova not found
ERROR: Python module XenAPIPlugin not found
ERROR: Python module pluginlib_nova not found
ERROR: Python module xenstore not found
ERROR: Python module utils not found
WARNING: syntax errors in nova/virt/vmwareapi/io_util.py : invalid syntax
(io_util.py, line 2)
ERROR: Python module sphinx.setup_command not found
ERROR: Python module babel.messages not found
ERROR: Python module XenAPIPlugin not found
ERROR: Python module pluginlib_nova not found
/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/DistUtilsExtra/auto.py:317:
DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module
instead
path = __import__(module).__file__
ERROR: Python module XenAPIPlugin not found
ERROR: Python module pluginlib_nova not found
ERROR: Python module Cheetah not found
/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/versi
oning/unique_instance.py:19: DeprecationWarning: object.__new__() takes no
parameters
instances[key] = super(UniqueInstance,cls).__new__(cls,*p,**k)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "setup.py", line 131, in
'tools/nova-debug'])
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/DistUtilsExtra/auto.py", line 95,
in setup
__requires(attrs, src_all)
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/DistUtilsExtra/auto.py", line 392,
in __requires
__add_imports(imports, s, attrs)
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/DistUtilsExtra/auto.py", line 341,
in __add_imports
if __external_mod(node.module, attrs):
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/DistUtilsExtra/auto.py", line 317,
in __external_mod
path = __import__(module).__file__
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/shell.py", line 6, in
from migrate.versioning import api,exceptions
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/api.py", line 5, in
from migrate.versioning.repository import *
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/repository.py", line 8, in
from migrate.versioning import script,exceptions,version
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/script/__init__.py", line 1, in
from py import *
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/script/py.py", line 2, in
from logsql import LogsqlFile
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/script/logsql.py", line 2, in
from migrate.versioning import logengine
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/logengine.py", line 260, in
LogEngineStrategy()
File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/migrate-0.2.2-py2.6.egg/migrate/vers
ioning/logengine.py", line 253, in __init__
super(LogEngineStrategy,self).__init__('logsql')
TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
root@ubuntu:/home/robin/code/nova-2011.2#
root@ubuntu:/home/robin/code/nova-2011.2#
I use firefox to visit the URL:”
https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/771489”, but it failed every time,just
like this:
位于 bugs.launchpad.net 的服务器响应时间过长。
* 此站点暂时不可用或者太忙。请稍后重试。
* 如果您无法载入任何页面，请检查您计算机的网络连接。
* 如果您的计算机受到防火墙或代理服务器的保护，请确认 Firefox 被授权访
问网页。
Anyone know how to solve this problem, please tell me, thank you so much.
Best wishes.
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Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
How about this... www.stackertalk.com Since I'm not a developer I'd like to contribute in some form or another :) There is a lot more refinement that needs to go into the site but I'm happy to run this forum. If anyone would like to help moderate/administer please let me know. I like the StackOverflow model for very specific questions as someone mentioned earlier, but MANY prefer the flow and conversation style of forums, especially when coming to learn more about something they haven't arrived at specific questions for. Direct dev involvement isn't absolutely necessary but would certainly be welcome from time to time. You can always subscribe to the feed and watch for topics that peak your interest, etc. Thoughts/concerns/feedback? I had a license I didn't mind using for XenForo which is a nice forum implementation and they should have the ability to mark specific threads as answered/not resolved in the near future. There is the ability to rate individual contributors and answers as well. -- Chad On May 4, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Robert Middleswarth wrote: > I guess I am the target audience for this question. I am a system admin > although I do some programming my primary job it to keep things running > and to build out new hardware. I started looking at using open stack a > month or so ago as VMware isn't open source and I am looking to move off > that platform. I can tell you the process of even testing openstack is > extremely hard why? Because there is a lot of disjointed information > with a lot of blue prints in the wiki but no easy way to tell what is > and isn't yet ready. There is limited install instructions unless you > want to install on your laptop and if you get into trouble doing the > setup the only real option I have it IRC. > > Example: I had a question about openstack compute I asked a question in > the mail list and was told this wasn't to correct place I should use > answers with a link to answers were I spent an hours on lanchpad even > tiring to figure out were to even ask my question. I gave up and ask my > question in IRC. It took 2 or 3 times asking the question before > someone replied. Most people would have ditched this project long ago > but I see great potential out of this project. In the end I moved this > project to not viable at this time waiting for it to mature in to a > usable project. > > Will adding a forum be a magic bullet no. Will it add a place that is > easy to use and find information for non developers bring this project > closer to being usable by people like me likely. Could it turn out to > be a waste of resources that no one ever uses possibly. > > Thanks > Robert > > On 05/04/2011 12:21 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: >> Me too. I can't stand Launchpad's Answers system and I don't >> particularly care for forums in general. The StackOverflow style is an >> easy-to-use alternative. >> >> As soon as I can turn LP Answers for Glance off and move to a >> StackExchange-like system, the better, IMHO. >> >> -jay >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jay Payne wrote: >>> Add me as well >>> >>> --J >>> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: On May 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Everett Toews wrote: > Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least > interested in trying) the StackExchange style. Add me to that list. -- Ed Leafe Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> ___ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> ___ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ope
