Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Results of PAO Ops Meeting

2015-09-14 Thread Gareth 
There's rally meeting tonight. I would like to ask him :) I guess
Boris like this very much

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Tom Fifield  wrote:
> On 14/09/15 13:12, Gareth wrote:
>>
>> BTW, does Boris reply the "works in rally" tag?
>
>
> Noone's asked yet :) Anyone feel like asking the Rally team?
>
>
>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Tom Fifield  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A quick update from our tags team meeting in Palo Alto last month.
>>>
>>> 1) Containerizable - new tag
>>>
>>> David Medberry suggested and then submitted a patch to start discussion
>>> around a tag for whether or not a service is containerizable  - which is
>>> hard-won knowledge that was deemed nice to have during the containers
>>> session of the meetup.
>>>
>>> Read and comment on the review here:
>>> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214801/
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) Scalable - not possible to tag
>>>
>>> Using the large number of scaling problems with Ceilometer as an example,
>>> in
>>> addition to many other ideas, we did a deep dive into how a tag related
>>> to
>>> scalability would be implemented.
>>>
>>> The end conclusion was that whether a service scales or not is extremely
>>> complex information and has an associated decision making process that
>>> means
>>> it isn't possible to condense into a tag or even a few tags. The only
>>> real
>>> way to do this is to provide information about example deployments (eg
>>> rax,
>>> cern)
>>>
>>> 3) "works in rally" - new tag suggestion
>>>
>>> There was general interest in asking the Rally team to consider making a
>>> "works in rally" tag, since the rally tests were deemed 'good'.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There were a number of other suggestions, including some items to propose
>>> to
>>> the software projects for consideration. All that and more can be found
>>> at
>>> the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-tags
>>>
>>> Your comments are welcome, and as always, patches visible and submitted
>>> to:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/ops-tags-team,n,z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>



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Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Results of PAO Ops Meeting

2015-09-14 Thread Thierry Carrez 
Tom Fifield wrote:
> A quick update from our tags team meeting in Palo Alto last month.
> [...]
> 1) Containerizable - new tag 

Great idea, and having downstream assess that is certainly the best
approach.

> [...]
> 3) "works in rally" - new tag suggestion
> 
> There was general interest in asking the Rally team to consider making a
> "works in rally" tag, since the rally tests were deemed 'good'.

This one is part of a larger family of tags describing cross-project
support (like "has an horizon plugin", or "has heat teamplates") that we
started to work on on the upstream side as well. Those would be simple
yes/no binary tags, and maintained by the related project team directly.

Do you expect the "works in rally" answer to be more complex than a
binary yes/no ? Do you think the tag should be maintained by operators
rather than directly by the Rally project team ? If not, it's probably
fine to get that one defined as other upstream-maintained tags in the
same family.

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Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Results of PAO Ops Meeting

2015-09-14 Thread Tom Fifield 

On 14/09/15 16:35, Thierry Carrez wrote:

Tom Fifield wrote:

3) "works in rally" - new tag suggestion

There was general interest in asking the Rally team to consider making a
"works in rally" tag, since the rally tests were deemed 'good'.


This one is part of a larger family of tags describing cross-project
support (like "has an horizon plugin", or "has heat teamplates") that we
started to work on on the upstream side as well. Those would be simple
yes/no binary tags, and maintained by the related project team directly.

Do you expect the "works in rally" answer to be more complex than a
binary yes/no ? Do you think the tag should be maintained by operators
rather than directly by the Rally project team ? If not, it's probably
fine to get that one defined as other upstream-maintained tags in the
same family.


Up to the rally team :) The ops present were just interested in seeing 
it happen!



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[Openstack-operators] [tags] Results of PAO Ops Meeting

2015-09-13 Thread Tom Fifield 

Hi all,

A quick update from our tags team meeting in Palo Alto last month.

1) Containerizable - new tag

David Medberry suggested and then submitted a patch to start discussion 
around a tag for whether or not a service is containerizable  - which is 
hard-won knowledge that was deemed nice to have during the containers 
session of the meetup.


Read and comment on the review here: 
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214801/



2) Scalable - not possible to tag

Using the large number of scaling problems with Ceilometer as an 
example, in addition to many other ideas, we did a deep dive into how a 
tag related to scalability would be implemented.


The end conclusion was that whether a service scales or not is extremely 
complex information and has an associated decision making process that 
means it isn't possible to condense into a tag or even a few tags. The 
only real way to do this is to provide information about example 
deployments (eg rax, cern)


3) "works in rally" - new tag suggestion

There was general interest in asking the Rally team to consider making a 
"works in rally" tag, since the rally tests were deemed 'good'.




There were a number of other suggestions, including some items to 
propose to the software projects for consideration. All that and more 
can be found at the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-tags


Your comments are welcome, and as always, patches visible and submitted to:

https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/ops-tags-team,n,z



Regards,


Tom

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Re: [Openstack-operators] [tags] Results of PAO Ops Meeting

2015-09-13 Thread Gareth 
BTW, does Boris reply the "works in rally" tag?

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Tom Fifield  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A quick update from our tags team meeting in Palo Alto last month.
>
> 1) Containerizable - new tag
>
> David Medberry suggested and then submitted a patch to start discussion
> around a tag for whether or not a service is containerizable  - which is
> hard-won knowledge that was deemed nice to have during the containers
> session of the meetup.
>
> Read and comment on the review here:
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214801/
>
>
> 2) Scalable - not possible to tag
>
> Using the large number of scaling problems with Ceilometer as an example, in
> addition to many other ideas, we did a deep dive into how a tag related to
> scalability would be implemented.
>
> The end conclusion was that whether a service scales or not is extremely
> complex information and has an associated decision making process that means
> it isn't possible to condense into a tag or even a few tags. The only real
> way to do this is to provide information about example deployments (eg rax,
> cern)
>
> 3) "works in rally" - new tag suggestion
>
> There was general interest in asking the Rally team to consider making a
> "works in rally" tag, since the rally tests were deemed 'good'.
>
>
>
> There were a number of other suggestions, including some items to propose to
> the software projects for consideration. All that and more can be found at
> the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-tags
>
> Your comments are welcome, and as always, patches visible and submitted to:
>
> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/ops-tags-team,n,z
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Tom
>
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