Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template
Hi Arnaud, It's really good to know that your team are proposing the vcenter driver with OVA+glance datastore backend support. Thanks for sharing the information. OVA would be a good choice which will benefit users by avoiding only use flat image limited from current driver. But in my opinion, it may not conflict with deploying from template. From an end user perpective, if there are already a set of templates within vcenter, it's good for him to have openstack to deploy VM from it directly. He can touch an empty image in glance only with the metadata pointing to the template name. And boot vm from it. Also he can freely choose to generate a *ova with vmdk stream file and placed in certain datastore and deploy from VM from image location pointing to the datastore. These are two different usage scenarios per my understanding. And to go further, if there are some mechnism, that openstack can sync exsiting VM templates into Glance images. It can make this function more useful. Best Regards Zarric(Zhu Zhu) From: Arnaud Legendre Date: 2013-12-18 01:58 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template Hi Qui Xing, We are planning to address the vCenter template issue by levering the OVF/OVA capabilities. Kiran's implementation is tied to a specific VC and requires to add Glance properties that are not generic. For existing templates, the workflow will be: . generate an *.ova tarball (containing the *.ovf descriptor + *.vmdk stream-optimized) out of the template, . register the *.ova as a Glance image location (using the VMware Glance driver see bp [1]) or simply upload the *.ova to another Glance store, . The VMware driver in Nova will be able to consume the *.ova (either through the location or by downloading the content to the cache): see bp [2]. However, for Icehouse, we are not planning to actually consume the *.ovf descriptor (work scheduled for the J/K release). [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-datastore-storage-backend [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-driver-ova-support If you have questions about [1], please send me an email. For [2], please reach vuil. Thanks, Arnaud From: Shawn Hartsock harts...@acm.org To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:37:34 AM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template IIRC someone who shows up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Meetings is planning on working on that again for Icehouse-3 but there's some new debate on the best way to implement the desired effect. The goal of that change would be to avoid streaming the disk image out of vCenter for the purpose of then streaming the same image back into the same vCenter. That's really inefficient. So there's a Nova level change that could happen (that's the patch you saw) and there's a Glance level change that could happen, and there's a combination of both approaches that could happen. If you want to discuss it informally with the group that's looking into the problem I could probably make sure you end up talking to the right people on #openstack-vmware or if you pop into the weekly team meeting on IRC you could mention it during open discussion time. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Qing Xin Meng mengq...@cn.ibm.com wrote: I saw a commit for Deploying from VMware vCenter template and found it's abandoned. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903 Anyone knows the plan to support the deployment from VMware vCenter template? Thanks! Best Regards ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- # Shawn.Hartsock - twitter: @hartsock - plus.google.com/+ShawnHartsock ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-devk=oIvRg1%2BdGAgOoM1BIlLLqw%3D%3D%0Ar=5wWaXo2oVaivfKLCMyU6Z9UTO8HOfeGCzbGHAT4gZpo%3D%0Am=KCBtvBVSZCslDQrTvSEqBcTEcx%2FSKxtF0ZRIjtTFmSw%3D%0As=f45fbe293564be6a16c90b0125534e5e62f7505fea9f92708b72aa60e5e1dc5f___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template
I don't think these patches are conflicting. I will continue to work on this patch. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903/ Thanks! Best Regards --- Hi Arnaud, It's really good to know that your team are proposing the vcenter driver with OVA+glance datastore backend support. Thanks for sharing the information. OVA would be a good choice which will benefit users by avoiding only use flat image limited from current driver. But in my opinion, it may not conflict with deploying from template. From an end user perpective, if there are already a set of templates within vcenter, it's good for him to have openstack to deploy VM from it directly. He can touch an empty image in glance only with the metadata pointing to the template name. And boot vm from it. Also he can freely choose to generate a *ova with vmdk stream file and placed in certain datastore and deploy from VM from image location pointing to the datastore. These are two different usage scenarios per my understanding. And to go further, if there are some mechnism, that openstack can sync exsiting VM templates into Glance images. It can make this function more useful. Best Regards Zarric(Zhu Zhu) From: Arnaud Legendre Date: 2013-12-18 01:58 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template Hi Qui Xing, We are planning to address the vCenter template issue by levering the OVF/OVA capabilities. Kiran's implementation is tied to a specific VC and requires to add Glance properties that are not generic. For existing templates, the workflow will be: . generate an *.ova tarball (containing the *.ovf descriptor + *.vmdk stream-optimized) out of the template, . register the *.ova as a Glance image location (using the VMware Glance driver see bp [1]) or simply upload the *.ova to another Glance store, . The VMware driver in Nova will be able to consume the *.ova (either through the location or by downloading the content to the cache): see bp [2]. However, for Icehouse, we are not planning to actually consume the *.ovf descriptor (work scheduled for the J/K release). [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-datastore-storage-backend [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-driver-ova-support If you have questions about [1], please send me an email. For [2], please reach vuil. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template
