Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

Dims,

This was just a fella in the kolla community experimenting without attempting 
to cause harm.  IOW he didn’t know exactly what he was doing which is helpful 
when messing with the meeting bots (.

No harm done anyway, so no need to take any corrective action in implementation.

Cheers
-steve

On 10/11/17, 11:15 AM, "Davanum Srinivas"  wrote:

Swapnil,

Dunno if it was malicious or someone just trying to understand how things 
work.

Worth reaching out to jinke [1]

[1] 
http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/stackalytics/commit/?id=e2593c113d64868b44f27a9fba15a564855236c6

Thanks,
Dims

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Swapnil Kulkarni  
wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Michał Jastrzębski  
wrote:
>> I haven't seen "malicious" meeting starters yet, let's hope that won't
>> happen:) On the other hand, ad-hoc chair change can, and did, happen,
>> so I agree with fungi - I don't think we need to put restrictions on
>> that.
>>
>> On 11 October 2017 at 09:11, Jeremy Stanley  wrote:
>>> On 2017-10-11 21:35:26 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
>>> [...]
 The problem here is if we know who are most likely to chair the
 meeting e.g. [1] we can allow them to start the meeting.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I'm pretty certain I wouldn't want to have to propose a patch to
>>> update that every time I needed someone to chair a meeting in my
>>> absence. This doesn't seem like a common enough issue to warrant the
>>> added complexity and red tape of access controls on our meeting
>>> automation.
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Stanley
>>>
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> Michal,
>
> I just gave one instance of malicious meeting attempt [1] happened
> today and it happened to be kolla meeting so I noticed its not correct
> timing for the same. I would put it as permission-ed access rather
> than restriction, because as much as we want to keep it open we need
> to maintain the genuineness of meeting. I would not want to stumble
> into a junk log file while I am reading it later looking for
> something.
>
>
> [1] 
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-11-10.31.log.html
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Davanum Srinivas]

Swapnil,

Dunno if it was malicious or someone just trying to understand how things work.

Worth reaching out to jinke [1]

[1] 
http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/stackalytics/commit/?id=e2593c113d64868b44f27a9fba15a564855236c6

Thanks,
Dims

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Swapnil Kulkarni  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Michał Jastrzębski  wrote:
>> I haven't seen "malicious" meeting starters yet, let's hope that won't
>> happen:) On the other hand, ad-hoc chair change can, and did, happen,
>> so I agree with fungi - I don't think we need to put restrictions on
>> that.
>>
>> On 11 October 2017 at 09:11, Jeremy Stanley  wrote:
>>> On 2017-10-11 21:35:26 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
>>> [...]
 The problem here is if we know who are most likely to chair the
 meeting e.g. [1] we can allow them to start the meeting.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I'm pretty certain I wouldn't want to have to propose a patch to
>>> update that every time I needed someone to chair a meeting in my
>>> absence. This doesn't seem like a common enough issue to warrant the
>>> added complexity and red tape of access controls on our meeting
>>> automation.
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Stanley
>>>
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> Michal,
>
> I just gave one instance of malicious meeting attempt [1] happened
> today and it happened to be kolla meeting so I noticed its not correct
> timing for the same. I would put it as permission-ed access rather
> than restriction, because as much as we want to keep it open we need
> to maintain the genuineness of meeting. I would not want to stumble
> into a junk log file while I am reading it later looking for
> something.
>
>
> [1] 
> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-11-10.31.log.html
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Swapnil Kulkarni]

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Michał Jastrzębski  wrote:
> I haven't seen "malicious" meeting starters yet, let's hope that won't
> happen:) On the other hand, ad-hoc chair change can, and did, happen,
> so I agree with fungi - I don't think we need to put restrictions on
> that.
>
> On 11 October 2017 at 09:11, Jeremy Stanley  wrote:
>> On 2017-10-11 21:35:26 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
>> [...]
>>> The problem here is if we know who are most likely to chair the
>>> meeting e.g. [1] we can allow them to start the meeting.
>> [...]
>>
>> I'm pretty certain I wouldn't want to have to propose a patch to
>> update that every time I needed someone to chair a meeting in my
>> absence. This doesn't seem like a common enough issue to warrant the
>> added complexity and red tape of access controls on our meeting
>> automation.
>> --
>> Jeremy Stanley
>>
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Michal,

I just gave one instance of malicious meeting attempt [1] happened
today and it happened to be kolla meeting so I noticed its not correct
timing for the same. I would put it as permission-ed access rather
than restriction, because as much as we want to keep it open we need
to maintain the genuineness of meeting. I would not want to stumble
into a junk log file while I am reading it later looking for
something.


