Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
Blair, I wanted to get back to you with what we ended up with in Kolla Newton, as well as our z streams of Liberty and Mitaka. We decided not to create a default user as a result of this thread. We did decide to create a member role to match the defaults shipped in horizon's configuration files. Hope the information is useful. Thanks for the tight feedback loop :) Regards -steve On 7/31/16, 6:13 PM, "Blair Bethwaite" wrote: >Sounds like a recipe for confusion? > >On 1 August 2016 at 10:23, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: >> >> >> On 7/31/16, 7:13 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: >> >>>On 07/29/2016 11:35 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: Hey folks, In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't our reference: Operators are. Which of those do operators prefer (if either). Another question was whether we should create a default user named "user" and use this in place of member. >>> >>>"member" is a role, not a user. The default unprivileged user is named >>>"demo" and has the "member" role in a project called "demo". >> >> Yup, thanks for the correction. >> >>> >>>Are you asking what the name of the unprivileged *role* should be by >>>default in Kolla installations? Or are you asking what, if any, a >>>default unprivileged *user* should be called? >> >> The idea of adding a user called "user" with a role called "user" was >> proposed. Curious if operators care to want that. >> >> Regards >> -steve >> >>> >>>Best, >>>-jay >>> >>>___ >>>OpenStack-operators mailing list >>>OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org >>>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators >> >> >> ___ >> OpenStack-operators mailing list >> OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators > > > >-- >Cheers, >~Blairo ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
On 07/31/2016 09:30 PM, Melvin Hillsman wrote: I think even more so would be what is the purpose/benefit to an operator? 99.99% of the time an operator will have an idea of resources they want to create already or plans to do so. Personally, unless pushing to demo OpenStack, I would prefer totally untouched install. +1 for not creating a default user. You will need a default role for unprivileged users, however. "member" is fine in that regard I think. Best, -jay On Jul 31, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Blair Bethwaite wrote: Sounds like a recipe for confusion? On 1 August 2016 at 10:23, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: On 7/31/16, 7:13 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: On 07/29/2016 11:35 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: Hey folks, In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't our reference: Operators are. Which of those do operators prefer (if either). Another question was whether we should create a default user named "user" and use this in place of member. "member" is a role, not a user. The default unprivileged user is named "demo" and has the "member" role in a project called "demo". Yup, thanks for the correction. Are you asking what the name of the unprivileged *role* should be by default in Kolla installations? Or are you asking what, if any, a default unprivileged *user* should be called? The idea of adding a user called "user" with a role called "user" was proposed. Curious if operators care to want that. Regards -steve Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators -- Cheers, ~Blairo ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
I think even more so would be what is the purpose/benefit to an operator? 99.99% of the time an operator will have an idea of resources they want to create already or plans to do so. Personally, unless pushing to demo OpenStack, I would prefer totally untouched install. > On Jul 31, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Blair Bethwaite > wrote: > > Sounds like a recipe for confusion? > >> On 1 August 2016 at 10:23, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: >> >> >>> On 7/31/16, 7:13 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: >>> On 07/29/2016 11:35 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: Hey folks, In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't our reference: Operators are. Which of those do operators prefer (if either). Another question was whether we should create a default user named "user" and use this in place of member. >>> >>> "member" is a role, not a user. The default unprivileged user is named >>> "demo" and has the "member" role in a project called "demo". >> >> Yup, thanks for the correction. >> >>> >>> Are you asking what the name of the unprivileged *role* should be by >>> default in Kolla installations? Or are you asking what, if any, a >>> default unprivileged *user* should be called? >> >> The idea of adding a user called "user" with a role called "user" was >> proposed. Curious if operators care to want that. >> >> Regards >> -steve >> >>> >>> Best, >>> -jay >>> >>> ___ >>> OpenStack-operators mailing list >>> OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators >> >> >> ___ >> OpenStack-operators mailing list >> OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators > > > > -- > Cheers, > ~Blairo > > ___ > OpenStack-operators mailing list > OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