Hi Arnaud, It's really good to know that your team are proposing the vcenter driver with OVA+glance datastore backend support. Thanks for sharing the information. OVA would be a good choice which will benefit users by avoiding only use flat image limited from current driver. But in my opinion, it may not conflict with deploying from template. From an end user perpective, if there are already a set of templates within vcenter, it's good for him to have openstack to deploy VM from it directly. He can touch an empty image in glance only with the metadata pointing to the template name. And boot vm from it. Also he can freely choose to generate a *ova with vmdk stream file and placed in certain datastore and deploy from VM from image location pointing to the datastore. These are two different usage scenarios per my understanding. And to go further, if there are some mechnism, that openstack can sync exsiting VM templates into Glance images. It can make this function more useful. Best Regards Zarric(Zhu Zhu) From: Arnaud Legendre Date: 2013-12-18 01:58 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template Hi Qui Xing, We are planning to address the vCenter template issue by levering the OVF/OVA capabilities. Kiran's implementation is tied to a specific VC and requires to add Glance properties that are not generic. For existing templates, the workflow will be: . generate an *.ova tarball (containing the *.ovf descriptor + *.vmdk stream-optimized) out of the template, . register the *.ova as a Glance image location (using the VMware Glance driver see bp [1]) or simply upload the *.ova to another Glance store, . The VMware driver in Nova will be able to consume the *.ova (either through the location or by downloading the content to the cache): see bp [2]. However, for Icehouse, we are not planning to actually consume the *.ovf descriptor (work scheduled for the J/K release). [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-datastore-storage-backend [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-driver-ova-support If you have questions about [1], please send me an email. For [2], please reach vuil. Thanks, Arnaud From: Shawn Hartsock harts...@acm.org To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:37:34 AM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template IIRC someone who shows up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Meetings is planning on working on that again for Icehouse-3 but there's some new debate on the best way to implement the desired effect. The goal of that change would be to avoid streaming the disk image out of vCenter for the purpose of then streaming the same image back into the same vCenter. That's really inefficient. So there's a Nova level change that could happen (that's the patch you saw) and there's a Glance level change that could happen, and there's a combination of both approaches that could happen. If you want to discuss it informally with the group that's looking into the problem I could probably make sure you end up talking to the right people on #openstack-vmware or if you pop into the weekly team meeting on IRC you could mention it during open discussion time. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Qing Xin Meng mengq...@cn.ibm.com wrote: I saw a commit for Deploying from VMware vCenter template and found it's abandoned. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903 Anyone knows the plan to support the deployment from VMware vCenter template? Thanks! Best Regards ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- # Shawn.Hartsock - twitter: @hartsock - plus.google.com/+ShawnHartsock ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-devk=oIvRg1%2BdGAgOoM1BIlLLqw%3D%3D%0Ar=5wWaXo2oVaivfKLCMyU6Z9UTO8HOfeGCzbGHAT4gZpo%3D%0Am=KCBtvBVSZCslDQrTvSEqBcTEcx%2FSKxtF0ZRIjtTFmSw%3D%0As=f45fbe293564be6a16c90b0125534e5e62f7505fea9f92708b72aa60e5e1dc5f___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template
Hi Qui Xing, We are planning to address the vCenter template issue by levering the OVF/OVA capabilities. Kiran's implementation is tied to a specific VC and requires to add Glance properties that are not generic. For existing templates, the workflow will be: . generate an *.ova tarball (containing the *.ovf descriptor + *.vmdk stream-optimized) out of the template, . register the *.ova as a Glance image location (using the VMware Glance driver see bp [1]) or simply upload the *.ova to another Glance store, . The VMware driver in Nova will be able to consume the *.ova (either through the location or by downloading the content to the cache): see bp [2]. However, for Icehouse, we are not planning to actually consume the *.ovf descriptor (work scheduled for the J/K release). [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-datastore-storage-backend [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-driver-ova-support If you have questions about [1], please send me an email. For [2], please reach vuil. Thanks, Arnaud - Original Message - From: Shawn Hartsock harts...@acm.org To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:37:34 AM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template IIRC someone who shows up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Meetings is planning on working on that again for Icehouse-3 but there's some new debate on the best way to implement the desired effect. The goal of that change would be to avoid streaming the disk image out of vCenter for the purpose of then streaming the same image back into the same vCenter. That's really inefficient. So there's a Nova level change that could happen (that's the patch you saw) and there's a Glance level change that could happen, and there's a combination of both approaches that could happen. If you want to discuss it informally with the group that's looking into the problem I could probably make sure you end up talking to the right people on #openstack-vmware or if you pop into the weekly team meeting on IRC you could mention it during open discussion time. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Qing Xin Meng mengq...@cn.ibm.com wrote: I saw a commit for Deploying from VMware vCenter template and found it's abandoned. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903 Anyone knows the plan to support the deployment from VMware vCenter template? Thanks! Best Regards ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- # Shawn.Hartsock - twitter: @hartsock - plus.google.com/+ShawnHartsock ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-devk=oIvRg1%2BdGAgOoM1BIlLLqw%3D%3D%0Ar=5wWaXo2oVaivfKLCMyU6Z9UTO8HOfeGCzbGHAT4gZpo%3D%0Am=KCBtvBVSZCslDQrTvSEqBcTEcx%2FSKxtF0ZRIjtTFmSw%3D%0As=f45fbe293564be6a16c90b0125534e5e62f7505fea9f92708b72aa60e5e1dc5f ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template
I saw a commit for Deploying from VMware vCenter template and found it's abandoned. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903 Anyone knows the plan to support the deployment from VMware vCenter template? Thanks! Best Regards___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][VMware] Deploy from vCenter template
IIRC someone who shows up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Meetings is planning on working on that again for Icehouse-3 but there's some new debate on the best way to implement the desired effect. The goal of that change would be to avoid streaming the disk image out of vCenter for the purpose of then streaming the same image back into the same vCenter. That's really inefficient. So there's a Nova level change that could happen (that's the patch you saw) and there's a Glance level change that could happen, and there's a combination of both approaches that could happen. If you want to discuss it informally with the group that's looking into the problem I could probably make sure you end up talking to the right people on #openstack-vmware or if you pop into the weekly team meeting on IRC you could mention it during open discussion time. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Qing Xin Meng mengq...@cn.ibm.com wrote: I saw a commit for Deploying from VMware vCenter template and found it's abandoned. *https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903*https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903 Anyone knows the plan to support the deployment from VMware vCenter template? Thanks! Best Regards ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- # Shawn.Hartsock - twitter: @hartsock - plus.google.com/+ShawnHartsock ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