[1] 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Michał Jastrzębski]

I haven't seen "malicious" meeting starters yet, let's hope that won't
happen:) On the other hand, ad-hoc chair change can, and did, happen,
so I agree with fungi - I don't think we need to put restrictions on
that.

On 11 October 2017 at 09:11, Jeremy Stanley  wrote:
> On 2017-10-11 21:35:26 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
> [...]
>> The problem here is if we know who are most likely to chair the
>> meeting e.g. [1] we can allow them to start the meeting.
> [...]
>
> I'm pretty certain I wouldn't want to have to propose a patch to
> update that every time I needed someone to chair a meeting in my
> absence. This doesn't seem like a common enough issue to warrant the
> added complexity and red tape of access controls on our meeting
> automation.
> --
> Jeremy Stanley
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Jeremy Stanley]

On 2017-10-11 21:35:26 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
[...]
> The problem here is if we know who are most likely to chair the
> meeting e.g. [1] we can allow them to start the meeting.
[...]

I'm pretty certain I wouldn't want to have to propose a patch to
update that every time I needed someone to chair a meeting in my
absence. This doesn't seem like a common enough issue to warrant the
added complexity and red tape of access controls on our meeting
automation.
-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Swapnil Kulkarni]

Hi Jeremy, Amrith,

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Amrith Kumar  wrote:
> I agree with Jeremy that we shouldn't attempt to implement technical
> solutions for non-technical problems. But to that end, I'd be curious
> to know what the problem was with this. In my experience it has been
> an asset to have the meeting start on time even if the regular chair
> is for some reason delayed.
>

I agree this is a non-technical problem  and if someone else who can
start the meeting in the absence of the chair is always helpful. The
problem here is if we know who are most likely to chair the meeting
e.g. [1] we can allow them to start the meeting.


[1] 
https://github.com/openstack-infra/irc-meetings/blob/master/meetings/requirements-team.yaml#L10

> I've benefited from that in Trove, and on at least one occasion I've
> started the oslo meeting and the regular chair came in and took over a
> while later.
>
> The short log that coolsvap provided doesn't exhibit a problem, as
> best as I can tell; people without bouncers sometimes do lose their
> internet connection :(

This is all the log there is. I don't even know if the person who
started the meeting is contributor to kolla or openstack for that
matter. My only query is people who know about official meetings will
not do it, but can we restrict those who dont? Otherwise there is no
meaning to the official meetings if anyone can start them anytime.

>
> -amrith
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Jeremy Stanley  wrote:
>> On 2017-10-11 17:51:59 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) wrote:
>>> I was attending the weekly requirements meeting when I noticed
>>> someone started the kolla meeting [1] on openstack-meeting-4
>>> channel. I thought we had the restrictions on the chairs, but
>>> apparently there's not. Can we think about having one such
>>> restriction?
>>
>> We don't implement technical solutions to social problems of this
>> nature. If you have an issue with the person who started the kolla
>> meeting in your absence, please take it up with them.
>> --
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Amrith Kumar]

I agree with Jeremy that we shouldn't attempt to implement technical
solutions for non-technical problems. But to that end, I'd be curious
to know what the problem was with this. In my experience it has been
an asset to have the meeting start on time even if the regular chair
is for some reason delayed.

I've benefited from that in Trove, and on at least one occasion I've
started the oslo meeting and the regular chair came in and took over a
while later.

The short log that coolsvap provided doesn't exhibit a problem, as
best as I can tell; people without bouncers sometimes do lose their
internet connection :(

-amrith



On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Jeremy Stanley  wrote:
> On 2017-10-11 17:51:59 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) wrote:
>> I was attending the weekly requirements meeting when I noticed
>> someone started the kolla meeting [1] on openstack-meeting-4
>> channel. I thought we had the restrictions on the chairs, but
>> apparently there's not. Can we think about having one such
>> restriction?
>
> We don't implement technical solutions to social problems of this
> nature. If you have an issue with the person who started the kolla
> meeting in your absence, please take it up with them.
> --
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [kolla] [PTL] who can start the official meeting?

[Jeremy Stanley]

On 2017-10-11 17:51:59 +0530 (+0530), Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) wrote:
> I was attending the weekly requirements meeting when I noticed
> someone started the kolla meeting [1] on openstack-meeting-4
> channel. I thought we had the restrictions on the chairs, but
> apparently there's not. Can we think about having one such
> restriction?

We don't implement technical solutions to social problems of this
nature. If you have an issue with the person who started the kolla
meeting in your absence, please take it up with them.
-- 
Jeremy Stanley


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