Sounds like a recipe for confusion? On 1 August 2016 at 10:23, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > > > On 7/31/16, 7:13 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: > >>On 07/29/2016 11:35 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: >>> Hey folks, >>> >>> In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because >>> it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this >>> problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack >>> itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't >>> our reference: Operators are. >>> >>> Which of those do operators prefer (if either). >>> >>> Another question was whether we should create a default user named >>> "user" and use this in place of member. >> >>"member" is a role, not a user. The default unprivileged user is named >>"demo" and has the "member" role in a project called "demo". > > Yup, thanks for the correction. > >> >>Are you asking what the name of the unprivileged *role* should be by >>default in Kolla installations? Or are you asking what, if any, a >>default unprivileged *user* should be called? > > The idea of adding a user called "user" with a role called "user" was > proposed. Curious if operators care to want that. > > Regards > -steve > >> >>Best, >>-jay >> >>___ >>OpenStack-operators mailing list >>OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org >>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators > > > ___ > OpenStack-operators mailing list > OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators -- Cheers, ~Blairo ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
On 7/31/16, 7:13 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: >On 07/29/2016 11:35 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because >> it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this >> problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack >> itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't >> our reference: Operators are. >> >> Which of those do operators prefer (if either). >> >> Another question was whether we should create a default user named >> "user" and use this in place of member. > >"member" is a role, not a user. The default unprivileged user is named >"demo" and has the "member" role in a project called "demo". Yup, thanks for the correction. > >Are you asking what the name of the unprivileged *role* should be by >default in Kolla installations? Or are you asking what, if any, a >default unprivileged *user* should be called? The idea of adding a user called "user" with a role called "user" was proposed. Curious if operators care to want that. Regards -steve > >Best, >-jay > >___ >OpenStack-operators mailing list >OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org >http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
On 07/29/2016 11:35 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: Hey folks, In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't our reference: Operators are. Which of those do operators prefer (if either). Another question was whether we should create a default user named "user" and use this in place of member. "member" is a role, not a user. The default unprivileged user is named "demo" and has the "member" role in a project called "demo". Are you asking what the name of the unprivileged *role* should be by default in Kolla installations? Or are you asking what, if any, a default unprivileged *user* should be called? Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
+1 From: Melvin Hillsman Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:22:02 PM To: Steven Dake (stdake); openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators Personally, if OpenStack default is to have a member or _member_ as an operator I would prefer there be a user according to the default. Kind regards, -- Melvin Hillsman Ops Technical Lead OpenStack Innovation Center mrhills...@gmail.com phone: (210) 312-1267 mobile: (210) 413-1659 Learner | Ideation | Belief | Responsibility | Command http://osic.org From: "Steven Dake (stdake)" Date: Friday, July 29, 2016 at 10:35 PM To: "openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org>" Subject: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators Hey folks, In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't our reference: Operators are. Which of those do operators prefer (if either). Another question was whether we should create a default user named "user" and use this in place of member. Thoughts welcome. Regards -steve ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org<mailto:OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
Personally, if OpenStack default is to have a member or _member_ as an operator I would prefer there be a user according to the default. Kind regards, -- Melvin Hillsman Ops Technical Lead OpenStack Innovation Center mrhills...@gmail.com phone: (210) 312-1267 mobile: (210) 413-1659 Learner | Ideation | Belief | Responsibility | Command http://osic.org From: "Steven Dake (stdake)" Date: Friday, July 29, 2016 at 10:35 PM To: "openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org" Subject: [Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators Hey folks, In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't our reference: Operators are. Which of those do operators prefer (if either). Another question was whether we should create a default user named "user" and use this in place of member. Thoughts welcome. Regards -steve ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
[Openstack-operators] [kolla] question of default users for operators
Hey folks, In Kolla we have a significant bug in that Horizon can't be used because it requires a member user. We have a few approaches to fixing this problem in mind, but want to understand what Operators want. Devstack itself has switched between member and _member_ although Devstack isn't our reference: Operators are. Which of those do operators prefer (if either). Another question was whether we should create a default user named "user" and use this in place of member. Thoughts welcome. Regards -steve ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
